ZOS For the love of god remove infused from vendors

Nifty2g · March 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

James-Wayne wrote: »

Divines is only marginally better then Infused, most players are not going to be concerned with this.

Marginally?

Legendary Divines = 7.5% increase of Mundus stone

Legendary Infused Large Pieces = 1041
Legendary Small Large Pieces = 421
Legendary Non Infused Large Pieces = 868
Legendary Non infused Small Pieces = 351
Total Infused = 4755
Toal Non Infused = 4008
Gain = 747

So you gain a total of 747 Magic or Stamina by using 7/7 infused over 7/7 Divines, or you can gain a 7.5% increase to your mundus stone.

How is this a marginal difference, to me it's a huge difference.

Can you people stop saying its a marginal difference, it's clearly not when you look into it a bit. Infused is almost useless at this point compared to Divines and Impenetrable

Calm down, if its only on one piece, its not that big of a deal.

If it's useless on 7/7 it's going to be even more useless on 1/7 lol
I'm calm but when you look into it, you're going to realise it's a useless trait and soon find out why people want it to be divines or impen

I've mostly got every trait perfect in every set by now. This thread is mainly because it seems a bit pointless to introduce something seemingly very good, but then adding trash traits to it, it's more so saying *** you to the players, here is something that is so good but so far away.

Like honestly? If you're going to add it, add the right traits to it. Make the prices more expensive too, 200k AP is not much at all, neither is 99k gold

Prabooo · March 2016

I agree, all the PvP community want is WELL FITTED, please ZOS

TRAINING also is OP

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

James-Wayne wrote: »

Divines is only marginally better then Infused, most players are not going to be concerned with this.

Marginally?

Legendary Divines = 7.5% increase of Mundus stone

Legendary Infused Large Pieces = 1041
Legendary Small Large Pieces = 421
Legendary Non Infused Large Pieces = 868
Legendary Non infused Small Pieces = 351
Total Infused = 4755
Toal Non Infused = 4008
Gain = 747

So you gain a total of 747 Magic or Stamina by using 7/7 infused over 7/7 Divines, or you can gain a 7.5% increase to your mundus stone.

How is this a marginal difference, to me it's a huge difference.

Can you people stop saying its a marginal difference, it's clearly not when you look into it a bit. Infused is almost useless at this point compared to Divines and Impenetrable

Calm down, if its only on one piece, its not that big of a deal.

If it's useless on 7/7 it's going to be even more useless on 1/7 lol
I'm calm but when you look into it, you're going to realise it's a useless trait and soon find out why people want it to be divines or impen

So what? People were wearing well-fitted kenas as placeholders for set bonus while farming good ones. There's worse traits than infused.
And imo selling the best gear for 99k is very, very wrong.

snejremllov · March 2016

CraftMaster wrote: »

So after crying for ages that PVP can't get monster helms now you're demanding traits. Spoilt little brats should just be well fitted since its the set bonus that you're missing and should be a punishment for being too scared or unskilled to do the delves in PvE. You won't be happy til all helms and shoulders are all available in all traits. L2P PvE if you're that.bothered.

Let me just quickly tell you how stupid your post is:

"Too scared or unskilled" for what? *** dungeons which can be cleared in ~10 minutes and don't require a real healer or tank? I played hundreds of gold pledges since they released them in late 2014 and still lack basic things like proper kena and nerieneth shoulders. The only reason to even put up with this horrendous grind is to be geared for the real endgame which is trials. The fact that these gold pledges can be done in a short amount of time doesn't make them more enjoyable.

What the new vendor was supposed to do is to reduce the amount of grinding needed for everybody not just for pvp players. The fact that it offers traits undesirable for BOTH is just stupid.

"L2P PvE" Don't make me laugh. The only challenging PVE content in this game is Maw of Lorkhaj. If you think playing daily dungeons makes you a skilled PVE player I've got bad news for you. Again the only purpose of dailies is to be able to play this extremely challenging content with maxed out gear.

I play both hardcore PVE and PVP so the idea of getting a vendor that offers you some of the pieces you're still missing after 1.5 years of braindead dungeon runs sounds quite appealing.

Please try again....

Nifty2g · March 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

James-Wayne wrote: »

Divines is only marginally better then Infused, most players are not going to be concerned with this.

Marginally?

Legendary Divines = 7.5% increase of Mundus stone

Legendary Infused Large Pieces = 1041
Legendary Small Large Pieces = 421
Legendary Non Infused Large Pieces = 868
Legendary Non infused Small Pieces = 351
Total Infused = 4755
Toal Non Infused = 4008
Gain = 747

So you gain a total of 747 Magic or Stamina by using 7/7 infused over 7/7 Divines, or you can gain a 7.5% increase to your mundus stone.

How is this a marginal difference, to me it's a huge difference.

Can you people stop saying its a marginal difference, it's clearly not when you look into it a bit. Infused is almost useless at this point compared to Divines and Impenetrable

Calm down, if its only on one piece, its not that big of a deal.

If it's useless on 7/7 it's going to be even more useless on 1/7 lol
I'm calm but when you look into it, you're going to realise it's a useless trait and soon find out why people want it to be divines or impen

So what? People were wearing well-fitted kenas as placeholders for set bonus while farming good ones. There's worse traits than infused.
And imo selling the best gear for 99k is very, very wrong.

As place holders, you realise this is meant for PvPers, they're never going to really want to go out and farm the sets so a terrible item is not just a place holder to them. Not to mention most PvPers can't even get a clean run of these dungeons for the sets.

In terms of traits being able to drop on these undaunted sets, I'm placing infused in the bottom 3 honestly

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

James-Wayne wrote: »

Divines is only marginally better then Infused, most players are not going to be concerned with this.

Marginally?

Legendary Divines = 7.5% increase of Mundus stone

Legendary Infused Large Pieces = 1041
Legendary Small Large Pieces = 421
Legendary Non Infused Large Pieces = 868
Legendary Non infused Small Pieces = 351
Total Infused = 4755
Toal Non Infused = 4008
Gain = 747

So you gain a total of 747 Magic or Stamina by using 7/7 infused over 7/7 Divines, or you can gain a 7.5% increase to your mundus stone.

How is this a marginal difference, to me it's a huge difference.

Can you people stop saying its a marginal difference, it's clearly not when you look into it a bit. Infused is almost useless at this point compared to Divines and Impenetrable

Calm down, if its only on one piece, its not that big of a deal.

If it's useless on 7/7 it's going to be even more useless on 1/7 lol
I'm calm but when you look into it, you're going to realise it's a useless trait and soon find out why people want it to be divines or impen

So what? People were wearing well-fitted kenas as placeholders for set bonus while farming good ones. There's worse traits than infused.
And imo selling the best gear for 99k is very, very wrong.

As place holders, you realise this is meant for PvPers, they're never going to really want to go out and farm the sets so a terrible item is not just a place holder to them. Not to mention most PvPers can't even get a clean run of these dungeons for the sets.

In terms of traits being able to drop on these undaunted sets, I'm placing infused in the bottom 3 honestly

For pvprs, perfect items might be sold for a decent price, not almost for free, as I said before.
Like 500+k ap - more or less equal to farming them in pve.

Nifty2g · March 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

James-Wayne wrote: »

Divines is only marginally better then Infused, most players are not going to be concerned with this.

Marginally?

Legendary Divines = 7.5% increase of Mundus stone

Legendary Infused Large Pieces = 1041
Legendary Small Large Pieces = 421
Legendary Non Infused Large Pieces = 868
Legendary Non infused Small Pieces = 351
Total Infused = 4755
Toal Non Infused = 4008
Gain = 747

So you gain a total of 747 Magic or Stamina by using 7/7 infused over 7/7 Divines, or you can gain a 7.5% increase to your mundus stone.

How is this a marginal difference, to me it's a huge difference.

Can you people stop saying its a marginal difference, it's clearly not when you look into it a bit. Infused is almost useless at this point compared to Divines and Impenetrable

Calm down, if its only on one piece, its not that big of a deal.

If it's useless on 7/7 it's going to be even more useless on 1/7 lol
I'm calm but when you look into it, you're going to realise it's a useless trait and soon find out why people want it to be divines or impen

So what? People were wearing well-fitted kenas as placeholders for set bonus while farming good ones. There's worse traits than infused.
And imo selling the best gear for 99k is very, very wrong.

As place holders, you realise this is meant for PvPers, they're never going to really want to go out and farm the sets so a terrible item is not just a place holder to them. Not to mention most PvPers can't even get a clean run of these dungeons for the sets.

In terms of traits being able to drop on these undaunted sets, I'm placing infused in the bottom 3 honestly

For pvprs, perfect items might be sold for a decent price, not almost for free, as I said before.
Like 500+k ap - more or less equal to farming them in pve.

I think everyone has been saying make the traits better and up the prices. I even said that in my OP if you read it.

I barely PvP and on all my characters I have well over 4million AP. The changes to AP is quite easily obtainable, I'd say 1.5million AP for a divines/impen piece. ZOS said players have too much AP to want to make sets and such behind AP, this is a good AP sink for them to introduce

Woeler · March 2016

I'm a tank and I like infused. Would buy Lord Warden infused heavy helm ASAP. *** me I guess?

Nifty2g · March 2016

Woeler wrote: »

I'm a tank and I like infused. *** me I guess.

Honestly I take back what I said about tanks and healers using infused. A 747 increase if you're using 7/7 infused to magicka/stamina is almost useless. And at that point probably better to use like reinforced or even divines for whatever mundus stone you're using. But if you're tanking I maybe assume you're using tristat gylphs, so idk the difference on those.

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

James-Wayne wrote: »

Divines is only marginally better then Infused, most players are not going to be concerned with this.

Marginally?

Legendary Divines = 7.5% increase of Mundus stone

Legendary Infused Large Pieces = 1041
Legendary Small Large Pieces = 421
Legendary Non Infused Large Pieces = 868
Legendary Non infused Small Pieces = 351
Total Infused = 4755
Toal Non Infused = 4008
Gain = 747

So you gain a total of 747 Magic or Stamina by using 7/7 infused over 7/7 Divines, or you can gain a 7.5% increase to your mundus stone.

How is this a marginal difference, to me it's a huge difference.

Can you people stop saying its a marginal difference, it's clearly not when you look into it a bit. Infused is almost useless at this point compared to Divines and Impenetrable

Calm down, if its only on one piece, its not that big of a deal.

If it's useless on 7/7 it's going to be even more useless on 1/7 lol
I'm calm but when you look into it, you're going to realise it's a useless trait and soon find out why people want it to be divines or impen

So what? People were wearing well-fitted kenas as placeholders for set bonus while farming good ones. There's worse traits than infused.
And imo selling the best gear for 99k is very, very wrong.

As place holders, you realise this is meant for PvPers, they're never going to really want to go out and farm the sets so a terrible item is not just a place holder to them. Not to mention most PvPers can't even get a clean run of these dungeons for the sets.

In terms of traits being able to drop on these undaunted sets, I'm placing infused in the bottom 3 honestly

For pvprs, perfect items might be sold for a decent price, not almost for free, as I said before.
Like 500+k ap - more or less equal to farming them in pve.

I think everyone has been saying make the traits better and up the prices. I even said that in my OP if you read it.

I barely PvP and on all my characters I have well over 4million AP. The changes to AP is quite easily obtainable, I'd say 1.5million AP for a divines/impen piece. ZOS said players have too much AP to want to make sets and such behind AP, this is a good AP sink for them to introduce

First of all, you suddenly started picking my words without reading previous messages.

Infused piece is basically a loss of ~1% crit in pve or a little bit of crit resist in pvp. I never said infused is a good trait, but losing 1 trait is not the end of the world when you get that piece for a very low price without even playing corresponding dungeon. It is marginal considering that a lot of players dont have minmaxed chars anyway. And stuff like upgrades, enchants and race bonuses is a much bigger deal than that 1 trait...
Also I said that BiS traits might be sold for higher price.
So why did you jump on me?

Woeler · March 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

I'm a tank and I like infused. *** me I guess.

Honestly I take back what I said about tanks and healers using infused. A 747 increase if you're using 7/7 infused to magicka/stamina is almost useless. And at that point probably better to use like reinforced or even divines for whatever mundus stone you're using. But if you're tanking I maybe assume you're using tristat gylphs, so idk the difference on those.

It's more than anything else gives you as a tank. Divines is nice, but honestly, a tank mostly uses the tower or the mage on which divines is not that significant. Reinforced is nice, but now with Lord Warden being OP a tank can reach that cap just fine without reinforced. Leaving infused as the only trait that gives a tank at least something.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · March 2016

So let me get this straight. ZOS is nice enough to let people buy the shoulders and helms instead of having to farm them and now everyone is mad about it because they don't come with the best trait in the game? Infused isn't even that bad. IMO you are lucky they even added the vendor in the first place.

driosketch · March 2016

The math you quoted only really pushes 7 devines for the crit stone builds in PvE, and even then they sound a little iffy on one of them based on "best on paper" conditions. The TL;DR is "It depends".

Also since you guys sound like you run 7 impenetrable, you'd be trading a small amount of defense for added damage on this particular piece. It may not be best in slot, but it's easily second or third. And with the AP you have now, it's basically being handed to you.

Jhunn · March 2016

The point of the vendor is bypassing this sh*tty RNG grind ESO dungeons and gold keys is. Why the hell do you put in a trait that's not BiS then?

Raise the price, make traits choosable. Simple, really.

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

Jhunn wrote: »

The point of the vendor is bypassing this sh*tty RNG grind ESO dungeons and gold keys is. Why the hell do you put in a trait that's not BiS then?

Raise the price, make traits choosable. Simple, really.

Then there will be a thread called "ZOS For the love of god reduce ap prices".

Alcast · March 2016

While I agree that it is not the perfect trait, I am actually VERY happy that I could purchase a LIGHT KENA shoulder, although it is infused but who cares.

Tryxus · March 2016

Alcast wrote: »

although it is infused but who cares.

Ppl who want Divines

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · March 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

although it is infused but who cares.

Ppl who want Divines

are being ungrateful. Sorry you didn't put a period at the end so I assumed we were playing finish the sentence.

Jhunn · March 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

although it is infused but who cares.

Ppl who want Divines

are being ungrateful. Sorry you didn't put a period at the end so I assumed we were playing finish the sentence.

I'm not ungrateful, just pissed I from ~300 dailies didn't get an impenetrable Malubeth shoulder.

It's on ZOS' side that we're in this situation.

LadyNalcarya · March 2016

Jhunn wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

although it is infused but who cares.

Ppl who want Divines

are being ungrateful. Sorry you didn't put a period at the end so I assumed we were playing finish the sentence.

I'm not ungrateful, just pissed I from ~300 dailies didn't get an impenetrable Malubeth shoulder.

It's on ZOS' side that we're in this situation.

Imo token system or better drops for pve and ap-only merchant in pvp (with much higher prices than now) would be better solution.

Clarkieson · March 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

No one uses infused, this is a minmaxing game, infused is not as good as it used to be.

These vendors are a very good idea, but can you please, just remove infused from them, have them come in divines/impen, up the prices a bit it's a very good AP sink as players have a lot of AP.

This type of thing, is just adding onto the irritation of players in this game, it's no secret that this game is built around minmaxing and meta gameplay, so please can you keep up to date with the traits, this isn't 1.5, the buff to mundus stones made divines the most useful trait if you're using thief of shadow as they are percentage increases (Mostly pvers are doing this, hardly see it in pvp) and anything else use impenetrable as you're gaining way more than losing. (Mostly pvpers are doing this as impen doesn't work in pve)

Legendary Divines = 7.5% increase of Mundus stone

Legendary Infused Large Pieces = 1041
Legendary Small Large Pieces = 421
Legendary Non Infused Large Pieces = 868
Legendary Non infused Small Pieces = 351
Total Infused = 4755
Toal Non Infused = 4008
Gain = 747

So you gain a total of 747 Magic or Stamina by using 7/7 infused over 7/7 Divines, or you can gain a 7.5% increase to your mundus stone.

How is this a marginal difference, to me it's a huge difference.

Can you people stop saying its a marginal difference, it's clearly not when you look into it a bit. Infused is almost useless at this point compared to Divines and Impenetrable

more tears than the average ocean! try grinding dungeons then and get what you want or just be a cry baby who cannot get rich mummy and daddy to buy things for you.

omg

Liukke · March 2016

But why don't you go into the pts if you want everything chooseable?
Stop crying like children because you can't have your own dream build in 2 months.

It will always require time and grinding, yes, grinding, deal with it, every dang MMO in the world have hateful rng and, you guessed it, deal with it or go play something else, play some game with trainers so you can have everything or go play some stupid social online game where you can buy your stuff with real cash.

For years this game had no vendors for those sets and now everybody is f*kin' cryin because they can't choose their trait?!
Really?
How old are you guys?
How interesting is your real life?
Looks like you don't have any incentive in earning something in a dumb online videogame, you just want to see your perfect character with everything shining quick and ready, where you always win because the mechanics are perfect and your play style is the only that works.

And by the way, I need the skoria helm but I'm not crying here trying to get some present from zenimax, that's just stupid and childish.
Please all grow up, spend less time in the forum and more into game and you'll see that things will happen

P.s.
You don't have time to farm things?
Sorry but this is an mmo, if everything were scaled to please casuals or players with no time there will be really no challenge.

Alcast · March 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

although it is infused but who cares.

Ppl who want Divines

There is an way to get divine...do the dungeons. Ofcrouse I also would love divine or impen, but if i really want to get it, I go do the dungeon to get it, problem solved.

People always want everything shoveld up their asses it is really unbeliviable.

IcyDeadPeople · March 2016

Impenetrable is the one trait that is specifically useful for PVP.

It would be great if all the gear items sold in Cyrodiil at the various vendors or what drops in Rewards for the Worthy and the loot boxes you can buy from these vendors was all available with this trait.
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Alcast wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

although it is infused but who cares.

Ppl who want Divines

There is an way to get divine...do the dungeons. Ofcrouse I also would love divine or impen, but if i really want to get it, I go do the dungeon to get it, problem solved.

People always want everything shoveld up their asses it is really unbeliviable.

If you enjoy running PVE dungeons, that's awesome. For many players this is a huge part of the game. Keep in mind, there are other players who find PVE boring and prefer to spend the limited time we have to play entirely in Cyrodiil.

Wasn't the point of making these items available for alliance points at the vendor in Cyrodiil for those who are not interested in PVE? Some players hate PVP. Others hate PVE. Why should anyone spend time in ESO doing something they find incredibly boring? I already have a job in real life for that.

For those who are worried about less potential players to group with for PVE, you really want someone in your group with zero desire to be there?
.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · March 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

although it is infused but who cares.

Ppl who want Divines

There is an way to get divine...do the dungeons. Ofcrouse I also would love divine or impen, but if i really want to get it, I go do the dungeon to get it, problem solved.

People always want everything shoveld up their asses it is really unbeliviable.

Exactly. Its the age of entitlement.

Xexpo · March 2016

If only there was this way to get exactly what traits you want ...
Something you could do everyday to get a chance ...
hmmm...

All sarcasm aside tho ... if they had min/max pieces at the vendor ... what would be the purpose of all the Dungeons?

While I too would prefer some divines/impen; selling the absolute best items at a vendor would not be good for the longevity of the game...

...but I feel like all of this is sort of obvious , no?

Waffennacht · March 2016

As a part of the Master Altmer Sorcerer Race, Im glad the worthless impen trait is not there.

Drakoleon · March 2016

GO DO THE DUNGEONS!!!.......YOU GO mate! I gave up doing dungeons just to collect something decent ones every 30-70 rounds! Oh yeah to one of my toons took about 70 rounds for JUST 1 proper set with the right traits on! Forget it.. its boring to death

I bet zeni masterminds don't even play their own game

Calandrae · March 2016

This thread is really some monumental entitled whining... Wow.

Oompuh · March 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

although it is infused but who cares.

Ppl who want Divines

There is an way to get divine...do the dungeons. Ofcrouse I also would love divine or impen, but if i really want to get it, I go do the dungeon to get it, problem solved.

People always want everything shoveld up their asses it is really unbeliviable.

I'm going to have to agree with Alcast here.

This Vendor should not be the death of dungeons or pledges. If you want the best in slot gear, go farm it. If you don't want to take the time, you're not going to get the best gear.

Infused is fair for everyone. It's not perfect for pvp or pve, but it's not the worst. Handing out bis gear is not healthy for this game.