The TG Meta

Parafrost · March 2016

Guys, we're all pvping wrong, Sorcs aren't supposed to have monitors/mines/shields, DKs arent supposed to use weapons, Nightblades cant use stealth, templars cant heal and use jabs. Also, NO POTS OR ULTS GUYS

Ishammael · March 2016

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Mobility for stamina builds? Retreating Maneuver, Shuffle, Forward Momentum? My 1.5 stam nb slotted efficient purge full time to help with CCs and fire siege.

No, mobility options for magicka DK or Templar.

There is no mobility at all.

Rhage.... :'(

mchermie · March 2016

ELDER SLOWS ONLINE. They should seriously consider a namechange

OdinForge · March 2016

Crown wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Soloing is almost a thing of the past...

@KenaPKK Not quite..

5 x Vicious Death
5 x Julianos
2 x WillPower
Jewlery enchanted with Spell Damage
Gear Enchanted with Max Magicka
Weapons with Penetration or Nirn trait and enchanted with Disease
All Gold (except 1 WillPower neck in Purple and 2 Vicious Death rings in Blue) with Gold enchants

Run around spamming Inevitable Detonation whenever you see 5+ opponents. Make sure to keep Radiant MageLight for more Crit and the Empower buff (use it before each explosion). Keep continuous attacks up. Keep Spell Power 20% buff up. Keep whatever bonus damage buffs you have available up.

I freely admit it's boring as all hell after the first 30 minutes of excitement, but watch as the AP flows and the hate tells flood your chat window.

This is the new AP farmer's dream.

It takes no skill.

There is nothing to differentiate a good player from any random person who can do the above.

I hate it.

This is not what most of us solo'ers wanted, or even consider solo'ing.

Septimus_Magna · March 2016

The normal movement speed and the major expedition buff are certainly broken, there's no way Im just as fast now while sprinting with a speed buff.

Also if you hold sprint on your horse the speed barely increases, especially if the terrain isnt completely flat. Its like a less severe version of the bug where you would stop while sprinting if there was a pebble on the road.

RinaldoGandolphi · March 2016

Xeven wrote: »

Stampede: 60% Snare
Lotus Fan: Immobilize + 60% Snare
Low Slash: 60% Snare
Bombard: Immobilize + 40% Snare
Warmth Passive: 30% Snare
Rending Slashes: 50% Snare
Caltrops: 30% Snare
Webs: 40% Snare
Cripple: Immobilize + 40% Snare
ALL GAP CLOSERS

It's like they're TRYING to make the game as ANNOYING and UNRESPONSIVE as possible.

Yo dawg we heard you like unresponsive games so we keep you snared 60% 24/7 and CC your ass every 5 seconds while you're being Lotus Fan spammed at 400++ ping. Please enjoy your adventures in Cyrodiil.

Straight up word!!!!!!!

KenaPKK · March 2016

Crown wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Soloing is almost a thing of the past...

@KenaPKK Not quite..

5 x Vicious Death
5 x Julianos
2 x WillPower
Jewlery enchanted with Spell Damage
Gear Enchanted with Max Magicka
Weapons with Penetration or Nirn trait and enchanted with Disease
All Gold (except 1 WillPower neck in Purple and 2 Vicious Death rings in Blue) with Gold enchants

Run around spamming Inevitable Detonation whenever you see 5+ opponents. Make sure to keep Radiant MageLight for more Crit and the Empower buff (use it before each explosion). Keep continuous attacks up. Keep Spell Power 20% buff up. Keep whatever bonus damage buffs you have available up.

I freely admit it's boring as all hell after the first 30 minutes of excitement, but watch as the AP flows and the hate tells flood your chat window.

This is the new AP farmer's dream.

It takes no skill.

There is nothing to differentiate a good player from any random person who can do the above.

I hate it.

Done it. Hated it.

I also ran around with the typical proxy + tether combo. Killed 250something people in 2 hours a few days ago, dying three times. Wiped some yellow guild ball or other twice solo and took Bleaks with 3 of my guys against like 18 EP with a solid siege defense.

Then I bought some coldfire trebs and ate dinner while shooting some EP zerg from on top of the BRK lumbermill resource tower. Easiest AP of all.

Then I got bored and went back to my staff build, which I love for its inherent counterplay and outplay potential. It has tons of sustained pressure with swallow and layered dots, but it can also burst with heavy + meteor + assassin's will + agony. It doesn't use VD, takes skill, and is a challenge to play. It's I find it quite fun.

RinaldoGandolphi · March 2016

All the snares in this game are a joke.

Every other city I go
Every other video
Its all bout you
No matter where i go
I see the same snaaaaare

Don;'t get mad dog, im only being real; yeah....

Publius_Scipio · March 2016

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

All the snares in this game are a joke.

Every other city I go
Every other video
Its all bout you
No matter where i go
I see the same snaaaaare

Don;'t get mad dog, im only being real; yeah....

An emo Tamerlin hears Rinaldo's story.

https://youtu.be/kK66CoU8XLE

PrinceFabious · March 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Soloing is almost a thing of the past...

@KenaPKK Not quite..

5 x Vicious Death
5 x Julianos
2 x WillPower
Jewlery enchanted with Spell Damage
Gear Enchanted with Max Magicka
Weapons with Penetration or Nirn trait and enchanted with Disease
All Gold (except 1 WillPower neck in Purple and 2 Vicious Death rings in Blue) with Gold enchants

Run around spamming Inevitable Detonation whenever you see 5+ opponents. Make sure to keep Radiant MageLight for more Crit and the Empower buff (use it before each explosion). Keep continuous attacks up. Keep Spell Power 20% buff up. Keep whatever bonus damage buffs you have available up.

I freely admit it's boring as all hell after the first 30 minutes of excitement, but watch as the AP flows and the hate tells flood your chat window.

This is the new AP farmer's dream.

It takes no skill.

There is nothing to differentiate a good player from any random person who can do the above.

I hate it.

Done it. Hated it.

I also ran around with the typical proxy + tether combo. Killed 250something people in 2 hours a few days ago, dying three times. Wiped some yellow guild ball or other twice solo and took Bleaks with 3 of my guys against like 18 EP with a solid siege defense.

Then I bought some coldfire trebs and ate dinner while shooting some EP zerg from on top of the BRK lumbermill resource tower. Easiest AP of all.

Then I got bored and went back to my staff build, which I love for its inherent counterplay and outplay potential. It has tons of sustained pressure with swallow and layered dots, but it can also burst with heavy + meteor + assassin's will + agony. It doesn't use VD, takes skill, and is a challenge to play. It's I find it quite fun.

Two people asked me today if I have a youtube vid showcasing my destro magblade build. I agree. Takes more skill than VD.

zyk · March 2016

Some people just don't know how to play Honourable Gentlemen Online. Just the other day, one fellow hit me in the face with his axe whist I was in the process of tossing my glove on the ground.

Later, while I rode my horse, someone had the audacity to shoot arrows at me. My cunning mount shaat in his path to snare him and we escaped unharmed.

Until, that is, I arrived at Fort Ash. After knocking on the door and demanding honour, some peasant poured FLAMING OIL on me.

Can you believe it???

(s-h-a-t is filtered)

Wollust · March 2016

TG has brought the worst meta this game has ever seen.
It's a snaring, zerging and exploding meta.

mchermie · March 2016

The fps-issues in this patch are killing me. Barely enjoyable to play in

Lore_lai · March 2016

Hate this patch.

Snares and roots everywhere (heck, I run speed immovable pots on my mag Templar and it feels like they do nothing now), getting freakin floppy-fish by pretty much every knock-down, double CCs aplenty, lag feels even more unbearable than in previous patch (even when I have low ping -low for what I usually run with 250ish - it still feels laggy and unresponsive), and the list can go on.

It feels harder and harder to find small-scale...

If not for the lovely people I have met in PvP, I think I would have been done with this game.

I'm thinking about cancelling my sub.

kuro-dono · March 2016

when will people finally get it? Overexcessive spam of aoes is making the ping jump and fps drop,

aoe> every single thing that hits multiple target, including siege weapons. When you got 20vs20 siege going ofc its laggy when there is siege spammers, heal spring spammers, purge users, siege bubble users etc and then the ninja squads that hit with their aoe burst same time with siege users the attackers etc.

Trueflame? cp> resource management so good that you just spam skillllllllllllssssssss and lagg the server to oblivioun with raid or the bug raid. the funny part with bug raids tho> they have tendency to not siege since they either save ap for some reason OR they have no clue what to do. for example> 40 covenants at nikel> 2 ppl siege and rest run around like headless chicken so scared of the countersiege and ninjas etc.

Azura star? no cp> you either have resource build or minmax build which latter build is favored still> so people can use some amount of skills, then they burn their resources. Azura star pc eu i have noticed that there is on each side only few healers who are set to be resource builds, so not that many heal/support spammers. So when we have either the aldmeri emperor running his vicious death squad or ebons organized raid, there is rarely anyone else using aoes except siege weapons.

Just have look at it boys and girls> have 1-2h raid at trueflame or ebonyblade where you arent first of all equipping vicious death. leave detonation off from bar and steel tornado. just by those 3 tings off from your setup when running as raid and you might be able to notice difference.

good luck out there otherwise and covenants welcome to join Azura star pc eu where we need wee more force to not be always at gate thanks to aldmeri morning/nightcap since they just have way more populations than ebon or covenants.

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Its just real shame that when people blame each other> they rarely look into mirror to realize that they are exacly doing the same thing to contribute for the lagggggggg.

Zergs, the massive amount of casuals is just excuse for people to make small scale units and aoe blobbers or ballerinas to kill them so that lagg would go away.

At azura, we the casual warriors have so much fun when small scalers, aoe blobbers and ballerinas stay away. everyone is happy for fighting 1-2h to capture keep, remember, medieval time, keeps didnt get taken in hours. they took days or weeks or even months. so when casuals vs casuals have fun people should be satisfied that they are keeping themself busy in their huge battles.

Unusually enough, i have been talking with the both enemy factions casual leaders, and both of them admit that so much better without the previous azura action or current trueflame action. Sadly Big boss has me on ignore list or has set himself offline so i cant talk to him to ask his insight into this situation that is allowing us to have fun.

Sharee · March 2016

zyk wrote: »

It's not like any the of soft CCs are new though. The only difference now is that it's not trivial for a couple of players in a group to spam rapids and purges. A common question lately has been, "does this take skill?" Did blowing off all soft CCs and siege with 3 abilities take skill?

Where were all the complaints about soft CCs when they were used to run over pugs and casuals every night? Or during the entirety of the FOTM DK era?

It's weird for me to see DKs and Sorcs complain about AE stuns and immobilizations. The mantra used to be "L2P noob". Well, this is what happened.

QFT.

If anything, all this complaining about snares that were there all this time shows how f-ed up the last meta was - people just ignored them all. And only now they are noticing.

Lore_lai wrote: »

Hate this patch.

Snares and roots everywhere (heck, I run speed immovable pots on my mag Templar and it feels like they do nothing now),

That's because they don't. Immovable counters stuns etc., not roots/snares. The speed buff from it is 30%, the speed debuff on most snares is 30-70% so you will usually be slowed anyway.

Lore_lai · March 2016

Sharee wrote: »

Lore_lai wrote: »

Hate this patch.

Snares and roots everywhere (heck, I run speed immovable pots on my mag Templar and it feels like they do nothing now),

That's because they don't. Immovable counters stuns etc., not roots/snares. The speed buff from it is 30%, the speed debuff on most snares is 30-70% so you will usually be slowed anyway.

I know what Immovable does.

I guess my wording wasn't the best and it was in context with how buggy some of the hard CCs feel now.
As for movement speed - magicka classes cannot afford to sprint everywhere if they need to disengage. So the reduced movement speed (default run, no sprint, which people have noticed to be an issue) coupled with reduced Major Expedition Buff makes everything feel slower. Even if they fix the slowdown on default movement speed, you will still be slower with major expedition if you don't sprint. And add on top of that all the snares.

Also - if we are talking about skill-less gameplay from blowing away all the soft CCs with 2 abilities, we should also look at the reverse and how cheesy it is to just sit far away and spam bombard. And now think about what, say, a magicka DK can do in this situation when someone spams bombard on them. Roll?

GG

Heck, even as Templar it's annoying because while you have to constantly purify it (hence waste a global cooldown on doing no damage), the bombard spammer soft CCs you AND has an ability that (IMO) does too much damage for its utility.

Sharee · March 2016

Lore_lai wrote: »

Also - if we are talking about skill-less gameplay from blowing away all the soft CCs with 2 abilities, we should also look at the reverse and how cheesy it is to just sit far away and spam bombard. And now think about what, say, a magicka DK can do in this situation when someone spams bombard on them. Roll? GG

Well i can answer that for myself since i just happen to play a heavy armor magicka DK. Chain, talons to return the favor, meteor, fossilize, talons, breath, embers, volatile armor, talons, whip 2x, etc. If i happen to have eruption slotted, then that too (70% snare, if they roll out of it hit them with another, it does more damage than impulse)

Lore_lai · March 2016

Aye - sounds good on paper or in a 1v1 (just like wrecking blow is easy to counter in that situation) - but if you're even slightly outnumbered/pressured and that bombard spammer is up on that rock (oh wait, your chains probably won't even work to begin with, in that case) then maybe that rotation won't work so flawlessly.

Sharee · March 2016

Lore_lai wrote: »

Aye - sounds good on paper or in a 1v1 (just like wrecking blow is easy to counter in that situation) - but if you're even slightly outnumbered/pressured and that bombard spammer is up on that rock (oh wait, your chains probably won't even work to begin with, in that case) then maybe that rotation won't work so flawlessly.

If he is on a rock then he is a non-factor because he is static. I will simply ignore him, use my chain to move to targets i want to attack, and reflect anything dangerous back at him.

zyk · March 2016

Magicka DKs aren't allowed to complain about AE immobilization spam.

Lore_lai · March 2016

Sharee wrote: »

Lore_lai wrote: »

Aye - sounds good on paper or in a 1v1 (just like wrecking blow is easy to counter in that situation) - but if you're even slightly outnumbered/pressured and that bombard spammer is up on that rock (oh wait, your chains probably won't even work to begin with, in that case) then maybe that rotation won't work so flawlessly.

If he is on a rock then he is a non-factor because he is static. I will simply ignore him, use my chain to move to targets i want to attack, and reflect anything dangerous back at him.

There's nothing to reflect - say he just spams bombard (which is very probable he'll do because I see this everyday in Cyro) - if you are not going to be annoyed by the perma-root spam while in a situation where you need mobility, then hats off to you, you win Cyro! *bows*

Sharee · March 2016

Lore_lai wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Lore_lai wrote: »

Aye - sounds good on paper or in a 1v1 (just like wrecking blow is easy to counter in that situation) - but if you're even slightly outnumbered/pressured and that bombard spammer is up on that rock (oh wait, your chains probably won't even work to begin with, in that case) then maybe that rotation won't work so flawlessly.

If he is on a rock then he is a non-factor because he is static. I will simply ignore him, use my chain to move to targets i want to attack, and reflect anything dangerous back at him.

There's nothing to reflect - say he just spams bombard (which is very probable he'll do because I see this everyday in Cyro) - if you are not going to be annoyed by the perma-root spam while in a situation where you need mobility, then hats off to you, you win Cyro! *bows*

Chains ignore roots. And i use chains to close the gap with whoever i want to attack anyway. So i basically ignore his 'perma root' by default. I'll just drop an eruption on his rock to tag him and get AP after someone else kills him (a static, unmoving target in PvP? Life expectancy counted in seconds)

KingYogi415 · March 2016

RIP movement speed.

I can barely hop over small walls let alone climb; but I can kill molag bal???

Moglijuana · March 2016

Psilent wrote: »

Last night right before I went to bed; was standing half asleep at Alessia Farm. BAM! Death Recap... Proximity Detonation, Proximity Detonation, Vicious Death, Proximity Detonation, Vicious Death.

I said to myself "Sigh, got to remember when the flag U is red to move away... You just got wrecked.. Oh! Keep is not flagged! Oh! 21k defense tick! THANK YOU random Prox Det dude! If it wasn't for you I'd have missed that 21k tick! I LOVE YOU! YES I DO! SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!"

I actually didn't mind last patch's meta.. Far less meteors...

Edit: Forgot to add, the RotW Mail from that tick was a sharpened sword of vicious death that sold for 100k over night. Really loving that guy who killed me! xD

I just sold a precise VD sword for 250k last night on Ps4. Funny thing is, the kid who bought it is a total scrub and will probably fail lol.

Mrs_Quietus · March 2016

VD should just have a (insert number)% chance proc on it. If its not guaranteed every time, people might be less inclined to rely on it, since you have to give up better over all stats from other sets to run it. The execute behavior it seems to show at times needs to be fixed as well.

zyk · March 2016

Mrs_Quietus wrote: »

VD should just have a (insert number)% chance proc on it. If its not guaranteed every time, people might be less inclined to rely on it, since you have to give up better over all stats from other sets to run it. The execute behavior it seems to show at times needs to be fixed as well.

I don't think the problem is that players "rely on it". The rare time I play these days, I always go in with a plan to use a different set, but always fall back to vd because there are condensed groups everywhere. It's the right tool for that job.

I don't agree vd should be a % proc because then it will lose its value as a deterrent. I don't like that vd is the counter for stacked players, but it is, so I'm going to use it.

I've been mostly solo fighting in large fights since 2.3 was released and I think I've died to vd maybe three times that I can clearly recall. It's not super hard to avoid.

I don't think that it's an OP set because it's bonus is situational. Spread out, and that bomber is now an easy kill. You don't even need to spread out that much.

frozywozy · March 2016

I must admit it's pretty enjoyable to see all those purge springs marathon runners complaining about slows. Sorry boys, not going back to purge maneuver spam while going inside a breach anytime soon. You either pick to spam purge and spring or to run fast, can't have it all.

Kilandros · March 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

I must admit it's pretty enjoyable to see all those purge springs marathon runners complaining about slows. Sorry boys, not going back to purge maneuver spam while going inside a breach anytime soon. You either pick to spam purge and spring or to run fast, can't have it all.

You should apply similar logic toward your hate of Radiant Destruction: Bring purge to counter it or don't. Sorry you can't have it all.

frozywozy · March 2016

Kilandros wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I must admit it's pretty enjoyable to see all those purge springs marathon runners complaining about slows. Sorry boys, not going back to purge maneuver spam while going inside a breach anytime soon. You either pick to spam purge and spring or to run fast, can't have it all.

You should apply similar logic toward your hate of Radiant Destruction: Bring purge to counter it or don't. Sorry you can't have it all.

I counter Radiant Destruction with 55 points in Elemental Defender, 20 points in Thick Skinned, 10 points in Spell Shield, 60points in Resistant, 7 pieces impen, Shuffle, Hardened Armor, Igneous Shield, Vigor and Rally. Now you expect to be able to heal, purge, maneuver while rolling over pugs with VD and prox?