Sorcs need a Shield buff!

MrBM · February 2016

lol Sorc shields are strong enough. They are on par with everything else. If your shields are coming down too quick fix you Max Magic and Champion points. It's all about the build sometimes man. I got plenty of Sorcs in my guild that have very strong shields even in PvP. I don't know but this could be a learn to build or L2P issue to me. My V3 sorc shields are pretty strong. I've faced some really tanky sorcs so they definitely do not need to be stronger. Like I said it's all about the build!

NativeJoe · February 2016

SinKissed wrote: »

I think having a 12k shield in PVP and a 24k shield in PVE is plenty.

In PVP at endgame with NO points in health and all in magicka I still have 25k health (plus the 12k from hardened ward).

Pair that with lightning form and power surge that heals you every time you crit and you shouldn't have a problem. I guess you can even go destro/resto to make it even easier with healing ward if that's not enough for you.

12k shield in pvp. Next patch what will that amount to. analyze that. Thats half of a darkflare attack. Have you not been paying attention to what they are considering as far as shields go? and what has already happened?

lets review:
shields got nerfed by about 30% in IC
-Dots applying to shields
-dot dmg increase via CP
-shields critable now
-shield breaker set
-"shield breaker" CP
-50% reduction to shields in pvp
-talked about shield cast time in last eso live

So if you have a 12 k shield that has a recast time of 1.5 seconds (just enough for a wrecking blow to hit you before you complete it mind you.... and it can be interrupted, and it can be loaded with dots + shield breaker CP+ all the crazy damage buffs people are now going to get via cp that put burst attacks well above our 12k end game pvp threshold... what does it amount to?

I'm not even talking about live right now. im talking 4 weeks from now.

Every sorc is going to see this weakness and compensate for it with shield stacking and a restoration staff. If the new normal is a sorc with a restoration staff what happens to pve dynamics? what happens to pvp dynamics where every sorc has crazy self heals and layered shields?

the game becomes more broken for everyone.

SinKissed · February 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

lets review:
shields got nerfed by about 30% in IC
-Dots applying to shields
-dot dmg increase via CP
-shields critable now
-shield breaker set
-"shield breaker" CP
-50% reduction to shields in pvp
-talked about shield cast time in last eso live

So if you have a 12 k shield that has a recast time of 1.5 seconds (just enough for a wrecking blow to hit you before you complete it mind you.... and it can be interrupted, and it can be loaded with dots + shield breaker CP+ all the crazy damage buffs people are now going to get via cp that put burst attacks well above our 12k end game pvp threshold... what does it amount to?

You said SORC correct? It doesn't matter if there is a cast time or not BOLT ESCAPE, CAST SHIELD if you don't want to get hit by a wrecking blow. Also, you know there is a key that you can press to dodge roll and block right?

NativeJoe · February 2016

MrBM wrote: »

lol Sorc shields are strong enough. They are on par with everything else. If your shields are coming down too quick fix you Max Magic and Champion points. It's all about the build sometimes man. I got plenty of Sorcs in my guild that have very strong shields even in PvP. I don't know but this could be a learn to build or L2P issue to me. My V3 sorc shields are pretty strong. I've faced some really tanky sorcs so they definitely do not need to be stronger. Like I said it's all about the build!

Check out what I just said. On live they're on par right now for pvp. in pve they're a little weak considering the crazy mobs hitting for 12k a piece and shields have zero resistances and take full damage. Subtly we've lost shield strength over the past several patches... and more subtle things are happening to them now on pts. We'll see the same 12k shield. but it's going to smashed and half our hp with it next patch because of all the modifications in pvp and certainly in pve.

And I love how everyone is saying this is a l2p issue...and then they tell me to layer shields.... the very scenerio I'm trying to prevent from becoming the meta. *sigh*

NativeJoe · February 2016

SinKissed wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

lets review:
shields got nerfed by about 30% in IC
-Dots applying to shields
-dot dmg increase via CP
-shields critable now
-shield breaker set
-"shield breaker" CP
-50% reduction to shields in pvp
-talked about shield cast time in last eso live

So if you have a 12 k shield that has a recast time of 1.5 seconds (just enough for a wrecking blow to hit you before you complete it mind you.... and it can be interrupted, and it can be loaded with dots + shield breaker CP+ all the crazy damage buffs people are now going to get via cp that put burst attacks well above our 12k end game pvp threshold... what does it amount to?

You said SORC correct? It doesn't matter if there is a cast time or not BOLT ESCAPE, CAST SHIELD if you don't want to get hit by a wrecking blow. Also, you know there is a key that you can press to dodge roll and block right?

ever heard of crushing shock? how about chains? ever heard of the fact we have 9k stamina... and dodge rolling and blocking leaves us open to a long CC which we will get absolutely murdered in?

Valrien · February 2016

SinKissed wrote: »

I think having a 12k shield in PVP and a 24k shield in PVE is plenty.

In PVP at endgame with NO points in health and all in magicka I still have 25k health (plus the 12k from hardened ward).

Pair that with lightning form and power surge that heals you every time you crit and you shouldn't have a problem. I guess you can even go destro/resto to make it even easier with healing ward if that's not enough for you.

Armor doesn't apply while shielded so Lightning Form is rather pointless except for mobility.

Power Surge suck balls. It's dependent on damage (which is reduced) is dependent on healing (which is doubly reduced) making for a 75% less effective heal in PvP, not to mention that it procs on crits which isn't so good in a meta that stacks impenetrable to mitigate critical damage, reducing the heal further. Ironically it's hard-countered by a damage shield so fighting another Sorcerer renders it nothing more than a spell power buff.

Wily_Wizard · February 2016

Why is a sorc getting hit by a boss in the 1st place?

SinKissed · February 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

ever heard of crushing shock? how about chains? ever heard of the fact we have 9k stamina... and dodge rolling and blocking leaves us open to a long CC which we will get absolutely murdered in?

Just sounds like you need a new build or need to learn to play the game.

RobbaYaga · February 2016

Shields are great as they are. I can DPS or Tank any PvE and I can heal any of the non-elite Vet dungeons. In PvP, if someone is shield stacking, then they are sacrificing slots that could be doing other things, like damage output. If a Sorc ends up spamming shields, they're not doing damage, they're just staying alive, which does not win a fight usually. My main toon is a magicka Sorc and I have far less trouble killing another Sorc than a DK. CCs make me hate life. Good opponents with strong physical damage output make me hate life. And both of those are because magicaka Sorcs are not supposed to be "in your face" combatants. I'd argue our shields are good as they are. No nerf. No boost.

My defensive bar is Defensive Rune (to stop macro users, gankers and WB spam), Defensive Stance (mostly to re-reflect my own Frags after DKs reflect them) and Ward. I tried shield stacking and got killed more often by good physical attackers. With the new change to Mage Light coming, I'll drop Thundering Presence on there for the Major Ward buff, giving me even more resistance and movement.

Leave well enough alone.

NativeJoe · February 2016

Wily_Wizard wrote: »

Why is a sorc getting hit by a boss in the 1st place?

Because not everyone has access to a super tank? and a tank usually only focuses on 1 thing... the boss...and if a second boss spawns/ adds come it is our job to deal with all of them???? and on pulls a tank usually doesn't even try taunting anything.... and tanks have a seriously bad habit of never looking at their own builds because "they maintained agro" so therefor anything that happens to them at all is someone elses fault.

FriedEggSandwich · February 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

With the recent developments in pvp and pve, I believe us sorcs need a *slight*adjustment in our shields. with bosses hitting for 34k (past the threshold of 99% of sorcs ward), and pvp players hitting for 14+k Wrecking blows in pvp (which is the average sorcs shields +3k) and the coming Darkflare madness of 22k+ hits in pvp we need a slight adjustment...which is somewhat fair since we're going to be getting dots on our shields and we already have an entire set built to go right past them...

Before the rage machine starts let me say this: sorcs have 1 shield the rest of you don't have access too. and most of you have plenty of other defenses, mitigation techniques, and your *own* form of shields...

But in past metas we got a shield strong enough to repel 1 strong attack, and 2-3 lesser attacks. If we *don't* see an adjustment to our shield values we'll be relegated to our shields taking half of a strong attack, and our pve tanking abilities are being hampered as well by the absolutely *beast mode* hits even the smallest daedra can push out.

This won't hold of sorcs if we don't receive attention like this... instead of one shield most sorcs use now, we'll see alot more shield stacking and resto staves to compensate for this weakness...which would only make fighting sorcs worse (believe me on this plz) in pvp, and more sorc exclusivity in pve because if we're all running resto staves....why do we need a templar?

in other words... not giving a small buff to ward at this point , will make the next patches sorcs adapt...and that adaption won't benefit anyone.

I'm just gonna reply to the bit in bold.

24k pve ward + 18k pve hp = 42k.
42k > 34k
Therefore one-shots not possible.

14k wb is a crit. Wards can't be crit. WB would never hit your ward for 14k. I don't actually believe any skill can do more than 10k base (non-crit) damage in cyro. Therefore 10k ward can't be one-shot. Even if I'm wrong you have hp underneath. Ward broken does not equal player dead.

Wards are insta-cast and can be spammed. With all this in mind what was your justification for wanting stronger shields? Put cp into Elemental Defender, Hardy and Thick Skinned as these reduce the amount of damage your wards take, from respective damage types, by upto 25%. There is your shield buff.

MrBM · February 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

MrBM wrote: »

lol Sorc shields are strong enough. They are on par with everything else. If your shields are coming down too quick fix you Max Magic and Champion points. It's all about the build sometimes man. I got plenty of Sorcs in my guild that have very strong shields even in PvP. I don't know but this could be a learn to build or L2P issue to me. My V3 sorc shields are pretty strong. I've faced some really tanky sorcs so they definitely do not need to be stronger. Like I said it's all about the build!

Check out what I just said. On live they're on par right now for pvp. in pve they're a little weak considering the crazy mobs hitting for 12k a piece and shields have zero resistances and take full damage. Subtly we've lost shield strength over the past several patches... and more subtle things are happening to them now on pts. We'll see the same 12k shield. but it's going to smashed and half our hp with it next patch because of all the modifications in pvp and certainly in pve.

And I love how everyone is saying this is a l2p issue...and then they tell me to layer shields.... the very scenerio I'm trying to prevent from becoming the meta. *sigh*

Hey man you are complaining about PvE killing your shields lol More Sorcs on Xbox NA have completed Maelstrom Arena then any other class hands down and the weekly is solid enough that you need at least a 370k score just to maybe get in at 100. NB come in second but no where near close to Sorc. Hardened ward is really good. Do you expect to just sit there and tank all that damage or not have to ward up??? Sounds like you want easy street to me. Sorc shields once again do not need to be buffed. Your build must not be good enough or you need to work at your rotation and awareness a bit.

NativeJoe · February 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

With the recent developments in pvp and pve, I believe us sorcs need a *slight*adjustment in our shields. with bosses hitting for 34k (past the threshold of 99% of sorcs ward), and pvp players hitting for 14+k Wrecking blows in pvp (which is the average sorcs shields +3k) and the coming Darkflare madness of 22k+ hits in pvp we need a slight adjustment...which is somewhat fair since we're going to be getting dots on our shields and we already have an entire set built to go right past them...

Before the rage machine starts let me say this: sorcs have 1 shield the rest of you don't have access too. and most of you have plenty of other defenses, mitigation techniques, and your *own* form of shields...

But in past metas we got a shield strong enough to repel 1 strong attack, and 2-3 lesser attacks. If we *don't* see an adjustment to our shield values we'll be relegated to our shields taking half of a strong attack, and our pve tanking abilities are being hampered as well by the absolutely *beast mode* hits even the smallest daedra can push out.

This won't hold of sorcs if we don't receive attention like this... instead of one shield most sorcs use now, we'll see alot more shield stacking and resto staves to compensate for this weakness...which would only make fighting sorcs worse (believe me on this plz) in pvp, and more sorc exclusivity in pve because if we're all running resto staves....why do we need a templar?

in other words... not giving a small buff to ward at this point , will make the next patches sorcs adapt...and that adaption won't benefit anyone.

I'm just gonna reply to the bit in bold.

24k pve ward + 18k pve hp = 42k.
42k > 34k
Therefore one-shots not possible.

14k wb is a crit. Wards can't be crit. WB would never hit your ward for 14k. I don't actually believe any skill can do more than 10k base (non-crit) damage in cyro. Therefore 10k ward can't be one-shot.

Wards are insta-cast and can be spammed. With all this in mind what was your justification for wanting stronger shields? Put cp into Elemental Defender, Hardy and Thick Skinned as these reduce the amount of damage your wards take, from respective damage types, by upto 25%. There is your shield buff.

shields don't get resistances. So there is no shield buff....

Wards can't be crit right now... but they are changing that.
Wards can certaintly be one shotted right now. excluding even people stacking arrows in flight, macro style bursts combos, and there have been plenty of times I've been knocked on my back by a wrecking blow and have some of my hp missing.

They need a small buff so they can go 1 strong attack for 1 ward. maintaining the historical balance. thats all im asking for. nothing more, nothing less.

NativeJoe · February 2016

MrBM wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

MrBM wrote: »

lol Sorc shields are strong enough. They are on par with everything else. If your shields are coming down too quick fix you Max Magic and Champion points. It's all about the build sometimes man. I got plenty of Sorcs in my guild that have very strong shields even in PvP. I don't know but this could be a learn to build or L2P issue to me. My V3 sorc shields are pretty strong. I've faced some really tanky sorcs so they definitely do not need to be stronger. Like I said it's all about the build!

Check out what I just said. On live they're on par right now for pvp. in pve they're a little weak considering the crazy mobs hitting for 12k a piece and shields have zero resistances and take full damage. Subtly we've lost shield strength over the past several patches... and more subtle things are happening to them now on pts. We'll see the same 12k shield. but it's going to smashed and half our hp with it next patch because of all the modifications in pvp and certainly in pve.

And I love how everyone is saying this is a l2p issue...and then they tell me to layer shields.... the very scenerio I'm trying to prevent from becoming the meta. *sigh*

Hey man you are complaining about PvE killing your shields lol More Sorcs on Xbox NA have completed Maelstrom Arena then any other class hands down and the weekly is solid enough that you need at least a 370k score just to maybe get in at 100. NB come in second but no where near close to Sorc. Hardened ward is really good. Do you expect to just sit there and tank all that damage or not have to ward up??? Sounds like you want easy street to me. Sorc shields once again do not need to be buffed. Your build must not be good enough or you need to work at your rotation and awareness a bit.

I linked my build and kill counter sheet in previous posts. if you wanna say l2p or anything like that, reference something specific. And im not saying you guys shouldn't be brought up to par as well. You guys should have *Something*, I don't know what *that thing is* because I can only speak from the sorc perspective.

And again... in the current situation... they are good in pvp, and okay in pve. to get past maelstrom sorcs shield stack with a restoration staff most of the time. a meta I despise...and something the changes on the pts will inevitably push sorcs towards.

my build:
http://i.imgur.com/SOYujNz.png
http://i.imgur.com/Umb5LI0.png
http://i.imgur.com/EMMDvf8.png
http://i.imgur.com/S2tFbq1.png
http://i.imgur.com/WBfKq2U.png
I use shadow stone, and run 3 willpower, 2 torugs, 2 molag kena, 5 julionos, 5-1-1 (5 light, 1 heavy, 1 medium)
Have 432 champion points, 302 skill points, 75 days /played, and have been playing sorc exclusively for a year, also with no AP exploits and just basic combat in pvp am rank 16.

NativeJoe · February 2016

RobbaYaga wrote: »

Shields are great as they are. I can DPS or Tank any PvE and I can heal any of the non-elite Vet dungeons. In PvP, if someone is shield stacking, then they are sacrificing slots that could be doing other things, like damage output. If a Sorc ends up spamming shields, they're not doing damage, they're just staying alive, which does not win a fight usually. My main toon is a magicka Sorc and I have far less trouble killing another Sorc than a DK. CCs make me hate life. Good opponents with strong physical damage output make me hate life. And both of those are because magicaka Sorcs are not supposed to be "in your face" combatants. I'd argue our shields are good as they are. No nerf. No boost.

My defensive bar is Defensive Rune (to stop macro users, gankers and WB spam), Defensive Stance (mostly to re-reflect my own Frags after DKs reflect them) and Ward. I tried shield stacking and got killed more often by good physical attackers. With the new change to Mage Light coming, I'll drop Thundering Presence on there for the Major Ward buff, giving me even more resistance and movement.

Leave well enough alone.

Well they're talking Nerf. So come along to this side of the fence.

Valrien · February 2016

Btw, a couple of points I feel I should make regarding Sorcerers:
1. If Sorcs deserve a buff, it should be more towards sustained DPS than shields. While I'm not happy about the state of damage shields in relation to Sorcerers, we still have the worst sustained DPS in ESO.
2. Shields are fine in PvE. While strong for soloing things like vMA, it's utterly useless in MOST PvE content as its nothing more than a DPS loss (like we need to lose more DPS) and your healer should keep you up fine.
3. Overload is unreliable. If ZOS really wants to make us a class reliant on Overload to do DPS, it shouldn't lock you out of your skills and light attacks of you attack too quickly. It's a broken skill and is probably the second longest broken skill in ESO behind Toppling Charge.
4. Lack of both a single target and AoE spam able ability...something every class has access to both of.

While the original thread was about shields, discussions should be opened to rework the class as a whole as the class could use some MAJOR adjustments...and last time I tried to make my own thread I just got trolled for it.

FriedEggSandwich · February 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

With the recent developments in pvp and pve, I believe us sorcs need a *slight*adjustment in our shields. with bosses hitting for 34k (past the threshold of 99% of sorcs ward), and pvp players hitting for 14+k Wrecking blows in pvp (which is the average sorcs shields +3k) and the coming Darkflare madness of 22k+ hits in pvp we need a slight adjustment...which is somewhat fair since we're going to be getting dots on our shields and we already have an entire set built to go right past them...

Before the rage machine starts let me say this: sorcs have 1 shield the rest of you don't have access too. and most of you have plenty of other defenses, mitigation techniques, and your *own* form of shields...

But in past metas we got a shield strong enough to repel 1 strong attack, and 2-3 lesser attacks. If we *don't* see an adjustment to our shield values we'll be relegated to our shields taking half of a strong attack, and our pve tanking abilities are being hampered as well by the absolutely *beast mode* hits even the smallest daedra can push out.

This won't hold of sorcs if we don't receive attention like this... instead of one shield most sorcs use now, we'll see alot more shield stacking and resto staves to compensate for this weakness...which would only make fighting sorcs worse (believe me on this plz) in pvp, and more sorc exclusivity in pve because if we're all running resto staves....why do we need a templar?

in other words... not giving a small buff to ward at this point , will make the next patches sorcs adapt...and that adaption won't benefit anyone.

I'm just gonna reply to the bit in bold.

24k pve ward + 18k pve hp = 42k.
42k > 34k
Therefore one-shots not possible.

14k wb is a crit. Wards can't be crit. WB would never hit your ward for 14k. I don't actually believe any skill can do more than 10k base (non-crit) damage in cyro. Therefore 10k ward can't be one-shot.

Wards are insta-cast and can be spammed. With all this in mind what was your justification for wanting stronger shields? Put cp into Elemental Defender, Hardy and Thick Skinned as these reduce the amount of damage your wards take, from respective damage types, by upto 25%. There is your shield buff.

shields don't get resistances. So there is no shield buff....

Wards can't be crit right now... but they are changing that.
Wards can certaintly be one shotted right now. excluding even people stacking arrows in flight, macro style bursts combos, and there have been plenty of times I've been knocked on my back by a wrecking blow and have some of my hp missing.

They need a small buff so they can go 1 strong attack for 1 ward. maintaining the historical balance. thats all im asking for. nothing more, nothing less.

You're wrong go test it. And if you didn't know this then you won't have any cp in those trees, which is making you weaker than most sorcs, which is probably why you think you need a buff. Go buff yourself up with red cp. If you don't spend any in hardy in the next patch you are seriously gimping yourself.

Valrien · February 2016

Actually CP resistance does apply, just nothing else. It's very odd.

FriedEggSandwich · February 2016

Valrien wrote: »

Actually CP resistance does apply, just nothing else. It's very odd.

Not that odd when you consider that cp spent in Elemental Expert, Mighty, Thaumaturge etc. all increase the damage players do to shields.

MrBM · February 2016

Valrien wrote: »

Btw, a couple of points I feel I should make regarding Sorcerers:
1. If Sorcs deserve a buff, it should be more towards sustained DPS than shields. While I'm not happy about the state of damage shields in relation to Sorcerers, we still have the worst sustained DPS in ESO.
2. Shields are fine in PvE. While strong for soloing things like vMA, it's utterly useless in MOST PvE content as its nothing more than a DPS loss (like we need to lose more DPS) and your healer should keep you up fine.
3. Overload is unreliable. If ZOS really wants to make us a class reliant on Overload to do DPS, it shouldn't lock you out of your skills and light attacks of you attack too quickly. It's a broken skill and is probably the second longest broken skill in ESO behind Toppling Charge.
4. Lack of both a single target and AoE spam able ability...something every class has access to both of.

While the original thread was about shields, discussions should be opened to rework the class as a whole as the class could use some MAJOR adjustments...and last time I tried to make my own thread I just got trolled for it.

You sir are absolutely correct. This is the reason I have not got my Sorc to V16 yet. It's the worst class to grind or level. You have somethings yes but they really aren't that great for leveling at all. But I never have problems with staying alive because of my shield though. If I die it's because I didn't ward up like I am supposed to or stood in red.

NativeJoe · February 2016

Valrien wrote: »

Actually CP resistance does apply, just nothing else. It's very odd.

really? well thats news to me.. I've always been told repeatedly that it doesn't. well I know what im going to go do now lol.

FriedEggSandwich · February 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Actually CP resistance does apply, just nothing else. It's very odd.

really? well thats news to me.. I've always been told repeatedly that it doesn't. well I know what im going to go do now lol.

Why did you believe him and not me? lol I even replied to you in that other thread where you questioned me. You asked me if I even played a sorc lol.

/facepalm

Lokey0024 · February 2016

This post gave me eye herpies.

americansteel · February 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

With the recent developments in pvp and pve, I believe us sorcs need a *slight*adjustment in our shields. with bosses hitting for 34k (past the threshold of 99% of sorcs ward), and pvp players hitting for 14+k Wrecking blows in pvp (which is the average sorcs shields +3k) and the coming Darkflare madness of 22k+ hits in pvp we need a slight adjustment...which is somewhat fair since we're going to be getting dots on our shields and we already have an entire set built to go right past them...

Before the rage machine starts let me say this: sorcs have 1 shield the rest of you don't have access too. and most of you have plenty of other defenses, mitigation techniques, and your *own* form of shields...

But in past metas we got a shield strong enough to repel 1 strong attack, and 2-3 lesser attacks. If we *don't* see an adjustment to our shield values we'll be relegated to our shields taking half of a strong attack, and our pve tanking abilities are being hampered as well by the absolutely *beast mode* hits even the smallest daedra can push out.

This won't hold of sorcs if we don't receive attention like this... instead of one shield most sorcs use now, we'll see alot more shield stacking and resto staves to compensate for this weakness...which would only make fighting sorcs worse (believe me on this plz) in pvp, and more sorc exclusivity in pve because if we're all running resto staves....why do we need a templar?

in other words... not giving a small buff to ward at this point , will make the next patches sorcs adapt...and that adaption won't benefit anyone.

NOPE
sorc and CP already throws PvP into a greater depth of imbalance than what it already is.
Sorcs seem to be more tanky with light armor vs a DK Tank. No shield buffing.

MrBM · February 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Actually CP resistance does apply, just nothing else. It's very odd.

really? well thats news to me.. I've always been told repeatedly that it doesn't. well I know what im going to go do now lol.

How many points do you have into bastion? Most my sorcs have 100 if not 100 close to it!

FriedEggSandwich · February 2016

MrBM wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Actually CP resistance does apply, just nothing else. It's very odd.

really? well thats news to me.. I've always been told repeatedly that it doesn't. well I know what im going to go do now lol.

How many points do you have into bastion? Most my sorcs have 100 if not 100 close to it!

You don't need 100cp in bastion. 77cp -100cp amounts to 5%, with only 501 cp you're better off spending the extra 23cp somewhere they will make more difference.

Valrien · February 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

MrBM wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Actually CP resistance does apply, just nothing else. It's very odd.

really? well thats news to me.. I've always been told repeatedly that it doesn't. well I know what im going to go do now lol.

How many points do you have into bastion? Most my sorcs have 100 if not 100 close to it!

You don't need 100cp in bastion. 77cp -100cp amounts to 5%, with only 501 cp you're better off spending the extra 23cp somewhere they will make more difference.

Never thought of that, only mindlessly stacked bastion. Good tip @FriedEggSandwich!

MrBM · February 2016

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

MrBM wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Actually CP resistance does apply, just nothing else. It's very odd.

really? well thats news to me.. I've always been told repeatedly that it doesn't. well I know what im going to go do now lol.

How many points do you have into bastion? Most my sorcs have 100 if not 100 close to it!

You don't need 100cp in bastion. 77cp -100cp amounts to 5%, with only 501 cp you're better off spending the extra 23cp somewhere they will make more difference.

Your right and wrong there it depends on how it feels to you. I tried this same thing with thaumaturge and I could feel my damage got lower even though I know what you said is only a little but it makes a big difference. plus if your at cap 167 that leave 67 points for other things which is plenty in the RED side.

Ra'Shtar · February 2016

What are you talking about OP shields can't be crit dark flare is only strong if it crits and you could always interrupt the templar by casting crushing shock so please don't make this kind of post its ridiculous.

FriedEggSandwich · February 2016

Valrien wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

MrBM wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Actually CP resistance does apply, just nothing else. It's very odd.

really? well thats news to me.. I've always been told repeatedly that it doesn't. well I know what im going to go do now lol.

How many points do you have into bastion? Most my sorcs have 100 if not 100 close to it!

You don't need 100cp in bastion. 77cp -100cp amounts to 5%, with only 501 cp you're better off spending the extra 23cp somewhere they will make more difference.

Never thought of that, only mindlessly stacked bastion. Good tip @FriedEggSandwich!

Thanks, and apologies for the "why did you believe him" bit in my earlier comment, firstly for assuming you were a guy, but also for making it sound like you weren't believable. I didn't mean it like that was just frustrated because the op refused to believe me in another thread.

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Actually CP resistance does apply, just nothing else. It's very odd.

really? well thats news to me.. I've always been told repeatedly that it doesn't. well I know what im going to go do now lol.

How many points do you have into bastion? Most my sorcs have 100 if not 100 close to it!

You don't need 100cp in bastion. 77cp -100cp amounts to 5%, with only 501 cp you're better off spending the extra 23cp somewhere they will make more difference.

Your right and wrong there it depends on how it feels to you. I tried this same thing with thaumaturge and I could feel my damage got lower even though I know what you said is only a little but it makes a big difference. plus if your at cap 167 that leave 67 points for other things which is plenty in the RED side.

I'm sorry if I sound like a stuck record now but hardy, elemental defender and thick skinned are valuable alternatives to bastion for red cp. Especially so in the upcoming patch. I would even argue that resistant and block expertise were worth spending cp in but I understand why people might disagree.

Edit: This will depend on how much magicka you have, but for me 5% of my hardened ward pvp strength is about 400 shield value. So 23cp for 400 more shield, unless my maths is wrong.