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Crating Bag Exclusivity is Unfair
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Tommy1979AtWar✭✭✭✭I'd be interested to see the sales numbers if they offered it as an option for all at a reasonable price (1500 crowns).
My guess is they'd make more than with subs tbh because even though I'd be clicking the purchase crowns button with gritted teeth and mumbling obscenities at having to purchase something that should be ingame anyway for free... I'd probably still buy it.1 -
NovaMarx✭✭✭✭✭The bag is fair, and here is why:
- Subscribers keep the game funded. Yes you have bought the game, and some buy the occasional costume from the Crown Store, but to keep the game going the backers need funding (no one works for free!!!)
- Having gone from subscription based to B2P, the game is now dependent on its remaining subscribers, and those who sporadically buy content - the latter of which is an unstable income. Making it more attractive to sub is an excellent business model, as it will ensure more subscribers.
- The perks from subscribing are bordering pointless, and sometimes annoying. Yes we have an extra 10% bonus for certain things - but outleveling areas faster than you can arrive to them isn't all that awesome.
- It is only a bag, which enables you to have more stuff! Character slots are going to be purchasable in Crown Store with the next DLC, so those who don't sub can make an extra mule if they really need it.
- It is no more Pay2Win than being able to buy motifs, crafting materials, soul gems, and other consumables from the Crown Store.
All in all - Bring on the bags!!!
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✭✭✭✭✭Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I'd be interested to see the sales numbers if they offered it as an option for all at a reasonable price (1500 crowns).
My guess is they'd make more than with subs tbh because even though I'd be clicking the purchase crowns button with gritted teeth and mumbling obscenities at having to purchase something that should be ingame anyway for free... I'd probably still buy it.
EVERY MMO I have played has had limited inventory with 'purchasable' upgrades... note I said 'upgrades' but nothing compared to the crafting bag the ESO+ is receiving... and should receive. Other MMOs if you want more space, you constantly have to buy more inventory slots... nothing was ever given 'for free'. If you want to be a hoarder, if you want to max all craft and keep every tiny crafting mat, then clearly you are spending enough time playing ESO that should justify becoming a subscriber anyway. If not, then you clearly aren't as devoted to this game as you claim. I seriously doubt there are that many non-subscribers that feel the same way as some others here clearly do... that players should receive something for nothing and that subscribers should continue to receive nothing for something.CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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KanedaSyndrome✭✭✭✭Its absolutely fair. ESO + subscribers dont really get any worthwhile perks. We just pay a sub out of blind loyalty. Its about time we got something useful
Ehm, you get crowns each month equivalent to the monthly fee if I'm not mistaken. So you're pretty much on a recurring crown purchase payment plan, and on top of that you get all content unlocked without a need for purchase + additional buffs like 10% reduction on research timers if I recall correctly.
Whether your motives are blind loyalty I can not say. I buy crowns when I feel they put something up in the crown store that I want. I'm all for more Quality of Life features being added like loot filters and such.
Also, those that don't pay a sub, benefit the game as well, via what's called the network effect. The more people that use a service, the more desirable this service becomes. Facebook and social media lives on this effect, and MMOs do as well to a high degree. This is why the B2P and F2P models are so powerful. Even people that don't spend money on the game still earn the game money by strengthening the network effect, and thus making the game more desirable to other players, that may spend money. I do feel though that we need to strike a balance between the quality of the old P2P MMOs and the newer B2P/F2P models, as the latter tend to of less quality.KanedaSyndrome's Suggestions For Game Improvements
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✭KanedaSyndrome wrote: »Ehm, you get crowns each month equivalent to the monthly fee if I'm not mistaken. So you're pretty much on a recurring crown purchase payment plan, and on top of that you get all content unlocked without a need for purchase + additional buffs like 10% reduction on research timers if I recall correctly.
Wow! That sounds like an awesome deal! And the crafting bags will make it even better! Maybe you should, you know, subscribe
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KanedaSyndrome✭✭✭✭strikeback1247 wrote: »KanedaSyndrome wrote: »Ehm, you get crowns each month equivalent to the monthly fee if I'm not mistaken. So you're pretty much on a recurring crown purchase payment plan, and on top of that you get all content unlocked without a need for purchase + additional buffs like 10% reduction on research timers if I recall correctly.
Wow! That sounds like an awesome deal! And the crafting bags will make it even better! Maybe you should, you know, subscribe
I would if I felt they offered me something I wanted. If I were to subscribe I'd quickly end up with far more crowns than I could ever spend, as almost everything that comes out is cosmetics, and I'm a limited customer in that department, yes, I do get a costume once in a while, but it's quite rare. And you can of course argue that I may end up subscribing because of the crafting bag, but I may also make like a donkey and put my heels into the ground out of pure stubbornness.Edited by KanedaSyndrome on April 24, 2016 9:14AMKanedaSyndrome's Suggestions For Game Improvements
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NovaMarx✭✭✭✭✭strikeback1247 wrote: »KanedaSyndrome wrote: »Ehm, you get crowns each month equivalent to the monthly fee if I'm not mistaken. So you're pretty much on a recurring crown purchase payment plan, and on top of that you get all content unlocked without a need for purchase + additional buffs like 10% reduction on research timers if I recall correctly.
Wow! That sounds like an awesome deal! And the crafting bags will make it even better! Maybe you should, you know, subscribe
^ This. Many people are stating how ESO+ already has a ton of benefits, and using it as an argument for why the bag will be OP. If subscribing is so incredible awesome and OP, why don't people just sub? "Feet are for walking. Hands are for hitting. Or shaking. Or waving. Sometimes for clapping."
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NovaMarx✭✭✭✭✭KanedaSyndrome wrote: »strikeback1247 wrote: »KanedaSyndrome wrote: »Ehm, you get crowns each month equivalent to the monthly fee if I'm not mistaken. So you're pretty much on a recurring crown purchase payment plan, and on top of that you get all content unlocked without a need for purchase + additional buffs like 10% reduction on research timers if I recall correctly.
Wow! That sounds like an awesome deal! And the crafting bags will make it even better! Maybe you should, you know, subscribe
I would if I felt they offered me something I wanted. If I were to subscribe I'd quickly end up with far more crowns than I could ever spend, as almost everything that comes our is cosmetics, and I'm a limited customer in that department, yes, I do get a costume once in a while, but it's quite rare. And you can of course argue that I may end up subscribing because of the crafting bag, but I may also make like a donkey and put my heels into the ground out of pure stubbornness.
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Wanderinlost✭✭✭The bag is fair, and here is why:
- Subscribers keep the game funded. Yes you have bought the game, and some buy the occasional costume from the Crown Store, but to keep the game going the backers need funding (no one works for free!!!)
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If that were true they would never have gone B2P. 4 DLC in a year and presumably a new one every quarter. The cost of upgrades such as the crafting bag itself. Not like we are asking to get it for free. A $50 bag bought buy 100k people is significant and who knows it could be higher than that in the long run.
- Having gone from subscription based to B2P, the game is now dependent on its remaining subscribers, and those who sporadically buy content - the latter of which is an unstable income. Making it more attractive to sub is an excellent business model, as it will ensure more subscribers.
How does the feature being available on the crown store make ESO+ any less attractive? How does the game doing B2P make it dependant on subscribers? If it could have depended on subscribers then it would not have had to go B2P. If anything the opposite is true and the game would be back to where it was without B2P/DLC sales. I will agree making the sub more attractive is good sense, but how does that equate to not selling it on the crown store?
- The perks from subscribing are bordering pointless, and sometimes annoying. Yes we have an extra 10% bonus for certain things - but outleveling areas faster than you can arrive to them isn't all that awesome.
1500mo/18k crowns per year, 10%gold/craft/xp, all access to content and crafting bag. Yeah real pointless.
- It is only a bag, which enables you to have more stuff! Character slots are going to be purchasable in Crown Store with the next DLC, so those who don't sub can make an extra mule if they really need it.
-muling went out of style in the D2 era. Tried it in ESO for the first time in 15 years and it was a whole day or two before I started to hate this game and its terrible lack of efficient inventory.
- It is no more Pay2Win than being able to buy motifs, crafting materials, soul gems, and other consumables from the Crown Store.
pay for more space= more loot = more sales = more gold = more purchases = more game power = more win
In general I wouldn't call it P2W although inventory always has been to a small extent.
All in all - Bring on the bags!!!0 -
I subscribe and love that we are getting this perk. What we get to this point is negligible and not totally worth it as it would cost less just to purchase the DLC through the store.
That said the big argument I see here is that we purchase the DLC through the store so we should get something that subscribers only get for a price.
Subscribers purchase stuff through the store all the time I known people who subscribe that put on average $50 a month into store for scrolls, motiffs, costumes, mounts, and some purchase the DLC also so in the future if do cancel sub can have everything still available.
So subscribers support it through buying crowns also. Not just a subscription.
I just wanted to point that flaw in that logic.
While me personally I will love my new space it isn't a must have. If they do put it in store would want to be as expensive or more than the assistants are now ($50).
I hope they don't because it really makes me subbing feel like it will actually be worth it. If they do I won't lose any sleep over it.2 -
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✭Wanderinlost wrote: »I am not saying that ESO+ should not get the bag, but why should us who have supported this game through buy to play be given the same option, to buy the crafting bag with crowns.
doubt that will last for long - once the consoleros realise that they are "double charged" (actually tripplecharged as most were buying DLCs instead o using ESO+ anyway) to get the crafting bags the uproar will make it puchasable via crowns in a heart beat...Edited by Tankqull on April 24, 2016 9:38AMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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Aimora✭✭✭✭✭ESO+ needs a reason to get people to subscribe, this is perfect as far as I am concerned, I have been subscribing since the beginning of the game because I want to support the game, if this brings in more subscribers then that's good for the future of the game!
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Tommy1979AtWar✭✭✭✭Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »I'd be interested to see the sales numbers if they offered it as an option for all at a reasonable price (1500 crowns).
My guess is they'd make more than with subs tbh because even though I'd be clicking the purchase crowns button with gritted teeth and mumbling obscenities at having to purchase something that should be ingame anyway for free... I'd probably still buy it.
EVERY MMO I have played has had limited inventory with 'purchasable' upgrades... note I said 'upgrades' but nothing compared to the crafting bag the ESO+ is receiving... and should receive. Other MMOs if you want more space, you constantly have to buy more inventory slots... nothing was ever given 'for free'. If you want to be a hoarder, if you want to max all craft and keep every tiny crafting mat, then clearly you are spending enough time playing ESO that should justify becoming a subscriber anyway. If not, then you clearly aren't as devoted to this game as you claim. I seriously doubt there are that many non-subscribers that feel the same way as some others here clearly do... that players should receive something for nothing and that subscribers should continue to receive nothing for something.
I can max out a few mules for free... you've missed the point I was making which is that it's a convenience item for something that shouldn't be an inconvenience, also had you read my previous posts before your suppositions and accusations you'd have read that I'm in support of ESO+ members having exclusive items but don't believe crafting bags alone are a worthwhile reason to sub, if anything I believe ESO+ subs should recieve more but hey who am I to argue if you guys are happy with what you're getting now.
You'd also have read my comments regarding dividing the community and an us vs them mentality, not helping to better the community in my opinion but again it's just my own.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Wanderinlost wrote: »this is your opinion,no facts. i could tell you that most of my guilds that are non-subbed are actually re-subbing because of this feature,BTW its also your opnion that it is "major". i thought the clouded senche mount was major,and i missed it,but im not crying about it.my retort is bolded,sorry im on my phone and it hates these forumsWanderinlost wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »Pretty much the same arguments can be made on both sides for anything ESO+ gets that others do not. Whatever it is, it will be the one thing SOMEONE can't live without, and would regard the game as broken without it. Maybe not you, but someone will see it that way.
For example, I've seen long arguments about whether ESO+ getting an experience bonus was P2W or not, and therefore unfair. And on the other side I've seen lots of complaints from ESO+ subscribers that they get nothing worth subscribing for. Either way, it's always something.
There is a major distinction between each pay method. ESO+ is all inclusive and all access. B2P/DLC is one time payment per transaction. Both have value and both classes of customer are important. Putting a major QoL feature behind ESO+ is a major problem for everyone in the B2P/DLC camp.
this is your opinion,no facts. i could tell you that most of my guilds that are non-subbed are actually re-subbing because of this feature,BTW its also your opnion that it is "major". i thought the clouded senche mount was major,and i missed it,but im not crying about it.
Most of us are here and remain customers because of B2P and DLC. We expect to at the very least be able to have all the options of ESO+ although we do expect there to be a pricetag attached. ESO+ member may provide a higher revenue per customer, but there are more of us. How much more only Zenimax knows, but look at it this way, if this game did not go B2P where would it be right now? How much content would even be out at this point on the revenue ESO+ generates without its DLC and crown sales?
more opinion,no facts,and why would you expect to have all the options we as ESO+ members have? so a coach class passenger has the same ride as a first class? you noticed the "+" right?
They are essentially choosing not to serve an entire half of their customer a much desired feature in order to get more to subscribe. That is not cool. There is nothing wrong with including more incentive for ESO+ but at the same time it benefits not one player to exclude one side of the ESO playerbase. Switching payment models for a single feature should be an option but not a necessity to get access. It is underhanded and lowers the value of all previous purchases. What use is DLC and crowns if you have full access? People have many reason for choosing how they pay but they should not be pushed into an arrangement they did not sign up for to get a major feature. Choice and flexibility is good, and it is(was) why ESO has made a rebound.
still more opinions, no facts. half,1/4,1/8 doesnt matter what you say with out proof. the whole point of ESO+ is incentive to sub, what your arguing is justifying not being subbed. your already being rewarded for not subbing,YOU DONT PAY THE SUB TO PLAY!!
1)If so many people you know are re-subbing then that would indicate that my opinion of it being major feature is indeed correct and others you know agree.
2)An airline customer does have the same options. The can choose to pay extra for an upgrade, they can buy better food, insurance etc. But this isn't an airline. It's a game, and its digital software run on servers. A plane has physical limitations and resources, and a game well there are few limitations and selling a particular feature is not one of them.
3) We pay for crowns to buy DLC and other good and we would pay for the crafting bag. ESO+ does not and is rewarded with crown stipend, bonuses, and soon a crafting bag. I base my opinions and observations on proof although I am not going to provide you with my receipts.
I have plenty of facts although the only people with hard facts are Beth/Zeni. However there is more than enough facts and history about B2P and subscriptions out there. Having spent the last 20 years playing online games and having watched the evolution of MMO monetization closely over the last 10 making an opinion on this matter is pretty straight forward. What they are doing here is screwing a segment of their clients into ESO+ by denying them a highly desirable QoL improvement we as customers have long requested.
if this were true, youd know its eventually gonna be in the crown store anyways,consoles..hello?0 -
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✭ESO+ needs a reason to get people to subscribe, this is perfect as far as I am concerned, I have been subscribing since the beginning of the game because I want to support the game, if this brings in more subscribers then that's good for the future of the game!
Too bad it will have the opposite effect for many people. I will never ever subscribe as long as this crafting bag remains sub only. I'm not promoting this disgusting thing.2 -
Aimora✭✭✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »ESO+ needs a reason to get people to subscribe, this is perfect as far as I am concerned, I have been subscribing since the beginning of the game because I want to support the game, if this brings in more subscribers then that's good for the future of the game!
Too bad it will have the opposite effect for many people. I will never ever subscribe as long as this crafting bag remains sub only. I'm not promoting this disgusting thing.
That's you prerogative of course but in game the general consensus is that it's a great plus and many of my friends/guildies will be resubbing for this feature - so well done to ZOS for making this a ESO+ exclusive Aimora Gilidhren - 50 Hybrid Sorcerer
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✭✭✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »ESO+ needs a reason to get people to subscribe, this is perfect as far as I am concerned, I have been subscribing since the beginning of the game because I want to support the game, if this brings in more subscribers then that's good for the future of the game!
Too bad it will have the opposite effect for many people. I will never ever subscribe as long as this crafting bag remains sub only. I'm not promoting this disgusting thing.
That's you prerogative of course but in game the general consensus is that it's a great plus and many of my friends/guildies will be resubbing for this feature - so well done to ZOS for making this a ESO+ exclusive
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✭clocksstoppe wrote: »ESO+ needs a reason to get people to subscribe, this is perfect as far as I am concerned, I have been subscribing since the beginning of the game because I want to support the game, if this brings in more subscribers then that's good for the future of the game!
Too bad it will have the opposite effect for many people. I will never ever subscribe as long as this crafting bag remains sub only. I'm not promoting this disgusting thing.
That's you prerogative of course but in game the general consensus is that it's a great plus and many of my friends/guildies will be resubbing for this feature - so well done to ZOS for making this a ESO+ exclusive
I can't blame you for doing it, but know this: You are setting up this precedent which might degenerate to something awful in the future. If the gap between subs and nonsubs widens too much (thanks to stuff like crafting bag), the community will suffer alot.
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Aimora✭✭✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »ESO+ needs a reason to get people to subscribe, this is perfect as far as I am concerned, I have been subscribing since the beginning of the game because I want to support the game, if this brings in more subscribers then that's good for the future of the game!
Too bad it will have the opposite effect for many people. I will never ever subscribe as long as this crafting bag remains sub only. I'm not promoting this disgusting thing.
That's you prerogative of course but in game the general consensus is that it's a great plus and many of my friends/guildies will be resubbing for this feature - so well done to ZOS for making this a ESO+ exclusive
I can't blame you for doing it, but know this: You are setting up this precedent which might degenerate to something awful in the future. If the gap between subs and nonsubs widens too much (thanks to stuff like crafting bag), the community will suffer alot.
My 2 cents: say no to it while you can.
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Wanderinlost✭✭✭if this were true, youd know its eventually gonna be in the crown store anyways,consoles..hello?
Yeah so another 3-12 months after dark brotherhood we will get the bag in the store, maybe. We have been dealing with inventory inadequacies since this game launched 2 years ago. I was tired of waiting a year ago. If the consolers manage to get this reversed then great.clocksstoppe wrote: »ESO+ needs a reason to get people to subscribe, this is perfect as far as I am concerned, I have been subscribing since the beginning of the game because I want to support the game, if this brings in more subscribers then that's good for the future of the game!
Too bad it will have the opposite effect for many people. I will never ever subscribe as long as this crafting bag remains sub only. I'm not promoting this disgusting thing.
It is the exact way to turn otherwise loyal long term customer into a hostile one and a tourist. Never buy any crowns, sub once or twice a year and get your fill for $15-$30, and at the same time reap the full benefits of ESO+/crafting bag.1 -
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✭strikeback1247 wrote: »KanedaSyndrome wrote: »Ehm, you get crowns each month equivalent to the monthly fee if I'm not mistaken. So you're pretty much on a recurring crown purchase payment plan, and on top of that you get all content unlocked without a need for purchase + additional buffs like 10% reduction on research timers if I recall correctly.
Wow! That sounds like an awesome deal! And the crafting bags will make it even better! Maybe you should, you know, subscribe
^ This. Many people are stating how ESO+ already has a ton of benefits, and using it as an argument for why the bag will be OP. If subscribing is so incredible awesome and OP, why don't people just sub?
Because the majority of us are greedy. Me? I'm glad that as a non-subber that subscriptions are actually getting something worth while. However some people don't seem to think that subscriptions aren't as steady as microtransactions or that microtransactions pool in more revenue than subscriptions. Which if that were the case, then that's probably another reason WHY it's an ESO+ luxury item due to subscriptions dropping. But all that's purely hypothetical, though. But to add to the lulz to your statement...
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Darkonflare15✭✭✭✭✭Wanderinlost wrote: »this is your opinion,no facts. i could tell you that most of my guilds that are non-subbed are actually re-subbing because of this feature,BTW its also your opnion that it is "major". i thought the clouded senche mount was major,and i missed it,but im not crying about it.my retort is bolded,sorry im on my phone and it hates these forumsWanderinlost wrote: »ContraTempo wrote: »Pretty much the same arguments can be made on both sides for anything ESO+ gets that others do not. Whatever it is, it will be the one thing SOMEONE can't live without, and would regard the game as broken without it. Maybe not you, but someone will see it that way.
For example, I've seen long arguments about whether ESO+ getting an experience bonus was P2W or not, and therefore unfair. And on the other side I've seen lots of complaints from ESO+ subscribers that they get nothing worth subscribing for. Either way, it's always something.
There is a major distinction between each pay method. ESO+ is all inclusive and all access. B2P/DLC is one time payment per transaction. Both have value and both classes of customer are important. Putting a major QoL feature behind ESO+ is a major problem for everyone in the B2P/DLC camp.
this is your opinion,no facts. i could tell you that most of my guilds that are non-subbed are actually re-subbing because of this feature,BTW its also your opnion that it is "major". i thought the clouded senche mount was major,and i missed it,but im not crying about it.
Most of us are here and remain customers because of B2P and DLC. We expect to at the very least be able to have all the options of ESO+ although we do expect there to be a pricetag attached. ESO+ member may provide a higher revenue per customer, but there are more of us. How much more only Zenimax knows, but look at it this way, if this game did not go B2P where would it be right now? How much content would even be out at this point on the revenue ESO+ generates without its DLC and crown sales?
more opinion,no facts,and why would you expect to have all the options we as ESO+ members have? so a coach class passenger has the same ride as a first class? you noticed the "+" right?
They are essentially choosing not to serve an entire half of their customer a much desired feature in order to get more to subscribe. That is not cool. There is nothing wrong with including more incentive for ESO+ but at the same time it benefits not one player to exclude one side of the ESO playerbase. Switching payment models for a single feature should be an option but not a necessity to get access. It is underhanded and lowers the value of all previous purchases. What use is DLC and crowns if you have full access? People have many reason for choosing how they pay but they should not be pushed into an arrangement they did not sign up for to get a major feature. Choice and flexibility is good, and it is(was) why ESO has made a rebound.
still more opinions, no facts. half,1/4,1/8 doesnt matter what you say with out proof. the whole point of ESO+ is incentive to sub, what your arguing is justifying not being subbed. your already being rewarded for not subbing,YOU DONT PAY THE SUB TO PLAY!!
1)If so many people you know are re-subbing then that would indicate that my opinion of it being major feature is indeed correct and others you know agree.
2)An airline customer does have the same options. The can choose to pay extra for an upgrade, they can buy better food, insurance etc. But this isn't an airline. It's a game, and its digital software run on servers. A plane has physical limitations and resources, and a game well there are few limitations and selling a particular feature is not one of them.
3) We pay for crowns to buy DLC and other good and we would pay for the crafting bag. ESO+ does not and is rewarded with crown stipend, bonuses, and soon a crafting bag. I base my opinions and observations on proof although I am not going to provide you with my receipts.
I have plenty of facts although the only people with hard facts are Beth/Zeni. However there is more than enough facts and history about B2P and subscriptions out there. Having spent the last 20 years playing online games and having watched the evolution of MMO monetization closely over the last 10 making an opinion on this matter is pretty straight forward. What they are doing here is screwing a segment of their clients into ESO+ by denying them a highly desirable QoL improvement we as customers have long requested.
To be honest, the straight truth is this is an incentive for subbing. This has nothing to do with loyalty or how much you willing to pay for. Zos decided to put something of worth behind the sub. You are not denied anything. You have the freedom to buy the subscription to get the crafting bag. If you do want the subscription you do not get the crafting bags. No decision is going make it right when it comes to monetization since everybody has an opinion on how much their money is worth. Regardless on any decision somebody is going to be screwed. In general you cannot please everybody and not all customers want the same thing. A harsh truth is that there are people who do not want the subscription devalue which is going to happen if they implement it into the crown store with the same benefits of the subscription. Their want is just as much right as your want.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »
so shouldnt we subscribers be complaining not the unsubscribed?
why is there 8 pages of discussion on who should get it?
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cause i dont have credit card and by any means cant make it either in this 3rd world country
fml right?
if ZoS allowed us to pay eso+ with steam wallet it would be another story, but as for now they not allowed it, steam wallet only usable on buying crown, thus how i support the game"i will walk through the fog, as i welcome death"0 -
Tommy1979AtWar✭✭✭✭Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »
so shouldnt we subscribers be complaining not the unsubscribed?
why is there 8 pages of discussion on who should get it?
smh
I guess so, as I've previously stated I personally believe you guys should get more, it's just a shame they've locked this much needed convenience behind the sub wall, I think it would have generated more income had it been a crown store purchase item, as it stands now you could sub for a month just to put your crafting items in then unsub until it's empty.
I guess they've nothing else to offer you guys though so there it is.
More division in the community where there really shouldn't be, neither side are really wrong in my eyes.
Edited by Tommy1979AtWar on April 24, 2016 10:27AM0
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