Erondil wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

If you want to be able to reach this number with a magicka nb you have to use dual wield as a mag build, and inner light/entropy before... means you dont have the 8k heavy attack weave in it, and have to waste a gcd between your lotus fan and your soul harvest. Oh wait 2 bc you also need to recast cloak

That does not change the fact that Magicka NBs can still do it some way or the other.

And also to get these numbers with Incap Strike on PTS with a Stam NB, you need Major Brutality, Minor Berserk, 36+ stam and a great deal of weapon dmg and crit dmg bonus and have to get it empowered by Ambush. Oh yeah, it also has to be critical hit.

THAT'S A LOT OF IFS.

You dont need 36k+stam to reach this. "It has to be empowered by ambush" yeah you mean the best gapcloser in the game, thats gonna crit for 6-7k and give you a free empowerement? Mmh indeed seems to be a huge sacrifice youre making to get this incap buffed... very comparable to wasting 1 or 2 gcd as a magicka build to proc might of the guild! Again yes magicka could pull off the same numbers or nearly before, but it requires many more IF and keep in mind it wouldnt come at the same time as a 6k ambush or a 6-8k medium/heavy attack.

I disagree. Can definitely hit those numbers with a mag build without any more trouble than a Stam build. In fact, i find it easier as a mag build because you don't need to leave stealth to get the am powering buff.

I don't know where this mentality comes from that mag builds can't git as hard as Stam builds. Yes, you can stack weapon damage easier than spell damage. But you can also stack your overall mag higher than overall stam. Mag builds don't need as much regeneration as Stam users, so max mag is chosen over regen on gear and food is chosen over drink. Don't forget that the ratio is roughly 100 spell damage = 1100 max mag.

Why does it at times feel like Stam hits harder. Well before tg it hut harder because there was no mitigation in the champ tree, so everyone put points into mag. Currently, more people still run reduced mag damage more than reduced physical because the more people are running around with mag builds this patch. Asditionally, mag builds are negated with annulment where a Stam builds doesn't have to tear through it.

This idea that there is some crazy disparity in the numbers between the two is crazy. It does not take much for mag builds to reach that damage. Especially a mag balde. I will drop a 11k concealed weapons. I will drop 15k souk harvest. Dawn breakers hit harder than that.

Additionally, we no nothing about the picture above. Was he wearing impen? Was he ganged from a fully buffed player in the shadows? Was he ganjed from behind from even more damage? What is the player mitigation? Perhaps the player proc Lena on a mob since it is in ic. Perhaps the player was fully mitigated with impen. Who knows. For all we know this was someone and his buddy attempting to get nb nerfed. What were the players champ points as opposed to the attackers?

The point is that these numbers currently exist on mag builds. Additionally, more mitigation is being added to the game. Shields and increasing the ease at which players can add mitigation.

That said, there are just some builds that are weak. LA users should drop quick. That is the point. You don't want to drop quick, then add more health and or mitigation. Don't go whining because your playing a flimsy build and don't want to change your approach so you just cry nerf to damage. Try and theory craft your way around it. That is the problem with a lot of people in this game. When there build doesn't counter everyrhing, they cry net rather than figuring out ways around it. This is why this game has moved closer and closer to easy mode.

Master_Kas wrote: »

ONE nonempowered overload lightattack can hit for a bit lower damage than that, and how many of those can you spam away from a safe distance behind your zerg?

Add empower with entropy on top of that and you can get similar results.

Yeah overlol is totally fine, but nerf stamina incap before it's even out on live. #Balance.

Hypocrites.

Sorcs that want to stay op is what it is

If this change went in for Templars or DKs nobody would make a sound. Give anything to Nightblades and all of a sudden the world is ending.

When the whining starts about poisons it will be Nightblades to blame, because for some reason other classes don't have access to sneak, heavy attack, snipe, or invis pots.
This ultimate is fine and it puts them in a good spot. It should have happened in 1.6 when the other classes got fixed and staves stopped scaling off stamina and weapon power/damage. These changes were long overdue.

Master_Kas wrote: »

ONE nonempowered overload lightattack can hit for a bit lower damage than that, and how many of those can you spam away from a safe distance behind your zerg?

Add empower with entropy on top of that and you can get similar results.

Yeah overlol is totally fine, but nerf stamina incap before it's even out on live. #Balance.

Hypocrites.

yh tell me when you can empower overload with a 6k dmg abilitie, tell me when you can combine 1 overload with a 8k heavy attack+2k bash, tell me when overload gives minor and major disease, tell me when it increases your next damage by 20% and stun, tell me when its unpredictable. Yes stamina incap needs a nerf before its even out on live, because we both know its not gonna get any kind of balance once its on live until next big patch. And if nothing changes we can already start to call ESO 2.4 Elder stamblade online.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

OMFG quit whining about nightblades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It'll never happen. Most people who think Nightblades are OP haven't even played as one. Remember, no one ever thinks their build is OP.

I'm levelling one atm, and it's just so damn strong, lol. The passives and all are just super OP. With zenimax just loving NB's so very much it's stupid not to have a NB.

Lol oh really? And how is it OP? Also real fast, are you leveling up a magicka or stamina Nightblade?

Magicka because I hate playing as stam. :P
And they're OP just as they're so good for pretty much anything you want to do, sorc ones are very specific and not very strong on top of that compared to NB ones.

Magblade is very strong, way easier to play well than stamblade (I have both).

Don't judge one by the other.

I've been hitting people with 10-13k Incapacitating Strike crits for a while now... in BwB and AS.

I figured people on CP-enabled campaigns would already be hitting 16k...

DDuke wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

ONE nonempowered overload lightattack can hit for a bit lower damage than that, and how many of those can you spam away from a safe distance behind your zerg?

Add empower with entropy on top of that and you can get similar results.

Yeah overlol is totally fine, but nerf stamina incap before it's even out on live. #Balance.

Hypocrites.

yh tell me when you can empower overload with a 6k dmg abilitie, tell me when you can combine 1 overload with a 8k heavy attack+2k bash, tell me when overload gives minor and major disease, tell me when it increases your next damage by 20% and stun, tell me when its unpredictable. Yes stamina incap needs a nerf before its even out on live, because we both know its not gonna get any kind of balance once its on live until next big patch. And if nothing changes we can already start to call ESO 2.4 Elder stamblade online.

Well Denne, you tell me when my Soul Harvests start Disintegrating people, essentially doubling the burst they deal <.<

Also, nightblade burst is pretty much over after that. Don't tell me LA-Surprise Attack spam is in any ways comparable to DKs DoTs or stamplar sweep DPS... even stamina sorcs are able to put out more sustained pressure.

Stamblade is all about burst and that's why I think the damage portion of the ulti is fine.

Now stamblade has many other tools for burst, to begin with Assassin's scourge and killers blade. But who the f*ck needs that when a simple heavy attack+incap strikes or (optionnal: poison injection+)ambush+incapaciting strike is already an insta kill out of nowhere

I have been saying this from the very beginning. Incap strike was balanced around the fact that it dealt magicka damage, and was already incredibly powerful before this patch due to it hitting so hard, being so cheap, providing so much utility, and coexisting with the strong stamina burst NBs already have.

To make it disease damage without adjusting the tooltip is clearly taking a balanced skill and pushing it over the edge. Incap is now by far the best stamina ulti in the game, on a class which already had the best stamina spammable skill and gap closer. I was really enjoying the live patch because finally, the stamina classes were relatively equal. Now that balance is honestly ruined and stamblade is clearly the best stamina build, no contest.

Burning_Talons wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

16k seems reasonable? Are you out of your mind? for an ability that costs 50 ultimate???? come on dude....and its a heal defile. Just leave lmao that is far from reasonable

can hit this with mag build now but noone yells about that. not to mention this player likely is a gank build that had empower buff up. Wont be hit with that every time. Especially with everyone having access to shields now.

Soul Harvest doesnt hit for nearly as much

I disagree.

The_Outsider wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Killer's Blade is an execute and doesnt do anymore damage then executioner. So no, I dont have a problem with it. But you want to talk about balance when this isnt actually balance. Not every class has a scaleable class ultimate with Mighty. Now only DK and Nightblade do. Your argument of balance is null in my opinion.

The fact that only NB and DK have Ults that scale off Mighty is exactly why the change was a good one. Like I said before, Magicka Ults have been scaling off CPs this whole time. Not at least two two Stam classes have Ults that scale. So yes, this a step closure to balance from a Magicka vs. Stamina perspective.

Stam Sorcs got an atro if I'm not mistaken.

bowmanz607 wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Killer's Blade is an execute and doesnt do anymore damage then executioner. So no, I dont have a problem with it. But you want to talk about balance when this isnt actually balance. Not every class has a scaleable class ultimate with Mighty. Now only DK and Nightblade do. Your argument of balance is null in my opinion.

The fact that only NB and DK have Ults that scale off Mighty is exactly why the change was a good one. Like I said before, Magicka Ults have been scaling off CPs this whole time. Not at least two two Stam classes have Ults that scale. So yes, this a step closure to balance from a Magicka vs. Stamina perspective.

Stam Sorcs got an atro if I'm not mistaken.

Well there ya go. 3/4.

Wasn't Incap Strike an unused morph? It pails in comparison to the Ult gen of Soul harvest, Imo. So it makes sense they tried to boost the other morph a bit.