Important point to remember is that there was nothing in the patch notes about removing ALL mundas buffs. That was a bug, from the intended effect of fixing TBS set. I read the patch notes, and had no idea my mundas was missing until the topic came up in game chat. There may have been some "oops, we goofed" post on the forum, but nothing was communicated in-game for the PC either. There may still be PC players who have yet to realize the buff is gone. Though I find it inexcusable, I am not surprised that not only did the same bug release to the console, but again, it was left to players to get the word out to other players. I'm not surprised because zos only likes to communicate rainbows and unicorns. We all get the shaft when it comes to being informed by zos. And again for those whose mantra has been 'read the patch notes', it wasn't in the patch notes.

What tools do consoles have to promote better communication within the community?

I don't disagree that Zeni should have better and more transparent communication. In the absence of that, the PC community has done a great job of filling that gap for ourselves. Most guildmasters and/or officers frequent the forum and Reddit. We then send important info to our guildmates via MOTD updates (vanilla UI) and guild mail (via addons). Most of my guilds used these methods to let everybody know to check and replace their mundus boon.

What steps can console users take to help your fellow players?

Reverb wrote: »

What tools do consoles have to promote better communication within the community?

I don't disagree that Zeni should have better and more transparent communication. In the absence of that, the PC community has done a great job of filling that gap for ourselves. Most guildmasters and/or officers frequent the forum and Reddit. We then send important info to our guildmates via MOTD updates (vanilla UI) and guild mail (via addons). Most of my guilds used these methods to let everybody know to check and replace their mundus boon.

What steps can console users take to help your fellow players?

Not necessary, nor should it be. Community addons, mods or in-game "MotD" updates don't not make a wrong a right.

ILLESTGLIDER wrote: »

How difficult is it to put update info in the login screen designed to contain this info. It is just using this screen for its intended purpose lol. How are people even arguing against this?

How difficult is it to check your character? I for one often switch mundus stones for PvE and PvP and when I do either and forget to switch my mundus I notice the difference. How are you even arguing against that?

Valrien wrote: »

ILLESTGLIDER wrote: »

How difficult is it to put update info in the login screen designed to contain this info. It is just using this screen for its intended purpose lol. How are people even arguing against this?

How difficult is it to check your character? I for one often switch mundus stones for PvE and PvP and when I do either and forget to switch my mundus I notice the difference. How are you even arguing against that?

I also don't get, how hard it is to look at the official forum when i notice "oh there's a new patch", srsly...there must be a change, if not, there wouldn't be any patch at all. Even if there were a big popup, i'm sure some would just close it and never notice anything.

Do you console-guys get a message when a new patch is beeing installed?

Destruent wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

ILLESTGLIDER wrote: »

How difficult is it to put update info in the login screen designed to contain this info. It is just using this screen for its intended purpose lol. How are people even arguing against this?

How difficult is it to check your character? I for one often switch mundus stones for PvE and PvP and when I do either and forget to switch my mundus I notice the difference. How are you even arguing against that?

I also don't get, how hard it is to look at the official forum when i notice "oh there's a new patch", srsly...there must be a change, if not, there wouldn't be any patch at all. Even if there were a big popup, i'm sure some would just close it and never notice anything.

Do you console-guys get a message when a new patch is beeing installed?

and again, not the point...

Put changes to your current character set up due to the patch on the console since they have an area at login for that.

They have 3 community managers that I know of, only asking one of them to write 2 sentences.

They we able to update it during the cake time. If that's what it takes, just add a cake with no benefits so we get some notice of changes to our current character setup (especially since resent patches have never changed out character buffs)

What gets me is that every time there is a crown store change you get a huge notification anytime you log on. So they obviously don't have any issue with implementation. I guess if it isn't something you aren't going to whip your wallet out for they just have time to notify you in game. Also, for those people saying that everyone should just check the "natch potes" on the forums to stay updated: Have you read these forums?!?!? Most of my guild members stay far away from the forums because of their toxic nature. The needless arguing on this thread being a wonderful example.

ShadowChopper1 wrote: »

I see the concept of "not everyone wants to or has to be like you" is a very difficult concept. But let me put it like this, if they post the update information in the actual update area, I would not be here commenting. And I believe that would be good for all parties involved. But alas! That is not the case and so here I am, wondering why a few self serving individuals believe they are the examples of what all mankind and game players in particular should strive to be.

Actually in the login screen they do post that the newest patch is live.

ILLESTGLIDER wrote: »

What gets me is that every time there is a crown store change you get a huge notification anytime you log on. So they obviously don't have any issue with implementation. I guess if it isn't something you aren't going to whip your wallet out for they just have time to notify you in game. Also, for those people saying that everyone should just check the "natch potes" on the forums to stay updated: Have you read these forums?!?!? Most of my guild members stay far away from the forums because of their toxic nature. The needless arguing on this thread being a wonderful example.

That's their fault. There's an entire subforum devoted to patch notes with zero toxicity.

Sorry was on with my Doc, still not the point, recent patches did not remove buffs...

Post that our buff needs applied again in the login area....

ShadowChopper1 wrote: »

Actually, the only place I found patch notes was on the website and those aren't updated for console lime they are for pc. Much to your dismay, I was told they were found in the forum. I know, sucks for you guys because now I'm here.
Anyway, Zos also never sent invite codes to register for the forums to most of us digital download people. Many of my guild mates would also like to comment in this thread.
TV specifically asked me to post this quote "I still lolz at the guy telling console players to read pc patch notes. Does it look like I give a flying *** about anything that happens on PC? There's a reason I play on CONSOLE".
He figured since you already think I'm a *** for telling you I don't want to be like you that I wouldn't mind.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/260737/xbox-one-patch-notes-v1-3-1-0#latest

Developer Note: We have completely overhauled the Mundus Stone buff system, fixing several issues in the process. All characters with active Mundus Stone buffs will have them removed upon login. The Mundus Stone buff system now remembers the order in which the buffs were applied, and removes buffs in the correct order when using the Twice-Born Star item set.

@ShadowChopper1 Just thought I'd let you know.

Sorry, was currently watching TV, and not trying to be a littleman here, but console players in general want to login and play for a couple hours then get back to real life.

Just post critical changes to a players account in the login screen.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

As the post you quoted mentioned, the informed us that changes were made at the login screen. They even offered us a link to the patch notes to make it easy for us to find out.

Maybe it is just me, but I read the patch notes vs play the game with my head stuck in the ground.

You haven't read this thread at all.

Console. Displaying a URL doesn't have the same effect as it does on PC.

Again, the point is to fix the lazy and inefficient current form of adding a "lawl here's a link" at login and using the UI with full details. Drop external sources. Not everyone uses the forums, nor should they have to.

Once again, all you're doing is proving two wrongs don't make a right.

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Forums are for discussion I thought?

I was posting a discussion on why they do not communicate removal of character buffs on the login interface of the xbox one. Why should I avoid doing that?

If the PC patch notes are the same as the console patch notes, then why don't they just call them Patch Notes for all Updates.

I understand that the PC players on here want to defend the game or ZOS. I am not attacking them. I am asking "why" we cannot get proper communication on the Xbox login screen, especially buffs being removed from our characters.

Stop using logic! That's like "crossing the streams"! You just don't do it. Forums are not for discussion. So, while we discuss discussing this, we need to stop discussing the discussing, while discussing the discussion.

I believe anytime that an intended change to a character is made, an announcement at login should be required as part of standard operating procedure, regardless of platform.

For an unintended change, it should also be done after the bug or feature is caught if it isn't corrected.

However, honestly, I have to ask for those who claim to not read patch notes, there have been far more significant changes to abilities and skills and so forth over time and in major releases that dwarf the temporary removal of your one mundus stone that I cannot fathom the idea that if you havent read patch notes for changes before you havent been blown out by those other changes?

it strains credulity.

I admit having to regather all my 8 mundus stones in itself was a trifle bit annoying, but not as much as AFTER that patch, building vr16 TBS for the first time and finding out it seemed to lose my second stone with every other login. Got two VR16 TBS sets purple and gold sitting in storage now gathering dust. Sigh.

On a more positive note, a what if:

WHAT IF your known mundus stones were KNOWN by character and you could at any time any place ACTIVATE one (or two if TBS) with a few clicks? Maybe give you a mundus token. Basically, finding the stone gets you access but you dont have to go back to the spot every time you want to reactivate it.

keeps the initial exploration aspect but avoids the unnecessary re-tread same ground.