Yes I would love more fights where I have to hit triangle circle (worst button combination in the game) aim with the right stick and hit the same horribly designed button combination with the same finger.

Whoever thought of the synergy button on the controller should be beaten in the head with one.

Don't you think if all players had to learn mechanics, because say the boss enrages if you burn 33% of his health before a mechanic, they would all improve? If this held true, the general skill level of players would increase and lead to easier PUG's in the long run.

And yes I understand the challenge of PUG's as I run them all the time with the only non-DD toon in the entirety of ESO.

you mean like they did with VICP second boss? the one that players complian about because they cant learn his mechanics?

@sigsergv I've said it before, others have said it before, I'll say it again, don't expect a perfectly balanced team in the GF. If your build is inflexible, you will most likely have a bad time. Content is still completable. It's just that harder things are harder. What a surprise...

Ajaxduo wrote: »

Sounds like you are just playing with toxic players/elitists. Anyone who plays a DPS will desire to do their best, it's their role after all. That in itself isn't a bad thing. But as someone else said the new trial has some good lengthy fights. Maybe join a guild and start a progression team with mixed levels of experience? I get you, the progression curve is fun. But a lot of the content has been out for so long most players know the 'drill' hence making it trivial and now we're supposedly getting a nerf to vCoA vWGT etc in the near future so...Vet Sanctum and Lorkhaj will be where the challenge is at.

They sure are not trying their best. Watched a vet 1 heavy attacking mobs over and over on the first pull of a GF I was the leader of.

I kicked him so fast I think his modem shut off. And I'll do it again too.

sigsergv wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

you mean like they did with VICP second boss? the one that players complian about because they cant learn his mechanics?

Yeah, like that. Everyone can learn mechanics, not everyone can master DPS to insane values.

not everyone can do those mechanics hence the complaints and nerf cry. stopping ppl from dpsing through them wont help those ppl as you tend to find those who can dps through can also manage mechanics

Bossdonut wrote: »

Yes I would love more fights where I have to hit triangle circle (worst button combination in the game) aim with the right stick and hit the same horribly designed button combination with the same finger.

Whoever thought of the synergy button on the controller should be beaten in the head with one.

I use an Xbox controller (I currently don't have one and my playing has gone downhill tremendously using keyboard/mouse) and synergy is left/right bumper. Extremely easy and ergonomic. So much easier than pressing X on keyboard in middle of a hectic fight when I'm trying to dodge around

Bossdonut wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

Sounds like you are just playing with toxic players/elitists. Anyone who plays a DPS will desire to do their best, it's their role after all. That in itself isn't a bad thing. But as someone else said the new trial has some good lengthy fights. Maybe join a guild and start a progression team with mixed levels of experience? I get you, the progression curve is fun. But a lot of the content has been out for so long most players know the 'drill' hence making it trivial and now we're supposedly getting a nerf to vCoA vWGT etc in the near future so...Vet Sanctum and Lorkhaj will be where the challenge is at.

They sure are not trying their best. Watched a vet 1 heavy attacking mobs over and over on the first pull of a GF I was the leader of.

I kicked him so fast I think his modem shut off. And I'll do it again too.

I have noticed this to, group finder does hold a lot of inexperienced players which I guess is good if you want a chilled out run. I have gave the odd player hints and tips on how to improve and such, obviously it's not for everyone but it's an option. As for the crashes yeah I have noticed that most group finder instances are susceptible to crashes...no idea why

lathbury wrote: »

Im talking about what your asking for some bosses also do heavy damage over time should we stop healing race to?

Healing (and tanking) fits perfectly in my model. I'm not proposing to lower damage from mobs/bosses, just force people to do something smarter than just burst DPS for a minute.

sigsergv wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

I don't like to stop fighting and wait for the boss to do his mechanics. It's already bad enough that I have to do it in some dungeons like CoH to get the gold key. In my opinion it would be better to add some kind of nightmare mode where bosses have so much hp that you just can't burst them down.

If you need to wait for mechanics step then it's a bad mechanics.

Nightmare mode will make gap between pro-elite and normal players a lot wider.

A casual player probably wouldn't do nightmare mode, these would be for the ones who desire a real challenge.

Have you ever played FFXIV:ARR? well there are raids known as "The Binding Coils of Bahamut" these were hard at 1st but as players got better they became easier, so SE made "The Binding Coils of Bahamut (Savage). Savage was the the way the raid was originally made by Devs before they made changes to make it easier for the player base. It was fun to play those Savage mode bosses and even got unique titles for completing them but it didn't offer those who beat special rewards it would be the same as the normal version.

So I agree with the idea of a "Nightmare mode" to please the more hardcore gamers that play MMOs for reasons like that and the normal for the casual gamer.

Also please don't label 2 different groups as "pro-elite and normal players" Try, Elite and Casual. It's less insulting. We are all normal player (hopefully) lol.

You can't and shouldn't change how people want to play. If I build a high dps character because that's how I like to play, I should be able to. Zos just needs to factor burns when they design every boss and avoid dps races (i.e. Enrages).

sigsergv wrote: »

lathbury wrote: »

Im talking about what your asking for some bosses also do heavy damage over time should we stop healing race to?

Healing (and tanking) fits perfectly in my model. I'm not proposing to lower damage from mobs/bosses, just force people to do something smarter than just burst DPS for a minute.

as i said these mechanics already exist

lathbury wrote: »

as i said these mechanics already exist

Where?

CP allows people to burn through dungeons like crazy now. I remember in the beginning of 1.6 when 10-15k DPS whas considered good, now I see people pumping 40k DPS.

sigsergv wrote: »

Now all top-level players completely ignore most dungeon mechanics and just burn bosses in seconds. I don't think it was intended by ZOS. So we need complete dungeons overhaul to stop DPS race. There are few options but I like one: overwhelming damage must be punished, ignoring a dungeon mechanics must be punished. Boss could enrage and one-shot random player, for example. Boss fights should not be so stupid as they are now for top-level players.

Please add some smart elements in fights that could not be ignored/passed by overwhelming damage output.

punishing dps for being awesome at their job ??? Whatever drugs you're on, I gotta try that some day too...

Trust me on this: Those top DPS players that really rock in dungeons and blast through everything like it's a joke are in fact very experienced players that do know the mechanics very very well and do not skip them at all. These guys just became (through learning their class and the game mechanics and then a million practise until it became second nature) able to optimize their dps rotations while not standing in stupid and respected all game and fiight mechanics seamlessly into the mix

I can imagine that you get frustrated from new players trying to imitate those top players by skipping all the mechanics, just spam dps buttons and then don't understand why they die or why their dps is nothing like what they hoped it would be. But that's just new players or bad players and a whole different thing

As a dedicated healer since this game was still in beta and up till today still runnings both dailies with pugs as well as having completed all dungeon/raid content including MOL normal I have had the luxury of watching alot of different DPS from my backseat position and after a while the difference becomes ridiculously obvious.

I'll tell you something else about watching those real master DPS in action: they require ALOT less healing and seldom die, exactly because they respect all those mechanics. Even when you as a healer get stunned, knocked or overcome they always have a shield or selfheal ready on their bars as a panic button to cover those few seconds without healing while the wannabies drop like flies the second you stop your constant healing floods on them.

If you're a dps, take a lesson from these observations