They need to be careful what they do with DKs. While magica may beef a buff, stam DKs are insanely strong as it is already.
Of course, my stam Dk wouldn't turn down a buff
If you're talking about PvP, Stam DKs are not strong - it's 2H (Crit Rush, WB) and Medium Armor Passive that are strong. Most Stam DKs only use Leap or CCs in PvP from their skill trees.
If you're talking about PvE, Stam DKs can barely compete in end-game stuff.
None of my other characters can drop a huge damage physical Ult to a group of people and CC them. That can almost wipe small groups alone.
My stam Dk out performs my stam Sorc even though they both use 2h as primary dps.
Yes, Stam DKs are one of the strongest Stam users in PvP - they mostly just lack mobility (lack of an escape skill). And you could argue they can't use any skills from their trees for high burst DPS (most use 2H skills or S&B)
But my problem is with end-game PvE
Lightninvash wrote: »They need to be careful what they do with DKs. While magica may beef a buff, stam DKs are insanely strong as it is already.
Of course, my stam Dk wouldn't turn down a buff
If you're talking about PvP, Stam DKs are not strong - it's 2H (Crit Rush, WB) and Medium Armor Passive that are strong. Most Stam DKs only use Leap or CCs in PvP from their skill trees.
If you're talking about PvE, Stam DKs can barely compete in end-game stuff.
None of my other characters can drop a huge damage physical Ult to a group of people and CC them. That can almost wipe small groups alone.
My stam Dk out performs my stam Sorc even though they both use 2h as primary dps.
Yes, Stam DKs are one of the strongest Stam users in PvP - they mostly just lack mobility (lack of an escape skill). And you could argue they can't use any skills from their trees for high burst DPS (most use 2H skills or S&B)
But my problem is with end-game PvE
see the thing is if you go dps you need aoe dps so I run 2h/bow another good one is 2h/dw dw has great aoefor the dps you need and ofc more dmg cus 2 weps. and 2h has very good 1 target abilities and ofc rally. idk what you use but I recommend bow or dw with 2h unless you tank then go s&b
nicab16_ESO wrote: »Templars have the worst damage, let's buff DKs.
Lightninvash wrote: »They need to be careful what they do with DKs. While magica may beef a buff, stam DKs are insanely strong as it is already.
Of course, my stam Dk wouldn't turn down a buff
If you're talking about PvP, Stam DKs are not strong - it's 2H (Crit Rush, WB) and Medium Armor Passive that are strong. Most Stam DKs only use Leap or CCs in PvP from their skill trees.
If you're talking about PvE, Stam DKs can barely compete in end-game stuff.
None of my other characters can drop a huge damage physical Ult to a group of people and CC them. That can almost wipe small groups alone.
My stam Dk out performs my stam Sorc even though they both use 2h as primary dps.
Yes, Stam DKs are one of the strongest Stam users in PvP - they mostly just lack mobility (lack of an escape skill). And you could argue they can't use any skills from their trees for high burst DPS (most use 2H skills or S&B)
But my problem is with end-game PvE
see the thing is if you go dps you need aoe dps so I run 2h/bow another good one is 2h/dw dw has great aoefor the dps you need and ofc more dmg cus 2 weps. and 2h has very good 1 target abilities and ofc rally. idk what you use but I recommend bow or dw with 2h unless you tank then go s&b
Mentioned in a previous comment too, I use 2H as my main, and DW or Bow for DoTs and AoEs, depending upon the boss fight..
nicab16_ESO wrote: »Templars have the worst damage, let's buff DKs.
Why not both?
nicab16_ESO wrote: »Templars have the worst damage, let's buff DKs.
Why not both?
Exactly what I was going to say. Just because one class is worse off than the other doesn't mean both can't be fixed..
And I see tonnes of thread asking for a nerf to NBs. I feel that instead of nerfing classes, weaker ones should be buffed to level the playing field..
nicab16_ESO wrote: »Templars have the worst damage, let's buff DKs.
Why not both?
Exactly what I was going to say. Just because one class is worse off than the other doesn't mean both can't be fixed..
And I see tonnes of thread asking for a nerf to NBs. I feel that instead of nerfing classes, weaker ones should be buffed to level the playing field..
Lightninvash wrote: »Lightninvash wrote: »They need to be careful what they do with DKs. While magica may beef a buff, stam DKs are insanely strong as it is already.
Of course, my stam Dk wouldn't turn down a buff
If you're talking about PvP, Stam DKs are not strong - it's 2H (Crit Rush, WB) and Medium Armor Passive that are strong. Most Stam DKs only use Leap or CCs in PvP from their skill trees.
If you're talking about PvE, Stam DKs can barely compete in end-game stuff.
None of my other characters can drop a huge damage physical Ult to a group of people and CC them. That can almost wipe small groups alone.
My stam Dk out performs my stam Sorc even though they both use 2h as primary dps.
Yes, Stam DKs are one of the strongest Stam users in PvP - they mostly just lack mobility (lack of an escape skill). And you could argue they can't use any skills from their trees for high burst DPS (most use 2H skills or S&B)
But my problem is with end-game PvE
see the thing is if you go dps you need aoe dps so I run 2h/bow another good one is 2h/dw dw has great aoefor the dps you need and ofc more dmg cus 2 weps. and 2h has very good 1 target abilities and ofc rally. idk what you use but I recommend bow or dw with 2h unless you tank then go s&b
Mentioned in a previous comment too, I use 2H as my main, and DW or Bow for DoTs and AoEs, depending upon the boss fight..
I feel as if Dot are just ok as far as damage goes. It could come down to just the skill setup you run with or the timing. Do you animation cancel?
Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
Stam DKs are possibly the best Stam class, I agree, but stam classes in general are pretty bad. And on console the DK leaderboards are pretty much empty. There's people on it with scores 200 or so (I'm assuming they're mostly Magicka DKs too).
Is the stam DK in your guild using Maelstrom Daggers? That's the only way I've seen anyone pull more than 25k DPS.. If not, could you tell me what his rotation looks like?
Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.
KramUzibra wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.
I completely agree! I have a stam dk and I don't hit as hard as my sister who is a stam nightblade. When she is in stealth with a bow or wb after buffing up she one shots players with ease. DKs are most definitely not the master stam race.
your actually wrong, Stamina dk is one of the best dds in the game right now.
Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
Stam DKs are possibly the best Stam class, I agree, but stam classes in general are pretty bad. And on console the DK leaderboards are pretty much empty. There's people on it with scores 200 or so (I'm assuming they're mostly Magicka DKs too).
Is the stam DK in your guild using Maelstrom Daggers? That's the only way I've seen anyone pull more than 25k DPS.. If not, could you tell me what his rotation looks like?
I couldn't but you can ask him yourself, his name is @Xantaria, don't know if he's willing to share but he is pretty knowledgeable.
KramUzibra wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.
I completely agree! I have a stam dk and I don't hit as hard as my sister who is a stam nightblade. When she is in stealth with a bow or wb after buffing up she one shots players with ease. DKs are most definitely not the master stam race.
Lightninvash wrote: »Lightninvash wrote: »They need to be careful what they do with DKs. While magica may beef a buff, stam DKs are insanely strong as it is already.
Of course, my stam Dk wouldn't turn down a buff
If you're talking about PvP, Stam DKs are not strong - it's 2H (Crit Rush, WB) and Medium Armor Passive that are strong. Most Stam DKs only use Leap or CCs in PvP from their skill trees.
If you're talking about PvE, Stam DKs can barely compete in end-game stuff.
None of my other characters can drop a huge damage physical Ult to a group of people and CC them. That can almost wipe small groups alone.
My stam Dk out performs my stam Sorc even though they both use 2h as primary dps.
Yes, Stam DKs are one of the strongest Stam users in PvP - they mostly just lack mobility (lack of an escape skill). And you could argue they can't use any skills from their trees for high burst DPS (most use 2H skills or S&B)
But my problem is with end-game PvE
see the thing is if you go dps you need aoe dps so I run 2h/bow another good one is 2h/dw dw has great aoefor the dps you need and ofc more dmg cus 2 weps. and 2h has very good 1 target abilities and ofc rally. idk what you use but I recommend bow or dw with 2h unless you tank then go s&b
Mentioned in a previous comment too, I use 2H as my main, and DW or Bow for DoTs and AoEs, depending upon the boss fight..
I feel as if Dot are just ok as far as damage goes. It could come down to just the skill setup you run with or the timing. Do you animation cancel?
Yes, I do animation cancelling with heavy attacks. And I feel as a Stam DK, DoTs are necessary to get your DPS up - you can't just stand there spamming WB or Rapid Strikes with heavy attack cancellation.. I mean it'll be fine in regular old dungeons, but not in vWGT or vICP (esp Ibomez)..
Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
Stam DKs are possibly the best Stam class, I agree, but stam classes in general are pretty bad. And on console the DK leaderboards are pretty much empty. There's people on it with scores 200 or so (I'm assuming they're mostly Magicka DKs too).
Is the stam DK in your guild using Maelstrom Daggers? That's the only way I've seen anyone pull more than 25k DPS.. If not, could you tell me what his rotation looks like?
I couldn't but you can ask him yourself, his name is @Xantaria, don't know if he's willing to share but he is pretty knowledgeable.
Ah okay, yes I've seen his DPS chart that he posted a little while back.. It had like 22k DPS, but it mainly used a lot of DoTs. So I'm pretty sure he was using DW with Maelstrom Daggers. I've been wanting to make a DoT build of my own since ages but I can't because I can't do VMA on my stupid Stam DK to get the Daggers.. :S
EDIT: Also, I don't know what his max DPS has been on this build. But I've seen Magicka Sorcs pull 30k+ DPS.. I can't wait for damage charts on console so that I know what DPS I'm doing right now.. I might be pretty well off already and not know it lol
People complaining about stam dk even though it's fotm in pvp and incredibly good in pve.. Sure go ahead.
Magicka DK needs love (pvpwise), stamina is doing more than fine.
Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
Stam DKs are possibly the best Stam class, I agree, but stam classes in general are pretty bad. And on console the DK leaderboards are pretty much empty. There's people on it with scores 200 or so (I'm assuming they're mostly Magicka DKs too).
Is the stam DK in your guild using Maelstrom Daggers? That's the only way I've seen anyone pull more than 25k DPS.. If not, could you tell me what his rotation looks like?
I couldn't but you can ask him yourself, his name is @Xantaria, don't know if he's willing to share but he is pretty knowledgeable.
Ah okay, yes I've seen his DPS chart that he posted a little while back.. It had like 22k DPS, but it mainly used a lot of DoTs. So I'm pretty sure he was using DW with Maelstrom Daggers. I've been wanting to make a DoT build of my own since ages but I can't because I can't do VMA on my stupid Stam DK to get the Daggers.. :S
EDIT: Also, I don't know what his max DPS has been on this build. But I've seen Magicka Sorcs pull 30k+ DPS.. I can't wait for damage charts on console so that I know what DPS I'm doing right now.. I might be pretty well off already and not know it lol
I am not part of the group currently pushing times in trials but I can only relay what I have heard and that is that his damage is up there with the Overload sorcs so maybe he improved since you saw it. You could try PMing him here on forums.
Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
Stam DKs are possibly the best Stam class, I agree, but stam classes in general are pretty bad. And on console the DK leaderboards are pretty much empty. There's people on it with scores 200 or so (I'm assuming they're mostly Magicka DKs too).
Is the stam DK in your guild using Maelstrom Daggers? That's the only way I've seen anyone pull more than 25k DPS.. If not, could you tell me what his rotation looks like?
I couldn't but you can ask him yourself, his name is @Xantaria, don't know if he's willing to share but he is pretty knowledgeable.
Ah okay, yes I've seen his DPS chart that he posted a little while back.. It had like 22k DPS, but it mainly used a lot of DoTs. So I'm pretty sure he was using DW with Maelstrom Daggers. I've been wanting to make a DoT build of my own since ages but I can't because I can't do VMA on my stupid Stam DK to get the Daggers.. :S
EDIT: Also, I don't know what his max DPS has been on this build. But I've seen Magicka Sorcs pull 30k+ DPS.. I can't wait for damage charts on console so that I know what DPS I'm doing right now.. I might be pretty well off already and not know it lol
I am not part of the group currently pushing times in trials but I can only relay what I have heard and that is that his damage is up there with the Overload sorcs so maybe he improved since you saw it. You could try PMing him here on forums.
I can't send him a PM apparently (maybe cause I'm new to the forums), but I wrote a message on his activity wall or whatever it is..
People complaining about stam dk even though it's fotm in pvp and incredibly good in pve.. Sure go ahead.
Magicka DK needs love (pvpwise), stamina is doing more than fine.
How is DK FotM? My DK quest takes ages to fill - it's all about NBs now in PvP. It used to be great, but not anymore after they got nerfed hard.
As for PvE, I've seen Magicka Sorcs do so much damage more DPS than DKs. Pretty much most Magicka guys can do more DPS than any Stam toons (Stam DKs are best though in Stam)..
KramUzibra wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.
I completely agree! I have a stam dk and I don't hit as hard as my sister who is a stam nightblade. When she is in stealth with a bow or wb after buffing up she one shots players with ease. DKs are most definitely not the master stam race.
If Stam Dks get another buff I might cry. And as for no class abilities? Start using igneous weapons.
If Stam Dks get another buff I might cry. And as for no class abilities? Start using igneous weapons.
Wait what? One heavy attack (yes, I use molten armaments) and you think they're over powered? You're missing the real problem here - the fact that most of us are forced to use weapon skills (as proven by your screenshot) rather than class skills!
KramUzibra wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.
I completely agree! I have a stam dk and I don't hit as hard as my sister who is a stam nightblade. When she is in stealth with a bow or wb after buffing up she one shots players with ease. DKs are most definitely not the master stam race.
last i check a dk using molten armaments + camo hunter hits liek a truck in stealth. except vs those 7/7 light armor sorc who you will hit less then a 7/7 heavy armor without shields