Here are some issues I have found so far:

• When I am member of 5 guilds and leave one and then try to create a new guild I get a message "You can't join another guild without leaving one first". Joining an existing guild works. Reloading the UI and relogging both don't help.
• When I reload the UI the loading screen sometimes does not disappear until I move the mouse.
• Pharbadan the banker in the Bank of Abah's Landing is randomly loosing his shirt (or at least part of it). It just pops in and out. Couldn't reproduce it after regenerating the shader cache.
• The soul shriven mail states that I get 1 Azure Plasm for every dolmen I destroyed. I only got 17 even though I destroyed more than 300 during my travels.
• Soul shriven belts look identical to breton style belts (icon and ingame).
• NB Surprise attack is missing its impact sound (only the swing is audible).
• Wake Walker Archers in Shark's Teeth Grotto have a 100% chance to dodge any first attack made from stealth (not sure if this is intended)
• The bosses in the new delves in Hew's Bane are too easy to defeat alone (no difference to normal mobs).

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Sounomi wrote: »

BdCHighVoltage wrote: »

Increased the amount of AP required to rank up this skill line by approximately 80% compared to current PTS values.


wait... what?

Yeah, they made them a bit less of a joke now, though still a joke.

Disclaimer, I'm no where near maxing out the Alliance lines on live and I still feel they made them too easy

It's in a good spot atm, was before the increase too, in line with all PvE skill lines. The exp required on live is just ridiculous.

It would take me way longer to max out Undaunted or Legerdemain (the only actual PvE skill lines so far) than Assault and Support.

Undaunted is easy, on a new char you can just get the dungeon achievements with a halfdecent group and get a ton of exp towards undaunted. Meanwhile on live you'll have to grind for months to max out the alliance skills unless you're in an elite PvP guild.

Legerdemain takes maybe an hour a day to max out the selling to a fence limit, it took me a week or so to max legerdemain by myself, I can't do that with alliance war skill lines.

Not sure what you're trying to say. It would take me longer to max out Undaunted or Legerdemain on Live than Assault or Support. If they want to make the PvP skill lines more accessible (that's what Rich Lambert said) then why not the PvE ones?

Destruent wrote: »

purge -->cloak....problem solved

And purge works to counter magelight? My understanding is that magelight prevents you from casting cloak, not applies a debuff. Purge won't work unless it's a debuff. I haven't tested this, so let me know. It seems to me that you can purge all day but until the skill becomes unlocked again, you're visible.

Prabooo wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?

That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

I read somewhere in the forums that there are 40+ skills in the game that get you out of cloak, not counting the pots.

I wonder what is ESO's canon for "balance"? The player base would be very grateful to know about this, because many of the changes seem to be announced in a veil of mistery that is toxic to the game community.

And besides, instead of rendering a skill useless you should redefine it or get rid of it at once instead of turning the whole Shadow abilities into waste. None of the passives are of benefit if the stealth/invisibility nerfs make it to the Live server.

I just want to see an adjustment that actually constitutes "balance" in this update before it actually hits live. There have been (and will continue to be) plenty of counters to cloak even after the changes to magelight and flare.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?

That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

I don't personally have a problem with the changes to magelight/flare if they change the "skill lock" component - this should be something that allows the caster to still see a cloaked NB, not prevent the NB from casting the skill altogether.

If invis is such a difficult thing for ZOS to maintain in ESO, then why not just change cloak to not render invisibility at all? It wouldn't be that difficult to make it function the same way as lightning form or razor armor, and just change the passive to something more useful. It's illogical to have the passive tied to activating an ability to begin with, but with all of the constant crying from people who refuse to learn to counter it, the skill is going to continue to get hammered with nerfs.

NBs are completely viable and effective in both stamina and magicka builds without the use of cloak as it is. Those builds simply require more skill, awareness, and practice to be used effectively. I currently run one of these builds, and it's not that difficult to survive without cloak. The problem I have is that, with a limitation of 12 skills in total that we are allowed to access, one of them has been forced into an uncastable state.

No other class is limited by this type of restriction; There is no skill that prevents the casting of Ward, no skill that prevents the casting of BoL, no skill that prevents the casting of Reflective Scales. Take a look at shieldbreaker: Even this set, which is suited only for specific builds (not available to everyone and their dog like magelight) makes shields less effective, and only less effective with respect to the individual wearing the gear. It does not prevent the casting of Ward. Can you imagine the rage we'd have seen if this was the case? And people think that NBs are overreacting to this change, but most of those people fail to realize that skill locking is not balance. There are options for a middle-ground that will suit those who are tired of the cloak abuse that don't force the skill into an uncastable state for everyone who plays the class.

Plys remove new animation prioritisation.
Read your own offical feedback thread - Its inconsistent, allows for hiding of channeled abilities players are supposed to react to, ect. - In short it will break more stuff you will eventually have to fix!
So why push forward with it? Plys ZOS, listen to the feedback and act on it..

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@ZOS_GinaBruno isn't tis very anti/racist on NB... the only NB escape or defend class ability... Do you ZOS really so HATE NB?

Welcome to the club . they also hate Templar

Destruent wrote: »

purge -->cloak....problem solved

Does that work with both magelight and mark? I know it used to work with Mark. Is that changed now?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

How are you guys not getting the problem with Fassla set?

Its a bloody copy of Duroks bane..a balanced set..and yet you're still managing to make it overpowered

It doesn't matter what the Duration is...if it applies 100% of the time its going to be overpowered...Keep the duration at 5 seconds..Slap a 20% chance on it just like Duroks bane..Done..you've made it balanced.

The issue with Duroks bane in the past was it didn't come in Impen for PvP and it had weird armor slots so it didn't allow Monster Sets to be used.

Even then..It was extremely nasty.

itscompton wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Prabooo wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?

That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

I read somewhere in the forums that there are 40+ skills in the game that get you out of cloak, not counting the pots.

I wonder what is ESO's canon for "balance"? The player base would be very grateful to know about this, because many of the changes seem to be announced in a veil of mistery that is toxic to the game community.

And besides, instead of rendering a skill useless you should redefine it or get rid of it at once instead of turning the whole Shadow abilities into waste. None of the passives are of benefit if the stealth/invisibility nerfs make it to the Live server.

I just want to see an adjustment that actually constitutes "balance" in this update before it actually hits live. There have been (and will continue to be) plenty of counters to cloak even after the changes to magelight and flare.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?

That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

I don't personally have a problem with the changes to magelight/flare if they change the "skill lock" component - this should be something that allows the caster to still see a cloaked NB, not prevent the NB from casting the skill altogether.

If invis is such a difficult thing for ZOS to maintain in ESO, then why not just change cloak to not render invisibility at all? It wouldn't be that difficult to make it function the same way as lightning form or razor armor, and just change the passive to something more useful. It's illogical to have the passive tied to activating an ability to begin with, but with all of the constant crying from people who refuse to learn to counter it, the skill is going to continue to get hammered with nerfs.

NBs are completely viable and effective in both stamina and magicka builds without the use of cloak as it is. Those builds simply require more skill, awareness, and practice to be used effectively. I currently run one of these builds, and it's not that difficult to survive without cloak. The problem I have is that, with a limitation of 12 skills in total that we are allowed to access, one of them has been forced into an uncastable state.

No other class is limited by this type of restriction; There is no skill that prevents the casting of Ward, no skill that prevents the casting of BoL, no skill that prevents the casting of Reflective Scales. Take a look at shieldbreaker: Even this set, which is suited only for specific builds (not available to everyone and their dog like magelight) makes shields less effective, and only less effective with respect to the individual wearing the gear. It does not prevent the casting of Ward. Can you imagine the rage we'd have seen if this was the case? And people think that NBs are overreacting to this change, but most of those people fail to realize that skill locking is not balance. There are options for a middle-ground that will suit those who are tired of the cloak abuse that don't force the skill into an uncastable state for everyone who plays the class.

Well, technically BE got something preventing it to be spammed too much in case of a cost increase every time it's used within four seconds of each other. Yes, it might not be completely unusable but it still prevents fequent spamming of it, and it got a ton of easy to access counters in the form of gap closers and it's sorcs escape skill.

Lol, do you play in Cyrodiil? The increased cost does nothing to stop a Mag Sorc from using it as often as they want. Most of them have such high max magica pools and recovery rates they could BE from one end of the map to the other without running out of magica.

And you could just keep gap closing the sorc to the other end of the map too, right? So then what's the problem?

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Prabooo wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?

That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

I read somewhere in the forums that there are 40+ skills in the game that get you out of cloak, not counting the pots.

I wonder what is ESO's canon for "balance"? The player base would be very grateful to know about this, because many of the changes seem to be announced in a veil of mistery that is toxic to the game community.

And besides, instead of rendering a skill useless you should redefine it or get rid of it at once instead of turning the whole Shadow abilities into waste. None of the passives are of benefit if the stealth/invisibility nerfs make it to the Live server.

I just want to see an adjustment that actually constitutes "balance" in this update before it actually hits live. There have been (and will continue to be) plenty of counters to cloak even after the changes to magelight and flare.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?

That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

I don't personally have a problem with the changes to magelight/flare if they change the "skill lock" component - this should be something that allows the caster to still see a cloaked NB, not prevent the NB from casting the skill altogether.

If invis is such a difficult thing for ZOS to maintain in ESO, then why not just change cloak to not render invisibility at all? It wouldn't be that difficult to make it function the same way as lightning form or razor armor, and just change the passive to something more useful. It's illogical to have the passive tied to activating an ability to begin with, but with all of the constant crying from people who refuse to learn to counter it, the skill is going to continue to get hammered with nerfs.

NBs are completely viable and effective in both stamina and magicka builds without the use of cloak as it is. Those builds simply require more skill, awareness, and practice to be used effectively. I currently run one of these builds, and it's not that difficult to survive without cloak. The problem I have is that, with a limitation of 12 skills in total that we are allowed to access, one of them has been forced into an uncastable state.

No other class is limited by this type of restriction; There is no skill that prevents the casting of Ward, no skill that prevents the casting of BoL, no skill that prevents the casting of Reflective Scales. Take a look at shieldbreaker: Even this set, which is suited only for specific builds (not available to everyone and their dog like magelight) makes shields less effective, and only less effective with respect to the individual wearing the gear. It does not prevent the casting of Ward. Can you imagine the rage we'd have seen if this was the case? And people think that NBs are overreacting to this change, but most of those people fail to realize that skill locking is not balance. There are options for a middle-ground that will suit those who are tired of the cloak abuse that don't force the skill into an uncastable state for everyone who plays the class.

Well, technically BE got something preventing it to be spammed too much in case of a cost increase every time it's used within four seconds of each other. Yes, it might not be completely unusable but it still prevents fequent spamming of it, and it got a ton of easy to access counters in the form of gap closers and it's sorcs escape skill.

That is very true. Imho, had they done the same thing with cloak it wouldn't be as bad as the current changes intended to hit live. By adding in a BE Fatigue debuff, it simply reduces the net marginal benefit with each subsequent cast. However, any passives that can proc from the use of BE (e.g. crystal frags) are still present and accessible.

The difference we have with the intended changes to cloak is that, no matter the situation, a NB that is affected by magelight or flare cannot access the benefits of shadow passives. Granted, there are other ways to gain access, as we are just speaking of one skill after all. But if that NB should choose to use cloak after a magelight/flare is used, it's usefulness should be diminished - that is, the invisibility portion of it should be effectively rendered useless. Having access to Major Ward and Resolve should still be allowed, except the invisibility portion - which is the portion everyone hates - would be ineffective for the duration of magelight/flare.

For me, and keep in mind I speak only for myself, it seems to me that skill locking a class is a step towards imbalance. Many who have read my posts on this issue have seen it in only a single perspective; That is, they see me as "every other noob cloak spamming NB that deserves a nerf." Herein lies one of the main issues that resulted in this imbalance: not every NB plays the same way, and not every NB utilizes cloak spamming as a sole and primary means to achieve kills in Cyrodiil.

I consider myself as someone who, despite playing a NB primarily, has in-depth knowledge and hundreds of hours of experience both inside and outside of the class. When I put the changes to cloak next to changes for any other skill in this game's history so far, I have never seen one that so deliberately punishes a player for utilizing a skill placed into the game. I also note that, despite not having mentioned it here yet (at least I don't think I have), I have defended the rebalancing of cloak for some time. Even prior to the PTS notes which detailed these nerfs, I was helping other players to counter cloak with those skills and consumables already present in the game.

What I'm getting at is that my ranting is not an attempt to bolster my own effectiveness or to keep "my favorite class" at the top with unbalanced and unfair tactics. What I am hoping to achieve is simply to rebalance the classes so that these tactics which make the game less enjoyable for other classes don't inevitably break the skill/passives in question. To me it seems fair that every class has access to Major Ward and Resolve, but does it still seem fair if the class on the whole is effectively unable to access those passives, simply because we could not (or would not) consider a better alternative? Sure, there are other skills which can be used to access the passives, but NBs are unique in that they must be actively doing something to receive those benefits.

Any other class can simply stand there and cast their rune focus, razor armor, or lightning form and achieve the same thing without consequence. There is an inherent risk for NBs to gaining access to the same buffs in that NBs are required to be actively attacking or defending to utilize them. I don't see anything wrong with this by design, so long as NBs can actually use their skills. The second we start preventing people from casting altogether, we are no longer striving for class balance; rather, we are furthering imbalance by not accounting for every factor in the equation.

Welp. It may be there hasn't been enough time to code in something significant, but if this is all we can expect for Templar... I have lost hope.

The problem is not cloak. It's players being lazy. A cloaked nb is the easiest thing to deal with in pvp. A skill shouldn't be merged into the ground and a class become neutered because countless dummies are too lazy to slot one aoe. Or use detection in their pots. Or use magelight. I like the new magelight ideas but it' went way too far

BdCHighVoltage wrote: »

Increased the amount of AP required to rank up this skill line by approximately 80% compared to current PTS values.


wait... what?

yes I agree. while I understand making the passives take longer to get. if your going to do anything make the skills easier to get and the passives harder. as it sits you really need to spec magica on all your toons until you get high enuff to get rally to be able to even grind or kill things in pve and at lvl 10 its hard to get that much ap

Xeniph wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?

That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

So you are saying that Magelight and Piercing Mark now will lock out the Shadow Cloak (and its morphs) ability for 5 secs, as will Piercing Mark for like 20-30 secs, which means everyone on the battlefield will now see the Nightblade and can be used indefinitely to maintain every 4 secs for Magelight and every 20 secs or more for piercing mark!!!! this is unacceptable, this is nerfing Nightblades in PvP too much, there are already counters available for use. No ability should lock out a class ability, also the AvA skill line exp is being lowered and alot more people will have access to Revealing Flare (and its morphs), not including all the other counters available.

Stealth I can understand, locking out a Class Ability (Shadow Cloak) that has passives tied to it is way too much, Fix it..

That's exactly what she is saying. And it's totally asinine.

Canceled my sub today, gotta find me a new stealth game

Or try out something else? Maybe a mage or a warrior?