Camo Hunter - Fix it already!

Imdrefan · January 2016

BuggeX wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We're not changing the ability, we are fixing the exploit as discussed in this thread.

so you will fix the whole stealth mechanic? or ruin the skill like you did with the chains cause you where never able to fix the actual Problem.....

I don't disagree with what you are saying but, GD we are a jaded community...

I wish ZOS would do something to alleviate that.

GreenSoup2HoT · January 2016

@Alcast

You boob, you didn't even read my comment. Sentry need's radiant mage light.

Also to mention, in bad lag it doesn't work well. Radiant Mage Light has a delay in between "pulse's" where it detect's the cloaked player's. If your lagging bad people can actually slip by you pretty easy. The only thing radiant mage light cannot detect is people using clouding swarm. Since RML is a pulse, clouding swarm user's just instantly go back invisible which suck's.

However Sentry set with Radiant Mage Light make's finding people sneaking so easy.

Alcast · January 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alcast

You boob, you didn't even read my comment. Sentry need's radiant mage light.

Also to mention, in bad lag it doesn't work well. Radiant Mage Light has a delay in between "pulse's" where it detect's the cloaked player's. If your lagging bad people can actually slip by you pretty easy. The only thing radiant mage light cannot detect is people using clouding swarm. Since RML is a pulse, clouding swarm user's just instantly go back invisible which suck's.

However Sentry set with Radiant Mage Light make's finding people sneaking so easy.

I tried Sentry with RML but NBs still cloaked in front of my face. Ye that impulse mechanic is ***....like it pulses every 0.5s, it is not instant and permanent sadly.
But last time I checked both sentry and RML do NOT reveal cloaked enemies, only hidden onces.

Dalsinthus · January 2016

From today's patch notes:

Guild
Fighters Guild
Camouflaged Hunter: Fixed an issue where the stealth damage proc would occur multiple times in specific circumstances.

Any idea what this means? Does this apply to dual weapon heavy attacks only or is this for other attacks that hit simultaneously from stealth, such as the bow heavy attack + silver shards combo?

Master_Kas · January 2016

Alcast wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alcast

You boob, you didn't even read my comment. Sentry need's radiant mage light.

Also to mention, in bad lag it doesn't work well. Radiant Mage Light has a delay in between "pulse's" where it detect's the cloaked player's. If your lagging bad people can actually slip by you pretty easy. The only thing radiant mage light cannot detect is people using clouding swarm. Since RML is a pulse, clouding swarm user's just instantly go back invisible which suck's.

However Sentry set with Radiant Mage Light make's finding people sneaking so easy.

I tried Sentry with RML but NBs still cloaked in front of my face. Ye that impulse mechanic is ***....like it pulses every 0.5s, it is not instant and permanent sadly.
But last time I checked both sentry and RML do NOT reveal cloaked enemies, only hidden onces.

RML reveals cloaked people too, not just hidden ones.

Can confirm and provide test footage if needed ^^ Use it daily when I roam in the sewers or when I'm solo and do alot of PvHorse

@DeanTheCat uses it on daily basis aswell, he runs it on both bars on his build. Can also confirm this ^^

imredneckson · January 2016

Alcast wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We're not changing the ability, we are fixing the exploit as discussed in this thread.

When you say "fixing the exploit", are you referring to "Camouflage Hunter" proc'ing more then once?

Duel Wield heavy attack's specifically?

Or the 0.5 second's of time where all ability's can take benefit from the stealth modifier thus proc'ing "Camouflage Hunter" for all attack's within this time?

Since you are not changing the ability, can i assume that you can still hit your enemy with the first stealth proc and have a chance for the 15% chance proc to happen as well?

What you said is a little vague because the exploit with "Camouflage Hunter" is proc'ing the ability more then once. However it technically can proc twice if you factor in the 15% chance with the stealth proc.

I'm just wondering what is actually being fixed here. Camouflage Hunter is not working as intended because there is no internal cool-down for the stealth 100% proc.

-Is there going to be a new Internal Cool-Down?
-Or is the 0.5 second's given for the stealth modifier being changed?
-Will only 1 attack from stealth benefit from the stealth modifier?

As a nightblade this is crucial information since we relie on this stealth modifier damage.

Will console need to wait till next dlc for this change?

I'd also like to add, it may be a good idea to talk to Wrobel to have the % chance to effect all other enemies bumped up to 10%

I do not think they know that themself, prolly after their "fix" we see 5 camo procs at once again because their non-existant "internal testing team" did such a great job.

Also it seems people dont f...get it, this Death recap is bugged and it prolly summed up all the *** abilities that you got hit with in 1 camo proc.

I got one shotted earlier on my Templar and all it showed was 18k or so damage on my death recap from Camo hunter I looks at my combat log and it showed the other attacks that the death recap didn't get

WRX · January 2016

Dalsinthus wrote: »

From today's patch notes:

Guild
Fighters Guild
Camouflaged Hunter: Fixed an issue where the stealth damage proc would occur multiple times in specific circumstances.

Any idea what this means? Does this apply to dual weapon heavy attacks only or is this for other attacks that hit simultaneously from stealth, such as the bow heavy attack + silver shards combo?

It means the stealth damage should not proc multiple times from stealth, at all, period. Because that as broken.

DW heavy attack is the exact same, if not worse, than bow heavy + silver shards.

GreenSoup2HoT · January 2016

@Alcast It defiantly work's for me at least. I play console... maybe there's a bug on pc? I've never had a problem with magicka nightblade's specifically. I can even tell they are spamming cloak like a crazy person.

It's only when I get UI bug's where this does not work. A lot of animation's bugg out and you can't see them, I'm guessing the usefulness of RML goes down the toilet after this animation break's.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

•Fighters Guild •Camouflaged Hunter: Fixed an issue where the stealth damage proc would occur multiple times in specific circumstances.

Glad to see you guy's at Zos really went into detail about what was wrong about camo hunter. Good job......

So does it only proc once now? It is still possible to proc multiple time's in specific circumstance's? This patch note couldn't be anymore vague.

Dalsinthus · January 2016

WRX wrote: »

Dalsinthus wrote: »

From today's patch notes:

Guild
Fighters Guild
Camouflaged Hunter: Fixed an issue where the stealth damage proc would occur multiple times in specific circumstances.

Any idea what this means? Does this apply to dual weapon heavy attacks only or is this for other attacks that hit simultaneously from stealth, such as the bow heavy attack + silver shards combo?

It means the stealth damage should not proc multiple times from stealth, at all, period. Because that as broken.

DW heavy attack is the exact same, if not worse, than bow heavy + silver shards.

I agree that this is what it should mean, but that the patch notes could not be any less clear about this.

Alcast · January 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alcast It defiantly work's for me at least. I play console... maybe there's a bug on pc? I've never had a problem with magicka nightblade's specifically. I can even tell they are spamming cloak like a crazy person.

It's only when I get UI bug's where this does not work. A lot of animation's bugg out and you can't see them, I'm getting the usefulness of RML goes down the toilet after this animation break's.

Ok I will def check it out again, my testing was prolly sloppy like always haha

GreenSoup2HoT · January 2016

@Alcast

Also just wanted to let you know.... I'm trying to spread the virus vampirism around like the plague! Muhuhahaha

o yeah, since your pc. could you see what they did to camo hunter for me? I cant really test what they did.

Alcast · January 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alcast

Also just wanted to let you know.... I'm trying to spread the virus vampirism around like the plague! Muhuhahaha

o yeah, since your pc. could you see what they did to camo hunter for me? I cant really test what they did.

I am on EU, patch will be applied tomorrow. I have seen a lot of vamps on other campaigns lately...guess have to reactivate Xeloki mode. Played a bit around with my StamNB and its *** OP. Still, more kills on Xeloki but just so much easier to play with NB endless resources.

Cinnamon_Spider · January 2016

@ZOS_GinaBruo Camo Hunter has not been changed in the slightest. I'm getting hit by someone that is doing so little damage with his actual skills, but is proccing Camo Hunter each time multiple times.

His Surprise Attack is critting for only 4k, but Camo is critting for 7k.

I don't understand why the extra Camo Hunter damage from stealth isn't just removed, if you can't get the stealth mechanics right. Isn't the 15% chance of a proc enough?

themdogesbite · January 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alcast It defiantly work's for me at least. I play console... maybe there's a bug on pc? I've never had a problem with magicka nightblade's specifically. I can even tell they are spamming cloak like a crazy person.

The only bug with sentry im aware of was that the 5 peice bonus applied on ALL targets regardless if they were sneaking hidden or not, this have been "fixed" though.

Vangy · January 2016

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1) sub 20k health unbuffed in cyro
2) 7/7 light armor
3) barely any impen gear ( everyone loves to stack 7/7 divines with some infused)
4) stack 40k magicka with 0 consideration for stam or health

What? you thought u could waltz around cyro as a glass cannon vamp and no one gona pawn u? Get 2 pieces heavy with some impen traits and 25k health unbuffed. Put lots of CP into crit and magic resistance. Stop running cookie cutter dps builds with vamp flavour. Design a build centred around stabilizing ur weaknesses. Yes that means stop doing things like wearing 5 julianos/2 torugs etc. There are other sets out there. Dont go around with barely 20k health tooting 40k magicka with proxy det and batswarm or you gona get rekt son. Im still drinking sweet sweet vamp tears and getting like 10 rage tells today about how i suck and need to L2P. Sorry i cant hear u from all the way down there where ur lying dead.

eliisra · January 2016

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

leepalmer95 · January 2016

I've always wondered this but does the attack from stealth bonus from camo get affected by the battle spirit, on my stamina charas the tooltip shows 10k~ and when i get hit on my vamp it shows 10k~ dmg. Shouldn't that be 5k?

Vangy · January 2016

eliisra wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

So much salt. Need waterrrrrr....

Go wear 2 heavy with impen with 25 k health. If u still get 1 shot regularly video it and post it here. Then I will weep with you. Till then imma lick dat salt all up. Nom nom. No chance any1 is gona get a 40k burst on you with proper gear and skill set up. Yes obviously run radiant if ur a vamp. Thank you Sherlock! Also pro tip: igneous shields, healing ward (6 seconds but I Guess it's still an option) etc etc all work against camo crits too! Not just hardened ward. Jeez.

BuggeX · January 2016

Vangy wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

So much salt. Need waterrrrrr....

Go wear 2 heavy with impen with 25 k health. If u still get 1 shot regularly video it and post it here. Then I will weep with you. Till then imma lick dat salt all up. Nom nom. No chance any1 is gona get a 40k burst on you with proper gear and skill set up. Yes obviously run radiant if ur a vamp. Thank you Sherlock! Also pro tip: igneous shields, healing ward (6 seconds but I Guess it's still an option) etc etc all work against camo crits too! Not just hardened ward. Jeez.

BuggeX wrote: »

no vid sry, but i have 32k Hp with HA

ingeos shild would be 3k for me in pvp, not even worth vs this dmg

OHHHH btw, i wasnt even a Vamp

Alcast · January 2016

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1) sub 20k health unbuffed in cyro
2) 7/7 light armor
3) barely any impen gear ( everyone loves to stack 7/7 divines with some infused)
4) stack 40k magicka with 0 consideration for stam or health

What? you thought u could waltz around cyro as a glass cannon vamp and no one gona pawn u? Get 2 pieces heavy with some impen traits and 25k health unbuffed. Put lots of CP into crit and magic resistance. Stop running cookie cutter dps builds with vamp flavour. Design a build centred around stabilizing ur weaknesses. Yes that means stop doing things like wearing 5 julianos/2 torugs etc. There are other sets out there. Dont go around with barely 20k health tooting 40k magicka with proxy det and batswarm or you gona get rekt son. Im still drinking sweet sweet vamp tears and getting like 10 rage tells today about how i suck and need to L2P. Sorry i cant hear u from all the way down there where ur lying dead.

First reasonable Sorc I found omfg. Kudos

Everyone wanna play paper-towel glass canon build but tank like 089509438439 guys at the same time.

Alcast · January 2016

Smth fishy is going on with camo since update.
For some reason:
1. Sneak proc does not proc at all anymore
2. Sneak proc gets show as Normal Camo proc?
3. Symbols in Death recap are messed up? Normal Camo Proc shown as Sneak proc?
4. Several Camohits from Bow? Used to work only on Dual Wield lol.

Oh and cuz ForuM Rules I whited out all the "players names and players" can never be save enough right?

http://i.imgur.com/EXgPUfw.jpg

Cinnamon_Spider · January 2016

Vangy wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

So much salt. Need waterrrrrr....

Go wear 2 heavy with impen with 25 k health. If u still get 1 shot regularly video it and post it here. Then I will weep with you. Till then imma lick dat salt all up. Nom nom. No chance any1 is gona get a 40k burst on you with proper gear and skill set up. Yes obviously run radiant if ur a vamp. Thank you Sherlock! Also pro tip: igneous shields, healing ward (6 seconds but I Guess it's still an option) etc etc all work against camo crits too! Not just hardened ward. Jeez.

1 h 1 m, 4 impen, 28k health (normally 30, but they bugged battle spirit), standing in my Rune Focus and Purifying Ritual. It doesn't matter what gear you run, or how much health you have.
Sorcs have 20 seconds of Hardened Ward and it is up continuously. Templars have Blazing Shield for 6 seconds and its barely worth using with how small it is.
Why is a sorc even a vamp anyway? My Templar is only a vamp for Mist Form movement speed.

Tomato · January 2016

It's still double procing and hitting for 12k +. In the death recap they just combined them to show as one but if you look at the combat logs you can see separate procs of 6k each

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wheeler

mike.eso · January 2016

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

So much salt. Need waterrrrrr....

Go wear 2 heavy with impen with 25 k health. If u still get 1 shot regularly video it and post it here. Then I will weep with you. Till then imma lick dat salt all up. Nom nom. No chance any1 is gona get a 40k burst on you with proper gear and skill set up. Yes obviously run radiant if ur a vamp. Thank you Sherlock! Also pro tip: igneous shields, healing ward (6 seconds but I Guess it's still an option) etc etc all work against camo crits too! Not just hardened ward. Jeez.

1 h 1 m, 4 impen, 28k health (normally 30, but they bugged battle spirit), standing in my Rune Focus and Purifying Ritual. It doesn't matter what gear you run, or how much health you have.
Sorcs have 20 seconds of Hardened Ward and it is up continuously. Templars have Blazing Shield for 6 seconds and its barely worth using with how small it is.
Why is a sorc even a vamp anyway? My Templar is only a vamp for Mist Form movement speed.

lol why? sounds like you should just drop vamp if that's your only reason for bein one.

Cinnamon_Spider · January 2016

Mikmak wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

So much salt. Need waterrrrrr....

Go wear 2 heavy with impen with 25 k health. If u still get 1 shot regularly video it and post it here. Then I will weep with you. Till then imma lick dat salt all up. Nom nom. No chance any1 is gona get a 40k burst on you with proper gear and skill set up. Yes obviously run radiant if ur a vamp. Thank you Sherlock! Also pro tip: igneous shields, healing ward (6 seconds but I Guess it's still an option) etc etc all work against camo crits too! Not just hardened ward. Jeez.

1 h 1 m, 4 impen, 28k health (normally 30, but they bugged battle spirit), standing in my Rune Focus and Purifying Ritual. It doesn't matter what gear you run, or how much health you have.
Sorcs have 20 seconds of Hardened Ward and it is up continuously. Templars have Blazing Shield for 6 seconds and its barely worth using with how small it is.
Why is a sorc even a vamp anyway? My Templar is only a vamp for Mist Form movement speed.

lol why? sounds like you should just drop vamp if that's your only reason for bein one.

With how they changed Mist Form, I ask myself that every time I play her. But I did testing with other skill options and for how I play, Mist Form works the best. Templars just don't have any mobility and few options for movement speed.

mike.eso · January 2016

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Mikmak wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

So much salt. Need waterrrrrr....

Go wear 2 heavy with impen with 25 k health. If u still get 1 shot regularly video it and post it here. Then I will weep with you. Till then imma lick dat salt all up. Nom nom. No chance any1 is gona get a 40k burst on you with proper gear and skill set up. Yes obviously run radiant if ur a vamp. Thank you Sherlock! Also pro tip: igneous shields, healing ward (6 seconds but I Guess it's still an option) etc etc all work against camo crits too! Not just hardened ward. Jeez.

1 h 1 m, 4 impen, 28k health (normally 30, but they bugged battle spirit), standing in my Rune Focus and Purifying Ritual. It doesn't matter what gear you run, or how much health you have.
Sorcs have 20 seconds of Hardened Ward and it is up continuously. Templars have Blazing Shield for 6 seconds and its barely worth using with how small it is.
Why is a sorc even a vamp anyway? My Templar is only a vamp for Mist Form movement speed.

lol why? sounds like you should just drop vamp if that's your only reason for bein one.

With how they changed Mist Form, I ask myself that every time I play her. But I did testing with other skill options and for how I play, Mist Form works the best. Templars just don't have any mobility and few options for movement speed.

yeah just seems like mist form is an almost useless escape mechanic these days unless you can los with it real quick.

Cinnamon_Spider · January 2016

Mikmak wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Mikmak wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

So much salt. Need waterrrrrr....

Go wear 2 heavy with impen with 25 k health. If u still get 1 shot regularly video it and post it here. Then I will weep with you. Till then imma lick dat salt all up. Nom nom. No chance any1 is gona get a 40k burst on you with proper gear and skill set up. Yes obviously run radiant if ur a vamp. Thank you Sherlock! Also pro tip: igneous shields, healing ward (6 seconds but I Guess it's still an option) etc etc all work against camo crits too! Not just hardened ward. Jeez.

1 h 1 m, 4 impen, 28k health (normally 30, but they bugged battle spirit), standing in my Rune Focus and Purifying Ritual. It doesn't matter what gear you run, or how much health you have.
Sorcs have 20 seconds of Hardened Ward and it is up continuously. Templars have Blazing Shield for 6 seconds and its barely worth using with how small it is.
Why is a sorc even a vamp anyway? My Templar is only a vamp for Mist Form movement speed.

lol why? sounds like you should just drop vamp if that's your only reason for bein one.

With how they changed Mist Form, I ask myself that every time I play her. But I did testing with other skill options and for how I play, Mist Form works the best. Templars just don't have any mobility and few options for movement speed.

yeah just seems like mist form is an almost useless escape mechanic these days unless you can los with it real quick.

Yup. In IC, it works well, but out in open world its just a mess. Nothing like being immune to CC while in it, but getting stopped in place by gap closers. I almost left PVP to cure vamp last night because of how frustrating it is, but instead I just logged off and watched TV.

Vangy · January 2016

Mikmak wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

So much salt. Need waterrrrrr....

Go wear 2 heavy with impen with 25 k health. If u still get 1 shot regularly video it and post it here. Then I will weep with you. Till then imma lick dat salt all up. Nom nom. No chance any1 is gona get a 40k burst on you with proper gear and skill set up. Yes obviously run radiant if ur a vamp. Thank you Sherlock! Also pro tip: igneous shields, healing ward (6 seconds but I Guess it's still an option) etc etc all work against camo crits too! Not just hardened ward. Jeez.

1 h 1 m, 4 impen, 28k health (normally 30, but they bugged battle spirit), standing in my Rune Focus and Purifying Ritual. It doesn't matter what gear you run, or how much health you have.
Sorcs have 20 seconds of Hardened Ward and it is up continuously. Templars have Blazing Shield for 6 seconds and its barely worth using with how small it is.
Why is a sorc even a vamp anyway? My Templar is only a vamp for Mist Form movement speed.

lol why? sounds like you should just drop vamp if that's your only reason for bein one.

With those kind of stats and 50/50 in crit and Magic resistance one shots should be far and few. Maybe someone with insane armor pen and 100 points into bow heavy might and I repeat might one shot u. But it shouldn't be happening. My dk hardly has any mobility too. And he lacks Bol spam. I work around it by choosing where to engage. Around trees or cliffs etc. Engaging enemies as a dk or temp in open fields is a death sentence especially in a 1vx scenario cos ... ZOS. If mobility is the only reason ur running vamp, drop it. Cos mist form is ***.

Also my sorc runs vamp cos curse>streak with proxy+ batswarm burst with a few friends doing similar things is able to wipe a considerably larger group.

Cinnamon_Spider · January 2016

Vangy wrote: »

Mikmak wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

So much salt. Need waterrrrrr....

Go wear 2 heavy with impen with 25 k health. If u still get 1 shot regularly video it and post it here. Then I will weep with you. Till then imma lick dat salt all up. Nom nom. No chance any1 is gona get a 40k burst on you with proper gear and skill set up. Yes obviously run radiant if ur a vamp. Thank you Sherlock! Also pro tip: igneous shields, healing ward (6 seconds but I Guess it's still an option) etc etc all work against camo crits too! Not just hardened ward. Jeez.

1 h 1 m, 4 impen, 28k health (normally 30, but they bugged battle spirit), standing in my Rune Focus and Purifying Ritual. It doesn't matter what gear you run, or how much health you have.
Sorcs have 20 seconds of Hardened Ward and it is up continuously. Templars have Blazing Shield for 6 seconds and its barely worth using with how small it is.
Why is a sorc even a vamp anyway? My Templar is only a vamp for Mist Form movement speed.

lol why? sounds like you should just drop vamp if that's your only reason for bein one.

With those kind of stats and 50/50 in crit and Magic resistance one shots should be far and few. Maybe someone with insane armor pen and 100 points into bow heavy might and I repeat might one shot u. But it shouldn't be happening. My dk hardly has any mobility too. And he lacks Bol spam. I work around it by choosing where to engage. Around trees or cliffs etc. Engaging enemies as a dk or temp in open fields is a death sentence especially in a 1vx scenario cos ... ZOS. If mobility is the only reason ur running vamp, drop it. Cos mist form is ***.

Also my sorc runs vamp cos curse>streak with proxy+ batswarm burst with a few friends doing similar things is able to wipe a considerably larger group.

How could I forget the invisbat proxy combo? I had fun playing around with that back on the 1.6 pts. I don't see many using that for some reason.

Vangy · January 2016

BuggeX wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

So much salt. Need waterrrrrr....

Go wear 2 heavy with impen with 25 k health. If u still get 1 shot regularly video it and post it here. Then I will weep with you. Till then imma lick dat salt all up. Nom nom. No chance any1 is gona get a 40k burst on you with proper gear and skill set up. Yes obviously run radiant if ur a vamp. Thank you Sherlock! Also pro tip: igneous shields, healing ward (6 seconds but I Guess it's still an option) etc etc all work against camo crits too! Not just hardened ward. Jeez.

BuggeX wrote: »

no vid sry, but i have 32k Hp with HA

ingeos shild would be 3k for me in pvp, not even worth vs this dmg

OHHHH btw, i wasnt even a Vamp

This isn't a 1 shot although it may feel like it due to animation cancelling. Also just from looking at the log it seems like u let someone crawl into ur butthole in stealth. You got hit by a meelee heavy Attack followed by surprise Attack animation cancelled with bash. Disregarding the obvious solution that is not to let someone stand there and poke your butthole in stealth without u noticing, you also got very unlucky because got hit by 4 crits in a row (note resilient cp procs). Since you aren't a vamp, the person procced the 4% chance to deal camo hunter as well as the guaranteed camo hunter from stealth. Again you ran out of luck. Also the damage totals to be around 30.5k. Not 32k. Also no one uses igneous shields for the shield. It's for the healing and even a 500hp shield is going to stop one critical hit. Next time someone hits you from stealth use an immovabiltiy pot and pop igneous followed by vigor. It will stop any more shenanigans like this. Or even better don't stand around and let someone charge a heavy on you. This is pvp. You stop moving you die.