Auction house please.
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Grabmoore✭✭✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »not having an auction house is stupid.
Anyone played an MMO before?
I've played WoW, FFXI, FFXIV, Diablo3 and Neverwinter. All very good games with auction houses that worked.
Pardon. Neverwinter isn't a good game for two years anymore.
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I don't want a global AH, I want a meta-search function that would search all the guild traders.I play 3 to 4 hours a night and I still don't find the current system a problem at all. But then again I don't play the game as a shopping simulator or stock market.
Let's say you're looking for a specific set piece, with specific trait and specific level.I play 3 to 4 hours a night and I still don't find the current system a problem at all. But then again I don't play the game as a shopping simulator or stock market. Usually when I spend 30 minutes is because I WANT to try and find the lowest price. It becomes a challenge. Most of the time I find what I want in 5 to 10 min if that.
Unless it's listed on the Tamriel trade center (third-party website) and it's still available, it can take you more than 1 hour to find that piece.
With a meta-search function, it would take a few minutes.
This time you saved, you can use it to actually play the game instead of "shopping".
If you're looking for something that specific that is a rare combination as it is, you have to expect it to be less available overall. A global AH won't solve that problem.
I understand why you would want the that but IMO it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.Edited by Katahdin on April 12, 2016 6:38PMBeta tester November 20133 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »If the PC users don't want it fine. Give it to consoles. PCs have add ons that help with the terrible system.
I would be okay with this, as long as the consolers promise not to cry when their economy is in shambles, all their bids are sniped while they are at work, and AHProGuy22 owns all high end mats and prices them at 100k a pop.
exactly. because it would make it easy for one person to just buy up all of one thing in the game if they only had to go to one place and not all over and then extort the entire population.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »If the PC users don't want it fine. Give it to consoles. PCs have add ons that help with the terrible system.
I would be okay with this, as long as the consolers promise not to cry when their economy is in shambles, all their bids are sniped while they are at work, and AHProGuy22 owns all high end mats and prices them at 100k a pop.
exactly. because it would make it easy for one person to just buy up all of one thing in the game if they only had to go to one place and not all over and then extort the entire population.
Yep this happened all the time in GW2. Market manipulation and monopolization.Beta tester November 20132 -
Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »If the PC users don't want it fine. Give it to consoles. PCs have add ons that help with the terrible system.
I would be okay with this, as long as the consolers promise not to cry when their economy is in shambles, all their bids are sniped while they are at work, and AHProGuy22 owns all high end mats and prices them at 100k a pop.
Tell me why that would happen when it doesn't happen in any other MMO ? Is everything in WoW 10000000 gold ? Is everything in GW2 10000000 gold ? What's your point exactly ?3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I love spending 2hrs just to NOT find a set piece I'm looking for on console.
It will not happen. While threads like this have popped up during the past couple years it's only been a small vocal group in favor of this.
Some dude started a poll today with the title of removing the guild traders and 2:1 in favor of keeping the guild traders was the result.1 -
Delegator✭✭✭I don't think anybody has found the best model for an in-game economy, and I've been playing since the most important one was the tunnel in East Commons in Everquest.
Auction houses stink because you have people who spend all their time there trolling for good deals and flipping items and sniping bids, spamming individual items instead of selling stacks so that they push others off the first 2 pages of listings...basically like eBay, only more so.
The guild stores stink because you have only a limited set of stores you can see from your banker, and otherwise have to port all over the world and put up with loading screens and travel to get to even the minimal decent hubs of Rawl'ka, Mournhold, Stormhaven, Belkarth and Coldharbour. And when you do, you can be assured that the second you buy an item you will find it for 20% less somewhere else.
All in all I just maintain a set of 3 trading guilds with reasonable selections, and then when I'm shopping for something I really want I make the rounds of those hubs above. And if it's not that important I just use MM to get reasonable deals and don't stress about optimizing. But others have a different tolerance for all of this.
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GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »If the PC users don't want it fine. Give it to consoles. PCs have add ons that help with the terrible system.
I would be okay with this, as long as the consolers promise not to cry when their economy is in shambles, all their bids are sniped while they are at work, and AHProGuy22 owns all high end mats and prices them at 100k a pop.
exactly. because it would make it easy for one person to just buy up all of one thing in the game if they only had to go to one place and not all over and then extort the entire population.
Yep this happened all the time in GW2. Market manipulation and monopolization.
and it will probably be the gold sellers doing it mostly. not that they aren't already doing it anyway but at least it makes it more difficult the way it is currently set up. i try my best to manipulate the market in the zones i am selling my things in so they will sell better, because i am trying to make gold to buy bank space.Edited by GarnetFire17 on April 12, 2016 6:45PM0 -
Calippe_Hac✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »If the PC users don't want it fine. Give it to consoles. PCs have add ons that help with the terrible system.
I would be okay with this, as long as the consolers promise not to cry when their economy is in shambles, all their bids are sniped while they are at work, and AHProGuy22 owns all high end mats and prices them at 100k a pop.
exactly. because it would make it easy for one person to just buy up all of one thing in the game if they only had to go to one place and not all over and then extort the entire population.
Exactly. Second this.
This is not a perfect system but it makes market manipulation extremely difficult.
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Paneross✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »I love spending 2hrs just to NOT find a set piece I'm looking for on console.
It will not happen. While threads like this have popped up during the past couple years it's only been a small vocal group in favor of this.
Some dude started a poll today with the title of removing the guild traders and 2:1 in favor of keeping the guild traders was the result.
Those numbers aren't accurate. I'm 100% sure that not every person who plays voted in that poll. I'm even a 100% sure that's there's more ppl who play that DON'T participate in the forums at all.2 -
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I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.
The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.
The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".Zeerok (the sneaky ruffian) - LV50 Bosmer stamblade DPS (AD)
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GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭yeah, at some point, buying low and selling high and buying out your competition ceases to become trading, and starts to become exploitation and hurts the enjoyability of the game for everyone.1
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✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »If the PC users don't want it fine. Give it to consoles. PCs have add ons that help with the terrible system.
I would be okay with this, as long as the consolers promise not to cry when their economy is in shambles, all their bids are sniped while they are at work, and AHProGuy22 owns all high end mats and prices them at 100k a pop.
Tell me why that would happen when it doesn't happen in any other MMO ? Is everything in WoW 10000000 gold ? Is everything in GW2 10000000 gold ? What's your point exactly ?
Uh...it did happen in those titles and every other mmo. What was your point?2 -
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✭✭That's because you settle for it. Speak up and numbers make differences.
Nope.They dont work in t his situation.Because ZOS will do whatever they want,not what the forum members want.
If someone doesnt like it they will leave to attempt to find another game.Fine.They'll be replaced soon enough.0 -
Zyle✭✭✭✭✭GAH would basically just end up griefing the entire economy the second player X realizes they can monopolize an item. Furthermore ZOS has already stated multiple times they have no intention to change the guild trader system, I think I remember one of the reasons being it would be too much strain on the server.
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✭✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »With an auction house, it would take you 15 seconds and the item would be cheaper ? Where exactly is the downside except less profit for the sellers (when in fact it's going to be more stable profit as stuff will sell faster and more reliably)
I actually have a hard time keeping 30 items in a guild store. Often times, I am selling stuff I just posted before I can even leave the bank. The only thing I am able to keep in stock are green recipes, which don't sell very well but I post them in case one of my guild mates is trying to collect them all.
We don't need to replace the guild trader system. We need to make it work. What the guild trade system really needs is an overhaul of the UI. It is easy to use on the PC/Mac due to add ons. On the console, it is not. Even when moving from store to store, a decent UI can cut search times to a fraction.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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✭I spent hours upon hours searching for Summerset Rainbow Pie recipe, it took me freaking months to find a place that sold it.
People sell that recipe on a daily base, and I would have wasted much less time with an auction house than running around guildtraders, spamming zonechats and guildchats with "WTB SUMMERSET RAINBOW PIE RECIPE WILLING TO PAY 60K ".
I want to buy v15 raw materials, 90% of the guilds I search have items that have not sold for 20+ days and with outdated prices, so I have to search every damn corner of Tamriel to find my v16 raw materials.
I play on PC/ EU and I see guildtraders mettle and fiddle with Master Merchant addon prices on a daily base, to make their guildmembers think that items are worth much less than they actually are, so they set them up for cheaper prices - this way the costumers will buy more from their guilds, so sales go up and the guild profits. They exploit the market like that and cheat every guildmember they have.
You can not sell in bundles, which hurts crafters that wish to craft set items. What are they going to do? sell them all individually? that rarely sells, because buyers often want a full set and not just 1-2 pieces because the others have been bought by some other guy.
I currently log in 2-3 nights a week to play, due to IRL circumstances I can not logon more than that. I still manage to earn between 50k-300k a day, despite being so much offline. The current system is not lacking in sales and demand for items, however it is timeconsuming as f*ck and annoying. The UI is horrible, the search function is primitive and lacks whole cathegories of items.
Oh and players access to guildstores is limited by their levels, how much they have quested and which DLC's they have purchased. How fair is that toward new players?
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✭✭✭✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »GarnetFire17 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »If the PC users don't want it fine. Give it to consoles. PCs have add ons that help with the terrible system.
I would be okay with this, as long as the consolers promise not to cry when their economy is in shambles, all their bids are sniped while they are at work, and AHProGuy22 owns all high end mats and prices them at 100k a pop.
exactly. because it would make it easy for one person to just buy up all of one thing in the game if they only had to go to one place and not all over and then extort the entire population.
Yep this happened all the time in GW2. Market manipulation and monopolization.
and it will probably be the gold sellers doing it mostly. not that they aren't already doing it anyway but at least it makes it more difficult the way it is currently set up. i try my best to manipulate the market in the zones i am selling my things in so they will sell better, because i am trying to make gold to buy bank space.
No it is the people that play the game as a stock market.Beta tester November 20131 -
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I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.
The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.
The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".
Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.
A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.Edited by Katahdin on April 12, 2016 7:10PMBeta tester November 20130 -
GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »GarnetFire17 wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »If the PC users don't want it fine. Give it to consoles. PCs have add ons that help with the terrible system.
I would be okay with this, as long as the consolers promise not to cry when their economy is in shambles, all their bids are sniped while they are at work, and AHProGuy22 owns all high end mats and prices them at 100k a pop.
exactly. because it would make it easy for one person to just buy up all of one thing in the game if they only had to go to one place and not all over and then extort the entire population.
Yep this happened all the time in GW2. Market manipulation and monopolization.
and it will probably be the gold sellers doing it mostly. not that they aren't already doing it anyway but at least it makes it more difficult the way it is currently set up. i try my best to manipulate the market in the zones i am selling my things in so they will sell better, because i am trying to make gold to buy bank space.
No it is the people that play the game as a stock market.
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I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.
The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.
The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".
Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.
A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.
Your experience, not the majority experience.3 -
Villious✭✭✭Personally, I'd prefer a global auction house, but I realize they are not gonna change the entire game mechanic as they have it now. It's frustrating to try and find items, but I can live with it, since its what we have.1
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GarnetFire17✭✭✭✭They wanted to put a more corporate aspect into the game. Not everyone cares or appreciates it but myself and a lot of other players do.0
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I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.
The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.
The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".
Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.
A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.
Your experience, not the majority experience.
You guys are also assuming the games are the same and they are not. Just because it works over there doesn't mean it will work over here. Consider end game gear and progression between these games. The best gear in WoW comes from PvE content and is Bind Pickup. You don't have BiS gear swimming all over the auction house there. ESO has a very different economy and quite frankly there isn't a whole hell of a lot of stuff to sell that is actually in demand. I can speak from experience because I can produce 800k in sales right now weekly whereas I could get twice that in previous weeks (new content is always the best).
There's just not enough product to support a global auction house. And believe it or not, there is a "fun" factor behind the current system, which by the way acts as a thickening agent right now in the economy.
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I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.
The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.
The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".
Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.
A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.
When you guys get text like PC it'll help things a bit.2
