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Asking for gold to leave someone alone when they are grinding in IC
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »So I was in IC grinding on mobs when I found this 1 player constantly killing me over and over again. I asked for him to please stop killing me and to let us grind. He proceeded to tell me to send him 20K gold for each member in my group and only then he would leave us alone. Does this sound like a part of the game that should be allowed to happen? Has this ever happened to anyone else?
You opened the lines of communication with an offer, he responded with a counter offer.
Really, the only issue here is that you did not like the price he set.
If he had killed you over and over, then messaged you for payment without you prompting there could be a valid issue.
Even then, support would probably have responded, quite validly, that you did not have to be grinding in a PvP zone where players can freely kill you.
Telling another player to stop playing the way a zone was designed to play in warrants an equally ludicrous response though.
"Should" this be "allowed" to happen?
Well, do not personally feel that cross-faction whispering should be allowed at all, so in that sense no.
As long as they continue to allow cross-faction communication though, no harm done."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
Wisdom is doing Now that which benefits you later.
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jkemmery✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
I have 6 NBs myself - because I like stealth gameplay. The whole point of this class is being unseen until you strike and then disappear again - it is a hit and run tactic and it is done from stealth. It can go wrong, of course, and then I am basically f*cked, but so what. this is the type of gameplay I like. I do not have bad intentions with it and to kill enemies in a war zone is not a bad thing but my duty when taking part in a campaign - it is intended gameplay. But I personally would not do it to the same person over and over again. Where is the challenge in this?
My point is that the DEVs have made it so that you can engage in this style of play with ease when compared to ANY other style of play. It's great that you like to play that way, but face the fact that you have the cards stacked in your favor by the DEVS. You get powerful burst damage and an escape mechanism that are both so far superior to what any other class can do that you have to screw up NOT to win as a NB, but every other class requires real skill NOT to be constantly the victim of ganks. It's clearly an unfair situation. I have no problem with the play style. It's fine that you enjoy it. But don't think that because you can run around killing other players at will that you are a more skilled player. You have the advantage of playing in the class that the DEVS have given the most powerful set of tools to.2 -
bedlom✭✭✭✭✭
✭billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »So I was in IC grinding on mobs when I found this 1 player constantly killing me over and over again. I asked for him to please stop killing me and to let us grind. He proceeded to tell me to send him 20K gold for each member in my group and only then he would leave us alone. Does this sound like a part of the game that should be allowed to happen? Has this ever happened to anyone else?
Lmao. No! Because I play IC with the expectation of conflict with other players, as it is supposed to be.1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
I have 6 NBs myself - because I like stealth gameplay. The whole point of this class is being unseen until you strike and then disappear again - it is a hit and run tactic and it is done from stealth. It can go wrong, of course, and then I am basically f*cked, but so what. this is the type of gameplay I like. I do not have bad intentions with it and to kill enemies in a war zone is not a bad thing but my duty when taking part in a campaign - it is intended gameplay. But I personally would not do it to the same person over and over again. Where is the challenge in this?
My point is that the DEVs have made it so that you can engage in this style of play with ease when compared to ANY other style of play. It's great that you like to play that way, but face the fact that you have the cards stacked in your favor by the DEVS. You get powerful burst damage and an escape mechanism that are both so far superior to what any other class can do that you have to screw up NOT to win as a NB, but every other class requires real skill NOT to be constantly the victim of ganks. It's clearly an unfair situation. I have no problem with the play style. It's fine that you enjoy it. But don't think that because you can run around killing other players at will that you are a more skilled player. You have the advantage of playing in the class that the DEVS have given the most powerful set of tools to.
I personally will not be that kind of NB - I do hybrid builds, which are not overpowered. I am quite aware of that this will make me a lot weaker, but it is more fun to play this way. I was never fond of having the best gear or being the best by numbers, I try to balance the disadvantages of a hybrid build out by smarter gameplay. To me it will be a challenge and not a cakewalk.
Edit: and as a casual player with not much time to play, I will never ever get any near to having a lot of CP or really good gear as well. But this does not bother me, I am a role player and accept my weaknesses. And there is a non-cp campaign now, so I do not have to bother with CP or the lack of those - I can participate as well.
And you are mistaken, when you think that I have any need for feeling superior in a game. I am just playing to have some fun together with others, if I feel like it. I am happy if I am able to swim with the crowd and do not totally suck. This is all what I expect from a game, that I have some fun in it and can make some online friends - if possible friends for life time beyond the game - I have a few of those from other games.
And just to state this clearly - I would play a NB as well if the class would suck - because I like stealth gameplay, regardless if that is favorable or not.Edited by Lysette on April 12, 2016 8:23PM0 -
Jaronking✭✭✭✭✭
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Am sorry but your biased as hell and am tired of people blaming NB because they sucks.To say Sorcs can do OK is a lie when their the biggest Face roll class in game right now and the easiest class in the game to do well as.Also to say you don't need skill to play a NB show you never fought a Good NB or you just don't know how to play because you can't beat a NB.Accept it man and stop complaining about NB when the real problem class is SORC.I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
What about those people who use those skills,but never go to IC? Nerf them as well? Punish them for others bad behavior? That wouldnt be right.We NBs already had the cloaking abilities taken down a notch. Dont take them down a even more.
Yes,if one cant beat the NB,..join em. Simple and a lot of fun.
Yes, but it makes for a boring game when one class is so clearly superior to all others. PVP is no longer fun for anyone but NB's and it sucks. Sorcs can do OK. Skilled players who are DKs and Temps can do OK, but anyone with 300 CP and a NB can gank all day long. It's just ridiculous. It's freaking easy to play a NB because you don't really need skill, the cards are stacked in your favor by the DEVS. Face the truth.
Am sorry but it bugs me when people complain about NB when they are not the problem it you.You have to adept and change your play style to deal with different builds in the game.1 -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭]
Am sorry but your biased as hell and am tired of people blaming NB because they sucks.To say Sorcs can do OK is a lie when their the biggest Face roll class in game right now and the easiest class in the game to do well as.Also to say you don't need skill to play a NB show you never fought a Good NB or you just don't know how to play because you can't beat a NB.Accept it man and stop complaining about NB when the real problem class is SORC.I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
What about those people who use those skills,but never go to IC? Nerf them as well? Punish them for others bad behavior? That wouldnt be right.We NBs already had the cloaking abilities taken down a notch. Dont take them down a even more.
Yes,if one cant beat the NB,..join em. Simple and a lot of fun.
Yes, but it makes for a boring game when one class is so clearly superior to all others. PVP is no longer fun for anyone but NB's and it sucks. Sorcs can do OK. Skilled players who are DKs and Temps can do OK, but anyone with 300 CP and a NB can gank all day long. It's just ridiculous. It's freaking easy to play a NB because you don't really need skill, the cards are stacked in your favor by the DEVS. Face the truth.
Am sorry but it bugs me when people complain about NB when they are not the problem it you.You have to adept and change your play style to deal with different builds in the game.
I didn't mean to get personal, but that's the way I see it. If you constantly see people talking about how NB's are OP, well maybe take heed and realize yeah, they are.2 -
Jaronking✭✭✭✭✭
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Yea but the same players refused to slot a Counter to NB cloak and then still complain about them being OP.So yea I take their complaints with a Grain of Salt.]
Am sorry but your biased as hell and am tired of people blaming NB because they sucks.To say Sorcs can do OK is a lie when their the biggest Face roll class in game right now and the easiest class in the game to do well as.Also to say you don't need skill to play a NB show you never fought a Good NB or you just don't know how to play because you can't beat a NB.Accept it man and stop complaining about NB when the real problem class is SORC.I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
What about those people who use those skills,but never go to IC? Nerf them as well? Punish them for others bad behavior? That wouldnt be right.We NBs already had the cloaking abilities taken down a notch. Dont take them down a even more.
Yes,if one cant beat the NB,..join em. Simple and a lot of fun.
Yes, but it makes for a boring game when one class is so clearly superior to all others. PVP is no longer fun for anyone but NB's and it sucks. Sorcs can do OK. Skilled players who are DKs and Temps can do OK, but anyone with 300 CP and a NB can gank all day long. It's just ridiculous. It's freaking easy to play a NB because you don't really need skill, the cards are stacked in your favor by the DEVS. Face the truth.
Am sorry but it bugs me when people complain about NB when they are not the problem it you.You have to adept and change your play style to deal with different builds in the game.
I didn't mean to get personal, but that's the way I see it. If you constantly see people talking about how NB's are OP, well maybe take heed and realize yeah, they are.3 -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
I have 6 NBs myself - because I like stealth gameplay. The whole point of this class is being unseen until you strike and then disappear again - it is a hit and run tactic and it is done from stealth. It can go wrong, of course, and then I am basically f*cked, but so what. this is the type of gameplay I like. I do not have bad intentions with it and to kill enemies in a war zone is not a bad thing but my duty when taking part in a campaign - it is intended gameplay. But I personally would not do it to the same person over and over again. Where is the challenge in this?
My point is that the DEVs have made it so that you can engage in this style of play with ease when compared to ANY other style of play. It's great that you like to play that way, but face the fact that you have the cards stacked in your favor by the DEVS. You get powerful burst damage and an escape mechanism that are both so far superior to what any other class can do that you have to screw up NOT to win as a NB, but every other class requires real skill NOT to be constantly the victim of ganks. It's clearly an unfair situation. I have no problem with the play style. It's fine that you enjoy it. But don't think that because you can run around killing other players at will that you are a more skilled player. You have the advantage of playing in the class that the DEVS have given the most powerful set of tools to.
I personally will not be that kind of NB - I do hybrid builds, which are not overpowered. I am quite aware of that this will make me a lot weaker, but it is more fun to play this way. I was never fond of having the best gear or being the best by numbers, I try to balance the disadvantages of a hybrid build out by smarter gameplay. To me it will be a challenge and not a cakewalk.
Edit: and as a casual player with not much time to play, I will never ever get any near to having a lot of CP or really good gear as well. But this does not bother me, I am a role player and accept my weaknesses. And there is a non-cp campaign now, so I do not have to bother with CP or the lack of those - I can participate as well.
And you are mistaken, when you think that I have any need for feeling superior in a game. I am just playing to have some fun together with others, if I feel like it. I am happy if I am able to swim with the crowd and do not totally suck. This is all what I expect from a game, that I have some fun in it and can make some online friends - if possible friends for life time beyond the game - I have a few of those from other games.
And just to state this clearly - I would play a NB as well if the class would suck - because I like stealth gameplay, regardless if that is favorable or not.
And that's great. I prefer toe-to-toe brawling, but that's been nerfed to the point that it's simply not a viable play style, and my interest in the game has waned. I will in all likelihood end my subscription to ESO Plus because it's really not fun anymore. I may find I enjoy the stealthy type of play style, I'm willing to give it a chance. However, I do remember when NB's complained like crazy.Edited by jkemmery on April 12, 2016 8:37PM0 -
Epsilon_Echo✭✭✭✭InB4 petition for pvp "safe spaces" with coloring tables and mannequins to show where the bad ganker touched you. Also before pvp consent rules and "no-means-no" tabbards.2 -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭Epsilon_Echo wrote: »InB4 petition for pvp "safe spaces" with coloring tables and mannequins to show where the bad ganker touched you. Also before pvp consent rules and "no-means-no" tabbards.
I'd prefer true class balance.0 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Epsilon_Echo wrote: »InB4 petition for pvp "safe spaces" with coloring tables and mannequins to show where the bad ganker touched you. Also before pvp consent rules and "no-means-no" tabbards.
Ooo,I like the "no means no" tabards.Lol!
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ElderBugOffline✭✭✭well todays evening was profitable - 50k gold from different PVE scrubs migrate to my pockets
and also it was fun!
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jkemmery✭✭✭✭ElderBugOffline wrote: »well todays evening was profitable - 50k gold from different PVE scrubs migrate to my pockets
and also it was fun!
How much were you charging each? Just curious.0 -
rokrdt05✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
I have 6 NBs myself - because I like stealth gameplay. The whole point of this class is being unseen until you strike and then disappear again - it is a hit and run tactic and it is done from stealth. It can go wrong, of course, and then I am basically f*cked, but so what. this is the type of gameplay I like. I do not have bad intentions with it and to kill enemies in a war zone is not a bad thing but my duty when taking part in a campaign - it is intended gameplay. But I personally would not do it to the same person over and over again. Where is the challenge in this?
My point is that the DEVs have made it so that you can engage in this style of play with ease when compared to ANY other style of play. It's great that you like to play that way, but face the fact that you have the cards stacked in your favor by the DEVS. You get powerful burst damage and an escape mechanism that are both so far superior to what any other class can do that you have to screw up NOT to win as a NB, but every other class requires real skill NOT to be constantly the victim of ganks. It's clearly an unfair situation. I have no problem with the play style. It's fine that you enjoy it. But don't think that because you can run around killing other players at will that you are a more skilled player. You have the advantage of playing in the class that the DEVS have given the most powerful set of tools to.
LOL.
Your views are so skewed. Yes a NB has cloak, but guess what? There are a dozen+ counters to cloak. The fact you try and say other classes don't compare to a NB is so unfounded. Let's also look at the fact you are lumping in stamina/magicka NB's which have different playstyles within in each. Have you fought a good stamina based class as a magicka NB? It's not easy if that player knows what they're doing.
It's just funny really, Sorcs have more maneuverability than a NB does. It really sounds like you just need to L2P.Server: PC - North America - Daggerfall/Ebonheart
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
I have 6 NBs myself - because I like stealth gameplay. The whole point of this class is being unseen until you strike and then disappear again - it is a hit and run tactic and it is done from stealth. It can go wrong, of course, and then I am basically f*cked, but so what. this is the type of gameplay I like. I do not have bad intentions with it and to kill enemies in a war zone is not a bad thing but my duty when taking part in a campaign - it is intended gameplay. But I personally would not do it to the same person over and over again. Where is the challenge in this?
My point is that the DEVs have made it so that you can engage in this style of play with ease when compared to ANY other style of play. It's great that you like to play that way, but face the fact that you have the cards stacked in your favor by the DEVS. You get powerful burst damage and an escape mechanism that are both so far superior to what any other class can do that you have to screw up NOT to win as a NB, but every other class requires real skill NOT to be constantly the victim of ganks. It's clearly an unfair situation. I have no problem with the play style. It's fine that you enjoy it. But don't think that because you can run around killing other players at will that you are a more skilled player. You have the advantage of playing in the class that the DEVS have given the most powerful set of tools to.
I personally will not be that kind of NB - I do hybrid builds, which are not overpowered. I am quite aware of that this will make me a lot weaker, but it is more fun to play this way. I was never fond of having the best gear or being the best by numbers, I try to balance the disadvantages of a hybrid build out by smarter gameplay. To me it will be a challenge and not a cakewalk.
Edit: and as a casual player with not much time to play, I will never ever get any near to having a lot of CP or really good gear as well. But this does not bother me, I am a role player and accept my weaknesses. And there is a non-cp campaign now, so I do not have to bother with CP or the lack of those - I can participate as well.
And you are mistaken, when you think that I have any need for feeling superior in a game. I am just playing to have some fun together with others, if I feel like it. I am happy if I am able to swim with the crowd and do not totally suck. This is all what I expect from a game, that I have some fun in it and can make some online friends - if possible friends for life time beyond the game - I have a few of those from other games.
And just to state this clearly - I would play a NB as well if the class would suck - because I like stealth gameplay, regardless if that is favorable or not.
And that's great. I prefer toe-to-toe brawling, but that's been nerfed to the point that it's simply not a viable play style, and my interest in the game has waned. I will in all likelihood end my subscription to ESO Plus because it's really not fun anymore. I may find I enjoy the stealthy type of play style, I'm willing to give it a chance. However, I do remember when NB's complained like crazy.
It's questionable, if you will be able to enjoy stealth gameplay as a brawler, because it goes well with sniping and ranged combat, but not so well with close combat. I have as well 2 sorcs, because I thought I could play them in a conjurer like way, I liked illusion/conjurer combi in Skyrim, but Sorc minions suck. Sorc might be powerful in some way, but not in the sense in which I would like them to be, so I am pretty unhappy with this class - I will still give it a try, but it might never become my favorite - powerful or not, it is no fun to me. I might delete them and choose something else - but what, there is not much what ESO would have to offer me but NB. I am neither the healer type nor do I like brawling - so I am basically stuck with NB.0 -
ElderBugOffline✭✭✭you know this song right
I'm gonna pop some tvars, only got twenty stones in my pocket,
I'm, I'm, I'm hunting, looking for a grinder, this is *** awesome!
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jkemmery✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
I have 6 NBs myself - because I like stealth gameplay. The whole point of this class is being unseen until you strike and then disappear again - it is a hit and run tactic and it is done from stealth. It can go wrong, of course, and then I am basically f*cked, but so what. this is the type of gameplay I like. I do not have bad intentions with it and to kill enemies in a war zone is not a bad thing but my duty when taking part in a campaign - it is intended gameplay. But I personally would not do it to the same person over and over again. Where is the challenge in this?
My point is that the DEVs have made it so that you can engage in this style of play with ease when compared to ANY other style of play. It's great that you like to play that way, but face the fact that you have the cards stacked in your favor by the DEVS. You get powerful burst damage and an escape mechanism that are both so far superior to what any other class can do that you have to screw up NOT to win as a NB, but every other class requires real skill NOT to be constantly the victim of ganks. It's clearly an unfair situation. I have no problem with the play style. It's fine that you enjoy it. But don't think that because you can run around killing other players at will that you are a more skilled player. You have the advantage of playing in the class that the DEVS have given the most powerful set of tools to.
LOL.
Your views are so skewed. Yes a NB has cloak, but guess what? There are a dozen+ counters to cloak. The fact you try and say other classes don't compare to a NB is so unfounded. Let's also look at the fact you are lumping in stamina/magicka NB's which have different playstyles within in each. Have you fought a good stamina based class as a magicka NB? It's not easy if that player knows what they're doing.
It's just funny really, Sorcs have more maneuverability than a NB does. It really sounds like you just need to L2P.
A dozen? Really? NO. Magelight and Revealing Flare, but the cost/range/duration make them a freaking joke. They are NOT effective counters to cloak, plain and simple. Try again.0 -
rokrdt05✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
I have 6 NBs myself - because I like stealth gameplay. The whole point of this class is being unseen until you strike and then disappear again - it is a hit and run tactic and it is done from stealth. It can go wrong, of course, and then I am basically f*cked, but so what. this is the type of gameplay I like. I do not have bad intentions with it and to kill enemies in a war zone is not a bad thing but my duty when taking part in a campaign - it is intended gameplay. But I personally would not do it to the same person over and over again. Where is the challenge in this?
My point is that the DEVs have made it so that you can engage in this style of play with ease when compared to ANY other style of play. It's great that you like to play that way, but face the fact that you have the cards stacked in your favor by the DEVS. You get powerful burst damage and an escape mechanism that are both so far superior to what any other class can do that you have to screw up NOT to win as a NB, but every other class requires real skill NOT to be constantly the victim of ganks. It's clearly an unfair situation. I have no problem with the play style. It's fine that you enjoy it. But don't think that because you can run around killing other players at will that you are a more skilled player. You have the advantage of playing in the class that the DEVS have given the most powerful set of tools to.
LOL.
Your views are so skewed. Yes a NB has cloak, but guess what? There are a dozen+ counters to cloak. The fact you try and say other classes don't compare to a NB is so unfounded. Let's also look at the fact you are lumping in stamina/magicka NB's which have different playstyles within in each. Have you fought a good stamina based class as a magicka NB? It's not easy if that player knows what they're doing.
It's just funny really, Sorcs have more maneuverability than a NB does. It really sounds like you just need to L2P.
A dozen? Really? NO. Magelight and Revealing Flare, but the cost/range/duration make them a freaking joke. They are NOT effective counters to cloak, plain and simple. Try again.
No need to try, a simple search of the forums will give you the answer... as I said before L2P and quit trying to throw your inadequacies onto one class.Server: PC - North America - Daggerfall/Ebonheart
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jkemmery✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
I have 6 NBs myself - because I like stealth gameplay. The whole point of this class is being unseen until you strike and then disappear again - it is a hit and run tactic and it is done from stealth. It can go wrong, of course, and then I am basically f*cked, but so what. this is the type of gameplay I like. I do not have bad intentions with it and to kill enemies in a war zone is not a bad thing but my duty when taking part in a campaign - it is intended gameplay. But I personally would not do it to the same person over and over again. Where is the challenge in this?
My point is that the DEVs have made it so that you can engage in this style of play with ease when compared to ANY other style of play. It's great that you like to play that way, but face the fact that you have the cards stacked in your favor by the DEVS. You get powerful burst damage and an escape mechanism that are both so far superior to what any other class can do that you have to screw up NOT to win as a NB, but every other class requires real skill NOT to be constantly the victim of ganks. It's clearly an unfair situation. I have no problem with the play style. It's fine that you enjoy it. But don't think that because you can run around killing other players at will that you are a more skilled player. You have the advantage of playing in the class that the DEVS have given the most powerful set of tools to.
LOL.
Your views are so skewed. Yes a NB has cloak, but guess what? There are a dozen+ counters to cloak. The fact you try and say other classes don't compare to a NB is so unfounded. Let's also look at the fact you are lumping in stamina/magicka NB's which have different playstyles within in each. Have you fought a good stamina based class as a magicka NB? It's not easy if that player knows what they're doing.
It's just funny really, Sorcs have more maneuverability than a NB does. It really sounds like you just need to L2P.
A dozen? Really? NO. Magelight and Revealing Flare, but the cost/range/duration make them a freaking joke. They are NOT effective counters to cloak, plain and simple. Try again.
No need to try, a simple search of the forums will give you the answer... as I said before L2P and quit trying to throw your inadequacies onto one class.
OK. Look at all the complaints about NBs being OP on the forums ... but I guess we all need to L2P. You have an OP class and you think that makes you "skilled". Wake up. If we went back to the original rules, you'd be getting facerolled constantly. If you don't know that for a fact then you are deluding yourself.Edited by jkemmery on April 12, 2016 9:38PM0 -
rokrdt05✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
I have 6 NBs myself - because I like stealth gameplay. The whole point of this class is being unseen until you strike and then disappear again - it is a hit and run tactic and it is done from stealth. It can go wrong, of course, and then I am basically f*cked, but so what. this is the type of gameplay I like. I do not have bad intentions with it and to kill enemies in a war zone is not a bad thing but my duty when taking part in a campaign - it is intended gameplay. But I personally would not do it to the same person over and over again. Where is the challenge in this?
My point is that the DEVs have made it so that you can engage in this style of play with ease when compared to ANY other style of play. It's great that you like to play that way, but face the fact that you have the cards stacked in your favor by the DEVS. You get powerful burst damage and an escape mechanism that are both so far superior to what any other class can do that you have to screw up NOT to win as a NB, but every other class requires real skill NOT to be constantly the victim of ganks. It's clearly an unfair situation. I have no problem with the play style. It's fine that you enjoy it. But don't think that because you can run around killing other players at will that you are a more skilled player. You have the advantage of playing in the class that the DEVS have given the most powerful set of tools to.
LOL.
Your views are so skewed. Yes a NB has cloak, but guess what? There are a dozen+ counters to cloak. The fact you try and say other classes don't compare to a NB is so unfounded. Let's also look at the fact you are lumping in stamina/magicka NB's which have different playstyles within in each. Have you fought a good stamina based class as a magicka NB? It's not easy if that player knows what they're doing.
It's just funny really, Sorcs have more maneuverability than a NB does. It really sounds like you just need to L2P.
A dozen? Really? NO. Magelight and Revealing Flare, but the cost/range/duration make them a freaking joke. They are NOT effective counters to cloak, plain and simple. Try again.
No need to try, a simple search of the forums will give you the answer... as I said before L2P and quit trying to throw your inadequacies onto one class.
OK. Look at all the complaints about NBs being OP on the forums ... but I guess we all need to L2P. You have an OP class and you think that makes you "skilled". Wake up, fool. If we wen't back to the original rules, you'd be getting facerolled constantly. Suck it.
lol and yet I play every class and I kill most NB's when I'm on my other classes. What makes a class good is a player... the player who learns the mechanics/skills and uses it to the highest degree available. The fact you believe there are only 2 counters to cloak speaks to your knowledge as a player. The fact that you spend time listening to everyone on the forums speaks to your knowledge as a player. I have no issues with specific classes, I have issues with players.
But you'll continue to QQ anyways because you refuse to L2P.Server: PC - North America - Daggerfall/Ebonheart
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vyrusb23✭✭✭✭✭This thread is causing me distress and ruining my forum experience. Please close it.3
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jkemmery✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
I have 6 NBs myself - because I like stealth gameplay. The whole point of this class is being unseen until you strike and then disappear again - it is a hit and run tactic and it is done from stealth. It can go wrong, of course, and then I am basically f*cked, but so what. this is the type of gameplay I like. I do not have bad intentions with it and to kill enemies in a war zone is not a bad thing but my duty when taking part in a campaign - it is intended gameplay. But I personally would not do it to the same person over and over again. Where is the challenge in this?
My point is that the DEVs have made it so that you can engage in this style of play with ease when compared to ANY other style of play. It's great that you like to play that way, but face the fact that you have the cards stacked in your favor by the DEVS. You get powerful burst damage and an escape mechanism that are both so far superior to what any other class can do that you have to screw up NOT to win as a NB, but every other class requires real skill NOT to be constantly the victim of ganks. It's clearly an unfair situation. I have no problem with the play style. It's fine that you enjoy it. But don't think that because you can run around killing other players at will that you are a more skilled player. You have the advantage of playing in the class that the DEVS have given the most powerful set of tools to.
LOL.
Your views are so skewed. Yes a NB has cloak, but guess what? There are a dozen+ counters to cloak. The fact you try and say other classes don't compare to a NB is so unfounded. Let's also look at the fact you are lumping in stamina/magicka NB's which have different playstyles within in each. Have you fought a good stamina based class as a magicka NB? It's not easy if that player knows what they're doing.
It's just funny really, Sorcs have more maneuverability than a NB does. It really sounds like you just need to L2P.
A dozen? Really? NO. Magelight and Revealing Flare, but the cost/range/duration make them a freaking joke. They are NOT effective counters to cloak, plain and simple. Try again.
No need to try, a simple search of the forums will give you the answer... as I said before L2P and quit trying to throw your inadequacies onto one class.
OK. Look at all the complaints about NBs being OP on the forums ... but I guess we all need to L2P. You have an OP class and you think that makes you "skilled". Wake up, fool. If we wen't back to the original rules, you'd be getting facerolled constantly. Suck it.
lol and yet I play every class and I kill most NB's when I'm on my other classes. What makes a class good is a player... the player who learns the mechanics/skills and uses it to the highest degree available. The fact you believe there are only 2 counters to cloak speaks to your knowledge as a player. The fact that you spend time listening to everyone on the forums speaks to your knowledge as a player. I have no issues with specific classes, I have issues with players.
But you'll continue to QQ anyways because you refuse to L2P.
I see you play the game a lot, based on the claim that you have 2 former Empress chars. I'm sure you're much better than me and have CP capped and all of that. If I even had the kind of time to devote to the game that you have, I may not be as good as you. There are more important things in my life than ESO, but I'm aware of the kind of time you need to play to make Emp. Congrats to you. Really. However, just because there are those of us who can't devote 60+ hours a week to the game, it doesn't mean we "refuse to L2P". We have things like jobs and families to support, households that need running ... that sort of thing. It's nice that you have the kind of lifestyle that allows you to devote the kind of time you do to the game. I'm sure your parents are proud of you.2 -
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