starting the get the hate on NB

Artjuh90

I don't PvP that mutch but seems the last 2 days i have been playing there seems to be a large number of small groups 3-4 people in stealth 90% Nb who 4 on one at choke points. really are you that bad that you have to stunlock kill me without me having a fighting chance

WillhelmBlack

I'm usually walking about Cyrodiil with a Spambush train stuck on my leg. Get used to it, it's gonna get worse looking at this years DLC's.

Artjuh90

and then people wonder why people zerg. this would be the main reason for me to look up a larger group

AOECAPS

Zos solution reroll NB perma cloak across Cyrodiil

Detector

Skill > unSkill

Don't cry - L2P.

Artjuh90

Detector wrote: »

Skill > unSkill

Don't cry - L2P.

you are aware they stun me from stealth and combo me before i can breakfree and cloak right?
this has nothing to do with L2P when you can't even move lol

Tallowby

Detector wrote: »

Skill > unSkill

Don't cry - L2P.

4 > 1

There is no skill here

therrieur

NO matter the class, ganked and outnumbered is going to kill you most of the time

Pangnirtung

Like NB's are designed to stand out in the open and duke it out fair and square?

Artjuh90

therrieur wrote: »

NO matter the class, ganked and outnumbered is going to kill you most of the time

ye im not QQ about the fact i lose 4 vs 1. but these nightbaldes on xbox one btw. they camp up between points like bridges you need to cross to get back in the fight. because for example snipe from stealth has a chance of ccing you for a bit without gicing you the immunity i get double CC without even the chance to fight back. this can be done by any stam class btw, NB just favor stealth more and seem to do it. this is more a community issue then balance issue.
get's annoying to the point i just walk over a mountian which takes 4x longer then take the road to the fight because at least i can PvP then. not getting killed before you have a chance to fight back.

AlnilamE

Are you there to PvP or are you trying to get PvE content done?

The best way to avoid gankers is to take the less direct route to where you are going.

It always takes me a bit longer to get there, but I get there alive.

There are people who will go stalk choke points and gank. Be prepared for it. If you are riding, use Rapid Maneuvres, make sure your horse has enough stamina to withstand a few hits. If you are on foot, use immovable pots and stealth.

If you are actually there to PvP, join a group (preferably a smaller one) and practice. I find that there's a big learning curve in PvP.

Lightninvash

Artjuh90 wrote: »

I don't PvP that mutch but seems the last 2 days i have been playing there seems to be a large number of small groups 3-4 people in stealth 90% Nb who 4 on one at choke points. really are you that bad that you have to stunlock kill me without me having a fighting chance

radiant magelight reduces 50% of stealth attacks reveals hidden/stealthed enemies and prevents a stealth stun what more do you need?(other than a group obviously)

laksikus

#NerfAlessiabridge

Artjuh90

AlnilamE wrote: »

Are you there to PvP or are you trying to get PvE content done?

The best way to avoid gankers is to take the less direct route to where you are going.

It always takes me a bit longer to get there, but I get there alive.

There are people who will go stalk choke points and gank. Be prepared for it. If you are riding, use Rapid Maneuvres, make sure your horse has enough stamina to withstand a few hits. If you are on foot, use immovable pots and stealth.

If you are actually there to PvP, join a group (preferably a smaller one) and practice. I find that there's a big learning curve in PvP.

just to get to the keeps where the fights are done. i have the explorer, savior of nirn, tamriel hero and all skyshards done without any problems really. only those 4 skyshards at the enemy's elder scroll where kinda hard but this is about when i actaully want to get into fights. but are not able because those griefers without skill that have to gain AP on a unfair way. problem is with this is see this is hard to maintain without breaking the game. i do like the stealth gameplay but the 4 on one on stealth is just lame and shows poor character if you ask me. and yes i play NB but i don't group up with all stealth players and only fight when outnumbered because these guys wont fight when you come with 4-5 others.

Milvan

This:

Lightninvash wrote: »

radiant magelight reduces 50% of stealth attacks reveals hidden/stealthed enemies and prevents a stealth stun what more do you need?(other than a group obviously)

And this:

AlnilamE wrote: »

The best way to avoid gankers is to take the less direct route to where you are going.
It always takes me a bit longer to get there, but I get there alive.
There are people who will go stalk choke points and gank. Be prepared for it. If you are riding, use Rapid Maneuvres, make sure your horse has enough stamina to withstand a few hits. If you are on foot, use immovable pots and stealth.
If you are actually there to PvP, join a group (preferably a smaller one) and practice. I find that there's a big learning curve in PvP.

Enough said.

Artjuh90

AlnilamE wrote: »

Are you there to PvP or are you trying to get PvE content done?

The best way to avoid gankers is to take the less direct route to where you are going.

It always takes me a bit longer to get there, but I get there alive.

There are people who will go stalk choke points and gank. Be prepared for it. If you are riding, use Rapid Maneuvres, make sure your horse has enough stamina to withstand a few hits. If you are on foot, use immovable pots and stealth.

If you are actually there to PvP, join a group (preferably a smaller one) and practice. I find that there's a big learning curve in PvP.

i actually prefer the 4-12 man groups. it makes where you have to use a actual rotation is neccary. large group only is a spammfest with alot of lagg. sometimes i go out on my own to kill people on on one. some i win some i lose.

Sweetpea704

Our group had a rally point where we respawned during our PVP event. That way we didn't trickle in after folks died. We went back to the fight as a group. Of course, we were all on Teamspeak, so coordinating all that was a lot easier.

Xendyn

Artjuh90 wrote: »

ye im not QQ about the fact i lose 4 vs 1. but these nightbaldes on xbox one btw. they camp up between points like bridges you need to cross to get back in the fight. because for example snipe from stealth has a chance of ccing you for a bit without gicing you the immunity i get double CC without even the chance to fight back. this can be done by any stam class btw, NB just favor stealth more and seem to do it. this is more a community issue then balance issue.
get's annoying to the point i just walk over a mountian which takes 4x longer then take the road to the fight because at least i can PvP then. not getting killed before you have a chance to fight back.

That part I bolded up there?
That's the point, to prevent enemy reinforcements from getting back to the fight. When you only have a handful of people, it's a useful thing to do to help the map.

Solutions: take a different route or wait for others and don't ride alone.

RazielSR

But...whats the problem? With my mag Dk(horrible for pvp you all know plus Im bad) i have died tons of times and Ive killed some too. With my nb I kill and die too. NBs ar not THAT easy to master. They have their problems too. Just adapt. I remember when everybody blamed DKs. Then was the sorcs...now the nbs....next templars.

I roleplay my nb a lot. You that just pvp are wasting 80% of the game

Artjuh90

RazielSR wrote: »

But...whats the problem? With my mag Dk(horrible for pvp you all know plus Im bad) i have died tons of times and Ive killed some too. With my nb I kill and die too. NBs ar not THAT easy to master. They have their problems too. Just adapt. I remember when everybody blamed DKs. Then was the sorcs...now the nbs....next templars.

I roleplay my nb a lot. You that just pvp are wasting 80% of the game

have you read my post? i never called for a nerf and actually stated ANY stam build can do this actually. what i did say NB tend to abuse it more. and i play all classes. only not sorc because it's so faceroll easy

bedlom

Its there tactics that make me sick there like snipers on battlefield, scum but again if zos gives them such an advantage then it zos's fault not the nb players.

Maybe the devs are all nb's when it come to pvp n they wanna make sure they stay that way, just a theory but the DCUO devs were famous for opperated this way (all ice tanks most op class in game since launch) so you never know.

GreenSoup2HoT

its not about a fair fight, your just AP. Sorry, it's just buisness.....

Lava_Croft

Because a 4v1 at a chokepoint would have ended completely different if it were 4 Dragon Knights, Sorcerers or Templars.

Right, OP?

If you are going to cry about Nightblades because you got killed by a few of them, at least come up with valid complaints.

laksikus

if it takes 4 nb to snipe you, they are bad.
oyu shouldnt need more than 2 timed snipers to kill one player

Artjuh90

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Because a 4v1 at a chokepoint would have ended completely different if it were 4 Dragon Knights, Sorcerers or Templars.

Right, OP?

If you are going to cry about Nightblades because you got killed by a few of them, at least come up with valid complaints.

because these tactics = stealth crouch snipe to CC gapcloser _> followup. but you are dead before the followup usally so yes they can. if you read my actually post you see i actually state that. so before you comment read the things that are posted. specially for you ill show you that i actually did.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

But...whats the problem? With my mag Dk(horrible for pvp you all know plus Im bad) i have died tons of times and Ive killed some too. With my nb I kill and die too. NBs ar not THAT easy to master. They have their problems too. Just adapt. I remember when everybody blamed DKs. Then was the sorcs...now the nbs....next templars.

I roleplay my nb a lot. You that just pvp are wasting 80% of the game

have you read my post? i never called for a nerf and actually stated ANY stam build can do this actually. what i did say NB tend to abuse it more. and i play all classes. only not sorc because it's so faceroll easy

Artjuh90 wrote: »

therrieur wrote: »

NO matter the class, ganked and outnumbered is going to kill you most of the time

ye im not QQ about the fact i lose 4 vs 1. but these nightbaldes on xbox one btw. they camp up between points like bridges you need to cross to get back in the fight. because for example snipe from stealth has a chance of ccing you for a bit without gicing you the immunity i get double CC without even the chance to fight back. this can be done by any stam class btw, NB just favor stealth more and seem to do it. this is more a community issue then balance issue.
get's annoying to the point i just walk over a mountian which takes 4x longer then take the road to the fight because at least i can PvP then. not getting killed before you have a chance to fight back.

Alucardo

I think the problem is, it wasn't bad when there were a handful of Nightblades, but nowadays you see people rerolling them and Cyrodiil/IC is just full of it, so they're everywhere making them more annoying than ever.

Lightninvash

Milvan wrote: »

This:

Lightninvash wrote: »

radiant magelight reduces 50% of stealth attacks reveals hidden/stealthed enemies and prevents a stealth stun what more do you need?(other than a group obviously)

And this:

AlnilamE wrote: »

The best way to avoid gankers is to take the less direct route to where you are going.
It always takes me a bit longer to get there, but I get there alive.
There are people who will go stalk choke points and gank. Be prepared for it. If you are riding, use Rapid Maneuvres, make sure your horse has enough stamina to withstand a few hits. If you are on foot, use immovable pots and stealth.
If you are actually there to PvP, join a group (preferably a smaller one) and practice. I find that there's a big learning curve in PvP.

Enough said.

this is all sound advice here nb are annoying unless you protect yourself from them using some of these tools

flguy147ub17_ESO

Agree with the OP. Personally i think no matter the situation i think you should have a chance to atleast defend yourself. There are many times i am literally dead before i can even respond which i think is just bad gameplay by the developers. Atleast have it so i have a chance even if 60% of my health is gone and they have full health. Also the unbalance of CP and gear in BWB for new players is ridiculous.

Lava_Croft

It's indeed amazing to see how many of the previously OP Dragon Knights and Sorcerers have re-rolled to various forms of the Nightblade.

Scrubs, all of them.

@Artjuh90: Stunlocking is nothing Nightblade specific. Doing a lot of damage is nothing Nightblade specific. Waiting at a chokepoint to gank is nothing Nightblade specific. Nothing of what you mentioned is Nightblade specific.

Protip: Don't walk around known chokepoints without being ready to get jumped.

Preyfar

If they just reverted the changes to detection potions Nightblades would no longer be the problem that they are.

IrishGirlGamer

Detector wrote: »

Skill > unSkill

Don't cry - L2P.

I completely agree with this statement.

I have two characters. One is a nightblade, the other a stamina templar. The nightblade ... yeah. I made a joke on the forum last night to the effect that when my nightblade goes to Cyrodiil, people buy her cookies. In truth, my nightblade has no problem finding a group on PvP. Two of us, nightblades, can cloak, stun and finish parties twice our size. Thank you, Zenimax, for ambush!

My templar - always alone. Always.

So yeah, @Detector is right. L2P the mechanics of the game. And the mechanics of the game, give you two options:

(1) Roll a nightblade or

(2) run with a group - or even better, run a zerg.

Because if the ganking, nightblade-infested, zergfest of a PvP is what Zenimax wants to deliver to you in terms of a PvP game, then @Detector is right: you have to play the mechanics.

I really suck at PvP and I can do wonderful things with my mightblade (see what I did there?) It is, by far, the easiest class to play with the most game options (magicka v. stamina).

Tallowby wrote: »

Detector wrote: »

Skill > unSkill

Don't cry - L2P.

4 > 1

There is no skill here

Of course there isn't. At this point, the solution is basic math. How much damage can your group do to a single player before they can do damage to you.

And if your four nightblade group ganks a single player and they turn the tables on you, then really, you deserve whatever they do to you.