PTS Patch Notes v2.3.2

QuebraRegra

Destruent wrote: »

purge -->cloak....problem solved

change it to unlock at assault 2, and its still a bad balance change.

Xeniph

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?

That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

So you are saying that Magelight and Piercing Mark now will lock out the Shadow Cloak (and its morphs) ability for 5 secs, as will Piercing Mark for like 20-30 secs, which means everyone on the battlefield will now see the Nightblade and can be used indefinitely to maintain every 4 secs for Magelight and every 20 secs or more for piercing mark!!!! this is unacceptable, this is nerfing Nightblades in PvP too much, there are already counters available for use. No ability should lock out a class ability, also the AvA skill line exp is being lowered and alot more people will have access to Revealing Flare (and its morphs), not including all the other counters available.

Stealth I can understand, locking out a Class Ability (Shadow Cloak) that has passives tied to it is way too much, Fix it..

That's exactly what she is saying. And it's totally asinine.

Canceled my sub today, gotta find me a new stealth game

Or try out something else? Maybe a mage or a warrior?

I have all 4 classes leveled, but I don't enjoy the others at all. So, sadly I am left with little options.

MonarchChief

So what's the point of taking Piercing Mark now if Reapers Mark does the same thing + a heal and damage buff upon killing? Or are people referring specifically to Piercing Mark when they say Mark Target?

Xsorus

Xeniph wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?

That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

So you are saying that Magelight and Piercing Mark now will lock out the Shadow Cloak (and its morphs) ability for 5 secs, as will Piercing Mark for like 20-30 secs, which means everyone on the battlefield will now see the Nightblade and can be used indefinitely to maintain every 4 secs for Magelight and every 20 secs or more for piercing mark!!!! this is unacceptable, this is nerfing Nightblades in PvP too much, there are already counters available for use. No ability should lock out a class ability, also the AvA skill line exp is being lowered and alot more people will have access to Revealing Flare (and its morphs), not including all the other counters available.

Stealth I can understand, locking out a Class Ability (Shadow Cloak) that has passives tied to it is way too much, Fix it..

That's exactly what she is saying. And it's totally asinine.

Canceled my sub today, gotta find me a new stealth game

you'll not find to many games that let ya you stealth over and over without penalty or counters.

Leogon

@ The dumbos(you know who you are) saying nightblade players are lazy and/or cowardly - Next time, try not to generalize(and insult) an entire group of players. Thanks.

andy_s

@ZOS_GinaBruno : "You will no longer be able to exit Zhaj'hassa's area before he has been killed."

Not sure if you mean during combat or not, but you still can use the door and pass this boss after first death.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

BdCHighVoltage wrote: »

Increased the amount of AP required to rank up this skill line by approximately 80% compared to current PTS values.


wait... what?

they reduced ap needed to rank an insane amount. alliance 6 on live was 10+ on pts. the pts was probably reduced by 100% from live or so, so an increase of 80% on pts likeley is a reduction of 20% of live.
just ballparking though

hobicabobjob

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This change was so the ability (and its morphs) will be consistent with other charge abilities which can be dodged. Teleport Strike is currently not falling in line with this consistency, but it will be fixed before this update goes live. Regarding Lotus Fan, we'll check that out.

The rune having all effects follow for 8 seconds is much needed and appreciated. Thank you for taking one of the top feedback items for templars and implementing it. Of course the class is still in desperate need of balancing (as I'm sure the 65 pages of templar feedback has made evident), but I wanted to call this out as a good fix, and thank ZOS for the attention.

The toppling charge nerf is acceptable to me as long as other gap closers fall in line in the same update.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

URGENT for non cp pvp.

I love the Idea of no cp in blackwater and 1 everyone campaign, But, BATTLE SPIRIT MUST BE REVERTED.
50% is extreme. it makes some sense with cp making everything overpowered but with no cp PLEASE revert to the old version so we can kill each other without it being a [who can drain stamina and cc lock them out of defence first], competition.

with no cp we will loose 25% damage/healing/shield/penetration... etc what your build focuses on. dont need 50% battle debuff. go back to 30-35% or whatever it was.

Id like to see cp free become popular not just a dead campaign because of the global skill nerf.

Lord_Hev

I'm loving the NB nerfs, retribution at it's finest. It's ok tho, who needs cloak anyway when you can just light attack > Surprise attack > bash someone for 15k+ instant burst of physical dmg? Oh yeah, nerf sorc. herpaderp

eserras7b16_ESO

I like the change to Rune Focus for the Templars. Fixing charge is okay too if Nightblades get the same, just fair. Damage increase in Crescent sweep is nice but still not enough and the increase in seconds of the other morph, it would need a bit more range aswel.
We could use a buff to our shield, i really hope we get a decent shield again, you know that shield is really weak...

I've got to thank you for the Argonian passives change aswel, still not the best race to play but better than before!

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ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This change was so the ability (and its morphs) will be consistent with other charge abilities which can be dodged.

What we see is ZOS saying that each class should feel unique - except Templar - i which case if they have a unique ('ish) strength then that strength needs to be nerfed.

Xvorg

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Racial

• Argonian
  • Amphibious: Increased the amount of Health, Magicka, and Stamina restored from this passive to 4/8/12% at Ranks I/II/III from 2/5/8%.

Just one comment, no matter how much you will boost the Health, Magicka and Stamina restored with that passive, it will never change the fact that's the worst passive in the game. Why do I have to wait 45 secs in order to use a passive again?

A dunmer can fire a second flame based attack as he wishes. A bosmer has always an increased stamina regen. Khajit will always increase his dmg from stealth and if he's good enough, can re enter into stealth through skill, Do I have to mention the permanent and escalated magicka increase and regen for altmer just for being tall?

We have no way to use the passive consistently, just wait for some build in mechanic to make it work... and that's unfair. Please change it to something useful or get rid of the race, so we don't have to come here to give you "more" problems

Thanks...

Nikkor

I hate armor drops only being v15. It should scale to my level. I'd prefer no armor than v15 armor. Seriously. Give us throw away jewelry or gold instead. It's less of a slap in the face.

sabresandiego_ESO

Great patch, the changes look great so far. Need to test more.

notimetocare

Guess the crybabies got Assault and Support AP increased >.>

Miwerton

Went trough the costs of mageligth, out of sync.

4925 on stam temp, no cost red apart from class ones,
4245 on stam dk, no cost red
4872 on stam nb, no cost red.
Or the mage guild cost red.

All of them were using v15 health and stam food.

Islyn

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Pangnirtung wrote: »

No fix for character not being able to move before hitting the "space bar" on the Mac client?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

64 bit client and windows 10 fix coming anytime soon?

These are both things we're actively working on fixing!

Then perhaps they should fix those before nerfing Templar skills more. *smh*

James-Wayne

TheM0rganism wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?

That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

So you are saying that Magelight and Piercing Mark now will lock out the Shadow Cloak (and its morphs) ability for 5 secs, as will Piercing Mark for like 20-30 secs, which means everyone on the battlefield will now see the Nightblade and can be used indefinitely to maintain every 4 secs for Magelight and every 20 secs or more for piercing mark!!!! this is unacceptable, this is nerfing Nightblades in PvP too much, there are already counters available for use. No ability should lock out a class ability, also the AvA skill line exp is being lowered and alot more people will have access to Revealing Flare (and its morphs), not including all the other counters available.

Stealth I can understand, locking out a Class Ability (Shadow Cloak) that has passives tied to it is way too much, Fix it..

You have the only true disengage in the game. If you get caught AT ALL, you deserve whatever comes next. As it stands now, a complete novice NB can simply pick and choose his battles on his terms. That's an absurd mechanic without even going into all the benefits of being able to proc all the benefits of hitting from stealth.

I keep seeing this argument about how "there are already counters available for use." But you're neglecting the fact that those abilities are highly utility-based and always come with some massive downside, whether it be high-resource cost, inherent debuff, serious PvE-potential lost, low-dmg output, etc.

Cloak should simply help you maintain the initial stealth. Relying on it THROUGHOUT an engagement is the exigency of almost every argument on this forum from people fighting Nightblades. Quit complaining and thank god you're not a stamina templar.

Amen brother excellent finish!

Lava_Croft

Why would anyone slot Cloak if it's nothing more than a skill to trigger Concealed Weapon's speed buff to run fast between keeps? This is just crazy.

Enodoc

notimetocare wrote: »

Guess the crybabies got Assault and Support AP increased >.>

Not by enough though, and they're still randomly scattered throughout the Alliance War ranks rather than neatly tied into one skill level at a certain rank.

Jowrik

I can't believe most of you are actually crying about the EU PTS characters not being able to test a CP-campaign.

It's PTS for crying out loud, it's meant to TEST, not to play the game with every item available.

If you're not gonna play the Non-CP campaign because "you can't test the CP system with your character", you're pretty damn selfish and i'd rather you not play PTS at all then.

themdogesbite wrote: »

This is dissapointing beyond belief. Now there's no reason for the entire EU PvP community to even bother going on PTS, not really the best way to get any feedback / reports about things not working as they are supposed to.

No reason? How about you just try it out instead of throwing in the towel early. If you wanna test the CP system in Cyrodiil, create a template and run it from there when they open up the other campaign again. You don't need your own character to do that.

"not really the best way to get any feedback / reports about things not working as they are supposed to", what things? You're just talking about CP then? Because you can test the *** out of everything else.

themdogesbite wrote: »

Cause so far in all of the guilds i reside within on EU there is not a single positive comment or remark on testing the non CP campaign, and the PvPers from EU have been waiting on getting our char copies to try things out. Instead now we are stuck wiht this absolute useless scenario where noone of us will play / we cant test out new builds in a actual enviorment.

We had plans to fight other guilds on PTS, thats not going to happen now since its not gonna be in a enviorment that slightly resembles how it will be on live. So why would be bother waisting our time wiht something we will never play within.

Besides, it's not like they even consider our feedback anyways, every previous PTS patch ever proves that.

This is really the worst lol. You can perfectly play and test the non-CP campaigns with other guilds and, who knows they may open up the other campaigns for EU at a later point.

Seriously, just logging in the PTS to min/max+test your build for live is just pathetic. It means you just wanna be as ready as you can when the patch hits, so you have the edge on people that can't play PTS. Test the game instead, and report malfunctions. If people like you (and I mean people heavily invested into PVP and builds) are giving up on that, even when a major PVP aspect changes (aka NON-CP campaigns) you're just selfish

Also, for a dueling guild like ARENA you're probably better off on a non-CP campaign anyway. It makes it a fair fight regardless who duels who in terms of CP.

By the way, i'm an EU PTS player.

Jowrik

jluchau wrote: »

themdogesbite wrote: »

Cause so far in all of the guilds i reside within on EU there is not a single positive comment or remark on testing the non CP campaign, and the PvPers from EU have been waiting on getting our char copies to try things out. Instead now we are stuck wiht this absolute useless scenario where noone of us will play / we cant test out new builds in a actual enviorment.

We had plans to fight other guilds on PTS, thats not going to happen now since its not gonna be in a enviorment that slightly resembles how it will be on live. So why would be bother waisting our time wiht something we will never play within.

Besides, it's not like they even consider our feedback anyways, every previous PTS patch ever proves that.

I understand your frustration. It's possible that I am wrong but I have always thought the PTS was for testing new systems in the game before they go live, not just to perfect your build before it goes live. I know people who are excited to test the non CP campaign. Even if you are in 5 guilds all full and full of PvP only people and each and every one of them were PTS testers you are still only representing 2,495 players. I'm sorry that this test isn't what you want it to be, but I have to disagree with you that ZOS doesn't listen to feedback. I've seen them make lots of changes based off of feedback. Heck the current change to the Eternal Hunt set are a direct change due to player feedback and thats just one change of many i've seen.

Waw you worded that better than I ever could lol. Way to stay cool

kkravaritieb17_ESO

Jowrik wrote: »

I can't believe most of you are actually crying about the EU PTS characters not being able to test a CP-campaign.

It's PTS for crying out loud, it's meant to TEST, not to play the game with every item available.

If you're not gonna play the Non-CP campaign because "you can't test the CP system with your character", you're pretty damn selfish and i'd rather you not play PTS at all then.

themdogesbite wrote: »

This is dissapointing beyond belief. Now there's no reason for the entire EU PvP community to even bother going on PTS, not really the best way to get any feedback / reports about things not working as they are supposed to.

No reason? How about you just try it out instead of throwing in the towel early. If you wanna test the CP system in Cyrodiil, create a template and run it from there when they open up the other campaign again. You don't need your own character to do that.

"not really the best way to get any feedback / reports about things not working as they are supposed to", what things? You're just talking about CP then? Because you can test the *** out of everything else.

themdogesbite wrote: »

Cause so far in all of the guilds i reside within on EU there is not a single positive comment or remark on testing the non CP campaign, and the PvPers from EU have been waiting on getting our char copies to try things out. Instead now we are stuck wiht this absolute useless scenario where noone of us will play / we cant test out new builds in a actual enviorment.

We had plans to fight other guilds on PTS, thats not going to happen now since its not gonna be in a enviorment that slightly resembles how it will be on live. So why would be bother waisting our time wiht something we will never play within.

Besides, it's not like they even consider our feedback anyways, every previous PTS patch ever proves that.

This is really the worst lol. You can perfectly play and test the non-CP campaigns with other guilds and, who knows they may open up the other campaigns for EU at a later point.

Seriously, just logging in the PTS to min/max+test your build for live is just pathetic. It means you just wanna be as ready as you can when the patch hits, so you have the edge on people that can't play PTS. Test the game instead, and report malfunctions. If people like you (and I mean people heavily invested into PVP and builds) are giving up on that, even when a major PVP aspect changes (aka NON-CP campaigns) you're just selfish

Also, for a dueling guild like ARENA you're probably better off on a non-CP campaign anyway. It makes it a fair fight regardless who duels who in terms of CP.

By the way, i'm an EU PTS player.

Well we got a week to test and we re forced to do it with no cps whereas while the NA chars were copied for 2+ weeks they didnt think to try it then. You can see our frustration.

Samphaa

If i understand this correctly, siphoning attacks has still been butchered and it now restores an extra 80-90 resources on a light attack? Great!

Siluen

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Nightblade

• Siphoning
  • Leeching Strikes (Siphoning Attacks morph): Increased the amount of Health restored from this morph to 3% of your maximum Health from 2%.
  • Siphoning Attacks: Increased the amount of resources provided by this ability and the Siphoning Attacks morph by roughly 10%.

Oh. My. God. What a fix. We can go home now.

> hangs shield on a tree and goes home <

hrothbern

Siluen wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Nightblade

• Siphoning
  • Leeching Strikes (Siphoning Attacks morph): Increased the amount of Health restored from this morph to 3% of your maximum Health from 2%.
  • Siphoning Attacks: Increased the amount of resources provided by this ability and the Siphoning Attacks morph by roughly 10%.

Oh. My. God. What a fix. We can go home now.

> hangs shield on a tree and goes home <

As a Tank in HA, with so little resources regain on this SA, you are really in a bad situation when fighting 3-4 enemies including a boss.

• Not blocking is a risk and drains health.
• Blocking drains Stamina
• Spamming Sap Essence is more expensive than the Magicka regain: drains Magicka.
• and for sure there are enemies out of range of Sap Essence, just eating Stamina away.
• and HA does not really help with resources

ugh

Darlon

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Jowrik wrote: »

I can't believe most of you are actually crying about the EU PTS characters not being able to test a CP-campaign.

It's PTS for crying out loud, it's meant to TEST, not to play the game with every item available.

If you're not gonna play the Non-CP campaign because "you can't test the CP system with your character", you're pretty damn selfish and i'd rather you not play PTS at all then.

themdogesbite wrote: »

This is dissapointing beyond belief. Now there's no reason for the entire EU PvP community to even bother going on PTS, not really the best way to get any feedback / reports about things not working as they are supposed to.

No reason? How about you just try it out instead of throwing in the towel early. If you wanna test the CP system in Cyrodiil, create a template and run it from there when they open up the other campaign again. You don't need your own character to do that.

"not really the best way to get any feedback / reports about things not working as they are supposed to", what things? You're just talking about CP then? Because you can test the *** out of everything else.

themdogesbite wrote: »

Cause so far in all of the guilds i reside within on EU there is not a single positive comment or remark on testing the non CP campaign, and the PvPers from EU have been waiting on getting our char copies to try things out. Instead now we are stuck wiht this absolute useless scenario where noone of us will play / we cant test out new builds in a actual enviorment.

We had plans to fight other guilds on PTS, thats not going to happen now since its not gonna be in a enviorment that slightly resembles how it will be on live. So why would be bother waisting our time wiht something we will never play within.

Besides, it's not like they even consider our feedback anyways, every previous PTS patch ever proves that.

This is really the worst lol. You can perfectly play and test the non-CP campaigns with other guilds and, who knows they may open up the other campaigns for EU at a later point.

Seriously, just logging in the PTS to min/max+test your build for live is just pathetic. It means you just wanna be as ready as you can when the patch hits, so you have the edge on people that can't play PTS. Test the game instead, and report malfunctions. If people like you (and I mean people heavily invested into PVP and builds) are giving up on that, even when a major PVP aspect changes (aka NON-CP campaigns) you're just selfish

Also, for a dueling guild like ARENA you're probably better off on a non-CP campaign anyway. It makes it a fair fight regardless who duels who in terms of CP.

By the way, i'm an EU PTS player.

Well we got a week to test and we re forced to do it with no cps whereas while the NA chars were copied for 2+ weeks they didnt think to try it then. You can see our frustration.

Who says you have a week ? there's 2.5 weeks left till release...

themdogesbite

Jowrik wrote: »

I can't believe most of you are actually crying about the EU PTS characters not being able to test a CP-campaign.

It's PTS for crying out loud, it's meant to TEST, not to play the game with every item available.

If you're not gonna play the Non-CP campaign because "you can't test the CP system with your character", you're pretty damn selfish and i'd rather you not play PTS at all then.

themdogesbite wrote: »

This is dissapointing beyond belief. Now there's no reason for the entire EU PvP community to even bother going on PTS, not really the best way to get any feedback / reports about things not working as they are supposed to.

No reason? How about you just try it out instead of throwing in the towel early. If you wanna test the CP system in Cyrodiil, create a template and run it from there when they open up the other campaign again. You don't need your own character to do that.

"not really the best way to get any feedback / reports about things not working as they are supposed to", what things? You're just talking about CP then? Because you can test the *** out of everything else.

themdogesbite wrote: »

Cause so far in all of the guilds i reside within on EU there is not a single positive comment or remark on testing the non CP campaign, and the PvPers from EU have been waiting on getting our char copies to try things out. Instead now we are stuck wiht this absolute useless scenario where noone of us will play / we cant test out new builds in a actual enviorment.

We had plans to fight other guilds on PTS, thats not going to happen now since its not gonna be in a enviorment that slightly resembles how it will be on live. So why would be bother waisting our time wiht something we will never play within.

Besides, it's not like they even consider our feedback anyways, every previous PTS patch ever proves that.

This is really the worst lol. You can perfectly play and test the non-CP campaigns with other guilds and, who knows they may open up the other campaigns for EU at a later point.

Seriously, just logging in the PTS to min/max+test your build for live is just pathetic. It means you just wanna be as ready as you can when the patch hits, so you have the edge on people that can't play PTS. Test the game instead, and report malfunctions. If people like you (and I mean people heavily invested into PVP and builds) are giving up on that, even when a major PVP aspect changes (aka NON-CP campaigns) you're just selfish

Also, for a dueling guild like ARENA you're probably better off on a non-CP campaign anyway. It makes it a fair fight regardless who duels who in terms of CP.

By the way, i'm an EU PTS player.

ok so lets put it like this;

There are new SETS introduced into the game, sets that people want to try out. The medium that we usualy get to try theese out are via dueling. Noobody will use the new sets and have any success with them cause our stats are skeewed thanks to no CP, thus there won't be any feedback on them.

Is it strange that i want to find a setup for my characters whilst its free to test them? It's not like getting full v16 legendary gear is cheap theese days, i also cant test to play certain classes that i do not yet have on live with weapons i do not own on live to see how they would fare. So i know if its going to be worth it to grind out vMSA for 100 runs in order to get the drop i need.

We already canceled our GvG plans on PTS cause its not worth the hassle, everyone would have to recraft their gear and make completely new setups, for testing in a enviorment we wont actually play in live. So we can't get a accurate idea how the new changed skills with certain sets would perform within a certain scenario, thus we cant provide accurate feedback.

You see the problem im hinting at? Broken things gets found by playing, if noobody plays with it there wont be any feedback to give.