Temporary Small-Scale PvP Solution - Let's Agree to Make Haderus a Small Scale PvP Zone

FENGRUSH · January 2016

Ezareth wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Haderus has finally become the small scale PVP server we always needed

What does @FENGRUSH know about small scale on Haderus? Every time I run into you its balls deep in a ball group! There were easily 20 blues running around with you last night! That group caused the AD to form into larger and larger zerg which is why the performance on the campaign took a nosedive.

There was the Hektik red ball rolling around, two different blue balls and just a giant blob of yellow that I couldn't distinguish from a ball group or just a PuG black hole that sucked up every potato in the campaign.

I had about 3 fights the entire night that didn't get me zerged down by a random choo choo.

When the zergs come out - DC rallies behind the strongest in an effort to bring justice to those who would zerg the small scale PVP server. Naturally if General Lord FENGRUSH is on the battlefield, they will follow Him into combat for His fearless posturing spreads weakness through the hoards of AD zergs.

forzajuve212 · January 2016

Just saw this forum post for the first time and wanted to mention a few things.

The guild I lead for (Arcane Council, NA AD) is pretty new to Haderus since we migrated after the insane lag from Azuras. None of us were aware of this post or of the situation going on previously in Had. Haderus has been full of awesome fighting for us whether its small scale throughout the day then during primetime, medium sized (12-18 man) groups fighting over the map. I just wanted to clarify that our AC group is in no way contributing to these huge numbers of AD players and gate camping that is being reported here on the forums. We run with around 16-20 max during primetime although we tend to run a solid 12-16 most of the time. While our group is mixed with some veteran players, most of our guild is made up of players that are newer to PVP and thus don't have skills like Proxy, barrier, or even caltrops. We want to have our guild be able to do medium-large style pvp but also capable of small scale/1v1 combat.

We moved to Haderus to try and get guildies good experience pushing for leader board spots as well as going against the best of the best in the game. Haderus has been very challenging for us due to the mix of great small scale players as well as very strong proxy groups (K-hole, GoS) but I personally take it as an opportunity to test our mettle against such experienced groups and players.

I think the issue here isnt so much an alliance of AD guilds zerging the *** out of Haderus but a few medium sized guild groups combined with huge numbers of PUGs that is contributing to these perceived AD super zergs. For the whole 50 man stack up coordinated AD raids, i'm not sure what you're talking about because besides a few whispers, there has not been any widespread AD super zerg coordination that my guild has been aware of. We've had a few instances of coordination with DIG but nothing to the point of balling up together in large numbers to wipe groups.

Rickter · January 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Haderus has finally become the small scale PVP server we always needed

What does @FENGRUSH know about small scale on Haderus? Every time I run into you its balls deep in a ball group! There were easily 20 blues running around with you last night! That group caused the AD to form into larger and larger zerg which is why the performance on the campaign took a nosedive.

There was the Hektik red ball rolling around, two different blue balls and just a giant blob of yellow that I couldn't distinguish from a ball group or just a PuG black hole that sucked up every potato in the campaign.

I had about 3 fights the entire night that didn't get me zerged down by a random choo choo.

When the zergs come out - DC rallies behind the strongest in an effort to bring justice to those who would zerg the small scale PVP server. Naturally if General Lord FENGRUSH is on the battlefield, they will follow Him into combat for His fearless posturing spreads weakness through the hoards of AD zergs.

hey look man, can you relax? like, i know youre trying to develop a "personality" but its getting old. most people i know that watched your stream, preferred when you were a little more down to earth. sorry if that came off rude, just trying to help. you have the potential to rally and represetn DC but if you keep going down this path, you will fall from grace very fast.

FENGRUSH · January 2016

Rickter wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Haderus has finally become the small scale PVP server we always needed

What does @FENGRUSH know about small scale on Haderus? Every time I run into you its balls deep in a ball group! There were easily 20 blues running around with you last night! That group caused the AD to form into larger and larger zerg which is why the performance on the campaign took a nosedive.

There was the Hektik red ball rolling around, two different blue balls and just a giant blob of yellow that I couldn't distinguish from a ball group or just a PuG black hole that sucked up every potato in the campaign.

I had about 3 fights the entire night that didn't get me zerged down by a random choo choo.

When the zergs come out - DC rallies behind the strongest in an effort to bring justice to those who would zerg the small scale PVP server. Naturally if General Lord FENGRUSH is on the battlefield, they will follow Him into combat for His fearless posturing spreads weakness through the hoards of AD zergs.

hey look man, can you relax? like, i know youre trying to develop a "personality" but its getting old. most people i know that watched your stream, preferred when you were a little more down to earth. sorry if that came off rude, just trying to help. you have the potential to rally and represetn DC but if you keep going down this path, you will fall from grace very fast.

Did you have an impression FENGRUSH is not relaxed?

The days of Lords developed back in bloodthorn, and led the covenant to victory. There is no personality being developed, it is history of old, you cannot deny it.

Rickter · January 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Haderus has finally become the small scale PVP server we always needed

What does @FENGRUSH know about small scale on Haderus? Every time I run into you its balls deep in a ball group! There were easily 20 blues running around with you last night! That group caused the AD to form into larger and larger zerg which is why the performance on the campaign took a nosedive.

There was the Hektik red ball rolling around, two different blue balls and just a giant blob of yellow that I couldn't distinguish from a ball group or just a PuG black hole that sucked up every potato in the campaign.

I had about 3 fights the entire night that didn't get me zerged down by a random choo choo.

When the zergs come out - DC rallies behind the strongest in an effort to bring justice to those who would zerg the small scale PVP server. Naturally if General Lord FENGRUSH is on the battlefield, they will follow Him into combat for His fearless posturing spreads weakness through the hoards of AD zergs.

hey look man, can you relax? like, i know youre trying to develop a "personality" but its getting old. most people i know that watched your stream, preferred when you were a little more down to earth. sorry if that came off rude, just trying to help. you have the potential to rally and represetn DC but if you keep going down this path, you will fall from grace very fast.

Did you have an impression FENGRUSH is not relaxed?

The days of Lords developed back in bloodthorn, and led the covenant to victory. There is no personality being developed, it is history of old, you cannot deny it.

ok man. ok. do your thing

FENGRUSH · January 2016

Rickter wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Haderus has finally become the small scale PVP server we always needed

What does @FENGRUSH know about small scale on Haderus? Every time I run into you its balls deep in a ball group! There were easily 20 blues running around with you last night! That group caused the AD to form into larger and larger zerg which is why the performance on the campaign took a nosedive.

There was the Hektik red ball rolling around, two different blue balls and just a giant blob of yellow that I couldn't distinguish from a ball group or just a PuG black hole that sucked up every potato in the campaign.

I had about 3 fights the entire night that didn't get me zerged down by a random choo choo.

When the zergs come out - DC rallies behind the strongest in an effort to bring justice to those who would zerg the small scale PVP server. Naturally if General Lord FENGRUSH is on the battlefield, they will follow Him into combat for His fearless posturing spreads weakness through the hoards of AD zergs.

hey look man, can you relax? like, i know youre trying to develop a "personality" but its getting old. most people i know that watched your stream, preferred when you were a little more down to earth. sorry if that came off rude, just trying to help. you have the potential to rally and represetn DC but if you keep going down this path, you will fall from grace very fast.

Did you have an impression FENGRUSH is not relaxed?

The days of Lords developed back in bloodthorn, and led the covenant to victory. There is no personality being developed, it is history of old, you cannot deny it.

ok man. ok. do your thing

Erynyes · January 2016

K-Hole emp defense at roebeck tonight was a real nice fight, no lag on my part, after wiping us EP, yellow came in to back cap, they did get wiped as well but manage to stack on flag to dethrone, watch the whole fight before releasing, cool stuff, hope you guys post more vids, too bad sphinxter lost emp that way, he sure defend it like a ***

RDMyers65b14_ESO · January 2016

Erynyes wrote: »

K-Hole emp defense at roebeck tonight was a real nice fight, no lag on my part, after wiping us EP, yellow came in to back cap, they did get wiped as well but manage to stack on flag to dethrone, watch the whole fight before releasing, cool stuff, hope you guys post more vids, too bad sphinxter lost emp that way, he sure defend it like a ***

Agreed. Last night's fight at Roebeck was insane. It was nearly midnight and people had to get sleep. No matter what, real life including jobs must come first. I wonder if it would have had a different outcome if it had been earlier in the evening. My arthritis was cramping my hands so much that after I was killed the third time there, I just watched the fight for a while.

FENGRUSH · January 2016

That was a pretty epic fight - a tear is shed I didnt catch it to record it... because it was nonstop battle for like 10+ mins.

AD did just bring in huge numbers and not even try to go offensive, they were flooding heals and rotating barriers, and eventually died. Flags should not be flagged in this manner @ZOS_BrianWheeler

OdinForge · January 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

AD did just bring in huge numbers and not even try to go offensive, they were flooding heals and rotating barriers, and eventually died. Flags should not be flagged in this manner @ZOS_BrianWheeler

This is the ZOS way of PvP FENGRUSH, AD is currently wearing the Wrobel and Wheeler flag of justice. Get on their level, put barrier and healing springs on your back bar.

FENGRUSH · January 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

AD did just bring in huge numbers and not even try to go offensive, they were flooding heals and rotating barriers, and eventually died. Flags should not be flagged in this manner @ZOS_BrianWheeler

This is the ZOS way of PvP FENGRUSH, AD is currently wearing the Wrobel and Wheeler flag of justice. Get on their level, put barrier and healing springs on your back bar.

Such is life

... honestly, of all my fights in the last few days that was the best and most enjoyable, and I think we were just 6 people with some other very good DC players there too.

Have to give props too to HAXUS - they were there and could have smothered us with the other EP, but they knew our size and didnt do that. We were able to have a fighting chance fighting the rest of EP and the AD that came in. That kind of respect you rarely see - and is worthy of noting!

bikerangelo · January 2016

I got some of it on shadowplay, I can post highlights later today.

forzajuve212 · January 2016

Awesome fighting on Haderus tonight guys. That nearly 13 min straight battle in Chalman with K-hole and another EP group was one of the best experiences I've had as a group leader in ESO. Cheers!

Dark_Star · January 2016

Erynyes wrote: »

K-Hole emp defense at roebeck tonight was a real nice fight, no lag on my part, after wiping us EP, yellow came in to back cap, they did get wiped as well but manage to stack on flag to dethrone, watch the whole fight before releasing, cool stuff, hope you guys post more vids, too bad sphinxter lost emp that way, he sure defend it like a ***

Yea that was an awesome defense

Ghostbane · January 2016

Had is becoming a sweetspot for action. Although I say this quietly under my breath, as this was Chillrend many moons ago, before being destroyed by the Thornblade mob.

KenaPKK · January 2016

Ghostbane wrote: »

Had is becoming a sweetspot for action. Although I say this quietly under my breath, as this was Chillrend many moons ago, before being destroyed by the Thornblade mob.

All campaigns are identical. There is no quality about one that makes it more a sweetspot for action than another except for players' impressions of it.

If people move to a campaign and start fighting on it, then other people will follow.

Haderus has been our little small group haven for months now. The zergs finally realized this and followed, ruining it. Ironically, Trueflame has been baren for a couple of weeks where it would usually have had action.

Spread out. Bring action to a different campaign each night. TF and Axe exist, you know.

DisgracefulMind · January 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Had is becoming a sweetspot for action. Although I say this quietly under my breath, as this was Chillrend many moons ago, before being destroyed by the Thornblade mob.

All campaigns are identical. There is no quality about one that makes it more a sweetspot for action than another except for players' impressions of it.

If people move to a campaign and start fighting on it, then other people will follow.

Haderus has been our little small group haven for months now. The zergs finally realized this and followed, ruining it. Ironically, Trueflame has been baren for a couple of weeks where it would usually have had action.

Spread out. Bring action to a different campaign each night. TF and Axe exist, you know.

It's over, small scale is killed in this game. Any haven we look for is ripped away .-.

I'm...about done with ESO atm.

Wycks · January 2016

If you are running more than 12 people on HAD go away. This has been the non zerg server for at least 8 months and the only thing that ruins it is some crap guild coming and running more than 12.

If you are DC and running more than 12 and hiding I will jump up and down on your location and follow you around everywhere training the enemies onto you. I will steal your relic and dump it in the lake (l have already done so).

Seriously go to TF or Azura if you can't run small groups.

OdinForge · January 2016

Trueflame atm is pretty much Horde mode for ESO PvP, get 4 friends and take a home keep resource and sit tight. AD will start pouring in, every wipe the wave gets larger than the last.

As Komodo and his cronies gather more and more bodies, until you're surrounded by a group of 15+.

So there is that, lol.

Ezareth · January 2016

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Had is becoming a sweetspot for action. Although I say this quietly under my breath, as this was Chillrend many moons ago, before being destroyed by the Thornblade mob.

All campaigns are identical. There is no quality about one that makes it more a sweetspot for action than another except for players' impressions of it.

If people move to a campaign and start fighting on it, then other people will follow.

Haderus has been our little small group haven for months now. The zergs finally realized this and followed, ruining it. Ironically, Trueflame has been baren for a couple of weeks where it would usually have had action.

Spread out. Bring action to a different campaign each night. TF and Axe exist, you know.

It's over, small scale is killed in this game. Any haven we look for is ripped away .-.

I'm...about done with ESO atm.

Come play with Cinn and I on your AD. We still have a blast picking off The Lord FENGRUSH's stray lambs as they stray from the herd. I actually had a good time last night, I only had to reloadui 4 times the entire night.

FENGRUSH · January 2016

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

If you are running more than 12 people on HAD go away. This has been the non zerg server for at least 8 months and the only thing that ruins it is some crap guild coming and running more than 12.

If you are DC and running more than 12 and hiding I will jump up and down on your location and follow you around everywhere training the enemies onto you. I will steal your relic and dump it in the lake (l have already done so).

Seriously go to TF or Azura if you can't run small groups.

Here's a snapshot of fighting AD on haderus. This guild runs multiple raids. Then theres lots of small AD groups fighting on the sideline of the battle the entire time - they would be the honorable group in this fight I imagine, except for the part where they curse at me for zerging while fighting 40+ AD guild.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4wU5d0jN3c

Ezareth · January 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

Trueflame atm is pretty much Horde mode for ESO PvP, get 4 friends and take a home keep resource and sit tight. AD will start pouring in, every wipe the wave gets larger than the last.

As Komodo and his cronies gather more and more bodies, until you're surrounded by a group of 15+.

So there is that, lol.

That's exactly why Cinn and I switched to Haderus this week. Any time we saw action on TF it turned into and AD Zerg swarm that started taking home keeps. Instead of remaining as part of the problem we decided to become part of the solution.

Hopefully some small groups of DC and EP can switch over to TF from any campaigns they feel too strong on as the performance there is always (currently) top notch.

Takllin · January 2016

Ezareth wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Trueflame atm is pretty much Horde mode for ESO PvP, get 4 friends and take a home keep resource and sit tight. AD will start pouring in, every wipe the wave gets larger than the last.

As Komodo and his cronies gather more and more bodies, until you're surrounded by a group of 15+.

So there is that, lol.

That's exactly why Cinn and I switched to Haderus this week. Any time we saw action on TF it turned into and AD Zerg swarm that started taking home keeps. Instead of remaining as part of the problem we decided to become part of the solution.

Hopefully some small groups of DC and EP can switch over to TF from any campaigns they feel too strong on as the performance there is always (currently) top notch.

That crap that AD does is the reason TF has become what it is now though.

People didn't just up and leave TF because Haderus was better, they left Trueflame because some AD tried their damnedest to make it a buff campaign.

forzajuve212 · January 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

If you are running more than 12 people on HAD go away. This has been the non zerg server for at least 8 months and the only thing that ruins it is some crap guild coming and running more than 12.

If you are DC and running more than 12 and hiding I will jump up and down on your location and follow you around everywhere training the enemies onto you. I will steal your relic and dump it in the lake (l have already done so).

Seriously go to TF or Azura if you can't run small groups.

Here's a snapshot of fighting AD on haderus. This guild runs multiple raids. Then theres lots of small AD groups fighting on the sideline of the battle the entire time - they would be the honorable group in this fight I imagine, except for the part where they curse at me for zerging while fighting 40+ AD guild.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4wU5d0jN3c

That wasnt a 40 man AD guild, my group was running 14 players at the point fighting in the area but it just happened that pretty much all PUGs were in the area combined with maybe 1-2 guild groups. It may have appeared to be some AD super zerg but that just wasn't the case, you were fighting 40 players for sure but not a 40 man guild. I can assure you there is little to no coordination atm between AD guilds on the server, it just happened to be the circumstances which were PUGs coming in due to it being the last Emp keep plus multiple AD guilds going there to protect it but with no coordination between them.

Ezareth · January 2016

Takllin wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Trueflame atm is pretty much Horde mode for ESO PvP, get 4 friends and take a home keep resource and sit tight. AD will start pouring in, every wipe the wave gets larger than the last.

As Komodo and his cronies gather more and more bodies, until you're surrounded by a group of 15+.

So there is that, lol.

That's exactly why Cinn and I switched to Haderus this week. Any time we saw action on TF it turned into and AD Zerg swarm that started taking home keeps. Instead of remaining as part of the problem we decided to become part of the solution.

Hopefully some small groups of DC and EP can switch over to TF from any campaigns they feel too strong on as the performance there is always (currently) top notch.

That crap that AD does is the reason TF has become what it is now though.

People didn't just up and leave TF because Haderus was better, they left Trueflame because some AD tried their damnedest to make it a buff campaign.

I don't think that is their intent to be honest. I ran into a Similar issue on Haderus when I was emperor for a month or so back in the day. The real issue is you have people that come outside and try to usurp Emperor from you so in order to maintain your AP lead you have to keep going for any AP you can get or you'll get passed up. It is also currently the home campaign for my guild so you also have the guys who need to get 100K AP for their Tier 3 rewards each cycle.

I don't think Meat pushes home keeps but a lot of these AD pugs who roll into the campaign when there is actual fighting will keep pushing long after meat and the organized AD play has left.

I think if Fengrush brough K-hole and whatever group he's running with on Haderus to TF there would be some great lag-free fights for all and they'd probably have a good chance at holding a good chunk of the map as others relocated there.

forzajuve212 · January 2016

Yea as far as I'm aware of there isn't some AD master plan to zerg the server and cause lag, it just happens to be a multiple of guild groups (that aren't coordinating) plus massive numbers of PUGs all in one area. That is why last night when I was leading my AC group, we purposefully didnt stay at Roe earlier in the night and instead defended Chal all night because of the huge number of AD in the area and the lag it caused. We had some pretty epic fighting at Chal between K-hole an EP group and us which went on for almost 13 min. The point I'm trying to make is don't paint all AD on Haderus with a single brush, it may appear to be some super-zerg that is balled up and coordinated but it just happens to be circumstantial.

Takllin · January 2016

Ezareth wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Trueflame atm is pretty much Horde mode for ESO PvP, get 4 friends and take a home keep resource and sit tight. AD will start pouring in, every wipe the wave gets larger than the last.

As Komodo and his cronies gather more and more bodies, until you're surrounded by a group of 15+.

So there is that, lol.

That's exactly why Cinn and I switched to Haderus this week. Any time we saw action on TF it turned into and AD Zerg swarm that started taking home keeps. Instead of remaining as part of the problem we decided to become part of the solution.

Hopefully some small groups of DC and EP can switch over to TF from any campaigns they feel too strong on as the performance there is always (currently) top notch.

That crap that AD does is the reason TF has become what it is now though.

People didn't just up and leave TF because Haderus was better, they left Trueflame because some AD tried their damnedest to make it a buff campaign.

I don't think that is their intent to be honest. I ran into a Similar issue on Haderus when I was emperor for a month or so back in the day. The real issue is you have people that come outside and try to usurp Emperor from you so in order to maintain your AP lead you have to keep going for any AP you can get or you'll get passed up. It is also currently the home campaign for my guild so you also have the guys who need to get 100K AP for their Tier 3 rewards each cycle.

I don't think Meat pushes home keeps but a lot of these AD pugs who roll into the campaign when there is actual fighting will keep pushing long after meat and the organized AD play has left.

I think if Fengrush brough K-hole and whatever group he's running with on Haderus to TF there would be some great lag-free fights for all and they'd probably have a good chance at holding a good chunk of the map as others relocated there.

I do understand that aspect of it, and I'm not trying to blame anyone one person or guild as I haven't been on TF in a while because of this stuff, but like you said it's probably PUGs who come in after and take the keeps via PvDoor when everyone is gone.

I can't blame K Hole for leaving Trueflame for Haderus though, K Hole had been there for months asking for others to come, and no one showed up until a horde of AD who turned it into a buff campaign.

Rylana · January 2016

Takllin wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Trueflame atm is pretty much Horde mode for ESO PvP, get 4 friends and take a home keep resource and sit tight. AD will start pouring in, every wipe the wave gets larger than the last.

As Komodo and his cronies gather more and more bodies, until you're surrounded by a group of 15+.

So there is that, lol.

That's exactly why Cinn and I switched to Haderus this week. Any time we saw action on TF it turned into and AD Zerg swarm that started taking home keeps. Instead of remaining as part of the problem we decided to become part of the solution.

Hopefully some small groups of DC and EP can switch over to TF from any campaigns they feel too strong on as the performance there is always (currently) top notch.

That crap that AD does is the reason TF has become what it is now though.

People didn't just up and leave TF because Haderus was better, they left Trueflame because some AD tried their damnedest to make it a buff campaign.

I don't think that is their intent to be honest. I ran into a Similar issue on Haderus when I was emperor for a month or so back in the day. The real issue is you have people that come outside and try to usurp Emperor from you so in order to maintain your AP lead you have to keep going for any AP you can get or you'll get passed up. It is also currently the home campaign for my guild so you also have the guys who need to get 100K AP for their Tier 3 rewards each cycle.

I don't think Meat pushes home keeps but a lot of these AD pugs who roll into the campaign when there is actual fighting will keep pushing long after meat and the organized AD play has left.

I think if Fengrush brough K-hole and whatever group he's running with on Haderus to TF there would be some great lag-free fights for all and they'd probably have a good chance at holding a good chunk of the map as others relocated there.

I do understand that aspect of it, and I'm not trying to blame anyone one person or guild as I haven't been on TF in a while because of this stuff, but like you said it's probably PUGs who come in after and take the keeps via PvDoor when everyone is gone.

I can't blame K Hole for leaving Trueflame for Haderus though, K Hole had been there for months asking for others to come, and no one showed up until a horde of AD who turned it into a buff campaign.

We affectionately (derisively actually) refer to it as the GoS-effect. Whenever we showed up on a buff campaign to cause a stir, get some fights going, sure enough within a week or two damn near poplock levels of reds would start showing up in the off-hours to completely wreck the map.

I remember going from Azuras to Thorn to Haderus to True to Axe to Had and finally back to Azuras because we just couldnt get away from this EP horde that follows us everywhere once they figure out where we are. Youll notice, also, its the same 2-3 guilds of reds, we really dont want them around. Most of the time, they wipe the map, sit in IC while everything gets lost, and then complain to us about their buff/farm server.

Its so toxic, wait in the wings for an organized guild to start the ball rolling, get entrenched, then joyfully crush all opposition. Never our wishes, never our intent, but *** it always started with us.

Takllin · January 2016

Rylana wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Trueflame atm is pretty much Horde mode for ESO PvP, get 4 friends and take a home keep resource and sit tight. AD will start pouring in, every wipe the wave gets larger than the last.

As Komodo and his cronies gather more and more bodies, until you're surrounded by a group of 15+.

So there is that, lol.

That's exactly why Cinn and I switched to Haderus this week. Any time we saw action on TF it turned into and AD Zerg swarm that started taking home keeps. Instead of remaining as part of the problem we decided to become part of the solution.

Hopefully some small groups of DC and EP can switch over to TF from any campaigns they feel too strong on as the performance there is always (currently) top notch.

That crap that AD does is the reason TF has become what it is now though.

People didn't just up and leave TF because Haderus was better, they left Trueflame because some AD tried their damnedest to make it a buff campaign.

I don't think that is their intent to be honest. I ran into a Similar issue on Haderus when I was emperor for a month or so back in the day. The real issue is you have people that come outside and try to usurp Emperor from you so in order to maintain your AP lead you have to keep going for any AP you can get or you'll get passed up. It is also currently the home campaign for my guild so you also have the guys who need to get 100K AP for their Tier 3 rewards each cycle.

I don't think Meat pushes home keeps but a lot of these AD pugs who roll into the campaign when there is actual fighting will keep pushing long after meat and the organized AD play has left.

I think if Fengrush brough K-hole and whatever group he's running with on Haderus to TF there would be some great lag-free fights for all and they'd probably have a good chance at holding a good chunk of the map as others relocated there.

I do understand that aspect of it, and I'm not trying to blame anyone one person or guild as I haven't been on TF in a while because of this stuff, but like you said it's probably PUGs who come in after and take the keeps via PvDoor when everyone is gone.

I can't blame K Hole for leaving Trueflame for Haderus though, K Hole had been there for months asking for others to come, and no one showed up until a horde of AD who turned it into a buff campaign.

We affectionately (derisively actually) refer to it as the GoS-effect. Whenever we showed up on a buff campaign to cause a stir, get some fights going, sure enough within a week or two damn near poplock levels of reds would start showing up in the off-hours to completely wreck the map.

I remember going from Azuras to Thorn to Haderus to True to Axe to Had and finally back to Azuras because we just couldnt get away from this EP horde that follows us everywhere once they figure out where we are. Youll notice, also, its the same 2-3 guilds of reds, we really dont want them around. Most of the time, they wipe the map, sit in IC while everything gets lost, and then complain to us about their buff/farm server.

Its so toxic, wait in the wings for an organized guild to start the ball rolling, get entrenched, then joyfully crush all opposition. Never our wishes, never our intent, but *** it always started with us.

It happened with Havoc too back to the Thornblade days. Though they also participated in this stuff, guilds followed them from server to server like lemmings, letting them do all the hard work and then beating their chests like they had just done it all themselves, but when push comes to shove they didn't do anything.

It's shameful and pitiful gameplay.

Cinnamon_Spider · January 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

bob.ellisonb16_ESO wrote: »

If you are running more than 12 people on HAD go away. This has been the non zerg server for at least 8 months and the only thing that ruins it is some crap guild coming and running more than 12.

If you are DC and running more than 12 and hiding I will jump up and down on your location and follow you around everywhere training the enemies onto you. I will steal your relic and dump it in the lake (l have already done so).

Seriously go to TF or Azura if you can't run small groups.

Here's a snapshot of fighting AD on haderus. This guild runs multiple raids. Then theres lots of small AD groups fighting on the sideline of the battle the entire time - they would be the honorable group in this fight I imagine, except for the part where they curse at me for zerging while fighting 40+ AD guild.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4wU5d0jN3c

That rez bash though. I was just trying to gaze into your eyes.