ZOS WTH are you killing my stam DK 2H build with your NERF????!!!!!

jkolb2030 · April 2016

Necrelios wrote: »

Well here is the thing, I've been playing around with the new poison morphs on PTS, and you get to spew green vomit on everything now and it is awesome. How many classes get to do that?! So I would just take a step back, look at the new changes with an open mind and then run around vomiting on everything for a while and see how it goes .

I still am skeptical about the whole poison vomit instead of fire thing... There is such thing as green fire right? Green Fire w/ poison dmg.. I dunno, a very odd step to go there from fire imo..

altemriel · April 2016

Necrelios wrote: »

Well here is the thing, I've been playing around with the new poison morphs on PTS, and you get to spew green vomit on everything now and it is awesome. How many classes get to do that?! So I would just take a step back, look at the new changes with an open mind and then run around vomiting on everything for a while and see how it goes .

could you please post some more info about the "new poison morphs"? I would want to know more about that!

Panth141 · April 2016

altemriel wrote: »

quadraxis666 wrote: »

l2p

EDIT: Not sure if troll

I am not trolling!

yes, l2p, but how should i learn to play, when it is now 2nd time that I finally learned how to play my build, they AGAIN nerf it to hell??

it is really not funny anymore ZOS!!

Respectfully, if you are just spamming wrecking blow then you have not learned to play

code65536 · April 2016

altemriel wrote: »

Necrelios wrote: »

If you're more into the PvE aspect of the game, have you considered playing as a magicka dk? I do play both but tend to lean towards my magicka build more for PvE for better sustain and versatility. It might not be the end, but a new beginning for your DK.

EDIT: In case trolling, gg, wp.

well I do not consider changing my stam to mag - changing my build, gear, CP, everything..., I like stam, that is the thing...

But you're an Altmer... magicka would be better for you anyway.

But let's say you stick with stam. For PvE, 2H really wasn't very good to begin with. DW/bow is better for PvE--more damage, more AOE. Most people who spam the 2H wrecking blow are PvPers who use that skill specifically for the stun and knockback--but in PvE, that stun and knockback isn't very useful, and the raw damage output of DW/bow is better. That, and you need a lot more AOE in PvE, and 2H sucks at that.

MaxwellC · April 2016

They need to make wrecking blow a knock back instead of giving it to dizzing swing; I could care-less about the empower as my character doesn't soley run around WB everything as a Stam DK. The deadliest thing about my character is heavy attack animation canceled poison injections not a WB.

Most people use WB for the knock back not the empower so ZOS please give WB the knock back and dizzing swing the empower. You can even re-name it to 'Empowered Swing' or something like that (yes I suck at the name choice XD).

idk · April 2016

altemriel wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

That is a change to 2hand not DKs.........

Call it a nerf or buff it is a change to 2hand which ALL classes use. It has nothing to do with your class

DKs as a class actually got buffed, especially stamina builds changing to poison, they do alot more damage now.

You really need to change this post title to 2hand. Also that skill still has the knock back and stun you just need to choose the morph between that and the 20% empowerbuff.

Ok I changed it to stam dk 2H build..

well according to the patch notes, the stun and knockback has been eliminated and that is my problem with this skill nerf!!

and executioner......hell no! I do not need increased damage +50, it already did hit hard, I the increase of the damage of all Two Handed abilities while slotted;!!!! stacking!!

the same with WB, why was there a need for nerf?? the knockback and stun was the major part of that skill effect, which enabled my DK to use heal or crit rush in the meantime. but now nothing like that is working anymore

Have you ever checked it out on PTS or raging because you think you got nerfed?

So glad wrecking blow no longer knocks back. Hated chasing the target. Seems like the most stupid mechanic for a mele skill ever.

Necrelios · April 2016

These are the new stamina morphs under the Ardent Flame abilities which deal poison damage, scaling with Mighty and physical damage.

Bdawwg · April 2016

Why is anyone complaining about moving the empower to dizzying instead of having it on wrecking blow. You can just do a skill morph reset, some people just complain for the sake of it.

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

They need to make wrecking blow a knock back instead of giving it to dizzing swing; I could care-less about the empower as my character doesn't soley run around WB everything as a Stam DK. The deadliest thing about my character is heavy attack animation canceled poison injections not a WB.

Most people use WB for the knock back not the empower so ZOS please give WB the knock back and dizzing swing the empower. You can even re-name it to 'Empowered Swing' or something like that (yes I suck at the name choice XD).

Necrelios · April 2016

I've been running that Noxious Breath on my DW bar. The physical resistance reduction with Noxious Breath combined with the execution of steel tornado are a going to be thing to be reckoned with.

Balabù · April 2016

TL;DR

altemriel wrote: »

I don`t care about PVP at all, I play only PVE.

Lol 2H sucks in PvE.

templesus · April 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

All I can say is that the changes to Uppercut/Wrecking Blow were needed. There are WAY to many 1 hit wonders who can't seem to click on any other skill out there for PVP. IMO any skill regardless of weapon or class SHOULD NEVER HAVE HIGH DAMAGE A KNOCKBACK AND A STUN attached to it. There's just no reason to have all three of those tied to one skill. And I'm a templar.....

It would be really nice if the skills that this game had weren't all in one skills. Take Aurora Javalin for example, I love tossing it at people but at the same time is it fair to hit them really hard and knock them down or back? No, it isn't. Any skill that does any type of knockdown/back/stun should do little damage and be more about the CC requiring someone to actually go in for a kill instead of spamming one button over and over.

Nerf frags

Takes-No-Prisoner · April 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

Shame really... how will you ever kill people with this without the stun and knock back? : ( I feel for you.

Actually if you stop and think about it for a second. How would one tell the difference between Dizzy and WB? But if they are not paying attention they are gonna get steam rolled either way and one move will be more familiar then the other. I am curious to see how the swap will effect people. I would actually like not having the KB/Stun on one of the moves.

Sheezabeast · April 2016

OP if you are worried about your damage...maybe not play a stamina Altmer, maybe try Breton or Nord or Redguard or Bosmer

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · April 2016

Balabù wrote: »

TL;DR

altemriel wrote: »

I don`t care about PVP at all, I play only PVE.

Lol 2H sucks in PvE.

Brawler (Morph of Cleave) is awesome for Mobs in PvE, gives you a shield, and puts a bleeding dot on the cone in front of you, and they are buffing it.

Weapon

Two Handed
Cleave: Increased the damage over time from this ability and its morphs by 20%.

D0ntevenL1ft · April 2016

Nobody really wants to factor in the physical defence CP tree either. Last patch wrecking blow needed this nerf but since TG dropped I've never had a problem. It was not previously a threat and now will be even less of one.

americansteel · April 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

All I can say is that the changes to Uppercut/Wrecking Blow were needed. There are WAY to many 1 hit wonders who can't seem to click on any other skill out there for PVP. IMO any skill regardless of weapon or class SHOULD NEVER HAVE HIGH DAMAGE A KNOCKBACK AND A STUN attached to it. There's just no reason to have all three of those tied to one skill. And I'm a templar.....

It would be really nice if the skills that this game had weren't all in one skills. Take Aurora Javalin for example, I love tossing it at people but at the same time is it fair to hit them really hard and knock them down or back? No, it isn't. Any skill that does any type of knockdown/back/stun should do little damage and be more about the CC requiring someone to actually go in for a kill instead of spamming one button over and over.

your post should be in regards of crystal frags aswell, still hits harder than WB and hss almost no cast time.

Robbmrp · April 2016

americansteel wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

All I can say is that the changes to Uppercut/Wrecking Blow were needed. There are WAY to many 1 hit wonders who can't seem to click on any other skill out there for PVP. IMO any skill regardless of weapon or class SHOULD NEVER HAVE HIGH DAMAGE A KNOCKBACK AND A STUN attached to it. There's just no reason to have all three of those tied to one skill. And I'm a templar.....

It would be really nice if the skills that this game had weren't all in one skills. Take Aurora Javalin for example, I love tossing it at people but at the same time is it fair to hit them really hard and knock them down or back? No, it isn't. Any skill that does any type of knockdown/back/stun should do little damage and be more about the CC requiring someone to actually go in for a kill instead of spamming one button over and over.

your post should be in regards of crystal frags aswell, still hits harder than WB and hss almost no cast time.

Already covered that as well.

Iyas · April 2016

You cant be real

Balabù · April 2016

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Balabù wrote: »

TL;DR

altemriel wrote: »

I don`t care about PVP at all, I play only PVE.

Lol 2H sucks in PvE.

Brawler (Morph of Cleave) is awesome for Mobs in PvE, gives you a shield, and puts a bleeding dot on the cone in front of you, and they are buffing it.

Weapon

Two Handed
Cleave: Increased the damage over time from this ability and its morphs by 20%.

Unfortunately, that doesn't make 2H competitive for PvE. Plus Steel tornado is far beyond Cleave and its morphs.

Moonshadow66 · April 2016

@altemriel
I cannot actually post a comment about the topic since I don't use a 2-hander anymore in a long time, but I just want to tell you that, ever since I saw you here for the first time, I think you have the coolest sounding forum name (just my personal opinion, and no, I'm not kidding)

ADarklore · April 2016

Why would anyone care about a knock-back in PvE? Typically WB in PvE is only really used against bosses, and they have CC immunity anyway. Against Mobs, pointless as WB is a single-target attack... so unless you're just into the animation aspect, at which case just respec to Dizzy..

Lynx7386 · April 2016

So you're mad that they're making executioner deal even more damage, and bringing a much needed balance change to wrecking blow?

How exactly are these dragonknight skills, again?

Thornen · April 2016

altemriel wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

PvP is apparently the only thing that matters now.

I don`t care about PVP at all, I play only PVE.

PVP, it pretty much sucks for me to ride my mount 10 minutes, to be killed in 5 seconds.....do not like...

Why the hell are using wb in pve anyway lol, if your really need the knockback and stun you will just swap to wb2(dizzying swing) wich is exactly the same as wb is now just without the empower effect....

Recremen · April 2016

The Executioner change is actually extremely misleading, it never gave you a bonus to all 2-handed skills while slotted, unless the enemy was under 25% health or some threshold like that. At that point, you would almost certainly be using Executioner anyway, except on edge-case situations like charging a low-health target or Wrecking Blow against a permablocker. Thus, the 18% (if I recall correctly) damage boost against low-health targets is way lower than the now 50% increase in damage to Executioner. This particular change should be mostly a buff.

The Wrecking Blow change is terrible, and I really feel it as a fellow (likely former) stam DK. I'm certainly not sticking stam if they keep those disgusting new animations for DK stam morphs, and this change to WB means I can't even make a competitive build suitable for both PvE and PvP. They hit the nail on the head for a lot of stam changes, but some of it is so borked now.

Van_0S · April 2016

altemriel wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

PvP is apparently the only thing that matters now.

I don`t care about PVP at all, I play only PVE.

PVP, it pretty much sucks for me to ride my mount 10 minutes, to be killed in 5 seconds.....do not like...

Then go for a magicka build!.
Since your character is an altmer.

Note: PvE are great for magicka builds and decent for Stamina builds.
PvP are awesome for stamina builds and still great for magicka builds.

So, switch to magicka and you won't regret it..... Use a destro staff/DW and healing staff.

Have 1 :1:5 ratio gear ( heavy: medium : light) unless you have undaunted lvl 7 to get a cool passive. If not then 1 heavy and rest light.

Krist · April 2016

jkolb2030 wrote: »

Wrecking Blow needed some sort of change being a knock down and stun AND dmg buff.. Face it, we complain about the sorc shield buffs all the time, yet if you can catch one in a wrecking blow spam, they hardly stand a chance to even re-cast those shields.

While this is a good point, the OP was actually talking about PvE specifically. That being the case, wrecking blow causing a knock up/back/stun is useless as it does not work on bosses.
In PvP it may have uses, until people realize all they need is immovable. Sure you can sneak it on people, but there are many other effective sneaks too. I get your view of it needing nerfing, but considering it was not that uber anyway, I am glad they added damage instead.
This is not meant to be an argument against you, just relaying that I dont think it was actually nerfed, and others do not view it that way either, it is being fixed.
For the record, my main uses 2H.

Van_0S · April 2016

jkolb2030 wrote: »

Necrelios wrote: »

Well here is the thing, I've been playing around with the new poison morphs on PTS, and you get to spew green vomit on everything now and it is awesome. How many classes get to do that?! So I would just take a step back, look at the new changes with an open mind and then run around vomiting on everything for a while and see how it goes .

I still am skeptical about the whole poison vomit instead of fire thing... There is such thing as green fire right? Green Fire w/ poison dmg.. I dunno, a very odd step to go there from fire imo..

Actually true poison is purple(venom) not green (toxic).

Van_0S · April 2016

Panth141 wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

quadraxis666 wrote: »

l2p

EDIT: Not sure if troll

I am not trolling!

yes, l2p, but how should i learn to play, when it is now 2nd time that I finally learned how to play my build, they AGAIN nerf it to hell??

it is really not funny anymore ZOS!!

Respectfully, if you are just spamming wrecking blow then you have not learned to play

Of cousre , OP is a PvE'er not a PvP'er.
Almost all PvE'er (including myself) are noobs.
But PvP is where the true skill/potential of your class shines.(took me a while to master my NB)
Note: non-bombing build.

Krist · April 2016

Balabù wrote: »

TL;DR

altemriel wrote: »

I don`t care about PVP at all, I play only PVE.

Lol 2H sucks in PvE.

It isn't that bad in PvE if used properly. Cleave gives a damage shield plus bleed, momentum gives major brutality. With my Stam Templar I hit Unstoppable, momentum, cleave, light attack, Radiant Ward, light attack, Unstoppable, light attack...so on and so forth weaving light and heavy attack as needed, amd Ultimate when up. This is effective when pulling in a bunch of mobs. With forceful I am getting multiple targets constantly. I actually have used this on world bosses solo, using reviving barrier as it comes up, which it does pretty fast with light attacks being weaved in. Your staying power is absolute. (edit: If you miss a step though, you are probably dead or guzzling a heal and running)
For the record bow is best for most world bosses, but sometimes I am lazy and just want to mash.

Lexxypwns · April 2016

Stam DK got massive buffs and will likely be top pve dps next patch.