Sorcs need a Shield buff!
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Essiaga✭✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I just started playing my Sorc. After reading your post OP, I come to only one question I feel tickled to ask.
Why would I let myself get hit to begin with?
ummm.... because as a magick based sorc you have a 2 dodge roll limit.... and you can't farm IC, dungeons, and expecially pvp (everyone has a pocket templar/stealth/vigor)etc purely defensively with daedric mines, streak, prison, and pets.
I love the templar as pet references ... by all means buff Sorc Shields (no one else's class shields thought right?). Templar's shields are battle spirit nerfed to be to weak for PVP so the class with the most mobility and burst DPS class shields can be made acceptable. I have no sympathy for Sorc shields. Every other class shield is trash so you're should be too.If you need to rely on shields in PVE content something is wrong with your group. There is no mechanic outside of trials that should be one-shotting you as a DPS.
Either your delusional, or wearing heavy armor calling yourself a dps, or have a very wierd niche build where you can apparently take hits from multiple sources for 12k+ and random hits for 18-36k ...
Jeez guys. you'd think I want to give my class god mode. Can ANYONE produce an evidence that sorcs are harder to kill then any other class? ANYONE? Can any of you show me your evidence that we are OP?
here is my actual evidence.
http://i.imgur.com/WBfKq2U.png
Nightblades kill me the most, I kill them the most out of any other class. we're counter classes so this makes alot of sense.
Show me evidence that sorcs are face rolling all of you with triple shield stacks, and one shotting you before you even have a chance to react.
I'm not pushing for more damage output lol... I'm trying to get a slight buff to ward so sorcs arn't forced to play more defensively... which can/will have far reaching results.
According to your "actual evidence" you kill far more then you die. 3/1 kill/deaths verse most classes ... I'd say your own evidence shows your class is OP.4 -
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✭accidental double post deletedEdited by FriedEggSandwich on February 23, 2016 7:26AMPC | EU0 -
strikeback1247✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes the sorc shield needs be brought "on par" with the other class shields! So let's scale it off of health
P.A.W.S. - Positively Against Wild Sasquatches - NO TO BIGFOOT!4 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭With the recent developments in pvp and pve, I believe us sorcs need a *slight*adjustment in our shields. with bosses hitting for 34k (past the threshold of 99% of sorcs ward), and pvp players hitting for 14+k Wrecking blows in pvp (which is the average sorcs shields +3k) and the coming Darkflare madness of 22k+ hits in pvp we need a slight adjustment...which is somewhat fair since we're going to be getting dots on our shields and we already have an entire set built to go right past them...
Before the rage machine starts let me say this: sorcs have 1 shield the rest of you don't have access too. and most of you have plenty of other defenses, mitigation techniques, and your *own* form of shields...
But in past metas we got a shield strong enough to repel 1 strong attack, and 2-3 lesser attacks. If we *don't* see an adjustment to our shield values we'll be relegated to our shields taking half of a strong attack, and our pve tanking abilities are being hampered as well by the absolutely *beast mode* hits even the smallest daedra can push out.
This won't hold of sorcs if we don't receive attention like this... instead of one shield most sorcs use now, we'll see alot more shield stacking and resto staves to compensate for this weakness...which would only make fighting sorcs worse (believe me on this plz) in pvp, and more sorc exclusivity in pve because if we're all running resto staves....why do we need a templar?
in other words... not giving a small buff to ward at this point , will make the next patches sorcs adapt...and that adaption won't benefit anyone.
Not going to read this, just wanted to say no to any shield buffs, ever for any class, ever. E.v.e.r.0 -
arcantonias✭✭✭OP, the next time you log into ESO take a look at what magic builds are running on their off-bar. Magplar, Mageblade, DK all run resto staff if they are a halfway decent player, its just common sense. Nothing will be change about that next patch. I play magic builds on all four classes and guess what their pvp and more often then not their pve off bar is a resto staff. At least sorcs get both sets of resistance buffs in their class skill line that literally follow them around and do much more then just buff their resistance. Not only do you have more shield options, you also have more resistances due to other classes having to go out of their own skill lines to try and get these buffs. Magic Sorc has the easiest time in pve, pvp, maelstrom arena, basically all aspects of the game. Dont even get me started on them class skill line passives.Edited by arcantonias on February 23, 2016 9:06AM2 -
jarrandub17_ESO✭✭✭YEAH! Buff Sorc shields and give me an option for Stamina Base shields for my Stam Sorc! RAWR! lol0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I just started playing my Sorc. After reading your post OP, I come to only one question I feel tickled to ask.
Why would I let myself get hit to begin with?
ummm.... because as a magick based sorc you have a 2 dodge roll limit.... and you can't farm IC, dungeons, and expecially pvp (everyone has a pocket templar/stealth/vigor)etc purely defensively with daedric mines, streak, prison, and pets.
I love the templar as pet references ... by all means buff Sorc Shields (no one else's class shields thought right?). Templar's shields are battle spirit nerfed to be to weak for PVP so the class with the most mobility and burst DPS class shields can be made acceptable. I have no sympathy for Sorc shields. Every other class shield is trash so you're should be too.If you need to rely on shields in PVE content something is wrong with your group. There is no mechanic outside of trials that should be one-shotting you as a DPS.
Either your delusional, or wearing heavy armor calling yourself a dps, or have a very wierd niche build where you can apparently take hits from multiple sources for 12k+ and random hits for 18-36k ...
Jeez guys. you'd think I want to give my class god mode. Can ANYONE produce an evidence that sorcs are harder to kill then any other class? ANYONE? Can any of you show me your evidence that we are OP?
here is my actual evidence.
http://i.imgur.com/WBfKq2U.png
Nightblades kill me the most, I kill them the most out of any other class. we're counter classes so this makes alot of sense.
Show me evidence that sorcs are face rolling all of you with triple shield stacks, and one shotting you before you even have a chance to react.
I'm not pushing for more damage output lol... I'm trying to get a slight buff to ward so sorcs arn't forced to play more defensively... which can/will have far reaching results.
According to your "actual evidence" you kill far more then you die. 3/1 kill/deaths verse most classes ... I'd say your own evidence shows your class is OP.
Why should a Templar shield be just as good as a Sorc shield when Templars already have their defense? The damage shields for the other classes supplement their defenses. Hardened Ward is our defenses...just sayin'.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake3 -
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✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I just started playing my Sorc. After reading your post OP, I come to only one question I feel tickled to ask.
Why would I let myself get hit to begin with?
ummm.... because as a magick based sorc you have a 2 dodge roll limit.... and you can't farm IC, dungeons, and expecially pvp (everyone has a pocket templar/stealth/vigor)etc purely defensively with daedric mines, streak, prison, and pets.
I love the templar as pet references ... by all means buff Sorc Shields (no one else's class shields thought right?). Templar's shields are battle spirit nerfed to be to weak for PVP so the class with the most mobility and burst DPS class shields can be made acceptable. I have no sympathy for Sorc shields. Every other class shield is trash so you're should be too.If you need to rely on shields in PVE content something is wrong with your group. There is no mechanic outside of trials that should be one-shotting you as a DPS.
Either your delusional, or wearing heavy armor calling yourself a dps, or have a very wierd niche build where you can apparently take hits from multiple sources for 12k+ and random hits for 18-36k ...
Jeez guys. you'd think I want to give my class god mode. Can ANYONE produce an evidence that sorcs are harder to kill then any other class? ANYONE? Can any of you show me your evidence that we are OP?
here is my actual evidence.
http://i.imgur.com/WBfKq2U.png
Nightblades kill me the most, I kill them the most out of any other class. we're counter classes so this makes alot of sense.
Show me evidence that sorcs are face rolling all of you with triple shield stacks, and one shotting you before you even have a chance to react.
I'm not pushing for more damage output lol... I'm trying to get a slight buff to ward so sorcs arn't forced to play more defensively... which can/will have far reaching results.
According to your "actual evidence" you kill far more then you die. 3/1 kill/deaths verse most classes ... I'd say your own evidence shows your class is OP.
Why should a Templar shield be just as good as a Sorc shield when Templars already have their defense? The damage shields for the other classes supplement their defenses. Hardened Ward is our defenses...just sayin'.
Templar doesn't have any special class defences, especially not after TG goes live with even more nerfs. Use a better class as example if you want to make a point
Only thing defensive skill a templar has left at this point is Rushed Ceremony. Rest is removed or nerfed so harshly no point slotting. But Sorc can use Healing Ward for bursty self heal, being pretty comparable to Rushed Ceremony.
On top of that mag sorc also has a 10k+ Hardened Ward in PvP making you immune to crits(that OP thinks needs buffing), access to cheap and spammable major expedition buff for mobility, a teleport, pet next patch that outheals Rushed Ceremony, Mines to stand in and Defensive Rune to prep proactively.
Yet templars are(according to Wrobel) suppose to stand their ground and soak dmg, that's why they cant do such a fundamental thing as kiting. Meanwhile sorc's, I'm guessing indented to kite and burst as traditional casters, have better tools to stand their ground lol. It makes no sense.
I'm not asking for sorc shield nerf btw. Because there's more classes you have to face in PvP than nerfplars. Mag sorc's really need that shield to withstand NB burst and stamina DKs on live, for example. Against that, they easily get rekt even with the shield. But buffing it would be a little excessive.
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✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I just started playing my Sorc. After reading your post OP, I come to only one question I feel tickled to ask.
Why would I let myself get hit to begin with?
ummm.... because as a magick based sorc you have a 2 dodge roll limit.... and you can't farm IC, dungeons, and expecially pvp (everyone has a pocket templar/stealth/vigor)etc purely defensively with daedric mines, streak, prison, and pets.
I love the templar as pet references ... by all means buff Sorc Shields (no one else's class shields thought right?). Templar's shields are battle spirit nerfed to be to weak for PVP so the class with the most mobility and burst DPS class shields can be made acceptable. I have no sympathy for Sorc shields. Every other class shield is trash so you're should be too.If you need to rely on shields in PVE content something is wrong with your group. There is no mechanic outside of trials that should be one-shotting you as a DPS.
Either your delusional, or wearing heavy armor calling yourself a dps, or have a very wierd niche build where you can apparently take hits from multiple sources for 12k+ and random hits for 18-36k ...
Jeez guys. you'd think I want to give my class god mode. Can ANYONE produce an evidence that sorcs are harder to kill then any other class? ANYONE? Can any of you show me your evidence that we are OP?
here is my actual evidence.
http://i.imgur.com/WBfKq2U.png
Nightblades kill me the most, I kill them the most out of any other class. we're counter classes so this makes alot of sense.
Show me evidence that sorcs are face rolling all of you with triple shield stacks, and one shotting you before you even have a chance to react.
I'm not pushing for more damage output lol... I'm trying to get a slight buff to ward so sorcs arn't forced to play more defensively... which can/will have far reaching results.
According to your "actual evidence" you kill far more then you die. 3/1 kill/deaths verse most classes ... I'd say your own evidence shows your class is OP.
Why should a Templar shield be just as good as a Sorc shield when Templars already have their defense? The damage shields for the other classes supplement their defenses. Hardened Ward is our defenses...just sayin'.
Templar doesn't have any special class defences, especially not after TG goes live with even more nerfs. Use a better class as example if you want to make a point
Only thing defensive skill a templar has left at this point is Rushed Ceremony. Rest is removed or nerfed so harshly no point slotting. But Sorc can use Healing Ward for bursty self heal, being pretty comparable to Rushed Ceremony.
On top of that mag sorc also has a 10k+ Hardened Ward in PvP making you immune to crits(that OP thinks needs buffing), access to cheap and spammable major expedition buff for mobility, a teleport, pet next patch that outheals Rushed Ceremony, Mines to stand in and Defensive Rune to prep proactively.
Yet templars are(according to Wrobel) suppose to stand their ground and soak dmg, that's why they cant do such a fundamental thing as kiting. Meanwhile sorc's, I'm guessing indented to kite and burst as traditional casters, have better tools to stand their ground lol. It makes no sense.
I'm not asking for sorc shield nerf btw. Because there's more classes you have to face in PvP than nerfplars. Mag sorc's really need that shield to withstand NB burst and stamina DKs on live, for example. Against that, they easily get rekt even with the shield. But buffing it would be a little excessive.
Rushed Ceremony is your defense, Blazing Shield is your supplement. You heal all your damage. No, it's not perfect...but at least Rushed Ceremony works in PvP, whereas the pet...needs some work before you can use it there. Regardless, Templars need more defense. I just don't think it should be Hardened Ward like many seem to want. Btw everyone can use Healing Ward.
As I've said before I'm not happy with the state of shields as they are. By itself Hardened Ward isn't strong enough so we're forced to use Harness Magicka to make up for it, yet the fact that it can't receive critical damage holds us back.
Just about the only thing I can suggest to fix shields for everyone is to make shields so that they can receive critical hits (albeit at a reduced value considering that you can't exactly critically hit a wall of magic...maybe if you're a spellcaster or something), yet take away the nerf they received in IC (damage was already reduced before IC, shields weren't so they received a net 30% reduction), and allow things like armor and other forms of resistance to count towards damage reduction.
Maybe not take away the nerf entirely, but *** 30% was far too much to be justified.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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DurzoBlint13✭✭✭✭sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???0 -
Lightninvash✭✭✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I just started playing my Sorc. After reading your post OP, I come to only one question I feel tickled to ask.
Why would I let myself get hit to begin with?
ummm.... because as a magick based sorc you have a 2 dodge roll limit.... and you can't farm IC, dungeons, and expecially pvp (everyone has a pocket templar/stealth/vigor)etc purely defensively with daedric mines, streak, prison, and pets.
Ik this sounds odd but generally dps all use Dw for more spell dmg you can always weave heavy/med attacks in with your rotation to gain back stamina
I mean I know its a bit different but it works I would know I do this regularly 0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake3 -
LizardThixvim✭✭✭1) if you get hit by a 34k hit in dungeon or trials, you didnt block, and you tank sucks.
2) 14k wrecking blow, will be solved with physical resistance champion points.
3) there are champion points to reduce magic damage (dark flare is magic damage) and there is bastion to increase your shield strength
so just change your stuff around,
my sorc i just put more attibutes into hp, and used blessing of restoration on healing staff bar now shield breaker isnt even a problem anymore...0 -
Resipsa131✭✭✭I just wish my Magicka NB had a class based damage shield even one based on Health would be okay.2 -
willymchilybily✭✭✭✭@NativeJoe I am lost with this post and conversation
My sorcerers survivablility in any PvE content far exceeds any other DPS class I can run and get okay numbers with. and i already run a restoration staff in PvE. Sure i could duelwield just to pop off overload spam but its unlikely id increase my DPS.rapid regen from maelstrom staff gives me enough magic regen to drop the jewlery regen glyph for spell damage, which ups all my damage and not just DW overload damage. And this coupled with the spell damage from maelstrom destro is great.so what you describe is how quite a few sorcs already run for PvE
also, I dont know what is hitting you so hard in PvE but it sounds like you or your group is doing something wrong if that is occuring.
i think you are a little Naive, your PvE groups sound terrible and messy and probably why you want more shields. 3 sorcs, so who is helping the tank's stam? Id much rather run with a templar healer because elemental drain for me + shards + repentance for tank. means your tank doesnt have to worry about resources and can round up the mobs for quicker burn, your dps can dps instead of a healing and dps messy hybrid that wastes resources. And for trash mob clearing, stam DW spin to win NB is hard to beat, that's who i'd want with me, and they are much more effective with a templar there.
Edited by willymchilybily on February 23, 2016 5:09PMPSN - WarpPigeon - Guild: TheSyndicate - EU, Ebonheart PactDragon Knight [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Magicka] - 720 - Flawless ConquerorTemplar [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofDragon Knight [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Stamina] - 7200 -
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✭When you look at the increasing damage output in Cyrodiil, and you consider that sorcs are always a split second away from death, you can see why shield spam is required.
The problem is that 90% of players are extremely bad. Their gear is bad, their sustain is bad, they can't CC or burst or otherwise string together a combo of effective abilities. They will never, ever touch a sorcs health. Sure, they can touch any other classes health, but they are no threat whatsoever to them either.
If magisorc is to remain competitive at a high level, and in the upcoming PvP arenas, sorc shields will in fact be buffed.
Believe it.
Edited by Xeven on February 23, 2016 5:32PM0 -
DurzoBlint13✭✭✭✭DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?
The hardest Ward in PvE is still the hardest ward in PvP. Every shield gets cut in half in Cyrodil not just sorc shields, so that comment is totally irrelevant. If a Templar is CC'd they can not heal, while sorcs get their un-critable shield at all time. If a Templar is healing himself he is not doing damage, while sorcs can still hide behind HW and deal damage.
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✭DurzoBlint13 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?
The hardest Ward in PvE is still the hardest ward in PvP. Every shield gets cut in half in Cyrodil not just sorc shields, so that comment is totally irrelevant. If a Templar is CC'd they can not heal, while sorcs get their un-critable shield at all time. If a Templar is healing himself he is not doing damage, while sorcs can still hide behind HW and deal damage.
This guys is part of that 90% I'm talking about.2 -
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✭✭✭willymchilybily wrote: »@NativeJoe I am lost with this post and conversation
My sorcerers survivablility in any PvE content far exceeds any other DPS class I can run and get okay numbers with. and i already run a restoration staff in PvE. Sure i could duelwield just to pop off overload spam but its unlikely id increase my DPS.rapid regen from maelstrom staff gives me enough magic regen to drop the jewlery regen glyph for spell damage, which ups all my damage and not just DW overload damage. And this coupled with the spell damage from maelstrom destro is great.so what you describe is how quite a few sorcs already run for PvE
also, I dont know what is hitting you so hard in PvE but it sounds like you or your group is doing something wrong if that is occuring.
i think you are a little Naive, your PvE groups sound terrible and messy and probably why you want more shields. 3 sorcs, so who is helping the tank's stam? Id much rather run with a templar healer because elemental drain for me + shards + repentance for tank. means your tank doesnt have to worry about resources and can round up the mobs for quicker burn, your dps can dps instead of a healing and dps messy hybrid that wastes resources. And for trash mob clearing, stam DW spin to win NB is hard to beat, that's who i'd want with me, and they are much more effective with a templar there.
I'd really recommend dropping any survival abilities in group content. And yes, dual wield is a HUGE DPS increase. Also don't do anything to increase your regen at all, the only change you should make is to slot drain of the healer can't use it...dual wield is too significant to drop for a resto staff you probably don't need. Tanks can sustain their own stam if they're good,personally I'd prefer a healtank and 3 DPS of any class. Sexiest combo ever, and all I have to change about my build is slotting my own Drain (well worth it, btw). The main issue for PvE Sorcs is sustained DPS, not shields. The issue for PvP Sorcs is shields and how they work and how both sides of the issue want a change that is usually unreasonable.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭✭DurzoBlint13 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?
The hardest Ward in PvE is still the hardest ward in PvP. Every shield gets cut in half in Cyrodil not just sorc shields, so that comment is totally irrelevant. If a Templar is CC'd they can not heal, while sorcs get their un-critable shield at all time. If a Templar is healing himself he is not doing damage, while sorcs can still hide behind HW and deal damage.
If a Sorcerer is spamming Ward, they aren't doing damage correct?
If a Sorcerer is CC'ed, they can't recast shields correct?
In PvE shields are a DPS loss, that's why they're irrelivant regardless of the size. I slot Ward for VERY few fightsValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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✭✭DurzoBlint13 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?
The hardest Ward in PvE is still the hardest ward in PvP. Every shield gets cut in half in Cyrodil not just sorc shields, so that comment is totally irrelevant. If a Templar is CC'd they can not heal, while sorcs get their un-critable shield at all time. If a Templar is healing himself he is not doing damage, while sorcs can still hide behind HW and deal damage.
This guys is part of that 90% I'm talking about.
Lol, no need to bash him. Your laughable posts about templar shields and healing have revealed what class of individuals you belong to. The classic, "I have no freaking clue how any other class works, please buff mine to godlike levels to cover for my lack of skill."4 -
ThatGuyCameron✭✭✭If shields are being buffed I demand Wrecking Blow receives a similar increaseEbonheart EU Xbox One0 -
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✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?
The hardest Ward in PvE is still the hardest ward in PvP. Every shield gets cut in half in Cyrodil not just sorc shields, so that comment is totally irrelevant. If a Templar is CC'd they can not heal, while sorcs get their un-critable shield at all time. If a Templar is healing himself he is not doing damage, while sorcs can still hide behind HW and deal damage.
This guys is part of that 90% I'm talking about.
Lol, no need to bash him. Your laughable posts about templar shields and healing have revealed what class of individuals you belong to. The classic, "I have no freaking clue how any other class works, please buff mine to godlike levels to cover for my lack of skill."
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✭Callous2208 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »sorcs are the hardest class to kill in the game and OP wants to make them stronger? REALLY? If any other class specific shield was half as strong as Harden Ward, there would not be an issue. Sorcs already have one of the best damage mitigation abilities with Lightning Form- same resistances as Immovable but half the cost.
I have seen Hardened Ward go as high as 32,000 in PvE and that is not good enough???
In PvE...where the discussion on shields is almost negligible. Even then that's probably stacked.
As stated multiple times armor is useless when shielded. Plus the other classes all have access to these buffs without Immovable.
Why should other shields even hold a candle to Hardened Ward? They aren't a main defense.
Permablock BoL spamming Templar says hello (regarding hardest to kill comment).
Anything else @DurzoBlint13 or do you just want to spout out more nonsense?
The hardest Ward in PvE is still the hardest ward in PvP. Every shield gets cut in half in Cyrodil not just sorc shields, so that comment is totally irrelevant. If a Templar is CC'd they can not heal, while sorcs get their un-critable shield at all time. If a Templar is healing himself he is not doing damage, while sorcs can still hide behind HW and deal damage.
This guys is part of that 90% I'm talking about.
Lol, no need to bash him. Your laughable posts about templar shields and healing have revealed what class of individuals you belong to. The classic, "I have no freaking clue how any other class works, please buff mine to godlike levels to cover for my lack of skill."
You're confused friend. I've never posted about templar shields or heals, ever. I couldn't care less about either of them.
You're right about the other part. I need buffs to cover my lack of skill.
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