Mundas Stone removal notice?

Valrien

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Where in the game does it say that the latest patch has removed our Mundas Stone?

I don't think it should be required to read the forums to learn of gameplay changes.

It was in the patch notes a few weeks ago. No need to read the actual forum threads like this one but it's always a good idea to read patch notes. Avoids the need to start this thread.

Forums are for discussion I thought?

I was posting a discussion on why they do not communicate removal of character buffs on the login interface of the xbox one. Why should I avoid doing that?

If the PC patch notes are the same as the console patch notes, then why don't they just call them Patch Notes for all Updates.

I understand that the PC players on here want to defend the game or ZOS. I am not attacking them. I am asking "why" we cannot get proper communication on the Xbox login screen, especially buffs being removed from our characters.

The reason is because it's already posted somewhere and it takes just a minute to actually find them.

emily3989

Confusing to me how you think they would create a notification for something they had no idea happened in the first place.

Xjcon

OmniDevil wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Communication requires 2 sides...one side (ZOS) said what they did (official patch notes) the other side (you) didn't hear it....
But sure, it's not hard to read patch notes

Btw. IF it changes your gemaplay drastically, you would search why it has changed and lok at your character screen....and then you'll se that your mundus stone is missing.

I guess you can always count on the fanbois to put you in your place when it counts the most.

Look, stop being oblivious to the issue. I have no idea if PC has the luxury of being able to read patch notes in game (you know, like most other MMOs on PC have), however. Assuming you do, console doesn't. I, for one, regularly check the Patch Notes section, but not everyone does. Console doesn't have fancy addons that can quickly measure dps or healing via meters to instantly tell if something is off or if something is working as expected.

This "2 Sided Communication" thing you're talking about is nothing, but a biased answer from someone who can't stop riding the ZOS Carebear Train. The Patch Notes are only communicated in a way that forces individuals to visit the forums. It's an old and archaic way of communicating changes in the MMO world. Not everyone lives on their computers, can't say the same for the Fanboi Regime though.

Bottom line, it's not difficult to have the notes listed, in game, as several other games do. Hell, a Non-MMO game on Xbox One is doing that currently. That's new....and refreshing! No one has ever done that! /sarcasm

inb4 #pcmasterrace, #gitgud, #l2p, #rosecoloredglassesarehawtamirite

Ok. Well perhaps they should just spam your screen with a wall of text before you can log in to the game. I very much doubt the few people who have issues with going to the forum to read the patch notes would shadow the overwhelming response you would see from people upset that everytime they go to log in this wall of text appears telling you about these changes.

Signed. A Fanboi who doesn't want a wall of text at the login screen cause looking at the patch notes Gina provides isn't to hard

ShadowChopper1

Xjcon, that was kind of dumb since we already have a wall of useless text when we log in every time. And just because you like logging into forums every day doesn't mean those who don't are few. That was not a very informed response considering you have no data to back it up other than "its what i like to do and so everyone else must too". Not sure why a wall of useful information would "upset" you. Are you unstable?

Jailbirdy

emily3989 wrote: »

Confusing to me how you think they would create a notification for something they had no idea happened in the first place.

PC players said it happened on there update a week ago. I don't play on PC, so I cannot confirm.

If that is so, then I am sure they were surprised. Just asking for a note on the login screen, which is scrollable, so no need for any wall of text.

My previous MMO had information available within the game, no need to visit forums, trackers or such.

I am surprised that the request of more information is a bad thing. It would provide a way to open communication & news more between players and the company. I have noticed that those responding in favor of some sort of in game communication are new posters to these forums and probably xbox players such as myself. I am not sure how asking for this kind of proper communication hurts those of you wanting to take the extra time to visit forums, and trackers and such, though I admire your dedication to the game.

MikeB

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Where in the game does it say that the latest patch has removed our Mundas Stone?

I don't think it should be required to read the forums to learn of gameplay changes.

It was no change in the gameplay, but a bugfix and you see the removal of your mundus stone when you look at your character sheet.

*snip*

Lastly, wouldn't I wonder why it is missing as it never disappeared before?

It's happened a lot before. Heck it used to happen every update.

Jailbirdy

MikeB wrote: »

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Where in the game does it say that the latest patch has removed our Mundas Stone?

I don't think it should be required to read the forums to learn of gameplay changes.

It was no change in the gameplay, but a bugfix and you see the removal of your mundus stone when you look at your character sheet.

*snip*

Lastly, wouldn't I wonder why it is missing as it never disappeared before?

It's happened a lot before. Heck it used to happen every update.

on the xbox?

OmniDevil

Xjcon wrote: »

Ok. Well perhaps they should just spam your screen with a wall of text before you can log in to the game. I very much doubt the few people who have issues with going to the forum to read the patch notes would shadow the overwhelming response you would see from people upset that everytime they go to log in this wall of text appears telling you about these changes.

Signed. A Fanboi who doesn't want a wall of text at the login screen cause looking at the patch notes Gina provides isn't to hard

And within a weeks time, some PC player will surely have stocked up on Mt. Dew and developed an addon that "hid" said "wall of text". So, your argument is invalid. Besides, there is so much space on the login GUI that can be used to prevent your foreboding "Wall-O-Text". Even if it was a separate window, a simple, "Do not show this again" option easily alleviates that. Hey! Look! No need for an addon! I'm getting good at this.

Needless to say, there was an overwhelming response to the Crown Store popup window upload login and it still happened and was never asked for (unless it was, then I'm going to guess you were one of the Keyboard Heroes telling them how to play the game). Shame on us for wanting to request something that would keep console players more informed who choose not to visit the forums or for new players that are just starting.

Signed. A Gamer who doesn't follow the herd and actually likes providing constructive information rather than falling in line with the other cookie cutters.

Reverb

The entire premise of this thread assumes that mundus stone removal is the only thing that should have proactive communication. What about people more concerned about the CP functionality changes? Where's their login message? Or people whose build is impacted by the class skill and passive changes? What if you are primarily a RPer, and heavily impacted by the change to collectible storage? Where's your message? Or people that belong to a guild that only does end game trials and dungeons, shouldn't they get a message about the changes that significantly impact their gameplay?

How are they to decide what changes need to go into those notices. Maybe they should post the entire patch note document, and force console users to check the box saying you read and understand them before you can launch the game after changes have been made. Would that be adequate?

I think Zeni strikes an ok balance by advising that changes have been made, and to read the patch notes on the forum for more details. Absolutely they need better communication about a lot of things. A whole lot of things. But people are fussing far more about this one specific thing more than is warranted.

And that's not even taking into account that the mundus removal was an unintended part of a fix to the "multiple mundus" bug.

Volkodav

Destruent wrote: »

I think it's because they informed you about a new patch with a link to the patchnotes in the login screen. This forum is the official place for ZOS to inform you about changes/bugfixes etc they make.

The OP said they didnt think they should have to come into the forums to find out about gameplay changes.Most people dont even come here at all,so they need to also be informed.Not just us forum members.

Jailbirdy

Reverb wrote: »

I think Zeni strikes an ok balance by advising that changes have been made, and to read the patch notes on the forum for more details. Absolutely they need better communication about a lot of things. A whole lot of things. But people are fussing far more about this one specific thing more than is warranted.
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I am not sure opening a discussion in the forums under the section titled Discussion is fussing.

I acted, to put a buff on my character, and it was removed (even tho it wasn't intended to be) by the latest patch. I just think that the console players (xbox) should be able to know that ingame, without taking the time to get on a computer and read a list of patch notes on the company website.

It was interesting ingame as I went to Mournhold and in area chat told people they were all missing there Mundas Stone Buff. Everyone there (and there were quite a few) had no clue it was missing. So I do not believe I am alone in the fact that just a simple two sentences in the login area would have helped since something was deactivated on a players character.

I am still unclear why you would not want added communication between the players and the company? (and it seems so are quite a few other people posting on here)

FortheloveofKrist

OP...did you have a bad day at work? Because this is way too much vitriol and whining for this subject.

Jailbirdy

FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

OP...did you have a bad day at work? Because this is way too much vitriol and whining for this subject.

Actually no, had a great day, how's your day going?

Though, again, raising my point, why is the subject whining, I thought this was a discussion forum to discuss these things so that the developers could see what we would like and not like?

STEVIL

Jailbirdy wrote: »

I am still unclear why you would not want added communication between the players and the company? (and it seems so are quite a few other people posting on here)

Well, with all things there has to be a balance.

Listing every change at every login, TLDR and the mundus stone bit gets lost in never read click away login text anyway.

Solution fail.

ideally, the most severe changes would get into the loigin splash, but frankly, to me and i think others, the dropping mundus stone would be way way way low down on that list so IF they did include every change as severe as that or more it would turn into TLDR lost in shuffle pointless.

its easy to after the fact look at an incident and say "wish that had gone better" but its much more difficult to set in place a system that successfully deals with problems.

odds are we wont ever see another mundus stone universal wipe... that is the nature of bugs. So, no effort spent on it now will be productive.

put another way "To gripe is human, to anticipate divine."

failkiwib16_ESO

I play on PC, and to be honest I don't know anyone who actually uses the launcher for anything but updates. Most players just launch the game via the .exe because the launcher is bugghell and have caused many problems in the past.

I am sure it wouldn't hurt the community, if they put in a small notification pop-up with a link to the patch note information in section of their FAQ list in the game. This way players who are interested could click the link and read the updates in the game, while others would click away and not read it.

If you mention that you find a little notification with a link to useful information within the game annoying, how about all the crown store updates and pop-ups? Or the links you get, when you go to a crafting station to craft and the closest button leads to Crown Store Mimic Stones.

It's hard for me to make sense of this debate :S

ChrispyRambo

I just randomly looked at my character sheet last night and realized that I had no Mudus Stone. Would have been nice to know though.

Xundiin

They DID tell you. In the patch notes that you can read on these very forums. No other game that I have played has ever put a big ass warning when you login telling you that they did something. Because it's your job as a user to go to the official site to read what they changed. it's not their job to repeat the message by putting it on their official forums, plastering it an ingame message system that repeats every 5-10 min (because that never gets annoying or any thing), sending you an email, and sending you a physical letter stating "hey, things change in an MMO. These are the things that are changing this month."

They did post what was going on. Because you can't be bothered to check what is going on on their official forums where they post all their big news, information, bug fixes, ect. is not their fault. It's yours. No game comes to your door and takes you by the hand and sits you down to explain that they are fixing or changing things in game.

OmniDevil

Xundiin wrote: »

They DID tell you. In the patch notes that you can read on these very forums. No other game that I have played has ever put a big ass warning when you login telling you that they did something. Because it's your job as a user to go to the official site to read what they changed. it's not their job to repeat the message by putting it on their official forums, plastering it an ingame message system that repeats every 5-10 min (because that never gets annoying or any thing), sending you an email, and sending you a physical letter stating "hey, things change in an MMO. These are the things that are changing this month."

They did post what was going on. Because you can't be bothered to check what is going on on their official forums where they post all their big news, information, bug fixes, ect. is not their fault. It's yours. No game comes to your door and takes you by the hand and sits you down to explain that they are fixing or changing things in game.

Once again, someone failed to fully read and understand what was being requested.

And no, it's not our job to do anything of the sort. My job pays me. ZOS doesn't. Blizzard, Trion Worlds, Square Enix, just to name a few, all list their patch notes, in game, under a separate tab at login screen. Crawl back to your basement.

Xundiin

OmniDevil wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

They DID tell you. In the patch notes that you can read on these very forums. No other game that I have played has ever put a big ass warning when you login telling you that they did something. Because it's your job as a user to go to the official site to read what they changed. it's not their job to repeat the message by putting it on their official forums, plastering it an ingame message system that repeats every 5-10 min (because that never gets annoying or any thing), sending you an email, and sending you a physical letter stating "hey, things change in an MMO. These are the things that are changing this month."

They did post what was going on. Because you can't be bothered to check what is going on on their official forums where they post all their big news, information, bug fixes, ect. is not their fault. It's yours. No game comes to your door and takes you by the hand and sits you down to explain that they are fixing or changing things in game.

Once again, someone failed to fully read and understand what was being requested.

And no, it's not our job to do anything of the sort. My job pays me. ZOS doesn't. Blizzard, Trion Worlds, Square Enix, just to name a few, all list their patch notes, in game, under a separate tab at login screen. Crawl back to your basement.

Yeah, because the big lettering on the launcher called PATCH NOTES is hard to click. And no, none of those games post patch notes in game, they post patch notes on the launcher. Launcher =/= in game. I can not crawl back to what does not exist, but you sir, need to crawl out of yours.

TequilaFire

One should know better than to argue with the master race who can read patch notes but not posts.

NewBlacksmurf

Destruent wrote: »

Jailbirdy wrote: »

Where in the game does it say that the latest patch has removed our Mundas Stone?

I don't think it should be required to read the forums to learn of gameplay changes.

It was no change in the gameplay, but a bugfix and you see the removal of your mundus stone when you look at your character sheet.

well you do have to go get it again regardless so its not obvious until you realize its gone.

Xundiin

Irrelevant comment.

TequilaFire

We have a startup notification just like on PC.
Also did I call your name out?
I read both PC and PS4 patch notes as I play on both thank you very much.
However sometimes I am embarrassed by the master race.

Xundiin

TequilaFire wrote: »

We have a startup notification just like on PC.
Also did I call your name out?
I read both PC and PS4 patch notes as I play on both thank you very much.
However sometimes I am embarrassed by the master race.

No you did not, I apologize. it looked like you where commenting on what I wrote since it was similar to what omni wrote when he quoted me. Sorry I'll delete the post, or at least erase it.

TequilaFire

Cool.
No need to apologize, it is all a game! lol

ShadowChopper1

Xundiin wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

One should know better than to argue with the master race who can read patch notes but not posts.

I can read posts just fine. The fact remains that I don't play on xbox or PS. So I would not know how these launchers work, but he used games that are played on the PC as examples then wrongfully calls the launcher in game. Which it isn't. Also, I'm smart enough and experienced enough to know that if I patch is coming that I should probably go see what they are changing before the patch hits rather than when it hits. This way I know what to expect when I'm downloading the patch as well as avoiding making my self look like a fool and coming to the forums bitching about something that isn't really needed.

TLDR: sorry you're to lazy to read patch notes in the same fashion that EVERY MMO posts patch notes in. Or that you have never played an MMO and didn't know better. Regardless, coming to the forums to make a whine post about it is sad and a waste of the devs time when they have more important matters to fix.

Sir, nobody gives not one single ***, solid, soupy or otherwise, what you do, what you want us to do or what you think of what we do. But for you to have a tantrum about a post you didn't even have to read about something you don't think we should have is pretty infantile.
As a matter of fact, if you, holier than thou, already knew about the mundus stone problem, why in the blue hell would you waste your time clicking and reading this post? Not very smart sir. Not smart at all. Now tone it down before your mom grounds you from your video games for a week.

Xundiin

ShadowChopper1 wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

One should know better than to argue with the master race who can read patch notes but not posts.

I can read posts just fine. The fact remains that I don't play on xbox or PS. So I would not know how these launchers work, but he used games that are played on the PC as examples then wrongfully calls the launcher in game. Which it isn't. Also, I'm smart enough and experienced enough to know that if I patch is coming that I should probably go see what they are changing before the patch hits rather than when it hits. This way I know what to expect when I'm downloading the patch as well as avoiding making my self look like a fool and coming to the forums bitching about something that isn't really needed.

TLDR: sorry you're to lazy to read patch notes in the same fashion that EVERY MMO posts patch notes in. Or that you have never played an MMO and didn't know better. Regardless, coming to the forums to make a whine post about it is sad and a waste of the devs time when they have more important matters to fix.

Sir, nobody gives not one single ***, solid, soupy or otherwise, what you do, what you want us to do or what you think of what we do. But for you to have a tantrum about a post you didn't even have to read about something you don't think we should have is pretty infantile.
As a matter of fact, if you, holier than thou, already knew about the mundus stone problem, why in the blue hell would you waste your time clicking and reading this post? Not very smart sir. Not smart at all. Now tone it down before your mom grounds you from your video games for a week.

It's not a tantrum at all. It's a "I'm tired of the self entitled gamer generation that has sprout up asking for useless ***." You sir are the one throwing that tantrum. Also, the mundus stone removal was a bug that wasn't suppose to happen to every one. yet it did. So to see another post about mundus stone removals makes me thing "Crap, did they remove them again?" So get off your holier than thou attitude and go take a cold shower.

Xjcon

Clearly I'm to unstable to understand that while my game is loading new information it could indicate there are changes. With said load time it could be way off to go about looking up what may have changed. I do suppose there could be a message that states the obvious fact that you just downloaded some changes to the game.

10 years ago I could understand not having easy access to look something up but today there is so many devices out that a person could use. I'd even bet your console can access a browser.

ZOS_GregoryV

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