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Asking for gold to leave someone alone when they are grinding in IC
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Delegator✭✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »You are not entitled to your grind. AND you in are PvP. Get used to it.
This. I had some idiot last night telling me to leave Old Orsinium because "they" were grinding there. Because, I guess, this isn't a multiplayer game...
I told him to get bent and then put him on ignore. In the case of the original poster here, the proper response would be to get some friends to kill the enemy and camp the relevant ladders until he stopped coming back. Or go somewhere else, because it's a PVP zone. Pretty simple really.
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Humphie✭✭✭✭✭Brutusmax1mus wrote: »newtinmpls wrote: »To be specific for those who don't get it..........
https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct?q=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&p=fce92e19-9893-469b-89b8-f994d19f90d1&ts=1460423058&c=zenimaxonline&e=live&rt=AfterEvent&h=666bb92f2d51c4a81b66555d135ab2ba
Go to #2 B e h a v i o r
Then #2.5
Thank you and have a good day, bye bye now
Just in case it's too difficult for some:
2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience.
Again... if you really can't tell that a behavior is bullying....probably means you have some social problems.
and yes.. I work in psych.
You sound like a psych job fits you well.
First of all IMO, since you messaged him first your case is hurt a ton. I'm not sure if you asked him to leave you alone and that was his suggestion, or if you asked what you could do to get him to stop, but that fact is very important as well. A realistic account of what happened is needed so we are all just speculating.
If a grinder for xp was doing a better job than you getting xp and you messaged him to stop and it ended in payment being the end all, i don't see a problem on it at all what so ever. It's still "breaking" your experience and rule 2.5 technically, if you're a little entitled.
I see nothing wrong unless he messaged you first demanding it out he wouldn't stop, and even then i don't think it's a problem. Plenty of options to get away from that situation...
It could be seen the other way round as well - asking a pvper to stop pvping in a pvp zone is disrupting his experience to pvp in a pvp zone. So this request could be seen as harassment as well - towards the pvp player, who just wants to enjoy pvp in a pvp zone and is blamed for doing so.
That!
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Hadan_of_Rift✭✭✭✭
Why? Why should he? Is the PvPer not entitled to be able to enjoy the game he is paying for? So he can't PvP in PvE zone so now he shouldn't be able to PvP in PvP zones?Secondly,the OP didnt ask him to leave the grinding area,just to leave him and his pal alone.The OP also didnt tell the ganker that he couldnt grind as well.Just to not kill them over and over.Once or twice might be ok,but not asking for gold.
If you can't handle being killed in PvP don't go to PvP zones, and if you do certainly don't qq about it. Take responsibility for your actions that 1) you decided to go to a PvP zone and 2) you can't defend yourself.
I said the exact same thing. The OP contacted the PvPer and broke the TOS by harassing and ruining his experience.It could be seen the other way round as well - asking a pvper to stop pvping in a pvp zone is disrupting his experience to pvp in a pvp zone. So this request could be seen as harassment as well - towards the pvp player, who just wants to enjoy pvp in a pvp zone and is blamed for doing so.Edited by Hadan_of_Rift on April 12, 2016 6:36PM2 -
ElderBugOffline✭✭✭Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Don't you get a diminishing amount of TV stones and AP for killing the same person over and over?
It's not diminishing in the sense of consecutive kills. It's time since last kill for AP. A couple minutes between each kill. Tel var is purely a % of what stones the player has on him at time of death
Ah ok thanks for the clarification. I thought it would be worth less and less every time back to back.Sheezabeast wrote: »Don't you get a diminishing amount of TV stones and AP for killing the same person over and over?
They didnt want the stones,they wanted 20k gold to leave the other player alone.
I didn't assume they wanted the stones though
They were in a PVP enviroment, yes. The ganker is just as entitled to grind AP as the OP is entitled to grind mobs. Is asking someone not to kill you non-conducive to PVP? Yeah. But the people claiming its role-playing are full of crap and its silly to see people over-reaching to justify being a greedy jerk.
It's because certain ones are just like that greedy jerk.So they need to defend him.
Or he was enjoying the game that he paid for and doing PvP in a PvP zone. Why do you think you have any right to ask a PvP player to stop PvPing? Flip the scenario a PvP who isn't good at PvE wants to grind your special PvE leveling spot. He's running around trying to keep up and get experience, you are out grinding him. He messages you to leave the area so he can grind it without you taking the experience. You just leave? Ok np I want to level my character here but sure I'll leave... complete BS.
I honestly, don't understand the confusion here at all.
1) You know most of the game is PvE only
2) You know you are going into a PvP area
3) You know in a PvP area you can get you know PvP'd and killed
But you still QQ about it. It's like telling the police office who's giving a speeding ticket "Yeah I know the listed speed was 25, but I wanted to go 50 so because I wanted to you shouldn't give me the ticket."
Firstly,I am not asking anyone to do anything.I am simply stating my own point of view,even if it isnt popular with some here.Fine with me,but I wont insult them for it.
Secondly,the OP didnt ask him to leave the grinding area,just to leave him and his pal alone.The OP also didnt tell the ganker that he couldnt grind as well.Just to not kill them over and over.Once or twice might be ok,but not asking for gold.
@Volkodav
jeeeez its impossible
you have most despicable, groveling and dishonorable point of view
asking for gold from ganker side is completely normal, allowed and reasonable
here is a dosen posts with very well described position why you was wrond and why your point to be in err
but you still cannot see the truth
really
LOLDEdited by ElderBugOffline on April 12, 2016 7:21PM0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ElderBugOffline wrote: »Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Don't you get a diminishing amount of TV stones and AP for killing the same person over and over?
It's not diminishing in the sense of consecutive kills. It's time since last kill for AP. A couple minutes between each kill. Tel var is purely a % of what stones the player has on him at time of death
Ah ok thanks for the clarification. I thought it would be worth less and less every time back to back.Sheezabeast wrote: »Don't you get a diminishing amount of TV stones and AP for killing the same person over and over?
They didnt want the stones,they wanted 20k gold to leave the other player alone.
I didn't assume they wanted the stones though They were in a PVP enviroment, yes. The ganker is just as entitled to grind AP as the OP is entitled to grind mobs. Is asking someone not to kill you non-conducive to PVP? Yeah. But the people claiming its role-playing are full of crap and its silly to see people over-reaching to justify being a greedy jerk.
It's because certain ones are just like that greedy jerk.So they need to defend him.
Or he was enjoying the game that he paid for and doing PvP in a PvP zone. Why do you think you have any right to ask a PvP player to stop PvPing? Flip the scenario a PvP who isn't good at PvE wants to grind your special PvE leveling spot. He's running around trying to keep up and get experience, you are out grinding him. He messages you to leave the area so he can grind it without you taking the experience. You just leave? Ok np I want to level my character here but sure I'll leave... complete BS.
I honestly, don't understand the confusion here at all.
1) You know most of the game is PvE only
2) You know you are going into a PvP area
3) You know in a PvP area you can get you know PvP'd and killed
But you still QQ about it. It's like telling the police office who's giving a speeding ticket "Yeah I know the listed speed was 25, but I wanted to go 50 so because I wanted to you shouldn't give me the ticket."
Firstly,I am not asking anyone to do anything.I am simply stating my own point of view,even if it isnt popular with some here.Fine with me,but I wont insult them for it.
Secondly,the OP didnt ask him to leave the grinding area,just to leave him and his pal alone.The OP also didnt tell the ganker that he couldnt grind as well.Just to not kill them over and over.Once or twice might be ok,but not asking for gold.
@Volkodav
jeeeez its impossible
you have most despicable, groveling and dishonorable point of view
asking for gold from ganker side is completely notmal, allowed and reasonable
here is a dosen posts with very well described position why you was wrond and why your point to be in err
but you still cannot see the truth
really
LOLD
She is entitled to her point of view as well. No one has to agree with it, but it should be respected.4 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ElderBugOffline wrote: »Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Don't you get a diminishing amount of TV stones and AP for killing the same person over and over?
It's not diminishing in the sense of consecutive kills. It's time since last kill for AP. A couple minutes between each kill. Tel var is purely a % of what stones the player has on him at time of death
Ah ok thanks for the clarification. I thought it would be worth less and less every time back to back.Sheezabeast wrote: »Don't you get a diminishing amount of TV stones and AP for killing the same person over and over?
They didnt want the stones,they wanted 20k gold to leave the other player alone.
I didn't assume they wanted the stones though They were in a PVP enviroment, yes. The ganker is just as entitled to grind AP as the OP is entitled to grind mobs. Is asking someone not to kill you non-conducive to PVP? Yeah. But the people claiming its role-playing are full of crap and its silly to see people over-reaching to justify being a greedy jerk.
It's because certain ones are just like that greedy jerk.So they need to defend him.
Or he was enjoying the game that he paid for and doing PvP in a PvP zone. Why do you think you have any right to ask a PvP player to stop PvPing? Flip the scenario a PvP who isn't good at PvE wants to grind your special PvE leveling spot. He's running around trying to keep up and get experience, you are out grinding him. He messages you to leave the area so he can grind it without you taking the experience. You just leave? Ok np I want to level my character here but sure I'll leave... complete BS.
I honestly, don't understand the confusion here at all.
1) You know most of the game is PvE only
2) You know you are going into a PvP area
3) You know in a PvP area you can get you know PvP'd and killed
But you still QQ about it. It's like telling the police office who's giving a speeding ticket "Yeah I know the listed speed was 25, but I wanted to go 50 so because I wanted to you shouldn't give me the ticket."
Firstly,I am not asking anyone to do anything.I am simply stating my own point of view,even if it isnt popular with some here.Fine with me,but I wont insult them for it.
Secondly,the OP didnt ask him to leave the grinding area,just to leave him and his pal alone.The OP also didnt tell the ganker that he couldnt grind as well.Just to not kill them over and over.Once or twice might be ok,but not asking for gold.
@Volkodav
jeeeez its impossible
you have most despicable, groveling and dishonorable point of view
asking for gold from ganker side is completely notmal, allowed and reasonable
here is a dosen posts with very well described position why you was wrond and why your point to be in err
but you still cannot see the truth
really
LOLD
She is entitled to her point of view as well. No one has to agree with it, but it should be respected.
Thank you,Lysette. 0 -
RDMyers65b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Here's a solution. When you die, hit release. That puts you in a safe zone. Then hit "L" and choose your guest campaign. You can go there for the time and likely won't see the ganker again.0 -
Judas Helviaryn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭ElderBugOffline wrote: »Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Don't you get a diminishing amount of TV stones and AP for killing the same person over and over?
It's not diminishing in the sense of consecutive kills. It's time since last kill for AP. A couple minutes between each kill. Tel var is purely a % of what stones the player has on him at time of death
Ah ok thanks for the clarification. I thought it would be worth less and less every time back to back.Sheezabeast wrote: »Don't you get a diminishing amount of TV stones and AP for killing the same person over and over?
They didnt want the stones,they wanted 20k gold to leave the other player alone.
I didn't assume they wanted the stones though They were in a PVP enviroment, yes. The ganker is just as entitled to grind AP as the OP is entitled to grind mobs. Is asking someone not to kill you non-conducive to PVP? Yeah. But the people claiming its role-playing are full of crap and its silly to see people over-reaching to justify being a greedy jerk.
It's because certain ones are just like that greedy jerk.So they need to defend him.
Or he was enjoying the game that he paid for and doing PvP in a PvP zone. Why do you think you have any right to ask a PvP player to stop PvPing? Flip the scenario a PvP who isn't good at PvE wants to grind your special PvE leveling spot. He's running around trying to keep up and get experience, you are out grinding him. He messages you to leave the area so he can grind it without you taking the experience. You just leave? Ok np I want to level my character here but sure I'll leave... complete BS.
I honestly, don't understand the confusion here at all.
1) You know most of the game is PvE only
2) You know you are going into a PvP area
3) You know in a PvP area you can get you know PvP'd and killed
But you still QQ about it. It's like telling the police office who's giving a speeding ticket "Yeah I know the listed speed was 25, but I wanted to go 50 so because I wanted to you shouldn't give me the ticket."
Firstly,I am not asking anyone to do anything.I am simply stating my own point of view,even if it isnt popular with some here.Fine with me,but I wont insult them for it.
Secondly,the OP didnt ask him to leave the grinding area,just to leave him and his pal alone.The OP also didnt tell the ganker that he couldnt grind as well.Just to not kill them over and over.Once or twice might be ok,but not asking for gold.
@Volkodav
jeeeez its impossible
you have most despicable, groveling and dishonorable point of view
asking for gold from ganker side is completely notmal, allowed and reasonable
here is a dosen posts with very well described position why you was wrond and why your point to be in err
but you still cannot see the truth
really
LOLD
You're not helping.
Edited by Judas Helviaryn on April 12, 2016 6:53PM0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »Here's a solution. When you die, hit release. That puts you in a safe zone. Then hit "L" and choose your guest campaign. You can go there for the time and likely won't see the ganker again.
like that - a serious effort to avoid the situation. just going back and stubbornly insist on being left alone is not an effort, but stupid.3 -
Hadan_of_Rift✭✭✭✭like that - a serious effort to avoid the situation. just going back and stubbornly insist on being left alone is not an effort, but stupid.
It's also the definition of insanity.Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
- Albert EinsteinEdited by Hadan_of_Rift on April 12, 2016 6:57PM0 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »
Why? Why should he? Is the PvPer not entitled to be able to enjoy the game he is paying for? So he can't PvP in PvE zone so now he shouldn't be able to PvP in PvP zones?Secondly,the OP didnt ask him to leave the grinding area,just to leave him and his pal alone.The OP also didnt tell the ganker that he couldnt grind as well.Just to not kill them over and over.Once or twice might be ok,but not asking for gold.
If you can't handle being killed in PvP don't go to PvP zones, and if you do certainly don't qq about it. Take responsibility for your actions that 1) you decided to go to a PvP zone and 2) you can't defend yourself.
I said the exact same thing. The OP contacted the PvPer and broke the TOS by harassing and ruining his experience.It could be seen the other way round as well - asking a pvper to stop pvping in a pvp zone is disrupting his experience to pvp in a pvp zone. So this request could be seen as harassment as well - towards the pvp player, who just wants to enjoy pvp in a pvp zone and is blamed for doing so.
Thank you for that insight.
And never worry.I dont go where people dont care about other players.
I find PvP to have become a dishonorable part of gameplay now that they make it a game of forcing someone else to let them do it,.even if that person doesnt want to. When I used to see PvP in other games I played,it wasnt this ugly cutthroat thing.
It was in arenas where others wanted to join in,or just duels,as in WoW. Yes,the ganker should be able to show up and PvP,but many people here seem to think it was just for the,IC,I mean.I wonder what the Devs were thinking,allowing non PvPers into IC?Perhaps they were allowing them to become fodder for you guys.If so,thats sad.
I dont care if you dont like my thoughts.Fine.We each have our own opinions about things. 0 -
Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Judas Helviaryn wrote: »The problem here is that "harassment" is a very broad term. You could interpret the ToS to mean that ANYTHING that ticks off another player is harassment. I just jumped you in the sewers, you're angry, suddenly the fun in your game has been ruined. Is it fair to ask ZOS to punish me in this instance?
This extortion issue using game mechanics for ingame currency is not an issue that should be taken out of the game, it should be dealt with by the players in the game. Get protection, or find another grind spot.
I don't agree with the method, as a player, but I see it as fair game in a cutthroat atmosphere like the Imperial Sewers.
Amazing. I would hope that people wouldnt want to let this grow.Eventually,no one will go where this can be done to them.Not IC,and not Cyrodiil.It will only further the bad name of PvPers who do this for their own fun.So,who will they gank if no one ever wants to go there? As to the TV stones,soon people will stop going for them.So where will they get all those stones then? They'll have to get them for yourselves.
I'm not speaking of you,as a player.Judas.
The problem would lie with a lack of community.
I am in guilds that primarily PvP and guilds that primarily PvE. I personally despise PvE. I have countless V16's on two accounts and not one has any undaunted passives. However, if I need something from PvE, my PvE brethern square me away. If they are getting ganked in the sewers, I immediately come when called... It's a symbiotic relationship. And frankly, I get the better end of the deal, because griefers are typically tools and I can't abide tools.Judas Helviaryn wrote: »The problem here is that "harassment" is a very broad term. You could interpret the ToS to mean that ANYTHING that ticks off another player is harassment. I just jumped you in the sewers, you're angry, suddenly the fun in your game has been ruined. Is it fair to ask ZOS to punish me in this instance?
Of course, ZoS has to be very careful about what they call harassment because they have to enforce their rules evenly or face the wrath of every other gaming company for making new internet forum precedent...
In any case, I don't believe they enforce the harassment rule unless it's stalking-type sexual harassment. I have submitted all of one ticket in this game (one more than other games), to complain about a guy who was used anti-gay hate speech. Fully documented in a beautiful screenshot attached to the complaint. He missed no playtime.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not gonna get into the back and forth so I'll make my comment upon reading the OP and reading the first pages of this thread.
1. You're at fault for paying in-game gold to another player
2. It could be considered harassment of another player is blocking access that you cannot get to intentionally UNLESS it's by game design.
3. You can report any player for anything you feel is questionable but once you engage in the questionable act, you are now involved.
1.......NEVER send another player money. Period. You can COD for in game items but mailing money regardless of the conversation means you "willingly" engaged in this agreement and as such, you are subject to the consequences.
2......Harrassment is one thing but being camped and hunted down over and over in a PvP contested zone is another. Your desires are to grind a contested area that is designed for risk for rewards.
3.....be mindful that your involvement will come up in the resolution of the report and be prepared for any consequences as you're not "Scott Free".
All the other references to EULA and Terms are up to the interpretation of both ZOS and (for anyone on console....the interpretation of said console subject to their own terms and agreements thereof).
My suggestion for future situations....move to another spot because both of you are entitled to play there and you can kill other factions and play with the same factions. Opportunities to share exist outside of whatever gold transaction you agreed to which....if I'm that player....I throw that out there as a go away mag but if u send me money.....how am I doing anything wrong if I kill you later in a PvP zone contested area. War has no friends....Edited by NewBlacksmurf on April 12, 2016 7:19PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Necrelios✭✭✭✭✭I'd try to haggle with them for a few minutes, then tell him to go check their inbox (it will be empty
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »
Why? Why should he? Is the PvPer not entitled to be able to enjoy the game he is paying for? So he can't PvP in PvE zone so now he shouldn't be able to PvP in PvP zones?Secondly,the OP didnt ask him to leave the grinding area,just to leave him and his pal alone.The OP also didnt tell the ganker that he couldnt grind as well.Just to not kill them over and over.Once or twice might be ok,but not asking for gold.
If you can't handle being killed in PvP don't go to PvP zones, and if you do certainly don't qq about it. Take responsibility for your actions that 1) you decided to go to a PvP zone and 2) you can't defend yourself.
I said the exact same thing. The OP contacted the PvPer and broke the TOS by harassing and ruining his experience.It could be seen the other way round as well - asking a pvper to stop pvping in a pvp zone is disrupting his experience to pvp in a pvp zone. So this request could be seen as harassment as well - towards the pvp player, who just wants to enjoy pvp in a pvp zone and is blamed for doing so.
Thank you for that insight.
And never worry.I dont go where people dont care about other players.
I find PvP to have become a dishonorable part of gameplay now that they make it a game of forcing someone else to let them do it,.even if that person doesnt want to. When I used to see PvP in other games I played,it wasnt this ugly cutthroat thing.
It was in arenas where others wanted to join in,or just duels,as in WoW. Yes,the ganker should be able to show up and PvP,but many people here seem to think it was just for the,IC,I mean.I wonder what the Devs were thinking,allowing non PvPers into IC?Perhaps they were allowing them to become fodder for you guys.If so,thats sad.
I dont care if you dont like my thoughts.Fine.We each have our own opinions about things.
I actually think this was the intention behind the IC - a zone to lure PvEers into a PvP zone and create conflict. Neither PvPers nor PvEers are really happy with it - with the expection of solo gankers, it is basically their zone.1 -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »
Why? Why should he? Is the PvPer not entitled to be able to enjoy the game he is paying for? So he can't PvP in PvE zone so now he shouldn't be able to PvP in PvP zones?Secondly,the OP didnt ask him to leave the grinding area,just to leave him and his pal alone.The OP also didnt tell the ganker that he couldnt grind as well.Just to not kill them over and over.Once or twice might be ok,but not asking for gold.
If you can't handle being killed in PvP don't go to PvP zones, and if you do certainly don't qq about it. Take responsibility for your actions that 1) you decided to go to a PvP zone and 2) you can't defend yourself.
I said the exact same thing. The OP contacted the PvPer and broke the TOS by harassing and ruining his experience.It could be seen the other way round as well - asking a pvper to stop pvping in a pvp zone is disrupting his experience to pvp in a pvp zone. So this request could be seen as harassment as well - towards the pvp player, who just wants to enjoy pvp in a pvp zone and is blamed for doing so.
Thank you for that insight.
And never worry.I dont go where people dont care about other players.
I find PvP to have become a dishonorable part of gameplay now that they make it a game of forcing someone else to let them do it,.even if that person doesnt want to. When I used to see PvP in other games I played,it wasnt this ugly cutthroat thing.
It was in arenas where others wanted to join in,or just duels,as in WoW. Yes,the ganker should be able to show up and PvP,but many people here seem to think it was just for the,IC,I mean.I wonder what the Devs were thinking,allowing non PvPers into IC?Perhaps they were allowing them to become fodder for you guys.If so,thats sad.
I dont care if you dont like my thoughts.Fine.We each have our own opinions about things.
I actually think this was the intention behind the IC - a zone to lure PvEers into a PvP zone and create conflict. Neither PvPers nor PvEers are really happy with it - with the expection of solo gankers, it is basically their zone.
Don't you mean Nightblades? 0 -
Conquistador✭✭✭✭✭billybailey1982ub17_ESO wrote: »So I was in IC grinding on mobs when I found this 1 player constantly killing me over and over again. I asked for him to please stop killing me and to let us grind. He proceeded to tell me to send him 20K gold for each member in my group and only then he would leave us alone. Does this sound like a part of the game that should be allowed to happen? Has this ever happened to anyone else?
It sounds to me like you shouldn't have typed up a post about it. PVP is part of the game. Unfortunately, spawn campers and people who enjoy easy kills exist as well. You have to endure and move on.Edited by Conquistador on April 12, 2016 7:20PM0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »
Why? Why should he? Is the PvPer not entitled to be able to enjoy the game he is paying for? So he can't PvP in PvE zone so now he shouldn't be able to PvP in PvP zones?Secondly,the OP didnt ask him to leave the grinding area,just to leave him and his pal alone.The OP also didnt tell the ganker that he couldnt grind as well.Just to not kill them over and over.Once or twice might be ok,but not asking for gold.
If you can't handle being killed in PvP don't go to PvP zones, and if you do certainly don't qq about it. Take responsibility for your actions that 1) you decided to go to a PvP zone and 2) you can't defend yourself.
I said the exact same thing. The OP contacted the PvPer and broke the TOS by harassing and ruining his experience.It could be seen the other way round as well - asking a pvper to stop pvping in a pvp zone is disrupting his experience to pvp in a pvp zone. So this request could be seen as harassment as well - towards the pvp player, who just wants to enjoy pvp in a pvp zone and is blamed for doing so.
Thank you for that insight.
And never worry.I dont go where people dont care about other players.
I find PvP to have become a dishonorable part of gameplay now that they make it a game of forcing someone else to let them do it,.even if that person doesnt want to. When I used to see PvP in other games I played,it wasnt this ugly cutthroat thing.
It was in arenas where others wanted to join in,or just duels,as in WoW. Yes,the ganker should be able to show up and PvP,but many people here seem to think it was just for the,IC,I mean.I wonder what the Devs were thinking,allowing non PvPers into IC?Perhaps they were allowing them to become fodder for you guys.If so,thats sad.
I dont care if you dont like my thoughts.Fine.We each have our own opinions about things.
I actually think this was the intention behind the IC - a zone to lure PvEers into a PvP zone and create conflict. Neither PvPers nor PvEers are really happy with it - with the expection of solo gankers, it is basically their zone.
Don't you mean Nightblades?
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✭✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.2 -
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✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »The problem here is that "harassment" is a very broad term. You could interpret the ToS to mean that ANYTHING that ticks off another player is harassment. I just jumped you in the sewers, you're angry, suddenly the fun in your game has been ruined. Is it fair to ask ZOS to punish me in this instance?
This extortion issue using game mechanics for ingame currency is not an issue that should be taken out of the game, it should be dealt with by the players in the game. Get protection, or find another grind spot.
I don't agree with the method, as a player, but I see it as fair game in a cutthroat atmosphere like the Imperial Sewers.
Amazing. I would hope that people wouldnt want to let this grow.Eventually,no one will go where this can be done to them.Not IC,and not Cyrodiil.It will only further the bad name of PvPers who do this for their own fun.So,who will they gank if no one ever wants to go there? As to the TV stones,soon people will stop going for them.So where will they get all those stones then? They'll have to get them for yourselves.
I'm not speaking of you,as a player.Judas.
The problem would lie with a lack of community.
I understand that thought.
A lot of players arent very close to any other players,so asking for help from pals might not work well.
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jkemmery✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.0 -
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✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
What about those people who use those skills,but never go to IC? Nerf them as well? Punish them for others bad behavior? That wouldnt be right.We NBs already had the cloaking abilities taken down a notch. Dont take them down a even more.
Yes,if one cant beat the NB,..join em. Simple and a lot of fun.Edited by Volkodav on April 12, 2016 7:44PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
I have 6 NBs myself - because I like stealth gameplay. The whole point of this class is being unseen until you strike and then disappear again - it is a hit and run tactic and it is done from stealth. It can go wrong, of course, and then I am basically f*cked, but so what. this is the type of gameplay I like. I do not have bad intentions with it and to kill enemies in a war zone is not a bad thing but my duty when taking part in a campaign - it is intended gameplay. But I personally would not do it to the same person over and over again. Where is the challenge in this?1 -
jkemmery✭✭✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
What about those people who use those skills,but never go to IC? Nerf them as well? Punish them for others bad behavior? That wouldnt be right.We NBs already had the cloaking abilities taken down a notch. Dont take them down a even more.
Yes,if one cant beat the NB,..join em. Simple and a lot of fun.
Yes, but it makes for a boring game when one class is so clearly superior to all others. PVP is no longer fun for anyone but NB's and it sucks. Sorcs can do OK. Skilled players who are DKs and Temps can do OK, but anyone with 300 CP and a NB can gank all day long. It's just ridiculous. It's freaking easy to play a NB because you don't really need skill, the cards are stacked in your favor by the DEVS. Face the truth.
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✭✭I will add something which might not be obvious - but gankers are not per se bad persons, who want to grief others, some are, but I think most are not. I know a lot of these type of guys in EVE online. They can even be helpful after they made the kill, if you ask them, what you've done wrong and what you could do better. It is just their preferred gameplay. To just blame all of them for being griefers is IMO just plain wrong. I like assassinations as well, so I hope for the dark brotherhood gameplay. But there might be a time, when I will do that myself in the IC - this is not because I would want to grief others, but because I want the challenge of targeting a real person and when it goes wrong, well I might ask them, what I could have done better.
I think that a lot of the ganking that goes on could easily be mitigated by ZOS by nerfing the invisibility/ cloaking abilities and buffing the detection abilities. However, my personal opinion is that the devs intentionally created this style of gameplay for themselves. Note that Rich Lambert (@ZOS_RichLambert) admitted in the 2 year retrospective he wrote in the news section that his main is a nightblade. I think that says it all ... nightblades will continue to be the most potent class to play, and the sneak/hide/gank playstyle will continue to be the style most supported by the ESO staff. I've just decided my DK main will now be my crafter and I'm going to level up my NB alts and pick one for my main. If you can't beat them, join them.
I have 6 NBs myself - because I like stealth gameplay. The whole point of this class is being unseen until you strike and then disappear again - it is a hit and run tactic and it is done from stealth. It can go wrong, of course, and then I am basically f*cked, but so what. this is the type of gameplay I like. I do not have bad intentions with it and to kill enemies in a war zone is not a bad thing but my duty when taking part in a campaign - it is intended gameplay. But I personally would not do it to the same person over and over again. Where is the challenge in this?
Well said.0
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