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starting the get the hate on NB
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NeillMcAttack✭✭✭✭✭
✭You are basically complaining about the enemy outplaying you......
They are getting the drop on you, outnumbering you, killing you fast, stopping/slowing re-enforcements and winning.
You will learn to counter this style of play, (radiant Magelight being amazing in this regard) and try to stay in numbers, maybe even join a PvP guild.
I play in small PvP groups mostly and NB's don't bother us at all because we are aware of their strengths and especially their weaknesses.
I understand that this kind of gameplay is very new to console players but I guarantee that soon the NB will not be as strong and that has nothing to do with balancing, just people's know how. The sooner people learn, the sooner the meta will shift and we can all complain about sorc shields together.....PC EU - NoCP PvP, is real PvPTiidehunter Nord StamDK EP PvP MainLegion Commander Tresdin Stamplar DC PvE MainSephirith Altmer MagPlar EP Gondar the Bounty Hunter Khajiit StamBlade DCThe Dirge Redguard StamNecro EP Disruptor Stormcrafter Nord StamSorc ADLone Druid Bosmer Stam Warden EP Necro-Phos Argonian MagBlade AD@ McAttack in gamePlayed since beta, and then on console at release, until the game became unplayable on console.2 -
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Because drinking a simple potion and reveal Cloaked Nightblades to everybody around you for 45 seconds makes total sense, right? Especially given the incredible amount of counters to Cloak that are already present in the game but rarely used because most people are just terrible players.If they just reverted the changes to detection potions Nightblades would no longer be the problem that they are.
Edited by Lava_Croft on February 2, 2016 5:08PM4 -
DeanTheCat✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »Because a 4v1 at a chokepoint would have ended completely different if it were 4 Dragon Knights, Sorcerers or Templars.
Right, OP?
If you are going to cry about Nightblades because you got killed by a few of them, at least come up with valid complaints.
because these tactics = stealth crouch snipe to CC gapcloser _> followup. but you are dead before the followup usally so yes they can. if you read my actually post you see i actually state that. so before you comment read the things that are posted. specially for you ill show you that i actually did.But...whats the problem? With my mag Dk(horrible for pvp you all know plus Im bad) i have died tons of times and Ive killed some too. With my nb I kill and die too. NBs ar not THAT easy to master. They have their problems too. Just adapt. I remember when everybody blamed DKs. Then was the sorcs...now the nbs....next templars.
I roleplay my nb a lot. You that just pvp are wasting 80% of the game
have you read my post? i never called for a nerf and actually stated ANY stam build can do this actually. what i did say NB tend to abuse it more. and i play all classes. only not sorc because it's so faceroll easyNO matter the class, ganked and outnumbered is going to kill you most of the time
ye im not QQ about the fact i lose 4 vs 1. but these nightbaldes on xbox one btw. they camp up between points like bridges you need to cross to get back in the fight. because for example snipe from stealth has a chance of ccing you for a bit without gicing you the immunity i get double CC without even the chance to fight back. this can be done by any stam class btw, NB just favor stealth more and seem to do it. this is more a community issue then balance issue.
get's annoying to the point i just walk over a mountian which takes 4x longer then take the road to the fight because at least i can PvP then. not getting killed before you have a chance to fight back.
@Artjuh90
I'll leave this here.
DKs are better gankers then Nightblades, in a twist of irony. Doesn't have to be from stealth either. If let's say 4 templars were to Dark Flare you at the same time, or 4 Sorcs unleashing 4 Crystal Fragments, the end result is the same. You'll end up 6 feet under.Dean the Cat
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This one does not advocate for any class to be nerfed. There are far deeper underlying issues then a simple "Class Imbalance". The Champion System is the problem. Not classes.
Please read this before creating yet another nerf thread.
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Preyfar✭✭✭✭✭
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As if drinking a potion that nets you 12.5 seconds of time makes any more sense? They're magical potions, meant to give you additional abilities. Drinking a potion that magically restores health and regeneration makes little to no more sense if you want to think of it that way.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Because drinking a simple potion and reveal Cloaked Nightblades to everybody around you for 45 seconds makes total sense, right? Especially given the incredible amount of counters to Cloak that are already present in the game but rarely used because most people are just terrible players.If they just reverted the changes to detection potions Nightblades would no longer be the problem that they are.
Detection potions give players the ability to detect stealthed players, but also limit your ability to chug a tripot. There are some limitations to their functionality and some tradeoffs. And as a Nightblade since launch, I understand the various counters to cloaking more than anyone, but even I find fighting my own kind annoying and frustrating at times.0 -
kirk_lewis_ESO✭✭✭4 against one is a nightmare. It's why I don't go to Cyrodiil. Horror stories of being ambushed. I applaud anybody that can take on groups by themselves and survive.Templar - looking for a new job (Blame the economy).0
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✭OP you need to really pay attention in PvP. 90% of the time you can go an alternate path, usually takes longer, but you'll get to where you're going without hassel. Which is what I do when I know I am going towards a keep that has the enemy in it.
Next time you open up your map of Cyordiil. Check out the lines connecting the keeps. See them? Now those lines are usually the shortest path to get from point A to point B. If you're at Keep A and need to get to Keep B to get it back, why o why would you take the least shortest path to get to Keep B? You should know that path will be riddled with gankers! Especially if the fighting between the 2 keeps has been going on for about 2 hours. Many gankers will show up just to ruin your day.Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on February 2, 2016 5:31PM0 -
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✭✭✭Can I give you a tip? Gankers usually buff before they attack. Turn your effects up, and your music off. If you're paying enough attention, you'll hear them buffing beforehand.3 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Can I give you a tip? Gankers usually buff before they attack. Turn your effects up, and your music off. If you're paying enough attention, you'll hear them buffing beforehand.
^^^^ and then you pop a detect potion. Gankers love it when you use detection potions on them before they attack
@DeanTheCat Totally copy-pasta'ing that build on my Khajiit DK once VR is taken out, can't wait!Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on February 2, 2016 5:41PM0 -
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✭✭Pangnirtung wrote: »Like NB's are designed to stand out in the open and duke it out fair and square?
Yep. L2p. Ambush, surprise attack then WB WB WB still wins the fight. Don't need to be a gimpy coward hiding all the time to win a fight.PC Master Race
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✭✭✭Artjuh, aren't you one of the people avidly telling other players to "l2p" in the face of Wrecking Blow?
Karma can be a real witch, right, buddy?
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rally + shuffle + vigor when free roaming..be ready for impact...throw a steel tornado once in a while or hysteria..in Cyro or IC if im not hidden i always have shuffle and rally up...1 -
djogani✭✭That is the NB way going to stealth and then stab you in the back. My first character was actually NB stamina dps too but they were not that good before. The only combination i hated ( maybe i still hate them i dont know did not play for a long time about 4 months) was vampire DK and i did hear from one of my guildmates that Imp City is now ganking paradise for nb's lol. Im gonna check it out maybe.0 -
Merkabeh✭✭✭NO matter the class, ganked and outnumbered is going to kill you most of the time
ye im not QQ about the fact i lose 4 vs 1. but these nightbaldes on xbox one btw. they camp up between points like bridges you need to cross to get back in the fight. because for example snipe from stealth has a chance of ccing you for a bit without gicing you the immunity i get double CC without even the chance to fight back. this can be done by any stam class btw, NB just favor stealth more and seem to do it. this is more a community issue then balance issue.
get's annoying to the point i just walk over a mountian which takes 4x longer then take the road to the fight because at least i can PvP then. not getting killed before you have a chance to fight back.
Wow...so they are using proper force and smart tactics.
This isn't arenas, it isn't supposed to be fair.
If their tactic keeps you and others from getting back to the fight efficiently that is perfect and actually supports their alliances effort at the keep you are trying to get to.
That is my biggest problem with all the class QQ, everyone looks at it like 1v1 and small group is important; it isn't, cyrodiil is about larger scale fights, and in that case, bringing enough force and using good tactics is a skill, that trumps any class balance or mechanical skill.
I just hope arenas get added so all the 1v1 me pros can go fight (and complain) somewhere else, while the people that want warfare can have Cyrodiil.Edited by Merkabeh on February 2, 2016 6:20PMCrusader of The Knights of the Alessian Order
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eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's kinda connected these things.
People and especially pugs runs in big herds because scared of getting jumped by multiple NB's gankers.
People play NB gankers, because other classes get overrun and instakilled by bigger groups, with no chance of escaping.
It's true that stam DK's can gank just as hard as a NB, but they have lesser chance of getting out alive afterwards. NB's ganker is more rewarding due to less time on horse simulator, therefore more popular.
Solo and small group play in ESO these days is pretty much only NB gank groups. Other classes cant pull it of any more for a dozen of unpleasant reasons.1 -
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✭yes templars needs some love. but zeni loves the sorc 2 mutch and the mechanics make NB not to bad aswell 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't PvP that mutch but seems the last 2 days i have been playing there seems to be a large number of small groups 3-4 people in stealth 90% Nb who 4 on one at choke points. really are you that bad that you have to stunlock kill me without me having a fighting chance
I feel your pain! Thanks for drawing these clowns out of the IC sewers, though
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Artjuh90✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »I don't PvP that mutch but seems the last 2 days i have been playing there seems to be a large number of small groups 3-4 people in stealth 90% Nb who 4 on one at choke points. really are you that bad that you have to stunlock kill me without me having a fighting chance
I feel your pain! Thanks for drawing these clowns out of the IC sewers, though
i've actually don't find as many in the sewers though. but then again i chose the campaign dominated by the EP normally hadorus on xbox EU and i have free tv farm the most time. one time i even went bold and edded up farming up to 9k tv on me. but then every shadow started to gloom on me so i went back asap :P 1
