Magblade New Spammable?

iam117 · April 2016

Vezuls wrote: »

Do not say my timing is slow because you have never seen me play. Medium Weaving and light weaving are easy. Nothing in this game takes an insane amount of skill, just practice and muscle memory. I used to medium weave exclusively before IC update dropped, and I still medium weave a lot, specifically in Maelstrom Arena because the adds have such low health light weaving makes no sense to me. Is it hard to believe that switching from light to medium and vice versa is not difficult to one who does both.

You're right, getting a slower time once means nothing, however getting a slower time 10+ times with Neri as opposed to kena, whether light or medium weaving, is known as a consistent result. Is it so hard to believe someone can get different results? That's something you guys don't understand. If Neri works well for you guys, awesome. Keep using it. But for me, Kena is stronger. I apologize my results contradict what you guys think.

You guys believe everything Asayre says and it makes me laugh because someone said I rely on people testing things for me, but you guys follow Asayre's teachings like he's Socrates. He's a very intelligent person, and is amazing for the ESO community. His math says Julianos and Sharpened > TBS and Precise, but Hodor and many others were getting contrary results. Luck, rotation, and personal preference have a lot to do with performance, more than "BiS gear." I even remember Asayre saying that only a sharpend/precise VMA staff is worth using, however, I actually tested this and a defending VMA Inferno outperforms a Nirn non set inferno. Why? It's simple. The nirn inferno barely does more damage than the vma defending inferno, but the enchant bumps your crit light attacks up by close to 3k damage (not factoring any buffs). I've had well over 10k light attack crits because of the staff's enchant.

I never said "Mashinate makes Kena better." I simply provided two example parses of people using Kena, that happened to be the 2 highest known parses for magic NB's.

I just find it funny how a lot of PC players think console players can't do anything because "we don't have the tools or the knowledge to be good." If we didn't have the tools or knowledge to be good, we wouldn't be close to completing VMoL (not talking about you livemind). Are you saying you PC players are only good because you have add-ons telling you exactly what to do?

@rokrdt05 finally something I agree with you on: NB is masta class

@Nifty2g Also, since I'm a liar and am a console noob who will never even get to the second boss: http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/clip/1c3f2daf-1c7f-47ef-95a6-6cb2ae9e47d9

Anyway, I apologize for barging into this thread and derailing it. That's totally my fault. I will be more careful of what I say. I have no problem with any of you, things got heated quick. I apologize once again though.

that was not an attack on your personally, dont read it that way, everyone i know that has made the switch saw lower dps at first as a result of the timing of medium weaves + force pulse. its not the timing of just the medium weave, its the two together, with some practice you can make it quite a bit faster than first glance. it is very different. it was simply saying get that weave down and i would bet you could see it get higher damage results than you got. its not uncommon for everyone to play differently. not at all. my point about mashy was that the top nb players can likely make either set and skill look identical. no one is disputing your dps achievements, or telling you to change, simply stating that the math behind it makes it stronger, and people are having success with it that shows that. nothing wrong with posting about a better alternative for those that can make it work or for those that are already running nerien'eth and can squeeze even more dps out of their setups.

The_Saint · April 2016

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Ah! Okay, either way really good. Let me know how Force Pulse works for you.

Funnel

Force Pulse

The Fight with funnel was 1min longer.
What i can see is average dps of force pulse (without scatching mage on breton) is minimal higher then funnel.

I made more single damage in this round, so this is maybe the reason nirieneth didnt procc so good. But it suprised me that is not much more than with funnel...

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

The_Saint wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Ah! Okay, either way really good. Let me know how Force Pulse works for you.

Funnel

Force Pulse

The Fight with funnel was 1min longer.
What i can see is average dps of force pulse (without scatching mage on breton) is minimal higher then funnel.

I made more single damage in this round, so this is maybe the reason nirieneth didnt procc so good. But it suprised me that is not much more than with funnel...

FP with buffs should only hit for 2.5 ish % more than funnel. From those two screenshots and comparing the average damages we can see that your FP did 3.6% more damage.

timmayyyboy · April 2016

The_Saint wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Ah! Okay, either way really good. Let me know how Force Pulse works for you.

Funnel

Force Pulse

The Fight with funnel was 1min longer.
What i can see is average dps of force pulse (without scatching mage on breton) is minimal higher then funnel.

I made more single damage in this round, so this is maybe the reason nirieneth didnt procc so good. But it suprised me that is not much more than with funnel...

Is this with nerienth or kena??

Edit* didnt see part of the sentence that said Nerien'eth lol

TheBull · April 2016

rokrdt05 wrote: »

So if you're like me and have been using Swallow Soul/Funnel Heatlh as your main spammable DPS as a magblade... there may be a new player in town.

I'm referencing @hedna123b14_ESO build/discussion at http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/noss-unoriginal-guide-to-magblade-dps-4-mantrials-tg-ready/

I believe @liv3mind originally mentioned this in his thread.

Anyways long story short... if you're using Nerien'eth monster helm you should be using Force Pulse over Swallow/Funnel. Now why you may ask? Because more procs from the monster set! Now if you're like me... I wasn't entirely convinced that this would be a DPS boost or would be worth using to begin with until I did some testing.

Here are my results:
(excuse the bad graphics, I did the testing on my laptop QQ)

Swallow Soul
Test 1 100 Hits 8 Lich
Test 2 100 Hits 10 Lich
Test 3 100 Hits 7 Lich
Test 4 100 Hits 10 Lich
Test 5 100 Hits 7 Lich
Avg of 8 Lich Crystals per 100 Swallow Souls

Force Pulse
Test 1 99 (33) Hits 10 Lich
Test 2 99 (33) Hits 8 Lich
Test 3 99 (33) Hits 10 Lich
Test 4 99 (33) Hits 7 Lich
Test 5 99 (33) Hits 7 Lich
Avg of 8 Lich Crystals per 33 Force Pulses (total 99 hits)

So for every 99 "cast" of Force Pulse you are getting an average of 24 Lich Crystals compared to only an average of 8 Lich Crystals per 100 "cast" of Swallow/Funnel.

Now let's also look at other benefits Force Pulse provides over Swallow/Funnel:

Destruction Staff Passive (Penetrating Magic): 10% Spell Penetration
Destruction Staff Passive (Destruction Expert): Free Magicka if you get the killing blow on a mob!
Destruction Staff Passive (Elemental Force): Free dots!
Elemental Drain: Increased Procs for magicka return to make up for increased cost in skill between FP and Swallow/Funnel.
Engulfing Flame (DK Buff): 10% Increased damage to your flame attacks/weaves

Those are a lot of benefits over Swallow/Funnel!

Now let's look at some Cons:

Swallow/Funnel self heal: You will essentially lose your ability to self heal in groups/raids... but the way I rationalize this is if you're a DPS anyways then it's your job to maximize DPS while staying out of red and let your healers take care of the rest. I would most definetly still use Swallow/Funnel in Maelstrom Arena and maybe in groups/raids if it looks like the healers are having trouble.
Swallow/Funnel cheap cost: Force Pulse (for me in game currently) cost 1781 over Swallow's cost of 901. That's a big difference, BUT as I mentioned before Force Pulse enjoys the benefits of Elemental Drain and I would almost take a guess that you gain more magicka than you lose when you consider the dots you use and the weaving.
Siphoning Tree Passive (Transfer): I'm losing 2 ultimate gain from every 4 secs to every 8 secs on recast of my Crippling Grasp dot.

That's it! As a pure DPS who wants to maximize their DPS and you are using Nerien'eth and/or Scathing Mage Set... you should be using Force Pulse! Again thank you @hedna123b14_ESO for bringing this to my attention and getting my curiosity piqued. I have proved myself wrong that Force Pulse shouldn't be used as NB.

TL:DR - Use Force Pulse as Magblade.

What's up man.

timmayyyboy · April 2016

So what about crushing shock? I really dont want to remorph to FP cause i feel like i need it in vMSA right now. Have you guys done any testing to prove if CS is more effective the funnel?

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

TheBull wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

So if you're like me and have been using Swallow Soul/Funnel Heatlh as your main spammable DPS as a magblade... there may be a new player in town.

I'm referencing @hedna123b14_ESO build/discussion at http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/noss-unoriginal-guide-to-magblade-dps-4-mantrials-tg-ready/

I believe @liv3mind originally mentioned this in his thread.

Anyways long story short... if you're using Nerien'eth monster helm you should be using Force Pulse over Swallow/Funnel. Now why you may ask? Because more procs from the monster set! Now if you're like me... I wasn't entirely convinced that this would be a DPS boost or would be worth using to begin with until I did some testing.

Here are my results:
(excuse the bad graphics, I did the testing on my laptop QQ)

Swallow Soul
Test 1 100 Hits 8 Lich
Test 2 100 Hits 10 Lich
Test 3 100 Hits 7 Lich
Test 4 100 Hits 10 Lich
Test 5 100 Hits 7 Lich
Avg of 8 Lich Crystals per 100 Swallow Souls

Force Pulse
Test 1 99 (33) Hits 10 Lich
Test 2 99 (33) Hits 8 Lich
Test 3 99 (33) Hits 10 Lich
Test 4 99 (33) Hits 7 Lich
Test 5 99 (33) Hits 7 Lich
Avg of 8 Lich Crystals per 33 Force Pulses (total 99 hits)

So for every 99 "cast" of Force Pulse you are getting an average of 24 Lich Crystals compared to only an average of 8 Lich Crystals per 100 "cast" of Swallow/Funnel.

Now let's also look at other benefits Force Pulse provides over Swallow/Funnel:

Destruction Staff Passive (Penetrating Magic): 10% Spell Penetration
Destruction Staff Passive (Destruction Expert): Free Magicka if you get the killing blow on a mob!
Destruction Staff Passive (Elemental Force): Free dots!
Elemental Drain: Increased Procs for magicka return to make up for increased cost in skill between FP and Swallow/Funnel.
Engulfing Flame (DK Buff): 10% Increased damage to your flame attacks/weaves

Those are a lot of benefits over Swallow/Funnel!

Now let's look at some Cons:

Swallow/Funnel self heal: You will essentially lose your ability to self heal in groups/raids... but the way I rationalize this is if you're a DPS anyways then it's your job to maximize DPS while staying out of red and let your healers take care of the rest. I would most definetly still use Swallow/Funnel in Maelstrom Arena and maybe in groups/raids if it looks like the healers are having trouble.
Swallow/Funnel cheap cost: Force Pulse (for me in game currently) cost 1781 over Swallow's cost of 901. That's a big difference, BUT as I mentioned before Force Pulse enjoys the benefits of Elemental Drain and I would almost take a guess that you gain more magicka than you lose when you consider the dots you use and the weaving.
Siphoning Tree Passive (Transfer): I'm losing 2 ultimate gain from every 4 secs to every 8 secs on recast of my Crippling Grasp dot.

That's it! As a pure DPS who wants to maximize their DPS and you are using Nerien'eth and/or Scathing Mage Set... you should be using Force Pulse! Again thank you @hedna123b14_ESO for bringing this to my attention and getting my curiosity piqued. I have proved myself wrong that Force Pulse shouldn't be used as NB.

TL:DR - Use Force Pulse as Magblade.

What's up man.

Sunshine are you coming back????

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

timmayyyboy wrote: »

So what about crushing shock? I really dont want to remorph to FP cause i feel like i need it in vMSA right now. Have you guys done any testing to prove if CS is more effective the funnel?

CS will never hit harder than Funnel.

Autolycus · April 2016

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rokrdt05 · April 2016

TheBull wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

So if you're like me and have been using Swallow Soul/Funnel Heatlh as your main spammable DPS as a magblade... there may be a new player in town.

I'm referencing @hedna123b14_ESO build/discussion at http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/noss-unoriginal-guide-to-magblade-dps-4-mantrials-tg-ready/

I believe @liv3mind originally mentioned this in his thread.

Anyways long story short... if you're using Nerien'eth monster helm you should be using Force Pulse over Swallow/Funnel. Now why you may ask? Because more procs from the monster set! Now if you're like me... I wasn't entirely convinced that this would be a DPS boost or would be worth using to begin with until I did some testing.

Here are my results:
(excuse the bad graphics, I did the testing on my laptop QQ)

Swallow Soul
Test 1 100 Hits 8 Lich
Test 2 100 Hits 10 Lich
Test 3 100 Hits 7 Lich
Test 4 100 Hits 10 Lich
Test 5 100 Hits 7 Lich
Avg of 8 Lich Crystals per 100 Swallow Souls

Force Pulse
Test 1 99 (33) Hits 10 Lich
Test 2 99 (33) Hits 8 Lich
Test 3 99 (33) Hits 10 Lich
Test 4 99 (33) Hits 7 Lich
Test 5 99 (33) Hits 7 Lich
Avg of 8 Lich Crystals per 33 Force Pulses (total 99 hits)

So for every 99 "cast" of Force Pulse you are getting an average of 24 Lich Crystals compared to only an average of 8 Lich Crystals per 100 "cast" of Swallow/Funnel.

Now let's also look at other benefits Force Pulse provides over Swallow/Funnel:

Destruction Staff Passive (Penetrating Magic): 10% Spell Penetration
Destruction Staff Passive (Destruction Expert): Free Magicka if you get the killing blow on a mob!
Destruction Staff Passive (Elemental Force): Free dots!
Elemental Drain: Increased Procs for magicka return to make up for increased cost in skill between FP and Swallow/Funnel.
Engulfing Flame (DK Buff): 10% Increased damage to your flame attacks/weaves

Those are a lot of benefits over Swallow/Funnel!

Now let's look at some Cons:

Swallow/Funnel self heal: You will essentially lose your ability to self heal in groups/raids... but the way I rationalize this is if you're a DPS anyways then it's your job to maximize DPS while staying out of red and let your healers take care of the rest. I would most definetly still use Swallow/Funnel in Maelstrom Arena and maybe in groups/raids if it looks like the healers are having trouble.
Swallow/Funnel cheap cost: Force Pulse (for me in game currently) cost 1781 over Swallow's cost of 901. That's a big difference, BUT as I mentioned before Force Pulse enjoys the benefits of Elemental Drain and I would almost take a guess that you gain more magicka than you lose when you consider the dots you use and the weaving.
Siphoning Tree Passive (Transfer): I'm losing 2 ultimate gain from every 4 secs to every 8 secs on recast of my Crippling Grasp dot.

That's it! As a pure DPS who wants to maximize their DPS and you are using Nerien'eth and/or Scathing Mage Set... you should be using Force Pulse! Again thank you @hedna123b14_ESO for bringing this to my attention and getting my curiosity piqued. I have proved myself wrong that Force Pulse shouldn't be used as NB.

TL:DR - Use Force Pulse as Magblade.

What's up man.

Yo! Just trying to squeeze out more DPS with @hedna123b14_ESO

rokrdt05 · April 2016

timmayyyboy wrote: »

So what about crushing shock? I really dont want to remorph to FP cause i feel like i need it in vMSA right now. Have you guys done any testing to prove if CS is more effective the funnel?

Ah, see... I can't replace my Swallow Soul with CS in vMA. I need that self heal over the interrupt... besides things die so quickly that the interrupt becomes invalid to have.

rokrdt05 · April 2016

The_Saint wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Ah! Okay, either way really good. Let me know how Force Pulse works for you.

Funnel

Force Pulse

The Fight with funnel was 1min longer.
What i can see is average dps of force pulse (without scatching mage on breton) is minimal higher then funnel.

I made more single damage in this round, so this is maybe the reason nirieneth didnt procc so good. But it suprised me that is not much more than with funnel...

@The_Saint As @hedna123b14_ESO stated you did see an increase in DPS between the two skills alone. It's very hard to get an accurate comparison on this particular fight however considering the adds/time to kill/deaths-rezzes... I used parses that I had readily available to back hedna's theory on avg increase from Lich Crystals.

Looking between the two parses however, it appears that the extra minute did account for a lot more DPS if you take a look between how many hits each ability did, there is a significant increase. I imagine had you had a very similar fight the FP parse would have won out.

timmayyyboy · April 2016

rokrdt05 wrote: »

timmayyyboy wrote: »

So what about crushing shock? I really dont want to remorph to FP cause i feel like i need it in vMSA right now. Have you guys done any testing to prove if CS is more effective the funnel?

Ah, see... I can't replace my Swallow Soul with CS in vMA. I need that self heal over the interrupt... besides things die so quickly that the interrupt becomes invalid to have.

I still use funnel but i put CS on my bar for the last fight cause im really uncomfortable being close to that last boss haha

Vezuls · April 2016

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

Slayyer-AUS · April 2016

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

you spent like 8 hours a day in the place every day lol

Polysemy · April 2016

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

Naaah I think you still suck, the only reason you may have beaten anyone else is because of time constaints and life happenings

And nobody even said you suck we just say that you are idiotic for making claims about thing you have no hard data on other then thing like TTK which is hardly hard data

Nifty2g · April 2016

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

Slayyer-AUS · April 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

Wait really?

Nifty2g · April 2016

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

Wait really?

Yes and faster ult gen

Slayyer-AUS · April 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

Wait really?

Yes and faster ult gen

...wtf? Since when? lmao

If this is true then pc and console should be a complete different competition lol.
How are their speed run times so *** then?

Function · April 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

Wait really?

Yes and faster ult gen

I always thought they had faster ult gen from watching streams. Didn't know it was actually a thing.

Polysemy · April 2016

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

Wait really?

Yes and faster ult gen

...wtf? Since when? lmao

If this is true then pc and console should be a complete different competition lol.
How are their speed run times so *** then?

Because they are ***

code65536 · April 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

Wait really?

Yes and faster ult gen

But without addons, you can't see exact health numbers. Or ult numbers. So how would you know? Or... was that the point of your post?

Vezuls · April 2016

lol

Vezuls · April 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

You're actually ignorant/delusional if you believe this. ZoS has said multiple times the health is the same. I remember when console was smashing PC scores in VMA, and people said everything had less health on console, which was quickly disproved by ZOS. Don't be that salty us console peasants beat the magnificent PC master race elitist. You're so upset that we beat it before you, so you're trying to lighten the blow by telling everyone false things.... I heard you guys still struggle at the phase after the lunar cycle.... Like seriously, that's the easiest phase in the entire fight.

The health is the same. Deal with it. And to the people saying 8 hours a day, we raided 3 days this week. 4 hours day 1; 5 hours day 2; and 3 hours day 3... LOL. I can't believe I ever had respect for an elitist guild like CSH. You guys are good as hell, but this is sad. You didn't complete VMoL before console when you had PTS AND the content weeks before us.

Noone believe this guy's nonsense. The health is the same and Zennimax has stated it many times. @Seiffer who I believe is ZoS Seiffer works on a lot of the dungeons + trials and he even double checked and said the health for everything was the same.

Anyway, thanks for congratulating us

Slayyer-AUS · April 2016

Vezuls wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

You're actually ignorant/delusional if you believe this. ZoS has said multiple times the health is the same. I remember when console was smashing PC scores in VMA, and people said everything had less health on console, which was quickly disproved by ZOS. Don't be that salty us console peasants beat the magnificent PC master race elitist. You're so upset that we beat it before you, so you're trying to lighten the blow by telling everyone false things.... I heard you guys still struggle at the phase after the lunar cycle.... Like seriously, that's the easiest phase in the entire fight.

The health is the same. Deal with it. And to the people saying 8 hours a day, we raided 3 days this week. 4 hours day 1; 5 hours day 2; and 3 hours day 3... LOL. I can't believe I ever had respect for an elitist guild like CSH. You guys are good as hell, but this is sad. You didn't complete VMoL before console when you had PTS AND the content weeks before us.

Noone believe this guy's nonsense. The health is the same and Zennimax has stated it many times. @Seiffer who I believe is ZoS Seiffer works on a lot of the dungeons + trials and he even double checked and said the health for everything was the same.

Anyway, thanks for congratulating us

lol you the one that sounds mad with these big long essay posts

Polysemy · April 2016

Vezuls wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

You're actually ignorant/delusional if you believe this. ZoS has said multiple times the health is the same. I remember when console was smashing PC scores in VMA, and people said everything had less health on console, which was quickly disproved by ZOS. Don't be that salty you console peasants beat the magnificent PC master race elitist. You're so upset that we beat it before you, so you're trying to lighten the blow by telling everyone false things.... I heard you guys still struggle at the phase after the lunar cycle.... Like seriously, that's the easiest phase in the entire fight.

The health is the same. Deal with it. And to the people saying 8 hours a day, we raided 3 days this week. 4 hours day 1; 5 hours day 2; and 3 hours day 3... LOL. I can't believe I ever had respect for an elitist guild like CSH. You guys are good as hell, but this is sad. You didn't complete VMoL before console when you had PTS AND the content weeks before us.

Noone believe this guy's nonsense. The health is the same and Zennimax has stated it many times. @Seiffer who I believe is ZoS Seiffer works on a lot of the dungeons + trials and he even double checked and said the health for everything was the same.

I think we should all just accept the fact that our plebian underlings (console players) need some sort of encouragement so I think we should just let them continue thinking the way they do.. A kingdom is nothing without its peasents

Vezuls · April 2016

Vezuls wrote: »

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Function wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

Wait really?

Yes and faster ult gen

I always thought they had faster ult gen from watching streams. Didn't know it was actually a thing.

It's not. He's spreading lies. We just know how to gen it, which isn't hard.

Polysemy · April 2016

Vezuls wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

y

Function wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

Wait really?

Yes and faster ult gen

I always thought they had faster ult gen from watching streams. Didn't know it was actually a thing.

It's not. He's spreading lies. We just know how to gen it, which isn't hard.

Lol right because I have no idea how to get ult despite playing this game for over 2 years.... seems legit

Vezuls · April 2016

Polysemy wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

@Nifty2g @rokrdt05 And anyone other PC Elitist.
http://xboxrecord.us/gamer/TRUE Vezuls/screenshot/9761d664-8a93-4dfa-a40f-d8519b71846f

Just in case you still think console players suck and will never get past the second boss. I'm not posting this to talk ***, I simply want an apology for the elitism/hate I was shown earlier for voicing my opinion.

1. Console players do not suck
2. Just because we don't have add ons does not mean we do not have the tools to be good.

We beat the hardest content in the game before most PC guilds, got world 3rd, console 1st, and NA first.

You realise that console MOL has less health than PC right?

You're actually ignorant/delusional if you believe this. ZoS has said multiple times the health is the same. I remember when console was smashing PC scores in VMA, and people said everything had less health on console, which was quickly disproved by ZOS. Don't be that salty you console peasants beat the magnificent PC master race elitist. You're so upset that we beat it before you, so you're trying to lighten the blow by telling everyone false things.... I heard you guys still struggle at the phase after the lunar cycle.... Like seriously, that's the easiest phase in the entire fight.

The health is the same. Deal with it. And to the people saying 8 hours a day, we raided 3 days this week. 4 hours day 1; 5 hours day 2; and 3 hours day 3... LOL. I can't believe I ever had respect for an elitist guild like CSH. You guys are good as hell, but this is sad. You didn't complete VMoL before console when you had PTS AND the content weeks before us.

Noone believe this guy's nonsense. The health is the same and Zennimax has stated it many times. @Seiffer who I believe is ZoS Seiffer works on a lot of the dungeons + trials and he even double checked and said the health for everything was the same.

I think we should all just accept the fact that our plebian underlings (console players) need some sort of encouragement so I think we should just let them continue thinking the way they do.. A kingdom is nothing without its peasents

Whatever helps you sleep at night booboo