DragonKnight Buffs in the upcoming DLC

DangerMan · January 2016

olsborg wrote: »

stamdk doesnt need a buff, but magicka dk does, thats a tricky problem to solve.

Stam DK need a buff for end-game PvE. Not everyone only plays PvP.. As of right now, 99% Stam DKs can't even complete VMA on console..

DangerMan · January 2016

Anhedonie wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

If Stam Dks get another buff I might cry. And as for no class abilities? Start using igneous weapons.

Where is a dk on this picture? This could be anybody.

He's assuming that since the heavy attack hit for 16k, it has to be a Stam DK using Molten Armaments..

AfkNinja · January 2016

Anhedonie wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

If Stam Dks get another buff I might cry. And as for no class abilities? Start using igneous weapons.

Where is a dk on this picture? This could be anybody.

Heavy attack : 16,000 dmg. It was def a Stamina DK.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

DangerMan wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

If Stam Dks get another buff I might cry. And as for no class abilities? Start using igneous weapons.

Wait what? One heavy attack (yes, I use molten armaments) and you think they're over powered? And that too when you're low on health. It's not that damaging if the other guy is not on low health already..

You're missing the real problem here - the fact that most of us are forced to use weapon skills (as proven by your screenshot) rather than class skills!

Also, my problem is PvE, not PvP..

UHM w8 just w8. you complain about stam dks dps when there is not a single damage abilty of dk on your deathcap. maybe he used molten armaments but it is a sort of exectute with a heavy atk and if you block a heavy attack you set someone off balance?

MaxwellC · January 2016

Lol this guy still preaching that "stam dk is the best 1 v 1 build in all of ESO" story again. If I recall correctly his entire theory was around the 2 good passives we get which was mountains blessing and battle roar. Like someone else stated let's go through the rest of the passives and compare them with other classes please.

Stam DK is only 1 v 1 when they go 1H+Shield rocking the new meta which is ransack,reverb, and bash animation cancel; Thats literally it.
Sorry two DoT stamina morphs that get double wrecked thanks to CP does nothing for us. We just WB all day and use flawless breaker/leaps all day.

DangerMan · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

If Stam Dks get another buff I might cry. And as for no class abilities? Start using igneous weapons.

Wait what? One heavy attack (yes, I use molten armaments) and you think they're over powered? And that too when you're low on health. It's not that damaging if the other guy is not on low health already..

You're missing the real problem here - the fact that most of us are forced to use weapon skills (as proven by your screenshot) rather than class skills!

Also, my problem is PvE, not PvP..

UHM w8 just w8. you complain about stam dks dps when there is not a single damage abilty of dk on your deathcap. maybe he used molten armaments but it is a sort of exectute with a heavy atk and if you block a heavy attack you set someone off balance?

You're quoting the wrong guy.. I'm not the one who uploaded the death recap and complained about DK. I'm the OP asking for DK buffs.. I pointed out the same thing as you to the guy who uploaded the death recap..

DangerMan · January 2016

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Lol this guy still preaching that "stam dk is the best 1 v 1 build in all of ESO" story again. If I recall correctly his entire theory was around the 2 good passives we get which was mountains blessing and battle roar. Like someone else stated let's go through the rest of the passives and compare them with other classes please.

Stam DK is only 1 v 1 when they go 1H+Shield rocking the new meta which is ransack,reverb, and bash animation cancel; Thats literally it.
Sorry two DoT stamina morphs that get double wrecked thanks to CP does nothing for us. We just WB all day and use flawless breaker/leaps all day.

Yup, I don't understand what their logic is behind calling "stam dk is the best 1 v 1 build in all of ESO". Even the 1H+Shield meta only work on PC since you can bind it to a key.. On consoles it's really hard to pull it off properly..

Sausage · January 2016

Hopefully they wont over do it, Ive seen some really amazing DKs on PS4, like Nastyxx, xs are numbers what I cant remember now. Not to mention its not hard to tank 10 guy with good DK tank.

D0ntevenL1ft · January 2016

DangerMan wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Lol this guy still preaching that "stam dk is the best 1 v 1 build in all of ESO" story again. If I recall correctly his entire theory was around the 2 good passives we get which was mountains blessing and battle roar. Like someone else stated let's go through the rest of the passives and compare them with other classes please.

Stam DK is only 1 v 1 when they go 1H+Shield rocking the new meta which is ransack,reverb, and bash animation cancel; Thats literally it.
Sorry two DoT stamina morphs that get double wrecked thanks to CP does nothing for us. We just WB all day and use flawless breaker/leaps all day.

Yup, I don't understand what their logic is behind calling "stam dk is the best 1 v 1 build in all of ESO". Even the 1H+Shield meta only work on PC since you can bind it to a key.. On consoles it's really hard to pull it off properly..

Thank you about time someone mentioned this. Playing a DK on console is not the same as playing one on PC because we don't have any stam regen while bash cancelling. Therefore all of this nonsense about DK rankings in PVP do not apply because its much easier to roll a NB or a sorc on console.

Bashev · January 2016

olsborg wrote: »

stamdk doesnt need a buff, but magicka dk does, thats a tricky problem to solve.

I really would like to see some changes in Green Dragon Blood:
1) the skill should not be effected by the battle spirit reduced healing
2) Major Fortitude should be changed with flat amount of health recovery (scales with magicka and spell damage) min 100 health recovery and max 800 health recovery.
3) Major Endurance should be changed with - restore X stamina every 2 seconds (scales with max magicka and spell damage) min 100 stamina and max 800 stamina.

This change should increase severely the magicka DKs survivability in PvP.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

Bashev wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

stamdk doesnt need a buff, but magicka dk does, thats a tricky problem to solve.

I really would like to see some changes in Green Dragon Blood:
1) the skill should not be effected by the battle spirit reduced healing
2) Major Fortitude should be changed with flat amount of health recovery (scales with magicka and spell damage) min 100 health recovery and max 800 health recovery.
3) Major Endurance should be changed with - restore X stamina every 2 seconds (scales with max magicka and spell damage) min 100 stamina and max 800 stamina.

This change should increase severely the magicka DKs survivability in PvP.

green dragonblood should be the stam dk's morph. you have cougaliting

templesus · January 2016

Anhedonie wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

If Stam Dks get another buff I might cry. And as for no class abilities? Start using igneous weapons.

Where is a dk on this picture? This could be anybody.

Yea, anybody could hit for a 16k heavy attack. It was a dk noted by the flappies when I fought him

leepalmer95 · January 2016

Sausage wrote: »

Hopefully they wont over do it, Ive seen some really amazing DKs on PS4, like Nastyxx, xs are numbers what I cant remember now. Not to mention its not hard to tank 10 guy with good DK tank.

Any class can tank a lot of people if fully dedicated to tanking.

Hence why you see those annoying nb sap/soul tether/proxy det tanks in IC.

But just tanking is all they will do.

Bashev · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

stamdk doesnt need a buff, but magicka dk does, thats a tricky problem to solve.

I really would like to see some changes in Green Dragon Blood:
1) the skill should not be effected by the battle spirit reduced healing
2) Major Fortitude should be changed with flat amount of health recovery (scales with magicka and spell damage) min 100 health recovery and max 800 health recovery.
3) Major Endurance should be changed with - restore X stamina every 2 seconds (scales with max magicka and spell damage) min 100 stamina and max 800 stamina.

This change should increase severely the magicka DKs survivability in PvP.

green dragonblood should be the stam dk's morph. you have cougaliting

Stamina DKs do not need that skill.

Zinaroth · January 2016

Lightninvash wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

Stam DKs are possibly the best Stam class, I agree, but stam classes in general are pretty bad. And on console the DK leaderboards are pretty much empty. There's people on it with scores 200 or so (I'm assuming they're mostly Magicka DKs too).

Is the stam DK in your guild using Maelstrom Daggers? That's the only way I've seen anyone pull more than 25k DPS.. If not, could you tell me what his rotation looks like?

I couldn't but you can ask him yourself, his name is @Xantaria, don't know if he's willing to share but he is pretty knowledgeable.

Ah okay, yes I've seen his DPS chart that he posted a little while back.. It had like 22k DPS, but it mainly used a lot of DoTs. So I'm pretty sure he was using DW with Maelstrom Daggers. I've been wanting to make a DoT build of my own since ages but I can't because I can't do VMA on my stupid Stam DK to get the Daggers.. :S

EDIT: Also, I don't know what his max DPS has been on this build. But I've seen Magicka Sorcs pull 30k+ DPS.. I can't wait for damage charts on console so that I know what DPS I'm doing right now.. I might be pretty well off already and not know it lol

I am not part of the group currently pushing times in trials but I can only relay what I have heard and that is that his damage is up there with the Overload sorcs so maybe he improved since you saw it. You could try PMing him here on forums.

I can't send him a PM apparently (maybe cause I'm new to the forums), but I wrote a message on his activity wall or whatever it is..

or even try lefty_lucy because lefty makes some amazing builds and seems very knowledgeable about these things

No offense to Lefty because he is a great PvPer, but he is not really the person the OP should be seeking out if he is focusing on PvE. For Stam DK PvP Lefty is definately a knowledgeable person however.

Anhedonie wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

If Stam Dks get another buff I might cry. And as for no class abilities? Start using igneous weapons.

Where is a dk on this picture? This could be anybody.

I agree it is a stupid picture to link as some kind of proof that Stamina DK being strong when all we see are weapon abilities.

But if we look past that we all know the Stamina DKs force doesn't come from it's great offense like with NBs and Magicka Sorcs, it comes from its strong array of defensive skills and passives, and great utility. We all know that proper dueling isn't about bursting your opponent down like in open world, it is about wearing him down, and the Stamina DK does this better than no other build at the moment. People are quick to jump to the conclusion that Stamina NB and Magicka Sorc are the strongest builds right now solely based on the fact that they have great burst and movement/escapes. This certainly serves them very well in open world also called 1vX, which is where most people encounter them. So I can understand that people jump to this conclusion, however most people don't really attend dueling tournaments or dueling sessions in general, or they would see builds like the Stamina DK or Magicka NB perform really well.

As for Stamina Sorcs, Magicka DKs, Stamina Templars and to some extent Magicka Templars, those are the builds that really need some help at the moment and seem to be underperforming both in 1v1, 1vX and with exception of the Magicka DK as DPS inside trials, they all suffer in PvE aswell.

Callous2208 · January 2016

Lets keep things in perspective here people. It could always be worse... you could be a stamplar.

Meshal · January 2016

DangerMan wrote: »

Meshal wrote: »

your actually wrong, Stamina dk is one of the best dds in the game right now.

Do you have any numbers to back that up? Only way I can see that happening is if the DK uses DoTs with Maelstrom Daggers. And even then, I think a Magicka Sorc can out-DPS them..

I don't really play stam dk myself because I never do pvp, and caltrops is required for all stam builds. that's why i only play magika ^_^ . Although, I've been with guild members and they've been playing as stam dk and it's awesome. here is a video showing how good dk dps is from a great player: I don't know though his exact build.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nFq9m5RNA4

spawn_to_kill · January 2016

DangerMan wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

KramUzibra wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.

I completely agree! I have a stam dk and I don't hit as hard as my sister who is a stam nightblade. When she is in stealth with a bow or wb after buffing up she one shots players with ease. DKs are most definitely not the master stam race.

last i check a dk using molten armaments + camo hunter hits liek a truck in stealth. except vs those 7/7 light armor sorc who you will hit less then a 7/7 heavy armor without shields

It's good in PvP only when you're in stealth.. If you get stuck out, you have no escape skills whatsoever.. Plus it's not that damaging if the other guy is not on low health already..

Also, my problem is PvE related, not PvP..

I use bow for escape if you dodge roll there is a passive that increases speed so you can leave, and i get a 15700 tooltip snipe with degeneration

spawn_to_kill · January 2016

@Alcast probably best for advice on dks

Xantaria · January 2016

Well ...

http://imgur.com/bT4U3oh

This is over a month old at this point I believe. By now I can hit 32k+.

My build is different from the build Fear Turbo uses and does considerably more damage.

This can compete quite well with Magicka Sorcs / DKs

Niaver · January 2016

As a StamDK you don't even use DK's abilities. They are powerful because stamina is powerful, because medium armor is powerful, because 2h is powerful. They can use only two dots.

AfkNinja · January 2016

I think the Stamina DK meta is based more on the fact that with DK passives Rally/Vigor will be 40-50% stronger than all other stamina classes. Combined with the only physical dmg ultimate and great defensive skills/passives this results in a well balanced stamina class with good healing and defense. They excel in 1v1 for a reason.

DangerMan · January 2016

Bashev wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

stamdk doesnt need a buff, but magicka dk does, thats a tricky problem to solve.

I really would like to see some changes in Green Dragon Blood:
1) the skill should not be effected by the battle spirit reduced healing
2) Major Fortitude should be changed with flat amount of health recovery (scales with magicka and spell damage) min 100 health recovery and max 800 health recovery.
3) Major Endurance should be changed with - restore X stamina every 2 seconds (scales with max magicka and spell damage) min 100 stamina and max 800 stamina.

This change should increase severely the magicka DKs survivability in PvP.

green dragonblood should be the stam dk's morph. you have cougaliting

Stamina DKs do not need that skill.

Magicka DKs have no use for it.. So what you're saying is that GDB is a useless skill?

Artjuh90 · January 2016

spawn_to_kill wrote: »

@Alcast probably best for advice on dks

I think he plays stam sorc, at least for what i remember from his posts

Niaver wrote: »

As a StamDK you don't even use DK's abilities. They are powerful because stamina is powerful, because medium armor is powerful, because 2h is powerful. They can use only two dots.

dk's have great passives

DangerMan · January 2016

Meshal wrote: »

DangerMan wrote: »

Meshal wrote: »

your actually wrong, Stamina dk is one of the best dds in the game right now.

Do you have any numbers to back that up? Only way I can see that happening is if the DK uses DoTs with Maelstrom Daggers. And even then, I think a Magicka Sorc can out-DPS them..

I don't really play stam dk myself because I never do pvp, and caltrops is required for all stam builds. that's why i only play magika ^_^ . Although, I've been with guild members and they've been playing as stam dk and it's awesome. here is a video showing how good dk dps is from a great player: I don't know though his exact build.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nFq9m5RNA4

Look at his bar and weapons - I can guarantee you he's using Maelstrom Daggers. That's the build I'm aiming for, but there's no way I can complete VMA on my Stam DK right now.. Your guildmate's build will not do that much DPS if he didn't have Maelstrom Daggers..

spawn_to_kill · January 2016

Niaver wrote: »

As a StamDK you don't even use DK's abilities. They are powerful because stamina is powerful, because medium armor is powerful, because 2h is powerful. They can use only two dots.

exactly i use 2 dk moves igneous shield and take flight

DangerMan · January 2016

Xantaria wrote: »

Well ...

http://imgur.com/bT4U3oh

This is over a month old at this point I believe. By now I can hit 32k+.

My build is different from the build Fear Turbo uses and does considerably more damage.

This can compete quite well with Magicka Sorcs / DKs

Yup, but the problem I'm running into is that I can't get the weapons I need to perfect that build.. There's no way I'll get VMA done on my Stam DK on console.. That's why I have to spam WB or Slashes with my DoTs right now, and that's not very effective :S

spawn_to_kill · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

spawn_to_kill wrote: »

@Alcast probably best for advice on dks

I think he plays stam sorc, at least for what i remember from his posts

Niaver wrote: »

As a StamDK you don't even use DK's abilities. They are powerful because stamina is powerful, because medium armor is powerful, because 2h is powerful. They can use only two dots.

dk's have great passives

no checkhis youtube bullseye build

spawn_to_kill · January 2016

danger man might sound funny if not you but does handy hock mean anything to you?

DangerMan · January 2016

spawn_to_kill wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

spawn_to_kill wrote: »

@Alcast probably best for advice on dks

I think he plays stam sorc, at least for what i remember from his posts

Niaver wrote: »

As a StamDK you don't even use DK's abilities. They are powerful because stamina is powerful, because medium armor is powerful, because 2h is powerful. They can use only two dots.

dk's have great passives

no checkhis youtube bullseye build

Bullseye build is only for PvP. I've talked to Alcast already (about a month back). His PvE build is based on Maelstrom Daggers and DoTs..