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Ishammael · March 2016

zyk wrote: »

Mobility for stamina builds? Retreating Maneuver, Shuffle, Forward Momentum? My 1.5 stam nb slotted efficient purge full time to help with CCs and fire siege.

No, mobility options for magicka DK or Templar.

Zheg · March 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

It is so discouraging.

A lot of leads and officers in my guild, myself included, are pretty much here out of spite against the strongest anti-group patches in the history of the game. No one wants to call it quits because of a bad patch, part of being competitive is adapting. What we've found is not that we're not effective -- we get more kills and more AP than ever -- it's that the game just isn't fun.

You walk in snares 24-7. Constantly caltropped, rooted, bombarded, spammed by gap closers. Everything moves slow, it is infuriating to not have control of your character most of the time. Burst damage was massively upped, mitigation was shattered. My guild used to build for sustain fights, long battles you could win by out tanking, out sustaining. None of that now. I'm rolling around as a magica build with 1100 regen because it doesn't matter. The game is reduced to bomb bomb bomb.

If I didn't have a good group of friends I want to keep together to bring to another game, I wouldn't be playing this garbage. What a joke.

I only disagree with your last sentence, @Satiar , which is entirely the point.

When Cyrodiil works (i.e. no lag, competitive map, good opponents, etc.) it is almost a sublime experience. Cyrodiil is beautiful, fun, challenging, rewarding. Despite all the flaws at launch it was clear that this was the case. Review after review praised the AvA zone and content while disparaging the PvE content.

Yet we stand here two years later. Cyrodiil has almost been completely neglected in favor of PvE content. And the PvE content is still a joke! There is one trial. ONE! Everything except that trial, VMA, and ICP is face-to-keyboard easy, i.e. 99% of the PvE content. On the other hand, PvP players have amused themselves readily with no content additions which is a testament to how good Cyro PvP is at its core. In fact, we don't really ask for much except minor balance tweaks along the way and small content additions to go with (new outputs, capturable areas, etc.). Do you know how long it takes to finish Wrothgar zone? <10hrs. Thieves Guild? <10hrs. Then you're stuck with stupid repeatable fetch quests long abandoned in the 90s. If they added a new tower in between Roe and Brindle by god I would fight there all weekend! I would take the scroll there!

Sigh. The writing is on the wall, and has been for at least a year. Once CU beta drops we're all gone anyway. Hell, go watch the class description video released yesterday. Amazing.

I have a better understanding of the developers' vision for classes in a game that is still in alpha than I do in ESO.

Class balance, itemization, combat and the meta as a whole - just a quick look at the forums show how monumentally pissed off and disappointed most of the playerbase is. We even TOLD wrobel and wheeler what this meta would end up looking like months in advance. How is it possible for the players to have so much more comprehension and foresight than the lead developers? Normally I'd blame it all on wrobel, but wheeler gets blame for this fiasco too with the combo of siege, forward camps, and lack of objectives catalyzing wrobel's asinine balance work into a gigantic Zerg v Zerg stack at a single keep.

Ishammael · March 2016

zyk wrote: »

To be clear, VD did not kill Alcast in that video. The proc displayed in Recount was cosmetic and incidental. Read his thread. It has been analyzed to death. When it appeared he was half health, he was actually closer to 30% health and Radiant Destruction killed him.

I read the thread. Yes, its not VD. My point was the because health de-sync is still a problem, it doesn't matter from Alcasts PoV: he still died from seemingly nowhere.

GRxKnight · March 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Mobility for stamina builds? Retreating Maneuver, Shuffle, Forward Momentum? My 1.5 stam nb slotted efficient purge full time to help with CCs and fire siege.

No, mobility options for magicka DK or Templar.

I'd go as far as saying mobility for magicka classes are gimped even with steak and cloak given how annoying spam-bush and spam-pede are

zyk · March 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Mobility for stamina builds? Retreating Maneuver, Shuffle, Forward Momentum? My 1.5 stam nb slotted efficient purge full time to help with CCs and fire siege.

No, mobility options for magicka DK or Templar.

Please excuse me. I read the m as medium for whatever reason. My Magicka NB uses Retreating Maneuver and I run with a decent pool of Stamina. Cloak doesn't help much in the big fights and I don't slot any other movement buffs.

zyk · March 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

To be clear, VD did not kill Alcast in that video. The proc displayed in Recount was cosmetic and incidental. Read his thread. It has been analyzed to death. When it appeared he was half health, he was actually closer to 30% health and Radiant Destruction killed him.

I read the thread. Yes, its not VD. My point was the because health de-sync is still a problem, it doesn't matter from Alcasts PoV: he still died from seemingly nowhere.

Yes, health desyncs are a major problem. No question. That has nothing at all to do with VD though. VD did not proc @ 50%, nor did it kill him.

Parafrost · March 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

1. Vicious Death (would be bad even if it didn't proc at half health)
2. Prox Det Buff (LOL)
3. Unreflectable Meteors (LOL)
4. Buffed Siege (fine by itself, but taken in context of other stuff... awful)
5. Wings reflection costs resources (game breaking, needs hotfix)
6. Templar House (four whole fried chickens and coke, dry white toast)
7. Nerfed movement speed (seriosuly, why?!)

A few NBs are gonna get some LOLs by running full burst mode with Alchemist and VD.
Templars are having fun with RD, but I'm sure they'd give that up to have BoL back and some actual defensive skills (cough *Bliding Flashes* cough).
Sorcs are bursting with the NBs.
Magicka DKs are... LOL

I'm only scratching the surface... but by god, this is probably the worst its been since 1.2.

You forgot the purple drink on templar house.

Master_Kas · March 2016

Xeven wrote: »

Stampede: 60% Snare
Lotus Fan: Immobilize + 60% Snare
Low Slash: 60% Snare
Bombard: Immobilize + 40% Snare
Warmth Passive: 30% Snare
Rending Slashes: 50% Snare
Caltrops: 30% Snare
Webs: 40% Snare
Cripple: Immobilize + 40% Snare
ALL GAP CLOSERS

It's like they're TRYING to make the game as ANNOYING and UNRESPONSIVE as possible.

Yo dawg I heard you like unresponsive games so we keep you snared 60% 24/7 and CC your ass every 5 seconds while being Lotus Fan spammed at 300++ ping. Please enjoy your adventures in Cyrodiil.

LOOL the last pic

Parafrost · March 2016

GRxKnight wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Mobility for stamina builds? Retreating Maneuver, Shuffle, Forward Momentum? My 1.5 stam nb slotted efficient purge full time to help with CCs and fire siege.

No, mobility options for magicka DK or Templar.

I'd go as far as saying mobility for magicka classes are gimped even with steak and cloak given how annoying spam-bush and spam-pede are

you forgetting spamtus(lotus fan spamming for mag nightblade)

All we got is spamchains and that doesnt do ***.

Lord_Hev · March 2016

Yeah, this ****ing snares got to go. WTF. For the past 3 months I've felt like I had a permanent snare on me. Every single *** thing is a snare.

WHY?

flying_ace2 · March 2016

GRxKnight wrote: »

I'd go as far as saying mobility for magicka classes are gimped even with steak and cloak given how annoying spam-bush and spam-pede are

Well they gave us steak to make up for the lack of mobility!

Seriously though, streak is next to worthless after this patch - hit the key, either nothing happens or it goes off anywhere between 5-10 seconds later and puts me some place I don't want to be. Rapids certainly don't help much anymore. So the last option is dodge-rolling, and, being a sorc and all, I can do 2 of those before my entire stam pool is gone.

dodgehopper_ESO · March 2016

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

What is 'templar house'

Nobody knows.

Ishammael · March 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

What is 'templar house'

Nobody knows.

We're on a mission from God.

zyk · March 2016

My takeaway from this thread so far is... nerf talons?

dodgehopper_ESO · March 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

What is 'templar house'

Nobody knows.

We're on a mission from God.

Now I have the Blues Brothers theme music in my head, between that quote, and the 'two whole fried chickens and a coke'. Let me just add another favored quote:

'We're gettin' the band back together.'

Xeven · March 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Mobility for stamina builds? Retreating Maneuver, Shuffle, Forward Momentum? My 1.5 stam nb slotted efficient purge full time to help with CCs and fire siege.

No, mobility options for magicka DK or Templar.

That camel mount though.

Ishammael · March 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

What is 'templar house'

Nobody knows.

We're on a mission from God.

Now I have the Blues Brothers theme music in my head, between that quote, and the 'two whole fried chickens and a coke'. Let me just add another favored quote:

'We're gettin' the band back together.'

You gotta think
<think>
'bout what 'chou tryin' to do to me

Ishammael · March 2016

zyk wrote: »

My takeaway from this thread so far is... nerf talons?

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

"Hit it"

Xeven · March 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

'We're gettin' the band back together.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GZ2QQqxttA

Joy_Division · March 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

My takeaway from this thread so far is... nerf talons?

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

"Hit it"

You're gonna look pretty funny trying to eat corn of the cob with no F****** teeth"

Minno · March 2016

What sucks is that this games wants the following in order:

1) lag/performance fixed
2) end game pve and additional objectives in cyro/IC
3) class balance.

Aside from one new trial and a few skills changes to match consistency, we received nothing. Yes there were lag fixes and performance updates but a large chunk of ESO can't play due to video card issues.

Lag was the reason I unsubscribed this month. And we can all agree we could stomach other issues so long as we can have launch-style responsiveness in pvp/pve performance.

Crown · March 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Soloing is almost a thing of the past...

@KenaPKK Not quite..

5 x Vicious Death
5 x Julianos
2 x WillPower
Jewlery enchanted with Spell Damage
Gear Enchanted with Max Magicka
Weapons with Penetration or Nirn trait and enchanted with Disease
All Gold (except 1 WillPower neck in Purple and 2 Vicious Death rings in Blue) with Gold enchants

Run around spamming Inevitable Detonation whenever you see 5+ opponents. Make sure to keep Radiant MageLight for more Crit and the Empower buff (use it before each explosion). Keep continuous attacks up. Keep Spell Power 20% buff up. Keep whatever bonus damage buffs you have available up.

I freely admit it's boring as all hell after the first 30 minutes of excitement, but watch as the AP flows and the hate tells flood your chat window.

This is the new AP farmer's dream.

It takes no skill.

There is nothing to differentiate a good player from any random person who can do the above.

I hate it.

firewatch · March 2016

Xeven wrote: »

Stampede: 60% Snare
Lotus Fan: Immobilize + 60% Snare
Low Slash: 60% Snare
Bombard: Immobilize + 40% Snare
Warmth Passive: 30% Snare
Rending Slashes: 50% Snare
Caltrops: 30% Snare
Webs: 40% Snare
Cripple: Immobilize + 40% Snare
ALL GAP CLOSERS

It's like they're TRYING to make the game as ANNOYING and UNRESPONSIVE as possible.

Yo dawg we heard you like unresponsive games so we keep you snared 60% 24/7 and CC your ass every 5 seconds while you're being Lotus Fan spammed at 400++ ping. Please enjoy your adventures in Cyrodiil.

Best post I've seen in a while. The number of snares/stuns in this game is ridiculous and the game becomes more unresponsive with every patch. I've been playing since beta and PvP is more annoying than fun right now. Feels like I spend more time dealing with load screens and crashes than playing.

Derra · March 2016

Remove detonation in any form - replace with buff to aoe scaling on 3+ ppl hit.
Halve all snare in the game.
Implement a root immunity (different from normal cc immunity).
Fix all the broken abilities.

zyk · March 2016

It's not like any the of soft CCs are new though. The only difference now is that it's not trivial for a couple of players in a group to spam rapids and purges. A common question lately has been, "does this take skill?" Did blowing off all soft CCs and siege with 3 abilities take skill?

Where were all the complaints about soft CCs when they were used to run over pugs and casuals every night? Or during the entirety of the FOTM DK era?

It's weird for me to see DKs and Sorcs complain about AE stuns and immobilizations. The mantra used to be "L2P noob". Well, this is what happened.

firewatch · March 2016

flying_ace2 wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

I'd go as far as saying mobility for magicka classes are gimped even with steak and cloak given how annoying spam-bush and spam-pede are

Well they gave us steak to make up for the lack of mobility!

Seriously though, streak is next to worthless after this patch - hit the key, either nothing happens or it goes off anywhere between 5-10 seconds later and puts me some place I don't want to be. Rapids certainly don't help much anymore. So the last option is dodge-rolling, and, being a sorc and all, I can do 2 of those before my entire stam pool is gone.

Streak is so annoying now I quit playing my sorc...

DHale · March 2016

I love this patch and just want them to fix the bugs.

HoloYoitsu · March 2016

Crown wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Soloing is almost a thing of the past...

@KenaPKK Not quite..

5 x Vicious Death
5 x Julianos
2 x WillPower
Jewlery enchanted with Spell Damage
Gear Enchanted with Max Magicka
Weapons with Penetration or Nirn trait and enchanted with Disease
All Gold (except 1 WillPower neck in Purple and 2 Vicious Death rings in Blue) with Gold enchants

Run around spamming Inevitable Detonation whenever you see 5+ opponents. Make sure to keep Radiant MageLight for more Crit and the Empower buff (use it before each explosion). Keep continuous attacks up. Keep Spell Power 20% buff up. Keep whatever bonus damage buffs you have available up.

I freely admit it's boring as all hell after the first 30 minutes of excitement, but watch as the AP flows and the hate tells flood your chat window.

This is the new AP farmer's dream.

It takes no skill.

There is nothing to differentiate a good player from any random person who can do the above.

I hate it.

Don't forget the most important step:

Be a Night Blade.

caeliusstarbreaker · March 2016

Ishammael wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Mobility for stamina builds? Retreating Maneuver, Shuffle, Forward Momentum? My 1.5 stam nb slotted efficient purge full time to help with CCs and fire siege.

No, mobility options for magicka DK or Templar.

There is no mobility at all.

Publius_Scipio · March 2016

I bucked the meta and stayed stam. THE META LOOKED AT PUBLUS SCIPIO AND RAN SCARED.