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RIP SURGE - THANK YOU ZOS
Ryuho
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Surge: This ability and its morphs will now critically heal based on your Weapon Critical or Spell Critical, whichever is higher. We also fixed an issue where the heal from this ability and its morphs was not being reduced by Battle Spirit.
Thank you @ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel what a briliant change, now I can be happy cause I will get epic 1.5k heal in cyro every 1 second, sooo OP!!! You made this skill now completly useless, better to slot rally and get burst heal instead of this "creation" #howtobuffsorcZOSway
Thank you @ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel what a briliant change, now I can be happy cause I will get epic 1.5k heal in cyro every 1 second, sooo OP!!! You made this skill now completly useless, better to slot rally and get burst heal instead of this "creation" #howtobuffsorcZOSway
The Farron family team (EU)
sorcerer - Rubeus Farron AR31
templar - Selene Farron AR27
nightblade - Ryuho Farron AR25
stamplar - Nura Farron AR10
stamsorcerer - Kitty Farron AR14 (adopted member)
DK - Ryu Farron AR17
RETIRED
CU - next mmo
sorcerer - Rubeus Farron AR31
templar - Selene Farron AR27
nightblade - Ryuho Farron AR25
stamplar - Nura Farron AR10
stamsorcerer - Kitty Farron AR14 (adopted member)
DK - Ryu Farron AR17
RETIRED
CU - next mmo
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Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is odd that they were like, "HEY GUYS, we're going to make it so Surge heals on DOTs too, aren't you excited??" And we all were, until they nerfed it into the ground in order to allow dots to heal us. No point in changing it so that dots work when no one will use it in its new form anyway.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Birdovic✭✭✭✭✭That just left me speechless.
How can they really think this was an issue?
This Looked like they really listened to the Community this Time...
Its worse than on Live now, "Great Job" there, really
Attempt and Thoughts to Overhaul Scaling, Attribute System and Enchantments
Improving the Sorcerer class: Ideas
"We want firing off Dark Exchange in the middle of Combat to feel awesome"0 -
PainfulFAFA✭✭✭✭✭
✭Im not too upset about crit surge. On live, my vigor ticks for 2k crit heals (on my weak bar)and i truly think it was overperforming before... i mean cmon 5k crit heals per sec? lol
Im upset that they STILL have not done anything about Crystal Blast, Dark Exchange, Unreliable Pets (especially in lag), and Passives such as Rebate (return 1k mag when a pet dies lolol). How can they possibly sit there and defend these abilities with a straight face?2 -
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✭The worse part in that is that they do internal meetings to take that kind of decisions.2 -
Birdovic✭✭✭✭✭Nah, Surge Is Something that made a Stam Sorc a Stam Sorc.
If I want to Play 2h, I can do so way better with a Stam DK or NB, Even more so with this DLC.
Stam Sorc really just Died in my eyes now..Attempt and Thoughts to Overhaul Scaling, Attribute System and Enchantments
Improving the Sorcerer class: Ideas
"We want firing off Dark Exchange in the middle of Combat to feel awesome"3 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Wrobel please consider doubling the heal from Surge in order to make up for Battle Spirit. Otherwise this spell will be useless in PvP!
Either that, or remove all cooldowns from Surge so it can proc as often as possible.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Surge has really been all downhill from the game's release.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points2 -
timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I am in favor of making Stam Sorcs more viable, but why would the sorc heal not be affected by the same battle spirit that everybody else is affected by.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
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RoyJade✭✭✭✭✭
✭Vigor can be used everytime, surge need to attack and enemy AND crit. Surge is one of the two only tools for stamina sorc, the other is hurricane. Now, stamsorc has only one class skill in pvp.
I just tested : my rally heal for the same amount (because of each time I need to dodge and mitigate I don't do enough damage to outperform rally), have the same damage boost AND have a great secondary effect (burst heal or removed snare).
Surge before the maj was bad for dot build : only medium attack can proc the surge. Now, we gos less heal than the old surge on these build. Even tank build heal more with the live surge with taunt and bash in pvp...2 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭timidobserver wrote: »I am in favor of making Stam Sorcs more viable, but why would the sorc heal not be affected by the same battle spirit that everybody else is affected by.
An ongoing issue with surge is that it was too good in PVE and not good enough or reliable enough in PVP. I thought they recognized this and decided to leave it off the battlespirit list intentionally. A 1k (power surge) or 1.5k (crit surge) HPS that is reliant on a critical hit every second (basically forcing you into a dot build) is just unacceptable.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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tennant94✭✭✭Buff crits surge please I was looking forward to playing stam sorc but vigor and the weak surge heals simply won't be strong enough to compete with rally or magicka based heals. Stam sorc don't get major mending either and don't even say use resto heavy attacks.Edited by tennant94 on May 16, 2016 4:14PM0
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Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭Anyone who thought Battle Spirit not effecting Surge was intended is just plain delusional. This skill was beyond bugged the moment they changed it. They fixed the Crit part, but they still didn't fix the fact that Surge is no longer procing off shields. This was a terrible change to begin with. Like I've said from the moment this was changed. " @Wrobel we did not expect you to make this a worse version of 1.5's completely unused Surge."Edited by Ajax_22 on May 16, 2016 4:13PM0 -
Toast_STS✭✭✭✭What if you use surge with blood craze, Bloodthirst, rally and vigor. Sounds like some op heals. Go dual axes too to get the bleed dot then surge can proc off blood craze, bleed, caltrops and hurricane. Might be good for a PvE build at least.VR14 DK Leaps-in-keeps1
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Jar_Ek✭✭✭✭✭TBH we all knew this was coming - battlespirit was bound to be applied. However I do think that being forced to run a DoT build with no secondary mitigation / defence beyond resolve/ward means that we are basically walking dead meat... and magicka sorcerers are ward spammers. I remain convinced that they have not played their own game with the 8 basic character types.0 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭PainfulFAFA wrote: »Im not too upset about crit surge. On live, my vigor ticks for 2k crit heals (on my weak bar)and i truly think it was overperforming before... i mean cmon 5k crit heals per sec? lol
Im upset that they STILL have not done anything about Crystal Blast, Dark Exchange, Unreliable Pets (especially in lag), and Passives such as Rebate (return 1k mag when a pet dies lolol). How can they possibly sit there and defend these abilities with a straight face?
On live right now my Surge doesn't heal for less than 4k unless it procs off a light attack. I also typically get a minimum of one Surge proc a second. The original change, unaffected by Battle Spirit, was already a significant HPS loss over what I have on live.0 -
dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭have to admit when i saw that change i died alittle inside. it was finally in a spot where it was slightly better than a weapon skills heal over time but didnt buff burst builds... and they changed it back so in pvp it's 100% useless besides for... you guessed it. the burst builds. even then a bad choice since the mages guild source of major sorc is more useful now...
you really messed up this time balancing team
PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.0 -
PainfulFAFA✭✭✭✭✭
✭timidobserver wrote: »I am in favor of making Stam Sorcs more viable, but why would the sorc heal not be affected by the same battle spirit that everybody else is affected by.
Exactly. It was overperforming imo, 5k+ crit heals that could be further increased with CPs.
However, if they just leave Stam sorc like that, it will STILL be at the bottom of the stam playstyles.
Stam sorcs are missing BUFFs and DEBUFFS to make them good. Seriously name all the sorcs buffs/debuffs. Oh wait theres already a list out there.
i.imgur.com/NvOxZk9.png
Thats why sorcs are lacking any identity. They have no good buffs/debuffs that every other class ALREADY has. All stam sorcs have is Speed and Armor, aaaaaand thats about it. Thats all they got to survive. But hey! They nerfed movement speed in TG and buffed snares ALOT. All anybody has to do is spam gapclosers and a stam sorc's speed is virtually negated. So in reality, all we have is Armor.
They STILL have to do something about dumb abilities such as Crystal Blast, Dark Exchange, Unreliable pets (expecially in lag), and passives such as Rebate (return 1k mag from dead pets) and Exploitation (minor spell crit). If they just decide to leave stam sorc as is and not change anything stam sorcs will still be at the bottom of the barrel. I dont expect changes to come, i think this is all we're gonna get..Edited by PainfulFAFA on May 16, 2016 4:26PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭PainfulFAFA wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »I am in favor of making Stam Sorcs more viable, but why would the sorc heal not be affected by the same battle spirit that everybody else is affected by.
Exactly. It was overperforming imo, 5k+ crit heals that could be further increased with CPs.
However, if they just leave Stam sorc like that, it will STILL be at the bottom of the stam playstyles.
Stam sorcs are missing BUFFs and DEBUFFS to make them good. Seriously name all the sorcs buffs/debuffs. Oh wait theres already a list out there.
i.imgur.com/NvOxZk9.png
Thats why sorcs are lacking any identity. They have no good buffs/debuffs that every other class ALREADY has. All stam sorcs have is Speed and Armor, aaaaaand thats about it. Thats all they got to survive. But hey! They nerfed movement speed in TG and buffed snares ALOT. All anybody has to do is spam gapclosers and a stam sorc's speed is virtually negated.
They STILL have to do something about dumb abilities such as Crystal Blast, Dark Exchange, Unreliable pets (expecially in lag), and passives such as Rebate (return 1k mag from dead pets) and Exploitation (minor spell crit). If they just decide to leave stam sorc as is and not change anything stam sorcs will still be at the bottom of the barrel. I dont expect changes to come, i think this is all we're gonna get..
Yeh, I am all for a physical morph of overload and various other Sorc skills, but I am not in favor of exceptions to battle spirit.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
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Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PainfulFAFA wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »I am in favor of making Stam Sorcs more viable, but why would the sorc heal not be affected by the same battle spirit that everybody else is affected by.
Exactly. It was overperforming imo, 5k+ crit heals that could be further increased with CPs.
However, if they just leave Stam sorc like that, it will STILL be at the bottom of the stam playstyles.
Stam sorcs are missing BUFFs and DEBUFFS to make them good. Seriously name all the sorcs buffs/debuffs. Oh wait theres already a list out there.
i.imgur.com/NvOxZk9.png
Thats why sorcs are lacking any identity. They have no good buffs/debuffs that every other class ALREADY has. All stam sorcs have is Speed and Armor, aaaaaand thats about it. Thats all they got to survive. But hey! They nerfed movement speed in TG and buffed snares ALOT. All anybody has to do is spam gapclosers and a stam sorc's speed is virtually negated.
They STILL have to do something about dumb abilities such as Crystal Blast, Dark Exchange, Unreliable pets (expecially in lag), and passives such as Rebate (return 1k mag from dead pets) and Exploitation (minor spell crit). If they just decide to leave stam sorc as is and not change anything stam sorcs will still be at the bottom of the barrel. I dont expect changes to come, i think this is all we're gonna get..
That 5k crit heal depends on two crit checks (crit to activate the surge heal and crit on the heal itself) and you can't forget that it is a heal that relies on you constantly doing damage. I agree with your post overall, but I think if they left it as it was it would be balanced consider the lack of other options for stam sorc and the build needed to be able to sustain crit surge heals.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭tony.augeb14_ESO wrote: »What if you use surge with blood craze, Bloodthirst, rally and vigor. Sounds like some op heals. Go dual axes too to get the bleed dot then surge can proc off blood craze, bleed, caltrops and hurricane. Might be good for a PvE build at least.
Just tested against bloodspawn. Surge heal was one slot token for not even a quarter of my heal. Tried without it, I put more damage, using no more heal (no tank, I was alone for the boss) and deal faster. Now, on pvp that's the same, except that we are now a pure weapon build except for hurricane.
It heal less now than my mutagen on my magsorc. And mutagen for solo play is not really a good heal, for one slot it's useless.0 -
Archmage1✭✭✭STOP NERFING SORCS ZOS! What is your point here? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.1
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Mettaricana wrote: »
Ikr, I want to have their job, it's not really hard to say and decide stupid stuff all day long and get paid to do so. Well, either this or a politician I guess...R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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Ryuho✭✭✭✭tony.augeb14_ESO wrote: »What if you use surge with blood craze, Bloodthirst, rally and vigor. Sounds like some op heals. Go dual axes too to get the bleed dot then surge can proc off blood craze, bleed, caltrops and hurricane. Might be good for a PvE build at least.
Just tested against bloodspawn. Surge heal was one slot token for not even a quarter of my heal. Tried without it, I put more damage, using no more heal (no tank, I was alone for the boss) and deal faster. Now, on pvp that's the same, except that we are now a pure weapon build except for hurricane.
It heal less now than my mutagen on my magsorc. And mutagen for solo play is not really a good heal, for one slot it's useless.
I am just speechless.. Seriously do monkeys work at your office @ZOS, OP change..The Farron family team (EU)
sorcerer - Rubeus Farron AR31
templar - Selene Farron AR27
nightblade - Ryuho Farron AR25
stamplar - Nura Farron AR10
stamsorcerer - Kitty Farron AR14 (adopted member)
DK - Ryu Farron AR17
RETIRED
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PainfulFAFA✭✭✭✭✭
✭Moglijuana wrote: »Welcome to the Dragon Blood Nerf. Thanks ZOS
you're so kind.
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