rokrdt05 wrote: »

The_Saint wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

The_Saint wrote: »

I also cant see molag kena is so much better. Yes it is better in many situations. But only because of a bug...



Force pulse i will test in our next raid.

Awesome DPS. I assume this was a completion and so you got the crazy add phase so your DPS is pretty consistent with what a lot of great end game players are pulling. Also keep in mind that Force Pulse acts as an AoE if they any mob has a destro DoT on them so essentially more free DPS.

Yes it was a full fight. But we killed one boss after the room split and the other one was ~15% life. So its just impale at the end and i had to ingnore the adds.

Ah! Okay, either way really good. Let me know how Force Pulse works for you.

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

I'll copy and paste my post. However, Force Pulse > Funnel for sure. I still believe using Neri over Kena is a big DPS loss, but to each his own. Force Pulse is not better because of more procs on neri, it's a better skill in general. Force Pulse does more damage than Funnel, not on tooltip, but on actual mobs.

Anyway, this is my post on tamriel foundry:

Tested Force Pulse in VMoL last night on all but the final boss. (I’m not confident enough in many things to make the switch). Things I noticed
1. Definitely felt like a lot more damage (with and without Scathing Mage)
2. Easily sustainable with siphoning attacks every other twisting application (around 32 seconds; so about a high 40ish% siphoning uptime). I had 75%+ resources at all times which was crazy. I’m thinking I may not even need siphoning attacks. I did use siphoning every add spawn 2+ on second boss though.
3. The ulti gen you miss from funnel every 4 seconds is kind of noticeable, but not noticeable enough. I had an ulti (even Kena’d most of the time) for every add spawn phase on Vashai and Skinrai, which is all the ulti gen you really need.
4. I noticed some of the damage I was taking, but it wasn’t anyting that would cause a death. Just not used to the health bar dropping much :P

From my assessments, Force Pulse > Funnel in 2 scenarios
1. If you use Swallow Soul
2. If your team is good AND comfortable enough to only trust the healers for heals.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lalala. If your using siphoning skills u shouldn't even be using nerieneth. You should be using malubeth or kena with double la. With your set up your not only losing self heals for yourself but for other group members too. There's no reason why you can't be both dps and heals.

Nerieneth is better than Kena silly:) it deals 5-9% of my overall damage AND i get to medium weave non stop...oh and my resources are full:)

Kena is much better than Neri in ST fights. If not, show me some proof. Because it's general knowledge now that kena is BiS for most magic builds. Medium weaving is worse than Light Weaving from what I have seen, especially on a Magic NB. Less Merciless Resolve procs because it takes longer to medium weave than Light weave.

If You Think That Medium Weaving Is worse than Light Weaving then I have nothing more to add...merciless is a skill that has to be pressed two times (if you're aware), Assasin's will hits slightly harder than 2 swallow souls. Each time you press the button to activate merciless you are not using swallow soul. Since the animation on the two skills is the same you are gaining a slight advantage by using assasins will since it does slightly more damage and is free....

I've tested it. Unfortunately, I'm on console so I can't offer DPS reports, but I have killed Bloodspawn multiple times (Our dps test) and medium weaving was always about 2-5 seconds behind. (roughly 1-2k DPS). To avoid any further arguments, let's just agree to disagree. I get better results with Kena. Somehow you get better results with Neri. However, the best 2 magic NB's both agree Kena is better soooo

The_Saint wrote: »

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-magicka-dps-by-iwm/

Annother awesome magicka nb guide and the dps with kena is the highest i can found for boss 2



But it is boss 2 and there are many different situations and different dps. When you are lucky and can stay on golden boss (adds are more together), not much side switching and a add group to kill at the end its good for dps... and you can get the other way...

I will stay on nerieneth, because i dont like the kena bug and i like medium weaves... maybe i will test skoria sometime (~60% is dot damage on second boss with my playstyle)

Vezuls wrote: »

I was going to reply with something, but it would just exacerbate the situation.

In my testing, Kena is much better than neri, thus I will continue using it.
You get different results? Awesome. Go for it.
At the end of the day, diversity in MMO's is a good thing.

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

I'll copy and paste my post. However, Force Pulse > Funnel for sure. I still believe using Neri over Kena is a big DPS loss, but to each his own. Force Pulse is not better because of more procs on neri, it's a better skill in general. Force Pulse does more damage than Funnel, not on tooltip, but on actual mobs.

Anyway, this is my post on tamriel foundry:

Tested Force Pulse in VMoL last night on all but the final boss. (I’m not confident enough in many things to make the switch). Things I noticed
1. Definitely felt like a lot more damage (with and without Scathing Mage)
2. Easily sustainable with siphoning attacks every other twisting application (around 32 seconds; so about a high 40ish% siphoning uptime). I had 75%+ resources at all times which was crazy. I’m thinking I may not even need siphoning attacks. I did use siphoning every add spawn 2+ on second boss though.
3. The ulti gen you miss from funnel every 4 seconds is kind of noticeable, but not noticeable enough. I had an ulti (even Kena’d most of the time) for every add spawn phase on Vashai and Skinrai, which is all the ulti gen you really need.
4. I noticed some of the damage I was taking, but it wasn’t anyting that would cause a death. Just not used to the health bar dropping much :P

From my assessments, Force Pulse > Funnel in 2 scenarios
1. If you use Swallow Soul
2. If your team is good AND comfortable enough to only trust the healers for heals.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lalala. If your using siphoning skills u shouldn't even be using nerieneth. You should be using malubeth or kena with double la. With your set up your not only losing self heals for yourself but for other group members too. There's no reason why you can't be both dps and heals.

Nerieneth is better than Kena silly:) it deals 5-9% of my overall damage AND i get to medium weave non stop...oh and my resources are full:)

Kena is much better than Neri in ST fights. If not, show me some proof. Because it's general knowledge now that kena is BiS for most magic builds. Medium weaving is worse than Light Weaving from what I have seen, especially on a Magic NB. Less Merciless Resolve procs because it takes longer to medium weave than Light weave.

If You Think That Medium Weaving Is worse than Light Weaving then I have nothing more to add...merciless is a skill that has to be pressed two times (if you're aware), Assasin's will hits slightly harder than 2 swallow souls. Each time you press the button to activate merciless you are not using swallow soul. Since the animation on the two skills is the same you are gaining a slight advantage by using assasins will since it does slightly more damage and is free....

I've tested it. Unfortunately, I'm on console so I can't offer DPS reports, but I have killed Bloodspawn multiple times (Our dps test) and medium weaving was always about 2-5 seconds behind. (roughly 1-2k DPS). To avoid any further arguments, let's just agree to disagree. I get better results with Kena. Somehow you get better results with Neri. However, the best 2 magic NB's both agree Kena is better soooo

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

I was going to reply with something, but it would just exacerbate the situation.

In my testing, Kena is much better than neri, thus I will continue using it.
You get different results? Awesome. Go for it.
At the end of the day, diversity in MMO's is a good thing.

How are you able to reliably tell if you get better results with no way to compare your damage reports to see how much damage % kena is giving you or how much damage % nerineth gives you. Not only that but you're trying to disagree with obvious math that is right in front of you with all of the proof. I have no idea why exactly you are disagreeing, trying to be right or prove a point or you have a high ego/extremely stubborn. But you provide no evidence, nothing to back up yourself just your own gut feeling saying you do better damage. No idea how you get that on console, and no one is going to take your word for it as you can't test anything, you can't get proper numbers without doing extensive equations, you can't get anything you need on console really.

I don't understand your argument what so ever because you have nothing to back up what you're saying.

Side note, stop disagreeing with some of the top NA/EU PC Players who have done this sort of testings since the game has come out.

Your whole argument right now is a fallacy.

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

I'll copy and paste my post. However, Force Pulse > Funnel for sure. I still believe using Neri over Kena is a big DPS loss, but to each his own. Force Pulse is not better because of more procs on neri, it's a better skill in general. Force Pulse does more damage than Funnel, not on tooltip, but on actual mobs.

Anyway, this is my post on tamriel foundry:

Tested Force Pulse in VMoL last night on all but the final boss. (I’m not confident enough in many things to make the switch). Things I noticed
1. Definitely felt like a lot more damage (with and without Scathing Mage)
2. Easily sustainable with siphoning attacks every other twisting application (around 32 seconds; so about a high 40ish% siphoning uptime). I had 75%+ resources at all times which was crazy. I’m thinking I may not even need siphoning attacks. I did use siphoning every add spawn 2+ on second boss though.
3. The ulti gen you miss from funnel every 4 seconds is kind of noticeable, but not noticeable enough. I had an ulti (even Kena’d most of the time) for every add spawn phase on Vashai and Skinrai, which is all the ulti gen you really need.
4. I noticed some of the damage I was taking, but it wasn’t anyting that would cause a death. Just not used to the health bar dropping much :P

From my assessments, Force Pulse > Funnel in 2 scenarios
1. If you use Swallow Soul
2. If your team is good AND comfortable enough to only trust the healers for heals.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lalala. If your using siphoning skills u shouldn't even be using nerieneth. You should be using malubeth or kena with double la. With your set up your not only losing self heals for yourself but for other group members too. There's no reason why you can't be both dps and heals.

Nerieneth is better than Kena silly:) it deals 5-9% of my overall damage AND i get to medium weave non stop...oh and my resources are full:)

Kena is much better than Neri in ST fights. If not, show me some proof. Because it's general knowledge now that kena is BiS for most magic builds. Medium weaving is worse than Light Weaving from what I have seen, especially on a Magic NB. Less Merciless Resolve procs because it takes longer to medium weave than Light weave.

If You Think That Medium Weaving Is worse than Light Weaving then I have nothing more to add...merciless is a skill that has to be pressed two times (if you're aware), Assasin's will hits slightly harder than 2 swallow souls. Each time you press the button to activate merciless you are not using swallow soul. Since the animation on the two skills is the same you are gaining a slight advantage by using assasins will since it does slightly more damage and is free....

I've tested it. Unfortunately, I'm on console so I can't offer DPS reports, but I have killed Bloodspawn multiple times (Our dps test) and medium weaving was always about 2-5 seconds behind. (roughly 1-2k DPS). To avoid any further arguments, let's just agree to disagree. I get better results with Kena. Somehow you get better results with Neri. However, the best 2 magic NB's both agree Kena is better soooo

I have no issue agreeing to disagree. I do have an issue with your last sentence though. The best 2 Nightblades? Just because you have a guide up with pictures does not make you the best. I also have a guide up with some pictures, and I consider myself to be decent, but by no means the best in the game. Do you mean the best in PvP? The best in vMA? The best in trials? These are all very different things. People who have top scores in vMA and PvP are amazing players that excell not necessarily at dps (although sometimes it is that as well), but at being situationaly aware which is the primary skill needed for those two activities. People that excell at trials have 2 things - the complete knowledge of their class with all its intricacies AND a good group. For example the highest I've pulled on my nightblade on the vMoL second boss was 27k, but this was at around the 40-50% Mark before the dps skyrockets due to adds. Our group at that time was unable to clear him so I never got a chance to see a full parse padded by all those adds, but I can tell you right now that especially on that fight with all those adds nerieneth would push us to 40k dps.

That's all well and good, but the two best PvE mag NB's (clarified for you) don't even reach the 4 set of adds. They kill that boss in 6-7 minutes. Which is the goal to be honest. That shows group dps and group stability. I saw your parses. 5 and 6 minute fights. That's when you get the first and second set of 3 adds to spawn.So you should have been at a good point dps wise.
6:50 fight from about 4 weeks ago from Kar Zuko. http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/screenshot2016stj6o5f4kp.png

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

I'll copy and paste my post. However, Force Pulse > Funnel for sure. I still believe using Neri over Kena is a big DPS loss, but to each his own. Force Pulse is not better because of more procs on neri, it's a better skill in general. Force Pulse does more damage than Funnel, not on tooltip, but on actual mobs.

Anyway, this is my post on tamriel foundry:

Tested Force Pulse in VMoL last night on all but the final boss. (I’m not confident enough in many things to make the switch). Things I noticed
1. Definitely felt like a lot more damage (with and without Scathing Mage)
2. Easily sustainable with siphoning attacks every other twisting application (around 32 seconds; so about a high 40ish% siphoning uptime). I had 75%+ resources at all times which was crazy. I’m thinking I may not even need siphoning attacks. I did use siphoning every add spawn 2+ on second boss though.
3. The ulti gen you miss from funnel every 4 seconds is kind of noticeable, but not noticeable enough. I had an ulti (even Kena’d most of the time) for every add spawn phase on Vashai and Skinrai, which is all the ulti gen you really need.
4. I noticed some of the damage I was taking, but it wasn’t anyting that would cause a death. Just not used to the health bar dropping much :P

From my assessments, Force Pulse > Funnel in 2 scenarios
1. If you use Swallow Soul
2. If your team is good AND comfortable enough to only trust the healers for heals.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lalala. If your using siphoning skills u shouldn't even be using nerieneth. You should be using malubeth or kena with double la. With your set up your not only losing self heals for yourself but for other group members too. There's no reason why you can't be both dps and heals.

Nerieneth is better than Kena silly:) it deals 5-9% of my overall damage AND i get to medium weave non stop...oh and my resources are full:)

Kena is much better than Neri in ST fights. If not, show me some proof. Because it's general knowledge now that kena is BiS for most magic builds. Medium weaving is worse than Light Weaving from what I have seen, especially on a Magic NB. Less Merciless Resolve procs because it takes longer to medium weave than Light weave.

If You Think That Medium Weaving Is worse than Light Weaving then I have nothing more to add...merciless is a skill that has to be pressed two times (if you're aware), Assasin's will hits slightly harder than 2 swallow souls. Each time you press the button to activate merciless you are not using swallow soul. Since the animation on the two skills is the same you are gaining a slight advantage by using assasins will since it does slightly more damage and is free....

I've tested it. Unfortunately, I'm on console so I can't offer DPS reports, but I have killed Bloodspawn multiple times (Our dps test) and medium weaving was always about 2-5 seconds behind. (roughly 1-2k DPS). To avoid any further arguments, let's just agree to disagree. I get better results with Kena. Somehow you get better results with Neri. However, the best 2 magic NB's both agree Kena is better soooo

I have no issue agreeing to disagree. I do have an issue with your last sentence though. The best 2 Nightblades? Just because you have a guide up with pictures does not make you the best. I also have a guide up with some pictures, and I consider myself to be decent, but by no means the best in the game. Do you mean the best in PvP? The best in vMA? The best in trials? These are all very different things. People who have top scores in vMA and PvP are amazing players that excell not necessarily at dps (although sometimes it is that as well), but at being situationaly aware which is the primary skill needed for those two activities. People that excell at trials have 2 things - the complete knowledge of their class with all its intricacies AND a good group. For example the highest I've pulled on my nightblade on the vMoL second boss was 27k, but this was at around the 40-50% Mark before the dps skyrockets due to adds. Our group at that time was unable to clear him so I never got a chance to see a full parse padded by all those adds, but I can tell you right now that especially on that fight with all those adds nerieneth would push us to 40k dps.

That's all well and good, but the two best PvE mag NB's (clarified for you) don't even reach the 4 set of adds. They kill that boss in 6-7 minutes. Which is the goal to be honest. That shows group dps and group stability. I saw your parses. 5 and 6 minute fights. That's when you get the first and second set of 3 adds to spawn.So you should have been at a good point dps wise.
6:50 fight from about 4 weeks ago from Kar Zuko. http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/screenshot2016stj6o5f4kp.png

Didn't Kar Zuko say somewhere he doesn't have nerineth

Also no you would have gotten 4 sets of adds in 6 minutes

You don't really want everyone in some aoe build for that fight good to mix it up and have people focus adds and some bosses. So it's not really the best dps to compare on it I don't think

@Nifty2g No, it's not the best to compare DPS as there are a lot of things that are going on during that fight that can alter your DPS greatly. The point of me posting the parses was to contribute my testing towards using FP w/ Nerien'eth and not have "best" DPS. If I wanted to prove I could match DPS I'd do it on a more common boss with no adds or a fight that is very static. Vezuls keeps saying he is done arguing yet he keeps replying. The whole point of this thread also has nothing even to do with using Kena. Leave it to a console player who will probably never get to that boss to keep replying based on someone elses theorycrafting and not their own.

Nifty2g wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

I'll copy and paste my post. However, Force Pulse > Funnel for sure. I still believe using Neri over Kena is a big DPS loss, but to each his own. Force Pulse is not better because of more procs on neri, it's a better skill in general. Force Pulse does more damage than Funnel, not on tooltip, but on actual mobs.

Anyway, this is my post on tamriel foundry:

Tested Force Pulse in VMoL last night on all but the final boss. (I’m not confident enough in many things to make the switch). Things I noticed
1. Definitely felt like a lot more damage (with and without Scathing Mage)
2. Easily sustainable with siphoning attacks every other twisting application (around 32 seconds; so about a high 40ish% siphoning uptime). I had 75%+ resources at all times which was crazy. I’m thinking I may not even need siphoning attacks. I did use siphoning every add spawn 2+ on second boss though.
3. The ulti gen you miss from funnel every 4 seconds is kind of noticeable, but not noticeable enough. I had an ulti (even Kena’d most of the time) for every add spawn phase on Vashai and Skinrai, which is all the ulti gen you really need.
4. I noticed some of the damage I was taking, but it wasn’t anyting that would cause a death. Just not used to the health bar dropping much :P

From my assessments, Force Pulse > Funnel in 2 scenarios
1. If you use Swallow Soul
2. If your team is good AND comfortable enough to only trust the healers for heals.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lalala. If your using siphoning skills u shouldn't even be using nerieneth. You should be using malubeth or kena with double la. With your set up your not only losing self heals for yourself but for other group members too. There's no reason why you can't be both dps and heals.

Nerieneth is better than Kena silly:) it deals 5-9% of my overall damage AND i get to medium weave non stop...oh and my resources are full:)

Kena is much better than Neri in ST fights. If not, show me some proof. Because it's general knowledge now that kena is BiS for most magic builds. Medium weaving is worse than Light Weaving from what I have seen, especially on a Magic NB. Less Merciless Resolve procs because it takes longer to medium weave than Light weave.

If You Think That Medium Weaving Is worse than Light Weaving then I have nothing more to add...merciless is a skill that has to be pressed two times (if you're aware), Assasin's will hits slightly harder than 2 swallow souls. Each time you press the button to activate merciless you are not using swallow soul. Since the animation on the two skills is the same you are gaining a slight advantage by using assasins will since it does slightly more damage and is free....

I've tested it. Unfortunately, I'm on console so I can't offer DPS reports, but I have killed Bloodspawn multiple times (Our dps test) and medium weaving was always about 2-5 seconds behind. (roughly 1-2k DPS). To avoid any further arguments, let's just agree to disagree. I get better results with Kena. Somehow you get better results with Neri. However, the best 2 magic NB's both agree Kena is better soooo

I have no issue agreeing to disagree. I do have an issue with your last sentence though. The best 2 Nightblades? Just because you have a guide up with pictures does not make you the best. I also have a guide up with some pictures, and I consider myself to be decent, but by no means the best in the game. Do you mean the best in PvP? The best in vMA? The best in trials? These are all very different things. People who have top scores in vMA and PvP are amazing players that excell not necessarily at dps (although sometimes it is that as well), but at being situationaly aware which is the primary skill needed for those two activities. People that excell at trials have 2 things - the complete knowledge of their class with all its intricacies AND a good group. For example the highest I've pulled on my nightblade on the vMoL second boss was 27k, but this was at around the 40-50% Mark before the dps skyrockets due to adds. Our group at that time was unable to clear him so I never got a chance to see a full parse padded by all those adds, but I can tell you right now that especially on that fight with all those adds nerieneth would push us to 40k dps.

That's all well and good, but the two best PvE mag NB's (clarified for you) don't even reach the 4 set of adds. They kill that boss in 6-7 minutes. Which is the goal to be honest. That shows group dps and group stability. I saw your parses. 5 and 6 minute fights. That's when you get the first and second set of 3 adds to spawn.So you should have been at a good point dps wise.
6:50 fight from about 4 weeks ago from Kar Zuko. http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/screenshot2016stj6o5f4kp.png

Didn't Kar Zuko say somewhere he doesn't have nerineth

Also no you would have gotten 4 sets of adds in 6 minutes

You don't really want everyone in some aoe build for that fight good to mix it up and have people focus adds and some bosses. So it's not really the best dps to compare on it I don't think

@Nifty2g No, it's not the best to compare DPS as there are a lot of things that are going on during that fight that can alter your DPS greatly. The point of me posting the parses was to contribute my testing towards using FP w/ Nerien'eth and not have "best" DPS. If I wanted to prove I could match DPS I'd do it on a more common boss with no adds or a fight that is very static. Vezuls keeps saying he is done arguing yet he keeps replying. The whole point of this thread also has nothing even to do with using Kena. Leave it to a console player who will probably never get to that boss to keep replying based on someone elses theorycrafting and not their own.

Anyway

Doesn't force pulse have a chance to effect multiple targets in that case sometimes when you can't aoe for some reason or an add is too far away or close to the boss, whatever the scenario is, can the hit it affects another target proc nerineth

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Leave it to a console player who will probably never get to that boss to keep replying based on someone elses theorycrafting and not their own.

Lol, don't make this about console vs PC. I am a console player and have been following this thread since it was first posted to see the math and various replies. As pointed out, we on console have nothing more than Blood Spawn time test to test our DPS, so I always follow mechanics posts like this with great interest. We are not all as stubborn and ignorant as said player above, but some of us console players are decent enough to hold our own and are at/past the first boss of vMOL (v16). Please don't generalize us all as kiddie, ignorant, baddies.

BTW, first time posting in this thread so let me take the opportunity to say thx for the information and testing

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

I'll copy and paste my post. However, Force Pulse > Funnel for sure. I still believe using Neri over Kena is a big DPS loss, but to each his own. Force Pulse is not better because of more procs on neri, it's a better skill in general. Force Pulse does more damage than Funnel, not on tooltip, but on actual mobs.

Anyway, this is my post on tamriel foundry:

Tested Force Pulse in VMoL last night on all but the final boss. (I’m not confident enough in many things to make the switch). Things I noticed
1. Definitely felt like a lot more damage (with and without Scathing Mage)
2. Easily sustainable with siphoning attacks every other twisting application (around 32 seconds; so about a high 40ish% siphoning uptime). I had 75%+ resources at all times which was crazy. I’m thinking I may not even need siphoning attacks. I did use siphoning every add spawn 2+ on second boss though.
3. The ulti gen you miss from funnel every 4 seconds is kind of noticeable, but not noticeable enough. I had an ulti (even Kena’d most of the time) for every add spawn phase on Vashai and Skinrai, which is all the ulti gen you really need.
4. I noticed some of the damage I was taking, but it wasn’t anyting that would cause a death. Just not used to the health bar dropping much :P

From my assessments, Force Pulse > Funnel in 2 scenarios
1. If you use Swallow Soul
2. If your team is good AND comfortable enough to only trust the healers for heals.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lalala. If your using siphoning skills u shouldn't even be using nerieneth. You should be using malubeth or kena with double la. With your set up your not only losing self heals for yourself but for other group members too. There's no reason why you can't be both dps and heals.

Nerieneth is better than Kena silly:) it deals 5-9% of my overall damage AND i get to medium weave non stop...oh and my resources are full:)

Kena is much better than Neri in ST fights. If not, show me some proof. Because it's general knowledge now that kena is BiS for most magic builds. Medium weaving is worse than Light Weaving from what I have seen, especially on a Magic NB. Less Merciless Resolve procs because it takes longer to medium weave than Light weave.

If You Think That Medium Weaving Is worse than Light Weaving then I have nothing more to add...merciless is a skill that has to be pressed two times (if you're aware), Assasin's will hits slightly harder than 2 swallow souls. Each time you press the button to activate merciless you are not using swallow soul. Since the animation on the two skills is the same you are gaining a slight advantage by using assasins will since it does slightly more damage and is free....

I've tested it. Unfortunately, I'm on console so I can't offer DPS reports, but I have killed Bloodspawn multiple times (Our dps test) and medium weaving was always about 2-5 seconds behind. (roughly 1-2k DPS). To avoid any further arguments, let's just agree to disagree. I get better results with Kena. Somehow you get better results with Neri. However, the best 2 magic NB's both agree Kena is better soooo

I have no issue agreeing to disagree. I do have an issue with your last sentence though. The best 2 Nightblades? Just because you have a guide up with pictures does not make you the best. I also have a guide up with some pictures, and I consider myself to be decent, but by no means the best in the game. Do you mean the best in PvP? The best in vMA? The best in trials? These are all very different things. People who have top scores in vMA and PvP are amazing players that excell not necessarily at dps (although sometimes it is that as well), but at being situationaly aware which is the primary skill needed for those two activities. People that excell at trials have 2 things - the complete knowledge of their class with all its intricacies AND a good group. For example the highest I've pulled on my nightblade on the vMoL second boss was 27k, but this was at around the 40-50% Mark before the dps skyrockets due to adds. Our group at that time was unable to clear him so I never got a chance to see a full parse padded by all those adds, but I can tell you right now that especially on that fight with all those adds nerieneth would push us to 40k dps.

That's all well and good, but the two best PvE mag NB's (clarified for you) don't even reach the 4 set of adds. They kill that boss in 6-7 minutes. Which is the goal to be honest. That shows group dps and group stability. I saw your parses. 5 and 6 minute fights. That's when you get the first and second set of 3 adds to spawn.So you should have been at a good point dps wise.
6:50 fight from about 4 weeks ago from Kar Zuko. http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/screenshot2016stj6o5f4kp.png

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

I'll copy and paste my post. However, Force Pulse > Funnel for sure. I still believe using Neri over Kena is a big DPS loss, but to each his own. Force Pulse is not better because of more procs on neri, it's a better skill in general. Force Pulse does more damage than Funnel, not on tooltip, but on actual mobs.

Anyway, this is my post on tamriel foundry:

Tested Force Pulse in VMoL last night on all but the final boss. (I’m not confident enough in many things to make the switch). Things I noticed
1. Definitely felt like a lot more damage (with and without Scathing Mage)
2. Easily sustainable with siphoning attacks every other twisting application (around 32 seconds; so about a high 40ish% siphoning uptime). I had 75%+ resources at all times which was crazy. I’m thinking I may not even need siphoning attacks. I did use siphoning every add spawn 2+ on second boss though.
3. The ulti gen you miss from funnel every 4 seconds is kind of noticeable, but not noticeable enough. I had an ulti (even Kena’d most of the time) for every add spawn phase on Vashai and Skinrai, which is all the ulti gen you really need.
4. I noticed some of the damage I was taking, but it wasn’t anyting that would cause a death. Just not used to the health bar dropping much :P

From my assessments, Force Pulse > Funnel in 2 scenarios
1. If you use Swallow Soul
2. If your team is good AND comfortable enough to only trust the healers for heals.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lalala. If your using siphoning skills u shouldn't even be using nerieneth. You should be using malubeth or kena with double la. With your set up your not only losing self heals for yourself but for other group members too. There's no reason why you can't be both dps and heals.

Nerieneth is better than Kena silly:) it deals 5-9% of my overall damage AND i get to medium weave non stop...oh and my resources are full:)

Kena is much better than Neri in ST fights. If not, show me some proof. Because it's general knowledge now that kena is BiS for most magic builds. Medium weaving is worse than Light Weaving from what I have seen, especially on a Magic NB. Less Merciless Resolve procs because it takes longer to medium weave than Light weave.

If You Think That Medium Weaving Is worse than Light Weaving then I have nothing more to add...merciless is a skill that has to be pressed two times (if you're aware), Assasin's will hits slightly harder than 2 swallow souls. Each time you press the button to activate merciless you are not using swallow soul. Since the animation on the two skills is the same you are gaining a slight advantage by using assasins will since it does slightly more damage and is free....

I've tested it. Unfortunately, I'm on console so I can't offer DPS reports, but I have killed Bloodspawn multiple times (Our dps test) and medium weaving was always about 2-5 seconds behind. (roughly 1-2k DPS). To avoid any further arguments, let's just agree to disagree. I get better results with Kena. Somehow you get better results with Neri. However, the best 2 magic NB's both agree Kena is better soooo

I have no issue agreeing to disagree. I do have an issue with your last sentence though. The best 2 Nightblades? Just because you have a guide up with pictures does not make you the best. I also have a guide up with some pictures, and I consider myself to be decent, but by no means the best in the game. Do you mean the best in PvP? The best in vMA? The best in trials? These are all very different things. People who have top scores in vMA and PvP are amazing players that excell not necessarily at dps (although sometimes it is that as well), but at being situationaly aware which is the primary skill needed for those two activities. People that excell at trials have 2 things - the complete knowledge of their class with all its intricacies AND a good group. For example the highest I've pulled on my nightblade on the vMoL second boss was 27k, but this was at around the 40-50% Mark before the dps skyrockets due to adds. Our group at that time was unable to clear him so I never got a chance to see a full parse padded by all those adds, but I can tell you right now that especially on that fight with all those adds nerieneth would push us to 40k dps.

That's all well and good, but the two best PvE mag NB's (clarified for you) don't even reach the 4 set of adds. They kill that boss in 6-7 minutes. Which is the goal to be honest. That shows group dps and group stability. I saw your parses. 5 and 6 minute fights. That's when you get the first and second set of 3 adds to spawn.So you should have been at a good point dps wise.
6:50 fight from about 4 weeks ago from Kar Zuko. http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/screenshot2016stj6o5f4kp.png

Didn't Kar Zuko say somewhere he doesn't have nerineth

Also no you would have gotten 4 sets of adds in 6 minutes

You don't really want everyone in some aoe build for that fight good to mix it up and have people focus adds and some bosses. So it's not really the best dps to compare on it I don't think

@Nifty2g No, it's not the best to compare DPS as there are a lot of things that are going on during that fight that can alter your DPS greatly. The point of me posting the parses was to contribute my testing towards using FP w/ Nerien'eth and not have "best" DPS. If I wanted to prove I could match DPS I'd do it on a more common boss with no adds or a fight that is very static. Vezuls keeps saying he is done arguing yet he keeps replying. The whole point of this thread also has nothing even to do with using Kena. Leave it to a console player who will probably never get to that boss to keep replying based on someone elses theorycrafting and not their own.

LOL. You really are the stereotypical PC elitist. FYI I'm in the console guild that's closest to beating Vet Maw of Lorkhaj. We kill the 2nd boss about as fast as the video Fear Turbo posted. Sooooo we've made it past that boss. And you want to know something else?

We have the final boss down to less than half health. Maybe you should get your facts in check before you try talking trash, it makes you look even more elitist and ignorant.

Now that you know we're competing with you, I'm curious what your next reply is. Can't wait for the "Console Mobs have less health and do less damage than the one's on PC" comment. Always makes me laugh .

Yes, the post was about Neri, I'm simply saying Kena is better. I mean, Mashinate has said it and even after this thread still thinks Kena is better, so until someone tests Kena AND Neri multiple times and shows me consistent higher parses with Neri, Kena will be what I run. The bottom line is you're getting mad because someone disagrees with your OPINION.

If I am stubborn, you are also. You kept telling me to post pics earlier, yet you post nothing defending Neri is best in slot.

Quality reply.

How am I elitist, nothing I've said is elitist, by definition you are the elitist or just a stubborn person. Anyway to your next point, I looked all over for this video, there is no thread on the forums that I could find and there is no videos on youtube, so why would I take your word for it? I can see your comments on Fear Turbos video, I highly doubt your group on console is fully minmaxed with buff/debuff rotations required from tanks and healers, just putting that out there.

As for final boss, we haven't raided in 2 weeks, did our first raid last night and found out how to deal with lunar cycles. Lowest that boss has gotten to is 43% I believe right before final pad and we died

This is about math, not he said she said ***, you're not posting anything to back yourself only the words of others.

No I'm not getting mad, I just don't understand your thinking lol. I haven't asked you to post pictures I'm calling your whole argument a fallacy because you show no proof, I couldn't care less if you posted or not. Also what do I need to post pictures about, it's all in the OP dummy

Vezuls wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

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I'll copy and paste my post. However, Force Pulse > Funnel for sure. I still believe using Neri over Kena is a big DPS loss, but to each his own. Force Pulse is not better because of more procs on neri, it's a better skill in general. Force Pulse does more damage than Funnel, not on tooltip, but on actual mobs.

Anyway, this is my post on tamriel foundry:

Tested Force Pulse in VMoL last night on all but the final boss. (I’m not confident enough in many things to make the switch). Things I noticed
1. Definitely felt like a lot more damage (with and without Scathing Mage)
2. Easily sustainable with siphoning attacks every other twisting application (around 32 seconds; so about a high 40ish% siphoning uptime). I had 75%+ resources at all times which was crazy. I’m thinking I may not even need siphoning attacks. I did use siphoning every add spawn 2+ on second boss though.
3. The ulti gen you miss from funnel every 4 seconds is kind of noticeable, but not noticeable enough. I had an ulti (even Kena’d most of the time) for every add spawn phase on Vashai and Skinrai, which is all the ulti gen you really need.
4. I noticed some of the damage I was taking, but it wasn’t anyting that would cause a death. Just not used to the health bar dropping much :P

From my assessments, Force Pulse > Funnel in 2 scenarios
1. If you use Swallow Soul
2. If your team is good AND comfortable enough to only trust the healers for heals.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lalala. If your using siphoning skills u shouldn't even be using nerieneth. You should be using malubeth or kena with double la. With your set up your not only losing self heals for yourself but for other group members too. There's no reason why you can't be both dps and heals.

Nerieneth is better than Kena silly:) it deals 5-9% of my overall damage AND i get to medium weave non stop...oh and my resources are full:)

Kena is much better than Neri in ST fights. If not, show me some proof. Because it's general knowledge now that kena is BiS for most magic builds. Medium weaving is worse than Light Weaving from what I have seen, especially on a Magic NB. Less Merciless Resolve procs because it takes longer to medium weave than Light weave.

If You Think That Medium Weaving Is worse than Light Weaving then I have nothing more to add...merciless is a skill that has to be pressed two times (if you're aware), Assasin's will hits slightly harder than 2 swallow souls. Each time you press the button to activate merciless you are not using swallow soul. Since the animation on the two skills is the same you are gaining a slight advantage by using assasins will since it does slightly more damage and is free....

I've tested it. Unfortunately, I'm on console so I can't offer DPS reports, but I have killed Bloodspawn multiple times (Our dps test) and medium weaving was always about 2-5 seconds behind. (roughly 1-2k DPS). To avoid any further arguments, let's just agree to disagree. I get better results with Kena. Somehow you get better results with Neri. However, the best 2 magic NB's both agree Kena is better soooo

I have no issue agreeing to disagree. I do have an issue with your last sentence though. The best 2 Nightblades? Just because you have a guide up with pictures does not make you the best. I also have a guide up with some pictures, and I consider myself to be decent, but by no means the best in the game. Do you mean the best in PvP? The best in vMA? The best in trials? These are all very different things. People who have top scores in vMA and PvP are amazing players that excell not necessarily at dps (although sometimes it is that as well), but at being situationaly aware which is the primary skill needed for those two activities. People that excell at trials have 2 things - the complete knowledge of their class with all its intricacies AND a good group. For example the highest I've pulled on my nightblade on the vMoL second boss was 27k, but this was at around the 40-50% Mark before the dps skyrockets due to adds. Our group at that time was unable to clear him so I never got a chance to see a full parse padded by all those adds, but I can tell you right now that especially on that fight with all those adds nerieneth would push us to 40k dps.

That's all well and good, but the two best PvE mag NB's (clarified for you) don't even reach the 4 set of adds. They kill that boss in 6-7 minutes. Which is the goal to be honest. That shows group dps and group stability. I saw your parses. 5 and 6 minute fights. That's when you get the first and second set of 3 adds to spawn.So you should have been at a good point dps wise.
6:50 fight from about 4 weeks ago from Kar Zuko. http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/screenshot2016stj6o5f4kp.png

Didn't Kar Zuko say somewhere he doesn't have nerineth

Also no you would have gotten 4 sets of adds in 6 minutes

You don't really want everyone in some aoe build for that fight good to mix it up and have people focus adds and some bosses. So it's not really the best dps to compare on it I don't think

@Nifty2g No, it's not the best to compare DPS as there are a lot of things that are going on during that fight that can alter your DPS greatly. The point of me posting the parses was to contribute my testing towards using FP w/ Nerien'eth and not have "best" DPS. If I wanted to prove I could match DPS I'd do it on a more common boss with no adds or a fight that is very static. Vezuls keeps saying he is done arguing yet he keeps replying. The whole point of this thread also has nothing even to do with using Kena. Leave it to a console player who will probably never get to that boss to keep replying based on someone elses theorycrafting and not their own.

LOL. You really are the stereotypical PC elitist. FYI I'm in the console guild that's closest to beating Vet Maw of Lorkhaj. We kill the 2nd boss about as fast as the video Fear Turbo posted. Sooooo we've made it past that boss. And you want to know something else?

We have the final boss down to less than half health. Maybe you should get your facts in check before you try talking trash, it makes you look even more elitist and ignorant.

Now that you know we're competing with you, I'm curious what your next reply is. Can't wait for the "Console Mobs have less health and do less damage than the one's on PC" comment. Always makes me laugh .

Yes, the post was about Neri, I'm simply saying Kena is better. I mean, Mashinate has said it and even after this thread still thinks Kena is better, so until someone tests Kena AND Neri multiple times and shows me consistent higher parses with Neri, Kena will be what I run. The bottom line is you're getting mad because someone disagrees with your OPINION.

If I am stubborn, you are also. You kept telling me to post pics earlier, yet you post nothing defending Neri is best in slot.

Quality reply.

How am I elitist, nothing I've said is elitist, by definition you are the elitist or just a stubborn person. Anyway to your next point, I looked all over for this video, there is no thread on the forums that I could find and there is no videos on youtube, so why would I take your word for it? I can see your comments on Fear Turbos video, I highly doubt your group on console is fully minmaxed with buff/debuff rotations required from tanks and healers, just putting that out there.

As for final boss, we haven't raided in 2 weeks, did our first raid last night and found out how to deal with lunar cycles. Lowest that boss has gotten to is 43% I believe right before final pad and we died

This is about math, not he said she said ***, you're not posting anything to back yourself only the words of others.

No I'm not getting mad, I just don't understand your thinking lol. I haven't asked you to post pictures I'm calling your whole argument a fallacy because you show no proof, I couldn't care less if you posted or not. Also what do I need to post pictures about, it's all in the OP dummy

If you look at my reply, it was addressed to @rokrdt05... The reason you're tagged is because in his quote, he tagged you. My video's not on youtube. I said we killed the boss as fast as you did. Please, make sure you know who is being addressed before you get upset.

Our group has all the buffs and debuffs, but again, this is the mentality many PC players have where console players can't be as good as them. Sigh....

And you resort to name calling. Nifty.. Really. I'm the dummy but you're the one replying to a post addressed to someone else thinking it's about you...

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

I'll copy and paste my post. However, Force Pulse > Funnel for sure. I still believe using Neri over Kena is a big DPS loss, but to each his own. Force Pulse is not better because of more procs on neri, it's a better skill in general. Force Pulse does more damage than Funnel, not on tooltip, but on actual mobs.

Anyway, this is my post on tamriel foundry:

Tested Force Pulse in VMoL last night on all but the final boss. (I’m not confident enough in many things to make the switch). Things I noticed
1. Definitely felt like a lot more damage (with and without Scathing Mage)
2. Easily sustainable with siphoning attacks every other twisting application (around 32 seconds; so about a high 40ish% siphoning uptime). I had 75%+ resources at all times which was crazy. I’m thinking I may not even need siphoning attacks. I did use siphoning every add spawn 2+ on second boss though.
3. The ulti gen you miss from funnel every 4 seconds is kind of noticeable, but not noticeable enough. I had an ulti (even Kena’d most of the time) for every add spawn phase on Vashai and Skinrai, which is all the ulti gen you really need.
4. I noticed some of the damage I was taking, but it wasn’t anyting that would cause a death. Just not used to the health bar dropping much :P

From my assessments, Force Pulse > Funnel in 2 scenarios
1. If you use Swallow Soul
2. If your team is good AND comfortable enough to only trust the healers for heals.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lalala. If your using siphoning skills u shouldn't even be using nerieneth. You should be using malubeth or kena with double la. With your set up your not only losing self heals for yourself but for other group members too. There's no reason why you can't be both dps and heals.

Nerieneth is better than Kena silly:) it deals 5-9% of my overall damage AND i get to medium weave non stop...oh and my resources are full:)

Kena is much better than Neri in ST fights. If not, show me some proof. Because it's general knowledge now that kena is BiS for most magic builds. Medium weaving is worse than Light Weaving from what I have seen, especially on a Magic NB. Less Merciless Resolve procs because it takes longer to medium weave than Light weave.

If You Think That Medium Weaving Is worse than Light Weaving then I have nothing more to add...merciless is a skill that has to be pressed two times (if you're aware), Assasin's will hits slightly harder than 2 swallow souls. Each time you press the button to activate merciless you are not using swallow soul. Since the animation on the two skills is the same you are gaining a slight advantage by using assasins will since it does slightly more damage and is free....

I've tested it. Unfortunately, I'm on console so I can't offer DPS reports, but I have killed Bloodspawn multiple times (Our dps test) and medium weaving was always about 2-5 seconds behind. (roughly 1-2k DPS). To avoid any further arguments, let's just agree to disagree. I get better results with Kena. Somehow you get better results with Neri. However, the best 2 magic NB's both agree Kena is better soooo

I have no issue agreeing to disagree. I do have an issue with your last sentence though. The best 2 Nightblades? Just because you have a guide up with pictures does not make you the best. I also have a guide up with some pictures, and I consider myself to be decent, but by no means the best in the game. Do you mean the best in PvP? The best in vMA? The best in trials? These are all very different things. People who have top scores in vMA and PvP are amazing players that excell not necessarily at dps (although sometimes it is that as well), but at being situationaly aware which is the primary skill needed for those two activities. People that excell at trials have 2 things - the complete knowledge of their class with all its intricacies AND a good group. For example the highest I've pulled on my nightblade on the vMoL second boss was 27k, but this was at around the 40-50% Mark before the dps skyrockets due to adds. Our group at that time was unable to clear him so I never got a chance to see a full parse padded by all those adds, but I can tell you right now that especially on that fight with all those adds nerieneth would push us to 40k dps.

That's all well and good, but the two best PvE mag NB's (clarified for you) don't even reach the 4 set of adds. They kill that boss in 6-7 minutes. Which is the goal to be honest. That shows group dps and group stability. I saw your parses. 5 and 6 minute fights. That's when you get the first and second set of 3 adds to spawn.So you should have been at a good point dps wise.
6:50 fight from about 4 weeks ago from Kar Zuko. http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/screenshot2016stj6o5f4kp.png

Didn't Kar Zuko say somewhere he doesn't have nerineth

Also no you would have gotten 4 sets of adds in 6 minutes

You don't really want everyone in some aoe build for that fight good to mix it up and have people focus adds and some bosses. So it's not really the best dps to compare on it I don't think

@Nifty2g No, it's not the best to compare DPS as there are a lot of things that are going on during that fight that can alter your DPS greatly. The point of me posting the parses was to contribute my testing towards using FP w/ Nerien'eth and not have "best" DPS. If I wanted to prove I could match DPS I'd do it on a more common boss with no adds or a fight that is very static. Vezuls keeps saying he is done arguing yet he keeps replying. The whole point of this thread also has nothing even to do with using Kena. Leave it to a console player who will probably never get to that boss to keep replying based on someone elses theorycrafting and not their own.

LOL. You really are the stereotypical PC elitist. FYI I'm in the console guild that's closest to beating Vet Maw of Lorkhaj. We kill the 2nd boss about as fast as the video Fear Turbo posted. Sooooo we've made it past that boss. And you want to know something else?

We have the final boss down to less than half health. Maybe you should get your facts in check before you try talking trash, it makes you look even more elitist and ignorant.

Now that you know we're competing with you, I'm curious what your next reply is. Can't wait for the "Console Mobs have less health and do less damage than the one's on PC" comment. Always makes me laugh .

Yes, the post was about Neri, I'm simply saying Kena is better. I mean, Mashinate has said it and even after this thread still thinks Kena is better, so until someone tests Kena AND Neri multiple times and shows me consistent higher parses with Neri, Kena will be what I run. The bottom line is you're getting mad because someone disagrees with your OPINION.

If I am stubborn, you are also. You kept telling me to post pics earlier, yet you post nothing defending Neri is best in slot.

Quality reply.

How am I elitist, nothing I've said is elitist, by definition you are the elitist or just a stubborn person. Anyway to your next point, I looked all over for this video, there is no thread on the forums that I could find and there is no videos on youtube, so why would I take your word for it? I can see your comments on Fear Turbos video, I highly doubt your group on console is fully minmaxed with buff/debuff rotations required from tanks and healers, just putting that out there.

As for final boss, we haven't raided in 2 weeks, did our first raid last night and found out how to deal with lunar cycles. Lowest that boss has gotten to is 43% I believe right before final pad and we died

This is about math, not he said she said ***, you're not posting anything to back yourself only the words of others.

No I'm not getting mad, I just don't understand your thinking lol. I haven't asked you to post pictures I'm calling your whole argument a fallacy because you show no proof, I couldn't care less if you posted or not. Also what do I need to post pictures about, it's all in the OP dummy

If you look at my reply, it was addressed to @rokrdt05... The reason you're tagged is because in his quote, he tagged you. My video's not on youtube. I said we killed the boss as fast as you did. Please, make sure you know who is being addressed before you get upset.

Our group has all the buffs and debuffs, but again, this is the mentality many PC players have where console players can't be as good as them. Sigh....

And you resort to name calling. Nifty.. Really. I'm the dummy but you're the one replying to a post addressed to someone else thinking it's about you...

Look at his signature, now look at mine.
He's in my guilds

Side note, please show proof of killing second boss let alone as fast as us.

Vezuls wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

I'll copy and paste my post. However, Force Pulse > Funnel for sure. I still believe using Neri over Kena is a big DPS loss, but to each his own. Force Pulse is not better because of more procs on neri, it's a better skill in general. Force Pulse does more damage than Funnel, not on tooltip, but on actual mobs.

Anyway, this is my post on tamriel foundry:

Tested Force Pulse in VMoL last night on all but the final boss. (I’m not confident enough in many things to make the switch). Things I noticed
1. Definitely felt like a lot more damage (with and without Scathing Mage)
2. Easily sustainable with siphoning attacks every other twisting application (around 32 seconds; so about a high 40ish% siphoning uptime). I had 75%+ resources at all times which was crazy. I’m thinking I may not even need siphoning attacks. I did use siphoning every add spawn 2+ on second boss though.
3. The ulti gen you miss from funnel every 4 seconds is kind of noticeable, but not noticeable enough. I had an ulti (even Kena’d most of the time) for every add spawn phase on Vashai and Skinrai, which is all the ulti gen you really need.
4. I noticed some of the damage I was taking, but it wasn’t anyting that would cause a death. Just not used to the health bar dropping much :P

From my assessments, Force Pulse > Funnel in 2 scenarios
1. If you use Swallow Soul
2. If your team is good AND comfortable enough to only trust the healers for heals.

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Lalala. If your using siphoning skills u shouldn't even be using nerieneth. You should be using malubeth or kena with double la. With your set up your not only losing self heals for yourself but for other group members too. There's no reason why you can't be both dps and heals.

Nerieneth is better than Kena silly:) it deals 5-9% of my overall damage AND i get to medium weave non stop...oh and my resources are full:)

Kena is much better than Neri in ST fights. If not, show me some proof. Because it's general knowledge now that kena is BiS for most magic builds. Medium weaving is worse than Light Weaving from what I have seen, especially on a Magic NB. Less Merciless Resolve procs because it takes longer to medium weave than Light weave.

If You Think That Medium Weaving Is worse than Light Weaving then I have nothing more to add...merciless is a skill that has to be pressed two times (if you're aware), Assasin's will hits slightly harder than 2 swallow souls. Each time you press the button to activate merciless you are not using swallow soul. Since the animation on the two skills is the same you are gaining a slight advantage by using assasins will since it does slightly more damage and is free....

I've tested it. Unfortunately, I'm on console so I can't offer DPS reports, but I have killed Bloodspawn multiple times (Our dps test) and medium weaving was always about 2-5 seconds behind. (roughly 1-2k DPS). To avoid any further arguments, let's just agree to disagree. I get better results with Kena. Somehow you get better results with Neri. However, the best 2 magic NB's both agree Kena is better soooo

I have no issue agreeing to disagree. I do have an issue with your last sentence though. The best 2 Nightblades? Just because you have a guide up with pictures does not make you the best. I also have a guide up with some pictures, and I consider myself to be decent, but by no means the best in the game. Do you mean the best in PvP? The best in vMA? The best in trials? These are all very different things. People who have top scores in vMA and PvP are amazing players that excell not necessarily at dps (although sometimes it is that as well), but at being situationaly aware which is the primary skill needed for those two activities. People that excell at trials have 2 things - the complete knowledge of their class with all its intricacies AND a good group. For example the highest I've pulled on my nightblade on the vMoL second boss was 27k, but this was at around the 40-50% Mark before the dps skyrockets due to adds. Our group at that time was unable to clear him so I never got a chance to see a full parse padded by all those adds, but I can tell you right now that especially on that fight with all those adds nerieneth would push us to 40k dps.

That's all well and good, but the two best PvE mag NB's (clarified for you) don't even reach the 4 set of adds. They kill that boss in 6-7 minutes. Which is the goal to be honest. That shows group dps and group stability. I saw your parses. 5 and 6 minute fights. That's when you get the first and second set of 3 adds to spawn.So you should have been at a good point dps wise.
6:50 fight from about 4 weeks ago from Kar Zuko. http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/screenshot2016stj6o5f4kp.png

Didn't Kar Zuko say somewhere he doesn't have nerineth

Also no you would have gotten 4 sets of adds in 6 minutes

You don't really want everyone in some aoe build for that fight good to mix it up and have people focus adds and some bosses. So it's not really the best dps to compare on it I don't think

@Nifty2g No, it's not the best to compare DPS as there are a lot of things that are going on during that fight that can alter your DPS greatly. The point of me posting the parses was to contribute my testing towards using FP w/ Nerien'eth and not have "best" DPS. If I wanted to prove I could match DPS I'd do it on a more common boss with no adds or a fight that is very static. Vezuls keeps saying he is done arguing yet he keeps replying. The whole point of this thread also has nothing even to do with using Kena. Leave it to a console player who will probably never get to that boss to keep replying based on someone elses theorycrafting and not their own.

LOL. You really are the stereotypical PC elitist. FYI I'm in the console guild that's closest to beating Vet Maw of Lorkhaj. We kill the 2nd boss about as fast as the video Fear Turbo posted. Sooooo we've made it past that boss. And you want to know something else?

We have the final boss down to less than half health. Maybe you should get your facts in check before you try talking trash, it makes you look even more elitist and ignorant.

Now that you know we're competing with you, I'm curious what your next reply is. Can't wait for the "Console Mobs have less health and do less damage than the one's on PC" comment. Always makes me laugh .

Yes, the post was about Neri, I'm simply saying Kena is better. I mean, Mashinate has said it and even after this thread still thinks Kena is better, so until someone tests Kena AND Neri multiple times and shows me consistent higher parses with Neri, Kena will be what I run. The bottom line is you're getting mad because someone disagrees with your OPINION.

If I am stubborn, you are also. You kept telling me to post pics earlier, yet you post nothing defending Neri is best in slot.

Quality reply.

How am I elitist, nothing I've said is elitist, by definition you are the elitist or just a stubborn person. Anyway to your next point, I looked all over for this video, there is no thread on the forums that I could find and there is no videos on youtube, so why would I take your word for it? I can see your comments on Fear Turbos video, I highly doubt your group on console is fully minmaxed with buff/debuff rotations required from tanks and healers, just putting that out there.

As for final boss, we haven't raided in 2 weeks, did our first raid last night and found out how to deal with lunar cycles. Lowest that boss has gotten to is 43% I believe right before final pad and we died

This is about math, not he said she said ***, you're not posting anything to back yourself only the words of others.

No I'm not getting mad, I just don't understand your thinking lol. I haven't asked you to post pictures I'm calling your whole argument a fallacy because you show no proof, I couldn't care less if you posted or not. Also what do I need to post pictures about, it's all in the OP dummy

If you look at my reply, it was addressed to @rokrdt05... The reason you're tagged is because in his quote, he tagged you. My video's not on youtube. I said we killed the boss as fast as you did. Please, make sure you know who is being addressed before you get upset.

Our group has all the buffs and debuffs, but again, this is the mentality many PC players have where console players can't be as good as them. Sigh....

And you resort to name calling. Nifty.. Really. I'm the dummy but you're the one replying to a post addressed to someone else thinking it's about you...

Look at his signature, now look at mine.
He's in my guilds

Side note, please show proof of killing second boss let alone as fast as us.

So because I call a member of your guild elitist, it means I also called you elitist? The thing is, I don't care if you believe me. But if you want proof find someone with an xbox and look at my clips. I have a video of us killing the 2nd boss. True Vezuls is my Gamertag

I haven't recorded anything on the last boss for tactics reason, but next time we go in I'll see if it's okay for me to screenshot the final bosses health.