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DragonKnight Buffs in the upcoming DLC

DangerMan
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I'm sorry if this is not the right place to post this - I literally got access to the forums and hour back (I'm a console player).

There was talk about DKs getting a buff in this upcoming patch, and hopefully we'll get a better idea once the patch hits PTS next week or so.

Though, has ZOS announced what these buffs would be?

As a Stam DK, I'm tired of not being able to properly participate in solo end-game content (VMA), or needing a carry DPS to get through vWGT and vICP.. My stats are above average I'd like to think (4300 weapon damage, 38k Stamina, 20k Health, 65% Crit) and I can hold my own, but it sucks when a Sorc can just pull out overload and do more DPS than you even though you're using 4 or 5 DoTs, and spamming skills with it..
Flawless MagSorc DPS
StamDK DPS
MagTemp DPS
StamSorc DPS
MagDK DPS
DK Tank
MagNB PvP
StamNB PvP

  • Ghost-Shot
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    Magicka DK master race!

    Also obligatory #buffsorcs for @Force-Siphon
  • Zinaroth
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    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.
  • DangerMan
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    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Magicka DK master race!

    Magicka DK hits like a wet noodle in PvP (even though I've stopped doing PvP on my DK now). I used to be Magicka DK with 4k+ Spell Damage, but still couldn't do anything properly in PvP, even 1v1s..

    Plus as Stam I feel I'm doing more damage is PvE also. Magicka DKs only have Molten Whip as their spammable skill with their DoTs. As a Stam DK I can still use my my DoTs, but use Rending Slashes, Rapid Strikes, or even Wrecking Blow as my spammable.

    I don't have the numbers since I'm on console, but from what I can see, it feels like I do more damage as a Stam DK..
    Flawless MagSorc DPS
    StamDK DPS
    MagTemp DPS
    StamSorc DPS
    MagDK DPS
    DK Tank
    MagNB PvP
    StamNB PvP

  • Kr3do
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    Zinaroth wrote: »
    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

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  • timidobserver
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    The Warmth passive will last 2% longer.
    V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
    V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
    V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
    V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
    V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)

  • Ghost-Shot
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    DangerMan wrote: »
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Magicka DK master race!

    Magicka DK hits like a wet noodle in PvP (even though I've stopped doing PvP on my DK now). I used to be Magicka DK with 4k+ Spell Damage, but still couldn't do anything properly in PvP, even 1v1s..

    Plus as Stam I feel I'm doing more damage is PvE also. Magicka DKs only have Molten Whip as their spammable skill with their DoTs. As a Stam DK I can still use my my DoTs, but use Rending Slashes, Rapid Strikes, or even Wrecking Blow as my spammable.

    I don't have the numbers since I'm on console, but from what I can see, it feels like I do more damage as a Stam DK..

    Yeah magicka DK is not very good for solo play right now but they are decent for group play, though most spots filled by a magicka DK in a group could arguably be better filled by a magblade, ironic how much times have changed. The changes to talons/inhale that are supposed to come next patch will help and now we just need them to remove battle spirit from GDB and let us block again and we'll be in a very good place.

    WTB 1.5 private server, pst.
    Edited by Ghost-Shot on January 29, 2016 4:11PM
  • DangerMan
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    Zinaroth wrote: »
    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

    Stam DKs are possibly the best Stam class, I agree, but stam classes in general are pretty bad. And on console the DK leaderboards are pretty much empty. There's people on it with scores 200 or so (I'm assuming they're mostly Magicka DKs too).

    Is the stam DK in your guild using Maelstrom Daggers? That's the only way I've seen anyone pull more than 25k DPS.. If not, could you tell me what his rotation looks like?
    Flawless MagSorc DPS
    StamDK DPS
    MagTemp DPS
    StamSorc DPS
    MagDK DPS
    DK Tank
    MagNB PvP
    StamNB PvP

  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Zinaroth wrote: »
    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

    Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.
  • DangerMan
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    The Warmth passive will last 2% longer.

    Hahahah, if that's true, I think it's time I started leveling up a Sorc..
    Flawless MagSorc DPS
    StamDK DPS
    MagTemp DPS
    StamSorc DPS
    MagDK DPS
    DK Tank
    MagNB PvP
    StamNB PvP

  • r.jan_emailb16_ESO
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    Just wait until next week and read the patch notes...
    Lairgren | DC Dragonknight - August Palatine
    playing for eXile


    I'm done, CU somewhere else.
  • MarrazzMist
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    My main is stam dk, any puff would be great! Faster generation? Stamina heal?
  • Kr3do
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    My main is stam dk, any puff would be great! Faster generation? Stamina heal?

    Just use Vigor lol
  • DangerMan
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    Zinaroth wrote: »
    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

    Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.

    Exactly! I have to use 2H(WB) or DW(Slashes, Strikes) as my spammable skill. There's nothing I can use from the DK trees besides DoTs. Even the heals(GDB) suck now and I have to use Vigor..
    Flawless MagSorc DPS
    StamDK DPS
    MagTemp DPS
    StamSorc DPS
    MagDK DPS
    DK Tank
    MagNB PvP
    StamNB PvP

  • Brrrofski
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    They need to be careful what they do with DKs. While magica may beef a buff, stam DKs are insanely strong as it is already.

    Of course, my stam Dk wouldn't turn down a buff :)
  • Kr3do
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    DangerMan wrote: »
    Zinaroth wrote: »
    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

    Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.

    Exactly! I have to use 2H(WB) or DW(Slashes, Strikes) as my spammable skill. There's nothing I can use from the DK trees besides DoTs. Even the heals(GDB) suck now and I have to use Vigor..

    And whats the problem with that?
  • DangerMan
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    Brrrofski wrote: »
    They need to be careful what they do with DKs. While magica may beef a buff, stam DKs are insanely strong as it is already.

    Of course, my stam Dk wouldn't turn down a buff :)

    If you're talking about PvP, Stam DKs are not strong - it's 2H (Crit Rush, WB) and Medium Armor Passive that are strong. Most Stam DKs only use Leap or CCs in PvP from their skill trees.

    If you're talking about PvE, Stam DKs can barely compete in end-game stuff.
    Flawless MagSorc DPS
    StamDK DPS
    MagTemp DPS
    StamSorc DPS
    MagDK DPS
    DK Tank
    MagNB PvP
    StamNB PvP

  • Purdomination33
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    DangerMan wrote: »

    As a Stam DK, I'm tired of not being able to properly participate in solo end-game content (VMA), or needing a carry DPS to get through vWGT and vICP.. My stats are above average I'd like to think (4300 weapon damage, 38k Stamina, 20k Health, 65% Crit) and I can hold my own, but it sucks when a Sorc can just pull out overload and do more DPS than you even though you're using 4 or 5 DoTs, and spamming skills with it..

    Would you mind sharing your basic set up? That is some damn good DPS. Sounds like you use dual wield and 2H. Do you get the DPS from dual wield?

    Regarding StamDK as the best 1v1 class...I would learn how people manage the balance. Granted I am mediocre at best but slowly improving 1v1 skills. It feels like as a DK I cannot go all out DPS, thus sacrificing HP, and hope to match a NB or Sorc. Where I get held up is inflicting enough damage to kill but balancing that with enough HP to withstand instaburst damage. The HP is needed as DK's lack any mobility. Too often I need to hit a guy 1 more time but run out of Stamina. Or I get Spambushed and cannot use my ultimate due to the weird 'cannot use a skill after getting hit for some reason'.

    Always love hearing about how others run their Stam DK. Wish we had 1 more skill slot! 2H is not a real reliable main DPS for me. The skills take a while to pull off and the heavy/light attack is very awkward. So I use 2H/S&B, both bars hybrid between buff and DPS.
    Mediocre AD StamDK.
    BiS wine drinker.
    Award winning dog owner.
    Disappointing husband.
  • Anhedonie
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    Don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed when patch rolls out.
    Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.
  • DangerMan
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    Kr3do wrote: »
    DangerMan wrote: »
    Zinaroth wrote: »
    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

    Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.

    Exactly! I have to use 2H(WB) or DW(Slashes, Strikes) as my spammable skill. There's nothing I can use from the DK trees besides DoTs. Even the heals(GDB) suck now and I have to use Vigor..

    And whats the problem with that?

    The problem is that no matter what we do, we can't match the DPS of the Magicka classes in PvE, especially a Sorc. Stam DKs barely pass 25k DPS, and even for that they need Maelstrom Daggers.. Like I said, they can't properly participate in solo end-game content (VMA), or need a carry DPS to get through vWGT and vICP..
    Flawless MagSorc DPS
    StamDK DPS
    MagTemp DPS
    StamSorc DPS
    MagDK DPS
    DK Tank
    MagNB PvP
    StamNB PvP

  • Kr3do
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    DangerMan wrote: »
    Brrrofski wrote: »
    They need to be careful what they do with DKs. While magica may beef a buff, stam DKs are insanely strong as it is already.

    Of course, my stam Dk wouldn't turn down a buff :)

    If you're talking about PvP, Stam DKs are not strong - it's 2H (Crit Rush, WB) and Medium Armor Passive that are strong. Most Stam DKs only use Leap or CCs in PvP from their skill trees.

    If you're talking about PvE, Stam DKs can barely compete in end-game stuff.

    Wait what?

    As a Stam DK most players run 1h and Shield in PvP curently so no Crit Rush and no WB spam :p. And tgere are many good DK skills for PvP: Leap, Corosive Armor, Fiery Breath, Instable Flame, Igneous Shield and Volatile armor,
  • KramUzibra
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    Zinaroth wrote: »
    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

    Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.

    I completely agree! I have a stam dk and I don't hit as hard as my sister who is a stam nightblade. When she is in stealth with a bow or wb after buffing up she one shots players with ease. DKs are most definitely not the master stam race.
  • Kr3do
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    DangerMan wrote: »
    Kr3do wrote: »
    DangerMan wrote: »
    Zinaroth wrote: »
    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

    Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.

    Exactly! I have to use 2H(WB) or DW(Slashes, Strikes) as my spammable skill. There's nothing I can use from the DK trees besides DoTs. Even the heals(GDB) suck now and I have to use Vigor..

    And whats the problem with that?

    The problem is that no matter what we do, we can't match the DPS of the Magicka classes in PvE, especially a Sorc. Stam DKs barely pass 25k DPS, and even for that they need Maelstrom Daggers.. Like I said, they can't properly participate in solo end-game content (VMA), or need a carry DPS to get through vWGT and vICP..

    You dont need a carry DPS to get through vWGT or vICP i did both with 2 Stamina Templars or 1 Stamina Templar and 1 Stamina DK without any problems.
  • KramUzibra
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    Kr3do wrote: »
    My main is stam dk, any puff would be great! Faster generation? Stamina heal?

    Just use Vigor lol

    What if I don't play pvp?
  • DangerMan
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    Kr3do wrote: »
    DangerMan wrote: »
    Kr3do wrote: »
    DangerMan wrote: »
    Zinaroth wrote: »
    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

    Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.

    Exactly! I have to use 2H(WB) or DW(Slashes, Strikes) as my spammable skill. There's nothing I can use from the DK trees besides DoTs. Even the heals(GDB) suck now and I have to use Vigor..

    And whats the problem with that?

    The problem is that no matter what we do, we can't match the DPS of the Magicka classes in PvE, especially a Sorc. Stam DKs barely pass 25k DPS, and even for that they need Maelstrom Daggers.. Like I said, they can't properly participate in solo end-game content (VMA), or need a carry DPS to get through vWGT and vICP..

    You dont need a carry DPS to get through vWGT or vICP i did both with 2 Stamina Templars or 1 Stamina Templar and 1 Stamina DK without any problems.

    What skill rotation did you use on yout Stam DK?
    Flawless MagSorc DPS
    StamDK DPS
    MagTemp DPS
    StamSorc DPS
    MagDK DPS
    DK Tank
    MagNB PvP
    StamNB PvP

  • Kr3do
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    KramUzibra wrote: »
    Zinaroth wrote: »
    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

    Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.

    I completely agree! I have a stam dk and I don't hit as hard as my sister who is a stam nightblade. When she is in stealth with a bow or wb after buffing up she one shots players with ease. DKs are most definitely not the master stam race.

    And a DK can oneshot people with ease with Molten Armaments + Camo Hunter.
  • DangerMan
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    DangerMan wrote: »

    As a Stam DK, I'm tired of not being able to properly participate in solo end-game content (VMA), or needing a carry DPS to get through vWGT and vICP.. My stats are above average I'd like to think (4300 weapon damage, 38k Stamina, 20k Health, 65% Crit) and I can hold my own, but it sucks when a Sorc can just pull out overload and do more DPS than you even though you're using 4 or 5 DoTs, and spamming skills with it..

    Would you mind sharing your basic set up? That is some damn good DPS. Sounds like you use dual wield and 2H. Do you get the DPS from dual wield?

    Regarding StamDK as the best 1v1 class...I would learn how people manage the balance. Granted I am mediocre at best but slowly improving 1v1 skills. It feels like as a DK I cannot go all out DPS, thus sacrificing HP, and hope to match a NB or Sorc. Where I get held up is inflicting enough damage to kill but balancing that with enough HP to withstand instaburst damage. The HP is needed as DK's lack any mobility. Too often I need to hit a guy 1 more time but run out of Stamina. Or I get Spambushed and cannot use my ultimate due to the weird 'cannot use a skill after getting hit for some reason'.

    Always love hearing about how others run their Stam DK. Wish we had 1 more skill slot! 2H is not a real reliable main DPS for me. The skills take a while to pull off and the heavy/light attack is very awkward. So I use 2H/S&B, both bars hybrid between buff and DPS.

    Haha there's only 1 basic setup that all Stam DPS classes run - 5pc Hundings, 3pc Agility, 1 or 2pc Kena, and you can go Night mothers on the last pieces, or afflication set.

    And I use 2H as my main, and DW or Bow for my DoTs (depending on what type of boss fight it is).
    Flawless MagSorc DPS
    StamDK DPS
    MagTemp DPS
    StamSorc DPS
    MagDK DPS
    DK Tank
    MagNB PvP
    StamNB PvP

  • Kr3do
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    DangerMan wrote: »
    Kr3do wrote: »
    DangerMan wrote: »
    Kr3do wrote: »
    DangerMan wrote: »
    Zinaroth wrote: »
    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

    Enough about stamina dragon knights and stamina build already it is not the class that stamina builds are based off it is the weapon mostly likely a 2H and medium armor not the class. So want something to blame by getting killed by stamina blame the wrecking blow spam and medium armor not the class. There is only 2 stamina morphs for DKs and few passives that help with DPS in DKs passives and that's just to boost the fire DOTs.

    Exactly! I have to use 2H(WB) or DW(Slashes, Strikes) as my spammable skill. There's nothing I can use from the DK trees besides DoTs. Even the heals(GDB) suck now and I have to use Vigor..

    And whats the problem with that?

    The problem is that no matter what we do, we can't match the DPS of the Magicka classes in PvE, especially a Sorc. Stam DKs barely pass 25k DPS, and even for that they need Maelstrom Daggers.. Like I said, they can't properly participate in solo end-game content (VMA), or need a carry DPS to get through vWGT and vICP..

    You dont need a carry DPS to get through vWGT or vICP i did both with 2 Stamina Templars or 1 Stamina Templar and 1 Stamina DK without any problems.

    What skill rotation did you use on yout Stam DK?

    I play ma stam DK only in PvP so you have to ask someone else ^^
  • Lightninvash
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    Zinaroth wrote: »
    Stamina DKs currently pull off the best DPS numbers of all stamina builds, and are the second most effective stamina build for clearing vMA (second to stamblades). They also currently hold the best 1v1 build and are really good at 1vX. The stamina DK in our guild is competing with magicka sorcs on the DPS meter in trials.

    I would agree with this stam DK is very power heavy if built right ofc ;) as far as yours OP your build seems awesome(raw stats at least) :) but it may be the skills you use idk im just starting on my stam classes (mostly magicka user)
    Edited by Lightninvash on January 29, 2016 4:31PM
  • Brrrofski
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    DangerMan wrote: »
    Brrrofski wrote: »
    They need to be careful what they do with DKs. While magica may beef a buff, stam DKs are insanely strong as it is already.

    Of course, my stam Dk wouldn't turn down a buff :)

    If you're talking about PvP, Stam DKs are not strong - it's 2H (Crit Rush, WB) and Medium Armor Passive that are strong. Most Stam DKs only use Leap or CCs in PvP from their skill trees.

    If you're talking about PvE, Stam DKs can barely compete in end-game stuff.

    None of my other characters can drop a huge damage physical Ult to a group of people and CC them. That can almost wipe small groups alone.

    My stam Dk out performs my stam Sorc even though they both use 2h as primary dps.
  • DangerMan
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    Brrrofski wrote: »
    DangerMan wrote: »
    Brrrofski wrote: »
    They need to be careful what they do with DKs. While magica may beef a buff, stam DKs are insanely strong as it is already.

    Of course, my stam Dk wouldn't turn down a buff :)

    If you're talking about PvP, Stam DKs are not strong - it's 2H (Crit Rush, WB) and Medium Armor Passive that are strong. Most Stam DKs only use Leap or CCs in PvP from their skill trees.

    If you're talking about PvE, Stam DKs can barely compete in end-game stuff.

    None of my other characters can drop a huge damage physical Ult to a group of people and CC them. That can almost wipe small groups alone.

    My stam Dk out performs my stam Sorc even though they both use 2h as primary dps.

    Yes, Stam DKs are one of the strongest Stam users in PvP - they mostly just lack mobility (lack of an escape skill). And you could argue they can't use any skills from their trees for high burst DPS (most use 2H skills or S&B)

    But my problem is with end-game PvE :(
    Flawless MagSorc DPS
    StamDK DPS
    MagTemp DPS
    StamSorc DPS
    MagDK DPS
    DK Tank
    MagNB PvP
    StamNB PvP

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