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RIP SURGE - THANK YOU ZOS
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Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »Welcome to the Dragon Blood Nerf. Thanks ZOS
you're so kind.
We'll do our best not to notice your major mending, insane and highest overall solo target PVE dps, powerful physical CP scaling ultimate (that weaves in with other dmg oh so nicely), awesome regen tools, nor the best class DoTs around.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points8 -
genjutsu_kami✭✭✭I joined on to the forums because i didn't want to be that person that always blast the game but do nothing about it... so i got on the forums and took a positive approach.
and this is what you guys do.
ZOS
@Wrobel i tried to join this community because i didn't want to *** about this game and do nothing about it.... but now i genuinely beleive you guys and girls don't care about our suggestions.
sad day for me as a player.2 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Wow keeps on getting better all the time what next cool down on force pulse.....
Don't give them any ideas, lol. They take all the most stupid ideas and ignore all the good ones. xDR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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RoyJade✭✭✭✭✭
✭Moglijuana wrote: »Welcome to the Dragon Blood Nerf. Thanks ZOS you're so kind.
I agree, but I still want the other utilities and damage skill DK (both stamina and magicka) have. Stamsorc have nothing left except a 10% speed boost in their arsenal. DK got some other tools, but stamsorc...0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq54jb_5WCI Good bye surge, it was nice knowing you. R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »Welcome to the Dragon Blood Nerf. Thanks ZOS you're so kind.
We'll do our best not to notice your major mending, insane and highest overall solo target PVE dps, powerful physical CP scaling ultimate (that weaves in with other dmg oh so nicely), awesome regen tools, nor the best class DoTs around.
LOL. Because I do SO much PvE LMAO. Oh! Can't forget to use a Physical Ultimate on a MAG DK LOLOLOLOLOL +1
Executes> DOTS in PvP
Pretty sure this thread is PvP related considering, you know, Battle Spirit?Edited by Moglijuana on May 16, 2016 5:06PM0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »Moglijuana wrote: »Welcome to the Dragon Blood Nerf. Thanks ZOS you're so kind.
We'll do our best not to notice your major mending, insane and highest overall solo target PVE dps, powerful physical CP scaling ultimate (that weaves in with other dmg oh so nicely), awesome regen tools, nor the best class DoTs around.
LOL. Because I do SO much PvE LMAO. Oh! Can't forget to use a Physical Ultimate on a MAG DK LOLOLOLOLOL +1
Executes> DOTS in PvP
Pretty sure this thread is PvP related considering, you know, Battle Spirit?
Eh, PvPers butt in on PvE threads all the time, can't blame PvErs to do it back a bit
R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD1 -
Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭To be honest this is expectable: only mechanics with double effects halfly not affected by Battle Spirit to avoid double reduction. Mechanics without double effects should be affected by Battle Spirit otherwise it will make skills in pvp unequal, like: why Surge not affected by BS but Dragonblood affected..
Welcome to the same boat as Dragonblood, Sun Shield and Co.: skills that work in PvE but not work in PvP. Maybe be buff to healing required but being affected by BS is absolutley legit now.0 -
Ryuho✭✭✭✭To be honest this is expectable: only mechanics with double effects halfly not affected by Battle Spirit to avoid double reduction. Mechanics without double effects should be affected by Battle Spirit otherwise it will make skills in pvp unequal, like: why Surge not affected by BS but Dragonblood affected..
Welcome to the same boat as Dragonblood, Sun Shield and Co.: skills that work in PvE but not work in PvP. Maybe be buff to healing required but being affected by BS is absolutley legit now.
So how about burning embers @CinbriThe Farron family team (EU)
sorcerer - Rubeus Farron AR31
templar - Selene Farron AR27
nightblade - Ryuho Farron AR25
stamplar - Nura Farron AR10
stamsorcerer - Kitty Farron AR14 (adopted member)
DK - Ryu Farron AR17
RETIRED
CU - next mmo2 -
Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
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What's up with them?To be honest this is expectable: only mechanics with double effects halfly not affected by Battle Spirit to avoid double reduction. Mechanics without double effects should be affected by Battle Spirit otherwise it will make skills in pvp unequal, like: why Surge not affected by BS but Dragonblood affected..
Welcome to the same boat as Dragonblood, Sun Shield and Co.: skills that work in PvE but not work in PvP. Maybe be buff to healing required but being affected by BS is absolutley legit now.
So how about burning embers @Cinbri
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Ryuho✭✭✭✭
What's up with them?To be honest this is expectable: only mechanics with double effects halfly not affected by Battle Spirit to avoid double reduction. Mechanics without double effects should be affected by Battle Spirit otherwise it will make skills in pvp unequal, like: why Surge not affected by BS but Dragonblood affected..
Welcome to the same boat as Dragonblood, Sun Shield and Co.: skills that work in PvE but not work in PvP. Maybe be buff to healing required but being affected by BS is absolutley legit now.
So how about burning embers @Cinbri
They are not affected by battle spirit. Heal for tons of HP - 75% of dmg inflicted turned into HP. And ofc its good, mDK need good heal, they need even better, but why nerfing surge to the grounds, can't get it seriously..Edited by Ryuho on May 16, 2016 5:29PMThe Farron family team (EU)
sorcerer - Rubeus Farron AR31
templar - Selene Farron AR27
nightblade - Ryuho Farron AR25
stamplar - Nura Farron AR10
stamsorcerer - Kitty Farron AR14 (adopted member)
DK - Ryu Farron AR17
RETIRED
CU - next mmo0 -
STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Thanks for the change to surge using either baseline.
Glad to see that.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Thanks for the change to surge using either baseline.
Glad to see that.
lol, you keep saying it's good that they're basically murdering sorcs, next patch they're completely dead, no use anywhere at all. Thanks for being part in murdering an entire class. What's next? Deleting the class too????Edited by cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO on May 16, 2016 5:38PMR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
Ryuho✭✭✭✭Thanks for the change to surge using either baseline.
Glad to see that.
Someone needs pair of glasses..The Farron family team (EU)
sorcerer - Rubeus Farron AR31
templar - Selene Farron AR27
nightblade - Ryuho Farron AR25
stamplar - Nura Farron AR10
stamsorcerer - Kitty Farron AR14 (adopted member)
DK - Ryu Farron AR17
RETIRED
CU - next mmo1 -
Skitttles✭✭✭✭I've already taken surge off my bar to get used to playing with out it.Skittles | DC Stem Sok and sumtimes Nertbled2 -
Tyrannitar✭✭✭PainfulFAFA wrote: »Im not too upset about crit surge. On live, my vigor ticks for 2k crit heals (on my weak bar)and i truly think it was overperforming before... i mean cmon 5k crit heals per sec? lol
Im upset that they STILL have not done anything about Crystal Blast, Dark Exchange, Unreliable Pets (especially in lag), and Passives such as Rebate (return 1k mag when a pet dies lolol). How can they possibly sit there and defend these abilities with a straight face?
Dude. I can pull more than 5k hps on live with the current surge. Idk if you play stam sorc or not honestly.... and if you don't stop giving feedback on this skill.My Cat Two Chainz (Main) - AD Stam Sorc
Post Malone - AD Mag Blade
Ba'al Sahk- AD Stam DK
Vampy Cat- AD Perma-WW Templar
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PainfulFAFA✭✭✭✭✭
✭Tyrannitar wrote: »PainfulFAFA wrote: »Im not too upset about crit surge. On live, my vigor ticks for 2k crit heals (on my weak bar)and i truly think it was overperforming before... i mean cmon 5k crit heals per sec? lol
Im upset that they STILL have not done anything about Crystal Blast, Dark Exchange, Unreliable Pets (especially in lag), and Passives such as Rebate (return 1k mag when a pet dies lolol). How can they possibly sit there and defend these abilities with a straight face?
Dude. I can pull more than 5k hps on live with the current surge. Idk if you play stam sorc or not honestly.... and if you don't stop giving feedback on this skill.
Are you talking Pvp or Pve?
I seriously doubt your surge is outhealing your vigor in Pvp.0 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭PainfulFAFA wrote: »Tyrannitar wrote: »PainfulFAFA wrote: »Im not too upset about crit surge. On live, my vigor ticks for 2k crit heals (on my weak bar)and i truly think it was overperforming before... i mean cmon 5k crit heals per sec? lol
Im upset that they STILL have not done anything about Crystal Blast, Dark Exchange, Unreliable Pets (especially in lag), and Passives such as Rebate (return 1k mag when a pet dies lolol). How can they possibly sit there and defend these abilities with a straight face?
Dude. I can pull more than 5k hps on live with the current surge. Idk if you play stam sorc or not honestly.... and if you don't stop giving feedback on this skill.
Are you talking Pvp or Pve?
I seriously doubt your surge is outhealing your vigor in Pvp.
Mine is by over a couple of thousand HPS.0 -
gamerguy757✭✭✭✭✭yeah this is ridiculous. This is exactly why I changed my build up. Pre-DB, I was running a crit build on my sorc. But now, I rerolled and ran some more math and now my new build is dangerous. High recovery, close to 50k magicka, powerful shields that the 6s nerf is not even a big deal! I think that with this new nerf, people will shy away from the critical builds.
4x Elemental Succession (armor pieces)
2x Transmutation (1 ring, 1 armor)
2x Magnus (2 armor)
3x Willpower (1 ring, 1 necklace, Destructo/Resto staff)
Divines traits, Mage/Atronach mundus
Destruction Staff with Nirnhoned/Precise w/ a Shock Enchant
Restoration Staff with Infused w/ Disease Enchant
Bar 1:
Degeneration
Force Pulse
Crystal Frags
Velocious Curse
Hardened Ward
ENERGY OVERLOAD
Bar 2:
Streak
Daedric Minefield
Healing Ward
Combat Prayer
Dampen Magic
ENERGY OVERLOAD
Bar 3:
Streak
Radiant Magelight
Crystal Frags
Power Surge
Hardened Ward
Now you could run this is well:
5x Seducer (4 armor, 1 weapon)
1x Molag Kena (helm)
2x Transmutation (2 armor)
3x Willpower (3 jewelry)
But this run with mage.
I'm currently working with TwiceBorn with Mage/Atronach, but I can only get an 10k boost to max magic. Need to run more math
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Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
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For exchange of Surge "fix", Empowered Ward shield and Minor Intellect duration increased by 2 seconds, 4 sec in total.
What's up with them?To be honest this is expectable: only mechanics with double effects halfly not affected by Battle Spirit to avoid double reduction. Mechanics without double effects should be affected by Battle Spirit otherwise it will make skills in pvp unequal, like: why Surge not affected by BS but Dragonblood affected..
Welcome to the same boat as Dragonblood, Sun Shield and Co.: skills that work in PvE but not work in PvP. Maybe be buff to healing required but being affected by BS is absolutley legit now.
So how about burning embers @Cinbri
They are not affected by battle spirit. Heal for tons of HP - 75% of dmg inflicted turned into HP. And ofc its good, mDK need good heal, they need even better, but why nerfing surge to the grounds, can't get it seriously..
I am not sorc, so i don't know if such exchange is worth, but reading sorcs comments looks like it's not. But at least ZOS didn't took something away without compensation - it is huge fortune from templar's pov.
One again - welcome to the club. We also need to make one good skill of nbs to make useless for equlity. Edited by Cinbri on May 16, 2016 6:27PM0 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭
For exchange of Surge "fix", Empowered Ward shield and Minor Intellect duration increased by 2 seconds, 4 sec in total.
What's up with them?To be honest this is expectable: only mechanics with double effects halfly not affected by Battle Spirit to avoid double reduction. Mechanics without double effects should be affected by Battle Spirit otherwise it will make skills in pvp unequal, like: why Surge not affected by BS but Dragonblood affected..
Welcome to the same boat as Dragonblood, Sun Shield and Co.: skills that work in PvE but not work in PvP. Maybe be buff to healing required but being affected by BS is absolutley legit now.
So how about burning embers @Cinbri
They are not affected by battle spirit. Heal for tons of HP - 75% of dmg inflicted turned into HP. And ofc its good, mDK need good heal, they need even better, but why nerfing surge to the grounds, can't get it seriously..
I am not sorc, so i don't know if such exchange is worth, but reading sorcs comments looks like it's not. But at least ZOS didn't took something away without compensation - it is huge fortune from templar's pov.
One again - welcome to the club. We also need to make one good skill of nbs to make useless for equlity.
What survivability did Stam Sorcs gain in exchange for this Surge nerf?1 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
For exchange of Surge "fix", Empowered Ward shield and Minor Intellect duration increased by 2 seconds, 4 sec in total.
What's up with them?To be honest this is expectable: only mechanics with double effects halfly not affected by Battle Spirit to avoid double reduction. Mechanics without double effects should be affected by Battle Spirit otherwise it will make skills in pvp unequal, like: why Surge not affected by BS but Dragonblood affected..
Welcome to the same boat as Dragonblood, Sun Shield and Co.: skills that work in PvE but not work in PvP. Maybe be buff to healing required but being affected by BS is absolutley legit now.
So how about burning embers @Cinbri
They are not affected by battle spirit. Heal for tons of HP - 75% of dmg inflicted turned into HP. And ofc its good, mDK need good heal, they need even better, but why nerfing surge to the grounds, can't get it seriously..
I am not sorc, so i don't know if such exchange is worth, but reading sorcs comments looks like it's not. But at least ZOS didn't took something away without compensation - it is huge fortune from templar's pov.
One again - welcome to the club. We also need to make one good skill of nbs to make useless for equlity.
What survivability did Stam Sorcs gain in exchange for this Surge nerf?
With the current rate, they'll nerf away even more of the sorcs damage next patch and then make shields actually hurt us instead just to make us even easier to kill, lol. And no, they didn't get anything, but that's sorcs in general.Edited by cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO on May 16, 2016 6:33PMR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
Tyrannitar✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »
This is the most unsettling thing honestly....My Cat Two Chainz (Main) - AD Stam Sorc
Post Malone - AD Mag Blade
Ba'al Sahk- AD Stam DK
Vampy Cat- AD Perma-WW Templar
610 CP as of 12/12/20160 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭
What's up with them?To be honest this is expectable: only mechanics with double effects halfly not affected by Battle Spirit to avoid double reduction. Mechanics without double effects should be affected by Battle Spirit otherwise it will make skills in pvp unequal, like: why Surge not affected by BS but Dragonblood affected..
Welcome to the same boat as Dragonblood, Sun Shield and Co.: skills that work in PvE but not work in PvP. Maybe be buff to healing required but being affected by BS is absolutley legit now.
So how about burning embers @Cinbri
They are not affected by battle spirit. Heal for tons of HP - 75% of dmg inflicted turned into HP. And ofc its good, mDK need good heal, they need even better, but why nerfing surge to the grounds, can't get it seriously..
I'm pretty sure Burning Embers (and the Heal) is reduced from battle spirit...Isn't ALL PLAYER DAMAGE DONE reduced by 50%? That means the heal you get from Burning Embers is already halved because the damage it scales from is reduced by half as well...It only heals for a lot in PvP because it actually hits pretty hard. Regardless, this is a Sorc post. One of their MAIN CLASS DEFINING ABILITIES has now been torn from them and they are now forced into a deeper hole of Cookie Cutter builds. Once Again...THANK YOU ZOS for destroying any and all kinds of build varieties. You the best! Much love 
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I am SO glad they listen to pages and pages of feedback...Edited by Moglijuana on May 16, 2016 6:45PM2 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It´s funny and sad at the same time having called exactly this happening 20 minutes after the 2.4.2 patch went live last week.
Nobody is gonna use surge in pve now aswell as in pvp.
*slowclap*<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is why I don't ask for things . I'm not saying anyone here did , hold your fire ! But some thread somewhere someone asked for something and now here we are .0 -
Tyrannitar✭✭✭PainfulFAFA wrote: »Tyrannitar wrote: »PainfulFAFA wrote: »Im not too upset about crit surge. On live, my vigor ticks for 2k crit heals (on my weak bar)and i truly think it was overperforming before... i mean cmon 5k crit heals per sec? lol
Im upset that they STILL have not done anything about Crystal Blast, Dark Exchange, Unreliable Pets (especially in lag), and Passives such as Rebate (return 1k mag when a pet dies lolol). How can they possibly sit there and defend these abilities with a straight face?
Dude. I can pull more than 5k hps on live with the current surge. Idk if you play stam sorc or not honestly.... and if you don't stop giving feedback on this skill.
Are you talking Pvp or Pve?
I seriously doubt your surge is outhealing your vigor in Pvp.
Mine is by over a couple of thousand HPS.
Mine is by over a couple of thousand HPS as well. >.>My Cat Two Chainz (Main) - AD Stam Sorc
Post Malone - AD Mag Blade
Ba'al Sahk- AD Stam DK
Vampy Cat- AD Perma-WW Templar
610 CP as of 12/12/20160
