Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I just started playing my Sorc. After reading your post OP, I come to only one question I feel tickled to ask.
Why would I let myself get hit to begin with?
ummm.... because as a magick based sorc you have a 2 dodge roll limit.... and you can't farm IC, dungeons, and expecially pvp (everyone has a pocket templar/stealth/vigor)etc purely defensively with daedric mines, streak, prison, and pets.
If you need to rely on shields in PVE content something is wrong with your group. There is no mechanic outside of trials that should be one-shotting you as a DPS.
Either your delusional, or wearing heavy armor calling yourself a dps, or have a very wierd niche build where you can apparently take hits from multiple sources for 12k+ and random hits for 18-36k ...
Jeez guys. you'd think I want to give my class god mode. Can ANYONE produce an evidence that sorcs are harder to kill then any other class? ANYONE? Can any of you show me your evidence that we are OP?
here is my actual evidence.
http://i.imgur.com/WBfKq2U.png
Nightblades kill me the most, I kill them the most out of any other class. we're counter classes so this makes alot of sense.
Show me evidence that sorcs are face rolling all of you with triple shield stacks, and one shotting you before you even have a chance to react.
I'm not pushing for more damage output lol... I'm trying to get a slight buff to ward so sorcs arn't forced to play more defensively... which can/will have far reaching results.
With the recent developments in pvp and pve, I believe us sorcs need a *slight*adjustment in our shields. with bosses hitting for 34k (past the threshold of 99% of sorcs ward), and pvp players hitting for 14+k Wrecking blows in pvp (which is the average sorcs shields +3k) and the coming Darkflare madness of 22k+ hits in pvp we need a slight adjustment...which is somewhat fair since we're going to be getting dots on our shields and we already have an entire set built to go right past them...
Before the rage machine starts let me say this: sorcs have 1 shield the rest of you don't have access too. and most of you have plenty of other defenses, mitigation techniques, and your *own* form of shields...
But in past metas we got a shield strong enough to repel 1 strong attack, and 2-3 lesser attacks. If we *don't* see an adjustment to our shield values we'll be relegated to our shields taking half of a strong attack, and our pve tanking abilities are being hampered as well by the absolutely *beast mode* hits even the smallest daedra can push out.
This won't hold of sorcs if we don't receive attention like this... instead of one shield most sorcs use now, we'll see alot more shield stacking and resto staves to compensate for this weakness...which would only make fighting sorcs worse (believe me on this plz) in pvp, and more sorc exclusivity in pve because if we're all running resto staves....why do we need a templar?
in other words... not giving a small buff to ward at this point , will make the next patches sorcs adapt...and that adaption won't benefit anyone.
Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I just started playing my Sorc. After reading your post OP, I come to only one question I feel tickled to ask.
Why would I let myself get hit to begin with?
ummm.... because as a magick based sorc you have a 2 dodge roll limit.... and you can't farm IC, dungeons, and expecially pvp (everyone has a pocket templar/stealth/vigor)etc purely defensively with daedric mines, streak, prison, and pets.
I love the templar as pet references ... by all means buff Sorc Shields (no one else's class shields thought right?). Templar's shields are battle spirit nerfed to be to weak for PVP so the class with the most mobility and burst DPS class shields can be made acceptable. I have no sympathy for Sorc shields. Every other class shield is trash so you're should be too.If you need to rely on shields in PVE content something is wrong with your group. There is no mechanic outside of trials that should be one-shotting you as a DPS.
Either your delusional, or wearing heavy armor calling yourself a dps, or have a very wierd niche build where you can apparently take hits from multiple sources for 12k+ and random hits for 18-36k ...
Jeez guys. you'd think I want to give my class god mode. Can ANYONE produce an evidence that sorcs are harder to kill then any other class? ANYONE? Can any of you show me your evidence that we are OP?
here is my actual evidence.
http://i.imgur.com/WBfKq2U.png
Nightblades kill me the most, I kill them the most out of any other class. we're counter classes so this makes alot of sense.
Show me evidence that sorcs are face rolling all of you with triple shield stacks, and one shotting you before you even have a chance to react.
I'm not pushing for more damage output lol... I'm trying to get a slight buff to ward so sorcs arn't forced to play more defensively... which can/will have far reaching results.
According to your "actual evidence" you kill far more then you die. 3/1 kill/deaths verse most classes ... I'd say your own evidence shows your class is OP.
Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I just started playing my Sorc. After reading your post OP, I come to only one question I feel tickled to ask.
Why would I let myself get hit to begin with?
ummm.... because as a magick based sorc you have a 2 dodge roll limit.... and you can't farm IC, dungeons, and expecially pvp (everyone has a pocket templar/stealth/vigor)etc purely defensively with daedric mines, streak, prison, and pets.
I love the templar as pet references ... by all means buff Sorc Shields (no one else's class shields thought right?). Templar's shields are battle spirit nerfed to be to weak for PVP so the class with the most mobility and burst DPS class shields can be made acceptable. I have no sympathy for Sorc shields. Every other class shield is trash so you're should be too.If you need to rely on shields in PVE content something is wrong with your group. There is no mechanic outside of trials that should be one-shotting you as a DPS.
Either your delusional, or wearing heavy armor calling yourself a dps, or have a very wierd niche build where you can apparently take hits from multiple sources for 12k+ and random hits for 18-36k ...
Jeez guys. you'd think I want to give my class god mode. Can ANYONE produce an evidence that sorcs are harder to kill then any other class? ANYONE? Can any of you show me your evidence that we are OP?
here is my actual evidence.
http://i.imgur.com/WBfKq2U.png
Nightblades kill me the most, I kill them the most out of any other class. we're counter classes so this makes alot of sense.
Show me evidence that sorcs are face rolling all of you with triple shield stacks, and one shotting you before you even have a chance to react.
I'm not pushing for more damage output lol... I'm trying to get a slight buff to ward so sorcs arn't forced to play more defensively... which can/will have far reaching results.
According to your "actual evidence" you kill far more then you die. 3/1 kill/deaths verse most classes ... I'd say your own evidence shows your class is OP.
Why should a Templar shield be just as good as a Sorc shield when Templars already have their defense? The damage shields for the other classes supplement their defenses. Hardened Ward is our defenses...just sayin'.
Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I just started playing my Sorc. After reading your post OP, I come to only one question I feel tickled to ask.
Why would I let myself get hit to begin with?
ummm.... because as a magick based sorc you have a 2 dodge roll limit.... and you can't farm IC, dungeons, and expecially pvp (everyone has a pocket templar/stealth/vigor)etc purely defensively with daedric mines, streak, prison, and pets.
I love the templar as pet references ... by all means buff Sorc Shields (no one else's class shields thought right?). Templar's shields are battle spirit nerfed to be to weak for PVP so the class with the most mobility and burst DPS class shields can be made acceptable. I have no sympathy for Sorc shields. Every other class shield is trash so you're should be too.If you need to rely on shields in PVE content something is wrong with your group. There is no mechanic outside of trials that should be one-shotting you as a DPS.
Either your delusional, or wearing heavy armor calling yourself a dps, or have a very wierd niche build where you can apparently take hits from multiple sources for 12k+ and random hits for 18-36k ...
Jeez guys. you'd think I want to give my class god mode. Can ANYONE produce an evidence that sorcs are harder to kill then any other class? ANYONE? Can any of you show me your evidence that we are OP?
here is my actual evidence.
http://i.imgur.com/WBfKq2U.png
Nightblades kill me the most, I kill them the most out of any other class. we're counter classes so this makes alot of sense.
Show me evidence that sorcs are face rolling all of you with triple shield stacks, and one shotting you before you even have a chance to react.
I'm not pushing for more damage output lol... I'm trying to get a slight buff to ward so sorcs arn't forced to play more defensively... which can/will have far reaching results.
According to your "actual evidence" you kill far more then you die. 3/1 kill/deaths verse most classes ... I'd say your own evidence shows your class is OP.
Why should a Templar shield be just as good as a Sorc shield when Templars already have their defense? The damage shields for the other classes supplement their defenses. Hardened Ward is our defenses...just sayin'.
Templar doesn't have any special class defences, especially not after TG goes live with even more nerfs. Use a better class as example if you want to make a point
Only thing defensive skill a templar has left at this point is Rushed Ceremony. Rest is removed or nerfed so harshly no point slotting. But Sorc can use Healing Ward for bursty self heal, being pretty comparable to Rushed Ceremony.
On top of that mag sorc also has a 10k+ Hardened Ward in PvP making you immune to crits(that OP thinks needs buffing), access to cheap and spammable major expedition buff for mobility, a teleport, pet next patch that outheals Rushed Ceremony, Mines to stand in and Defensive Rune to prep proactively.
Yet templars are(according to Wrobel) suppose to stand their ground and soak dmg, that's why they cant do such a fundamental thing as kiting. Meanwhile sorc's, I'm guessing indented to kite and burst as traditional casters, have better tools to stand their ground lol. It makes no sense.
I'm not asking for sorc shield nerf btw. Because there's more classes you have to face in PvP than nerfplars. Mag sorc's really need that shield to withstand NB burst and stamina DKs on live, for example. Against that, they easily get rekt even with the shield. But buffing it would be a little excessive.
Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I just started playing my Sorc. After reading your post OP, I come to only one question I feel tickled to ask.
Why would I let myself get hit to begin with?
ummm.... because as a magick based sorc you have a 2 dodge roll limit.... and you can't farm IC, dungeons, and expecially pvp (everyone has a pocket templar/stealth/vigor)etc purely defensively with daedric mines, streak, prison, and pets.
DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?
DurzoBlint13 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?
The hardest Ward in PvE is still the hardest ward in PvP. Every shield gets cut in half in Cyrodil not just sorc shields, so that comment is totally irrelevant. If a Templar is CC'd they can not heal, while sorcs get their un-critable shield at all time. If a Templar is healing himself he is not doing damage, while sorcs can still hide behind HW and deal damage.
willymchilybily wrote: »@NativeJoe I am lost with this post and conversation
My sorcerers survivablility in any PvE content far exceeds any other DPS class I can run and get okay numbers with. and i already run a restoration staff in PvE. Sure i could duelwield just to pop off overload spam but its unlikely id increase my DPS.rapid regen from maelstrom staff gives me enough magic regen to drop the jewlery regen glyph for spell damage, which ups all my damage and not just DW overload damage. And this coupled with the spell damage from maelstrom destro is great.so what you describe is how quite a few sorcs already run for PvE
also, I dont know what is hitting you so hard in PvE but it sounds like you or your group is doing something wrong if that is occuring.
i think you are a little Naive, your PvE groups sound terrible and messy and probably why you want more shields. 3 sorcs, so who is helping the tank's stam? Id much rather run with a templar healer because elemental drain for me + shards + repentance for tank. means your tank doesnt have to worry about resources and can round up the mobs for quicker burn, your dps can dps instead of a healing and dps messy hybrid that wastes resources. And for trash mob clearing, stam DW spin to win NB is hard to beat, that's who i'd want with me, and they are much more effective with a templar there.
DurzoBlint13 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?
The hardest Ward in PvE is still the hardest ward in PvP. Every shield gets cut in half in Cyrodil not just sorc shields, so that comment is totally irrelevant. If a Templar is CC'd they can not heal, while sorcs get their un-critable shield at all time. If a Templar is healing himself he is not doing damage, while sorcs can still hide behind HW and deal damage.
DurzoBlint13 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?
The hardest Ward in PvE is still the hardest ward in PvP. Every shield gets cut in half in Cyrodil not just sorc shields, so that comment is totally irrelevant. If a Templar is CC'd they can not heal, while sorcs get their un-critable shield at all time. If a Templar is healing himself he is not doing damage, while sorcs can still hide behind HW and deal damage.
This guys is part of that 90% I'm talking about.
Callous2208 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?
The hardest Ward in PvE is still the hardest ward in PvP. Every shield gets cut in half in Cyrodil not just sorc shields, so that comment is totally irrelevant. If a Templar is CC'd they can not heal, while sorcs get their un-critable shield at all time. If a Templar is healing himself he is not doing damage, while sorcs can still hide behind HW and deal damage.
This guys is part of that 90% I'm talking about.
Lol, no need to bash him. Your laughable posts about templar shields and healing have revealed what class of individuals you belong to. The classic, "I have no freaking clue how any other class works, please buff mine to godlike levels to cover for my lack of skill."
Callous2208 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?
The hardest Ward in PvE is still the hardest ward in PvP. Every shield gets cut in half in Cyrodil not just sorc shields, so that comment is totally irrelevant. If a Templar is CC'd they can not heal, while sorcs get their un-critable shield at all time. If a Templar is healing himself he is not doing damage, while sorcs can still hide behind HW and deal damage.
This guys is part of that 90% I'm talking about.
Lol, no need to bash him. Your laughable posts about templar shields and healing have revealed what class of individuals you belong to. The classic, "I have no freaking clue how any other class works, please buff mine to godlike levels to cover for my lack of skill."