You dont need 36k+stam to reach this. "It has to be empowered by ambush" yeah you mean the best gapcloser in the game, thats gonna crit for 6-7k and give you a free empowerement? Mmh indeed seems to be a huge sacrifice youre making to get this incap buffed... very comparable to wasting 1 or 2 gcd as a magicka build to proc might of the guild! Again yes magicka could pull off the same numbers or nearly before, but it requires many more IF and keep in mind it wouldnt come at the same time as a 6k ambush or a 6-8k medium/heavy attack.If you want to be able to reach this number with a magicka nb you have to use dual wield as a mag build, and inner light/entropy before... means you dont have the 8k heavy attack weave in it, and have to waste a gcd between your lotus fan and your soul harvest. Oh wait 2 bc you also need to recast cloak
That does not change the fact that Magicka NBs can still do it some way or the other.
And also to get these numbers with Incap Strike on PTS with a Stam NB, you need Major Brutality, Minor Berserk, 36+ stam and a great deal of weapon dmg and crit dmg bonus and have to get it empowered by Ambush. Oh yeah, it also has to be critical hit.
THAT'S A LOT OF IFS.
Master_Kas wrote: »ONE nonempowered overload lightattack can hit for a bit lower damage than that, and how many of those can you spam away from a safe distance behind your zerg?
Add empower with entropy on top of that and you can get similar results.
Yeah overlol is totally fine, but nerf stamina incap before it's even out on live. #Balance.
Hypocrites.
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »
I'm levelling one atm, and it's just so damn strong, lol. The passives and all are just super OP. With zenimax just loving NB's so very much it's stupid not to have a NB.
Lol oh really? And how is it OP? Also real fast, are you leveling up a magicka or stamina Nightblade?
Magicka because I hate playing as stam. :P
And they're OP just as they're so good for pretty much anything you want to do, sorc ones are very specific and not very strong on top of that compared to NB ones.
Master_Kas wrote: »ONE nonempowered overload lightattack can hit for a bit lower damage than that, and how many of those can you spam away from a safe distance behind your zerg?
Add empower with entropy on top of that and you can get similar results.
Yeah overlol is totally fine, but nerf stamina incap before it's even out on live. #Balance.
Hypocrites.
Master_Kas wrote: »ONE nonempowered overload lightattack can hit for a bit lower damage than that, and how many of those can you spam away from a safe distance behind your zerg?
Add empower with entropy on top of that and you can get similar results.
Yeah overlol is totally fine, but nerf stamina incap before it's even out on live. #Balance.
Hypocrites.
bowmanz607 wrote: »16k seems reasonable? Are you out of your mind? for an ability that costs 50 ultimate???? come on dude....and its a heal defile. Just leave lmao that is far from reasonable
can hit this with mag build now but noone yells about that. not to mention this player likely is a gank build that had empower buff up. Wont be hit with that every time. Especially with everyone having access to shields now.
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »
I'm levelling one atm, and it's just so damn strong, lol. The passives and all are just super OP. With zenimax just loving NB's so very much it's stupid not to have a NB.
Lol oh really? And how is it OP? Also real fast, are you leveling up a magicka or stamina Nightblade?
Magicka because I hate playing as stam. :P
And they're OP just as they're so good for pretty much anything you want to do, sorc ones are very specific and not very strong on top of that compared to NB ones.
16k seems reasonable? Are you out of your mind? for an ability that costs 50 ultimate???? come on dude....and its a heal defile. Just leave lmao that is far from reasonable
Master_Kas wrote: »ONE nonempowered overload lightattack can hit for a bit lower damage than that, and how many of those can you spam away from a safe distance behind your zerg?
Add empower with entropy on top of that and you can get similar results.
Yeah overlol is totally fine, but nerf stamina incap before it's even out on live. #Balance.
Hypocrites.
yh tell me when you can empower overload with a 6k dmg abilitie, tell me when you can combine 1 overload with a 8k heavy attack+2k bash, tell me when overload gives minor and major disease, tell me when it increases your next damage by 20% and stun, tell me when its unpredictable. Yes stamina incap needs a nerf before its even out on live, because we both know its not gonna get any kind of balance once its on live until next big patch. And if nothing changes we can already start to call ESO 2.4 Elder stamblade online.
I've been hitting people with 10-13k Incapacitating Strike crits for a while now... in BwB and AS.
I figured people on CP-enabled campaigns would already be hitting 16k...
Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »16k seems reasonable? Are you out of your mind? for an ability that costs 50 ultimate???? come on dude....and its a heal defile. Just leave lmao that is far from reasonable
Are you guys really factoring the 20% damage buff from ambush? take that away and this drops from 16000, to 12800. Doesnt that look much more reasonable?
Not everyone uses ambush as an opener, most actually ry to land Suprise Attack as the opener for much more damage and long stun. Most people will try to save Incap Strike as a last resourt during the fight.
I think a better solution to this problem would be for Incap strike to NOT be bale to gain a bonus from the 20% empower buff.
leepalmer95 wrote: »I've been hitting people with 10-13k Incapacitating Strike crits for a while now... in BwB and AS.
I figured people on CP-enabled campaigns would already be hitting 16k...
Well to be perfectly honest most people on the non cp campaign's usually haven't played the game long or played pvp much.
Master_Kas wrote: »ONE nonempowered overload lightattack can hit for a bit lower damage than that, and how many of those can you spam away from a safe distance behind your zerg?
Add empower with entropy on top of that and you can get similar results.
Yeah overlol is totally fine, but nerf stamina incap before it's even out on live. #Balance.
Hypocrites.
yh tell me when you can empower overload with a 6k dmg abilitie, tell me when you can combine 1 overload with a 8k heavy attack+2k bash, tell me when overload gives minor and major disease, tell me when it increases your next damage by 20% and stun, tell me when its unpredictable. Yes stamina incap needs a nerf before its even out on live, because we both know its not gonna get any kind of balance once its on live until next big patch. And if nothing changes we can already start to call ESO 2.4 Elder stamblade online.
Well Denne, you tell me when my Soul Harvests start Disintegrating people, essentially doubling the burst they deal <.<
Also, nightblade burst is pretty much over after that. Don't tell me LA-Surprise Attack spam is in any ways comparable to DKs DoTs or stamplar sweep DPS... even stamina sorcs are able to put out more sustained pressure.
Stamblade is all about burst and that's why I think the damage portion of the ulti is fine.
Burning_Talons wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »16k seems reasonable? Are you out of your mind? for an ability that costs 50 ultimate???? come on dude....and its a heal defile. Just leave lmao that is far from reasonable
can hit this with mag build now but noone yells about that. not to mention this player likely is a gank build that had empower buff up. Wont be hit with that every time. Especially with everyone having access to shields now.
Soul Harvest doesnt hit for nearly as much
Killer's Blade is an execute and doesnt do anymore damage then executioner. So no, I dont have a problem with it. But you want to talk about balance when this isnt actually balance. Not every class has a scaleable class ultimate with Mighty. Now only DK and Nightblade do. Your argument of balance is null in my opinion.
The_Outsider wrote: »Killer's Blade is an execute and doesnt do anymore damage then executioner. So no, I dont have a problem with it. But you want to talk about balance when this isnt actually balance. Not every class has a scaleable class ultimate with Mighty. Now only DK and Nightblade do. Your argument of balance is null in my opinion.
The fact that only NB and DK have Ults that scale off Mighty is exactly why the change was a good one. Like I said before, Magicka Ults have been scaling off CPs this whole time. Not at least two two Stam classes have Ults that scale. So yes, this a step closure to balance from a Magicka vs. Stamina perspective.
16k seems reasonable? Are you out of your mind? for an ability that costs 50 ultimate???? come on dude....and its a heal defile. Just leave lmao that is far from reasonable
16k seems reasonable? Are you out of your mind? for an ability that costs 50 ultimate???? come on dude....and its a heal defile. Just leave lmao that is far from reasonable
bowmanz607 wrote: »The_Outsider wrote: »Killer's Blade is an execute and doesnt do anymore damage then executioner. So no, I dont have a problem with it. But you want to talk about balance when this isnt actually balance. Not every class has a scaleable class ultimate with Mighty. Now only DK and Nightblade do. Your argument of balance is null in my opinion.
The fact that only NB and DK have Ults that scale off Mighty is exactly why the change was a good one. Like I said before, Magicka Ults have been scaling off CPs this whole time. Not at least two two Stam classes have Ults that scale. So yes, this a step closure to balance from a Magicka vs. Stamina perspective.
Stam Sorcs got an atro if I'm not mistaken.
D0ntevenL1ft wrote: »The problem isn't the physical ulti it's simply that a nightblade has all the tools to make it hit very high only in specific situations. Yet if you are in these specific situations where they get all their bonuses at once then that's your own problem. Don't act like you can hit a 12k frag which isn't even an ult.
bowmanz607 wrote: »The_Outsider wrote: »Killer's Blade is an execute and doesnt do anymore damage then executioner. So no, I dont have a problem with it. But you want to talk about balance when this isnt actually balance. Not every class has a scaleable class ultimate with Mighty. Now only DK and Nightblade do. Your argument of balance is null in my opinion.
The fact that only NB and DK have Ults that scale off Mighty is exactly why the change was a good one. Like I said before, Magicka Ults have been scaling off CPs this whole time. Not at least two two Stam classes have Ults that scale. So yes, this a step closure to balance from a Magicka vs. Stamina perspective.
Stam Sorcs got an atro if I'm not mistaken.
Break Free no longer removes or provides immunity to silence effects.
This change mainly applies to the Negate Magic player ability, as most content and monster-based silence effects were already unbreakable.