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Don't lower the AP required to level Assault and Support skill lines
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The Uninvited wrote: »
If those numbers are real, I can understand the "big deal" now. That really is a very, very large discount in needed AP...
That proposal seems to be more fitting for both parties.
Aye, now consider you'll be earning more AP at the same time. It's just insane.1 -
Shaggygaming✭✭✭Why does it even matter? Why force people to play in a zone that takes more than 2 seconds to even cast an ability and that is if your ability works. Alliance ranks have nothing to do with skill it just means you've endured an area of the game that no one should be forced to play.....And this is coming from someone who only played in Cyrodill until a month ago.
My solution would be to have the passives unlock at the same AP per rank and have the skills unlock how they're on PTS.Edited by Shaggygaming on February 4, 2016 6:14PM2 -
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✭✭Because you're cheapening it. Seriously, getting to level 7 to unlock all the skills does not take THAT long, so my only assumption is you're catering to all the PVE whiners. Why should their opinions reflect what you do with Alliance war?
You're making PVP less of an achievement, and if this sticks, I expect you to lower the experience needed for the Undaunted skill line so we can obtain that faster too.
Surely you have level 9 undaunted by now? It's like what 30 dungeons tops.
But yeah I've poured so much into pvp just for a few skills that some cry babies cba to unlock. It's a joke. I expect my level to go up by 20 ranks to compensate.
Also for the record all the cry babies you're going to be gravely dissapointed with magika det. It's not actually powerful or good at all in pve.PC Master Race
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
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Level 1.5 xDDRXHarbinger wrote: »Because you're cheapening it. Seriously, getting to level 7 to unlock all the skills does not take THAT long, so my only assumption is you're catering to all the PVE whiners. Why should their opinions reflect what you do with Alliance war?
You're making PVP less of an achievement, and if this sticks, I expect you to lower the experience needed for the Undaunted skill line so we can obtain that faster too.
Surely you have level 9 undaunted by now? It's like what 30 dungeons tops.
Man, I haven't even finished the third harborage quest
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Islyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm pretty much like *whatever* about it.
I just don't know why anyone cares at all - do they really need people to PVP so badly they are happy to have PVP noobs they can easily one shot? If so, where's the challenge there? No one who doesn't plan to PVP ongoing is gonna make all the gear to make themselves have any survivability.
I mean how is that even really PVP at all if you can just 1 shot everyone?
I think let whoever want get their skills and just go back to wherever.
I was peeved about the monster heads/hats but then decided *who cares* let them just buy em and f o back to pvp land if that makes them happier.
I mean what difference does it even make.
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✭This is just stupid Zos always trying to shitting on PVPers to make things easier on PVErs.This change is just stupid.2 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭This is just stupid Zos always trying to shitting on PVPers to make things easier on PVErs.This change is just stupid.
lol, like they're not making it easier for PvPers to get PvE stuff with the new merchant, we all know it's mostly for PvPers that never want to step their foot outside cyrodiil.R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
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Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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✭At this point Im kinda like, Fudge It, put it all in the gd crown store and be done with it. Everything, all of it. All skill lines ALL of it. Why? So no one has to work for a damn thing. Cause thats what it seems this game is coming to.
*disclaimer* ofc Im being sarcastic, thats not the direction Id want to see this game go. Just peeved and venting.
Ill say it again, didnt ask for your stupid helms and shoulders to be sold in our land so quit with that argument. They can keep the crap. What we wanted was viable stuff for pvp. Something pvp related to spend our AP on. But ZOS decided to be lazy and tried to throw a bone.
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ssewallb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don't allow undaunted gear to be purchased with AP
Because you're cheapening it. Seriously, getting undaunted sets does not take THAT long, so my only assumption is you're catering to all the PVP whiners. Why should their opinions reflect what you do with PvE content?
You're making PVE less of an achievement, and if this sticks, I expect you to lower the experience needed for the Assault rank skill line so we can obtain that faster too.
Oh, wait..4 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »Don't allow undaunted gear to be purchased with AP
Because you're cheapening it. Seriously, getting undaunted sets does not take THAT long, so my only assumption is you're catering to all the PVP whiners. Why should their opinions reflect what you do with PvE content?
You're making PVE less of an achievement, and if this sticks, I expect you to lower the experience needed for the Assault rank skill line so we can obtain that faster too.
Oh, wait..
I've made a thousand posts how I was against that idea to begin with and it should stay in PVE. Thanks for stopping by in any case, clown.1 -
Destyran✭✭✭✭✭Because you're cheapening it. Seriously, getting to level 7 to unlock all the skills does not take THAT long, so my only assumption is you're catering to all the PVE whiners. Why should their opinions reflect what you do with Alliance war?
You're making PVP less of an achievement, and if this sticks, I expect you to lower the experience needed for the Undaunted skill line so we can obtain that faster too.
I thought they did its 5 now isnt it? Like 10 dungeons??0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Because you're cheapening it. Seriously, getting to level 7 to unlock all the skills does not take THAT long, so my only assumption is you're catering to all the PVE whiners. Why should their opinions reflect what you do with Alliance war?
You're making PVP less of an achievement, and if this sticks, I expect you to lower the experience needed for the Undaunted skill line so we can obtain that faster too.
I thought they did its 5 now isnt it? Like 10 dungeons??
I don't know. Man, I ain't got time for dungeons or actually care about undaunted passives. I was just upset, and thinking about the PVPers who do want that skill line maxed.0 -
ssewallb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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---ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »Don't allow undaunted gear to be purchased with AP
Because you're cheapening it. Seriously, getting undaunted sets does not take THAT long, so my only assumption is you're catering to all the PVP whiners. Why should their opinions reflect what you do with PvE content?
You're making PVE less of an achievement, and if this sticks, I expect you to lower the experience needed for the Assault rank skill line so we can obtain that faster too.
Oh, wait..
I've made a thousand posts how I was against that idea to begin with and it should stay in PVE. Thanks for stopping by in any case, clown.It's cheap, that much is for sure, but you still have to wait to get the items you want and they come in infused. Leave it as it is and make the ones that drop from dungeons BoE. That way, PVErs can sell the other traits to players if they want to and actually get something out of it.
Considering the new motif is only found in Cyrodiil and IC, PVPers could even trade AP or motifs for the sets PVErs drop if they preferred. It'd be a pretty nice boost to the economy, if ZOS even cares about that any more.
Seems legit
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Well, for PVE'er like me it took me 3 months to unlock horn. So yea playing pvp for me is real strugglebecause I never like to play there, and the xp required was insane. It's one of the reasons I never play stam characters because there is no way i could get caltrops. So this change is really really make me happy as PVE'er because I need a lot of skills from there which it wasn't possible for me to get in the past.
Took me forever to get Vigor. Caltrops seems impossible. That's a lot of horse riding. Better to just lack options than to grind that out.2 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is just stupid Zos always trying to shitting on PVPers to make things easier on PVErs.This change is just stupid.
Yeah, because when they screw up all the skills to "rebalance" them, that is because of PvEers.
It makes sense to chance the progression on alliance skills because it takes way longer than any other skill lines. It isn't at all proportionate. This makes even less sense in the PvP context considering how many people here complain incessantly about "balance".3 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The game is in a state where it needs to open up for players pickung up on the game. I feel the change is needed to get new players an easier entry to content where things like caltrops or magica detonation are mandatory for certain builds.
It does not devalue the achievement of having it earned the "hard" way prior to these changes.<Noricum>
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DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭As I said in another post same topic I think your first toon should get to assault 10 the current way. All successive toons can be by this faster way. This allows you to earn assualt support 10 the hard way. this skill line was already nerfed once. You cannot encourage ppl to get in the game and get everything in the game that You and I have acquired over 22 months or longer in a couple of weeks. It will encourage rolling new toons as well.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.0 -
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The game is in a state where it needs to open up for players pickung up on the game. I feel the change is needed to get new players an easier entry to content where things like caltrops or magica detonation are mandatory for certain builds.
It does not devalue the achievement of having it earned the "hard" way prior to these changes.
Yeah, I don't get the logic that your achievement gets cheapened. Achievements are all about that moment when you get it.
It seems to me that it would take months of gameplay before caltops matters.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The game is in a state where it needs to open up for players pickung up on the game. I feel the change is needed to get new players an easier entry to content where things like caltrops or magica detonation are mandatory for certain builds.
It does not devalue the achievement of having it earned the "hard" way prior to these changes.
"Mandatory"? I don't think that word means what you think it means. I mostly play PvE. I only very recently got magicka detonation. Yes, it's a very fun toy to play with, but it doesn't change my build at all, and it hasn't allowed me to do things in PvE that I hadn't been able to do so before; I had already accomplished things like vICP speed run and vWGT no-death before getting det. Most of the PvE'ers that I play with don't have caltrops or det, and they do end-game content just fine without them. Vigor is arguably the only skill that might qualify as "mandatory" (for high-end solo play, at least), but that's already pretty easy to get after they moved it down to Assault 5.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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I applaud this change...now if only they could separate pvp and pve skill trees completely so when you pvp you choose the pvp profile and switch to the pve one when you do pve.0
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The game is in a state where it needs to open up for players pickung up on the game. I feel the change is needed to get new players an easier entry to content where things like caltrops or magica detonation are mandatory for certain builds.
It does not devalue the achievement of having it earned the "hard" way prior to these changes.
"Mandatory"? I don't think that word means what you think it means. I mostly play PvE. I only very recently got magicka detonation. Yes, it's a very fun toy to play with, but it doesn't change my build at all, and it hasn't allowed me to do things in PvE that I hadn't been able to do so before; I had already accomplished things like vICP speed run and vWGT no-death before getting det. Most of the PvE'ers that I play with don't have caltrops or det, and they do end-game content just fine without them. Vigor is arguably the only skill that might qualify as "mandatory" (for high-end solo play, at least), but that's already pretty easy to get after they moved it down to Assault 5.
If a build your grp needs you to run requires detonation/caltrops it´s mandatory. It may not be for completing content. It is certainly for specific activities like timeruns for trials or other max dps runs.
That´s why i mentioned certain builds.<Noricum>
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Grunim✭✭✭✭✭So what are the new AP values? It seems like they are quite low (too low?). What's the incentive to rank up in PvP if you've already got all the skills?
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Jaronking✭✭✭✭✭
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We get something that Helps everyone and it actually helps more PVErs than it helped PVPers.Their so many PVErs who have never gotten a desiered Monster Helm dropped from a Dungeon that the Vendor is going to help out.This change to AP makes leveling Assualt.a cakewalk for PVers and a giant middle finger to PVPers.Even time they go one step in a good direction for PVP they find a way to say F U.To usecosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »This is just stupid Zos always trying to shitting on PVPers to make things easier on PVErs.This change is just stupid.
lol, like they're not making it easier for PvPers to get PvE stuff with the new merchant, we all know it's mostly for PvPers that never want to step their foot outside cyrodiil.0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
We get something that Helps everyone and it actually helps more PVErs than it helped PVPers.Their so many PVErs who have never gotten a desiered Monster Helm dropped from a Dungeon that the Vendor is going to help out.This change to AP makes leveling Assualt.a cakewalk for PVers and a giant middle finger to PVPers.Even time they go one step in a good direction for PVP they find a way to say F U.To usecosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »This is just stupid Zos always trying to shitting on PVPers to make things easier on PVErs.This change is just stupid.
lol, like they're not making it easier for PvPers to get PvE stuff with the new merchant, we all know it's mostly for PvPers that never want to step their foot outside cyrodiil.
It's not really a "F U" tho, it's just bringing them in line with the other skill lines in terms of time invested, and the monster vendor can easily be said to be a "F U" to the people that earned their helms in the dungeons, just as you think the AP reduction is for people that PvP.R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
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Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
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✭Personofsecrets wrote: »Don't make pve gear available for purchase, especially not for alliance points.
PvP gear is available for gold. Why is this a problem?0 -
Hooch_is_CrazySoul ShrivenThey should lowerer it so its about the same effort to lvl as any other skill line... It was a bad idea to have it that freaking high to begin with... and for you PVPers that thing ZOMG I DONT WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE THE PASSIVES... QQ... Maybe they should just nerf them... maybe they arent balanced to begin with... so having they time wall between you PVP no lifers and the rest of the community, and giving you a large advantage over the rest of the community, which is more of the issue. JUST SAYIN.
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I don't get why PvPers moan about the undaunted skill line, yes it might be a grind for the passives but at least you can get to rank 5 fairly quickly unlike the alliance war skill lines.
Also in PvP the rate at which you earn AP hugely depends on how well the rest of your faction is doing, you're not going to earn much being stuck at the gates for example.
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