ZOS For the love of god remove infused from vendors

sagitter · March 2016

Divine and impe are the best traits, i say just 1 of them at merchant or no point anymore on doing dungeons , undaunted aside.

SmalltalkJava · March 2016

I am stuck at work. What monster sets are in sale tonight?

Personofsecrets · March 2016

I would like infused engine guardian

Slurg · March 2016

I'd much rather just buy the shoulders with infused than spend hours and days doing nothing but farming pledges for a small chance at getting them at all, let alone with divines. It's a fair deal for me - I don't want to put in that kind of time.

I'm not trying to be on leader boards though, and someone who is would probably feel differently about it.

Lexxypwns · March 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

No one uses infused, this is a minmaxing game, infused is not as good as it used to be.

These vendors are a very good idea, but can you please, just remove infused from them, have them come in divines/impen, up the prices a bit it's a very good AP sink as players have a lot of AP.

This type of thing, is just adding onto the irritation of players in this game, it's no secret that this game is built around minmaxing and meta gameplay, so please can you keep up to date with the traits, this isn't 1.5, the buff to mundus stones made divines the most useful trait if you're using thief of shadow as they are percentage increases (Mostly pvers are doing this, hardly see it in pvp) and anything else use impenetrable as you're gaining way more than losing. (Mostly pvpers are doing this as impen doesn't work in pve)

As a pvp sorc, I don't necessarily mind infused. However, there should be more than just infused available

DRXHarbinger · March 2016

Everyone post pics of thier devines and imp Kena shoulder to rub it in and make everyone salty. Let's see some stains.

hrothbern · March 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Maybe they should make the AP version Impenetrable, and then the version that costs gold would be Divines?

Good suggestion

Perhaps we see that happen as a second round at the Vendor

After a first 20 week round with alternating Infused Helms and Shoulders for the 10 Monster sets.

code65536 · March 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

No one uses infused, this is a minmaxing game

I have two rhetorical questions:

1) Is there any content that you will not be able to complete because you have an infused piece instead of a divines piece?

2) If you swapped one divines piece for an infused piece, would you even see the difference in a parse?

Yes, divines is better in PvE. But the difference when considering just a piece or two is so small that I doubt anyone would even notice it through the background noise of combat RNG. And it most certainly does not make any tangible difference in the actual outcome of the content that you do.

Do I want all divines? Yes, of course. But that's just my OCD. It's not the end of the world if I'm running around in 6 divines 1 infused.

Anyway, I never liked the idea of this vendor. I hate it. What I really want is a token system to get around the nastiness of their RNG, not some vendor where people can spend gold to get stuff without ever doing the content. As such, I am happy that they don't offer the best trait in the vendor. Push for a token system. Not buffing this abomination.

TheHsN · March 2016

yeah..ZOS pls brings impen and divines....not some stupid traits......

Mojmir · March 2016

if youve been following the thieves trove thread, be careful what u wish for from ZOS.
free respec-gone due to crying
thieve troves spawning too much-nerfed and hardly found
lag lag lag from zerg zerg zerg-introducing proxy det/viscious death velveeta cheese
personally and for once am happy about the vendor, ive run VCOA for a ludicrous amount of times and i got one helm.
im sorry you dont get exactly what you want,but lets step back and see this for what it is. at least they listened part of the way?

The Uninvited · March 2016

sagitter wrote: »

Divine and impe are the best traits, i say just 1 of them at merchant or no point anymore on doing dungeons , undaunted aside.

And this is exactly the reason why they gave us infused. Want a V16 head or shoulders that you can use right away = buy them with Infused trait. Want the best trait for your build = farm dungeons.

Makes sense in a way, imho they did this so people would still have a reason need to run dungeons / pledges.

OrphanHelgen · March 2016

Stop complaining, I know its crap on shoulders, but atleast you have a chance to get them instead of goldkey or dungeon insane farming. Pls stop complain, its a step forward to have this option.

The Uninvited · March 2016

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Stop complaining, I know its crap on shoulders, but atleast you have a chance to get them instead of goldkey or dungeon insane farming. Pls stop complain, its a step forward to have this option.

This.

Bossdonut · March 2016

Difference between infused and divines right now is literally an extra 2 seconds on a boss fight that you can already do drunk with your monitor off. I know this and I play console.

So shut the *** up with your god damned whining.

Mojmir · March 2016

Bossdonut wrote: »

Difference between infused and divines right now is literally an extra 2 seconds on a boss fight that you can already do drunk with your monitor off. I know this and I play console.

So shut the *** up with your god damned whining.

i literally see no difference with the nierenth sets i have, one is both pcs divines, the other is one infused one divines from last weeks vendor.

Nifty2g · March 2016

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Everyone post pics of thier devines and imp Kena shoulder to rub it in and make everyone salty. Let's see some stains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5FBK1Gd8BQ

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

The Uninvited wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

Divine and impe are the best traits, i say just 1 of them at merchant or no point anymore on doing dungeons , undaunted aside.

And this is exactly the reason why they gave us infused. Want a V16 head or shoulders that you can use right away = buy them with Infused trait. Want the best trait for your build = farm dungeons.

Makes sense in a way, imho they did this so people would still have a reason need to run dungeons / pledges.

This. Infused shoulder is still a decent placeholder until you get the divine one.
And 99k per item is really low anyway.

James-Wayne · March 2016

Divines is only marginally better then Infused, most players are not going to be concerned with this.

redspecter23 · March 2016

Here's an idea. Instead of being handed what is mathematically best, how about they go back and make the other 7 traits competitive so we actually have options?

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

redspecter23 wrote: »

Here's an idea. Instead of being handed what is mathematically best, how about they go back and make the other 7 traits competitive so we actually have options?

I agree that all traits should have some use, but there will still be one "mathematically best" to rule them all.

snejremllov · March 2016

The trader only offering a single trait blows my mind. This is so like ZOS, why did we even expect anything....

Infused is ok-ish on big pieces mainly because not every pvp build runs 7 impen. On my sorc I have infused on big and impen on small.

On shoulders however it's pretty *** that they even considered to put infused on it. Infused has never been worth on small pieces for as long as I can think due to the enchants being so small that the 20% increase from infused only gives you a minor increase.

llllADBllll · March 2016

So after crying for ages that PVP can't get monster helms now you're demanding traits. Spoilt little brats should just be well fitted since its the set bonus that you're missing and should be a punishment for being too scared or unskilled to do the delves in PvE. You won't be happy til all helms and shoulders are all available in all traits. L2P PvE if you're that.bothered.

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

snejremllov wrote: »

The trader only offering a single trait blows my mind. This is so like ZOS, why did we even expect anything....

Infused is ok-ish on big pieces mainly because not every pvp build runs 7 impen. On my sorc I have infused on big and impen on small.

On shoulders however it's pretty *** that they even considered to put infused on it. Infused has never been worth on small pieces for as long as I can think due to the enchants being so small that the 20% increase from infused only gives you a minor increase.

Its a marginal difference, and since you dont have to do any dungeon runs to get it, its fair. You either farm a perfect piece of buy an okayish one.
Either that or put divine/impen for sale for 500-750k or more. 99k for a perfect item would be laughable.

DDemon · March 2016

I've been running pledges since IC on 4 chars, I have only gotten 6 shoulder pieces since. ALL of them INFUSED. When I heard that kena was in the store this weekend I was hoping for something else, but this is just a slap in the face.

IF you really have to use a random trait, then at least remove the traits that no one would ever want on a small armor piece.

Liukke · March 2016

Please whine all togheter in the same post:
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/254194/vendor-shoulders/p1

And as I said into that one already, remember the word ENDGAME for *someone*'s sake.

Do you really want to BUY endgame gear?
Is this game really full of casuals? Why even play anymore

so sad

Nifty2g · March 2016

James-Wayne wrote: »

Divines is only marginally better then Infused, most players are not going to be concerned with this.

Marginally?

Legendary Divines = 7.5% increase of Mundus stone

Legendary Infused Large Pieces = 1041
Legendary Small Large Pieces = 421
Legendary Non Infused Large Pieces = 868
Legendary Non infused Small Pieces = 351
Total Infused = 4755
Toal Non Infused = 4008
Gain = 747

So you gain a total of 747 Magic or Stamina by using 7/7 infused over 7/7 Divines, or you can gain a 7.5% increase to your mundus stone.

How is this a marginal difference, to me it's a huge difference.

Can you people stop saying its a marginal difference, it's clearly not when you look into it a bit. Infused is almost useless at this point compared to Divines and Impenetrable

Flaminir · March 2016

I've spoken to a lot of people on this now and the reactions vary based on 1 very simple factor.... Do they currently have a set of the helm/shoulders they want even if its a useless trait?

If they have something, but not in divines then people are having a fairly salty reaction to not being able to get divines.

If they do not have that helm/shoulder piece at all then its just total joy that they can go and get their Kena shoulders this weekend whatever trait it is.

Again... RNG causing pain! But two polar opposite reactions to the vendor only having infused & both reactions are reasonable.

Its a shame that the system doesn't make everybody happy.... Still think a token system would have been the way to go.... even if they tiered it so well fitted gear cost fewer tokens, and divines the most

Reevster · March 2016

I bought one of each this week, light heavy, med.... Never know when i want to change up my gear, plus I have 3 VR16 toons almost 4.

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

James-Wayne wrote: »

Divines is only marginally better then Infused, most players are not going to be concerned with this.

Marginally?

Legendary Divines = 7.5% increase of Mundus stone

Legendary Infused Large Pieces = 1041
Legendary Small Large Pieces = 421
Legendary Non Infused Large Pieces = 868
Legendary Non infused Small Pieces = 351
Total Infused = 4755
Toal Non Infused = 4008
Gain = 747

So you gain a total of 747 Magic or Stamina by using 7/7 infused over 7/7 Divines, or you can gain a 7.5% increase to your mundus stone.

How is this a marginal difference, to me it's a huge difference.

Can you people stop saying its a marginal difference, it's clearly not when you look into it a bit. Infused is almost useless at this point compared to Divines and Impenetrable

Calm down, if its only on one piece, its not that big of a deal.
Its not like one item with bad trait magically converts all traits on your armor.

Joy_Division · March 2016

We aren't spoiled brats.

Most of us dislike the current system that is predominated with crap traits where there is one obvious best-in-slot trait for PvP and another for PvE. When there is one trait to rule them all, this becomes a problem.