This, this and a million times this. Was using this skill in WGT the other day during the third boss fight to zoom from portal to portal-- only, after the third use, my skills completely locked for the remainder of the fight. And by "the remainder of the fight", I mean the next 15 seconds before my team wiped as I was our healer and was powerless to heal or do anything at all through the waves of adds flooding through the open portals.And if Toppling charge needs a fix, it just needs to work, period. I think we are all so tired of pressing the skill to have the sound go off but going nowhere. You keep pressing it over and over and over..and nothing happens. Or..the worst is that occasional time when it locks us out of using any skill until we can chug a potion, which for some reason fixes it.
This, this and a million times this. Was using this skill in WGT the other day during the third boss fight to zoom from portal to portal-- only, after the third use, my skills completely locked for the remainder of the fight. And by "the remainder of the fight", I mean the next 15 seconds before my team wiped as I was our healer and was powerless to heal or do anything at all through the waves of adds flooding through the open portals.And if Toppling charge needs a fix, it just needs to work, period. I think we are all so tired of pressing the skill to have the sound go off but going nowhere. You keep pressing it over and over and over..and nothing happens. Or..the worst is that occasional time when it locks us out of using any skill until we can chug a potion, which for some reason fixes it.
Didn't realize that popping a potion "fixes" it, though. Will give it a try if I ever decide to slot Toppling Charge again before its real fix!
Khivas_Carrick wrote: »I like how that guy really thinks the other three classes can't top a Templar healer when I've seen it regularly lol
Damn scrub, gtfo
Khivas_Carrick wrote: »I like how that guy really thinks the other three classes can't top a Templar healer when I've seen it regularly lol
Damn scrub, gtfo
Well sorry for being scrub... You know i've just played PvP since beta....
Other classes arent that bad, but In every scenario possible Templar just stomps the others as a healer. Heck I can survive 10 guys ganking me by just healing and shieling my self with my templar abilities. No other class can really do that with only healing abilities... Shield or no. A DK needs Dragon blood and Dragonic Armour, and dragon scales to survive such a thing for example.
Khivas_Carrick wrote: »I like how that guy really thinks the other three classes can't top a Templar healer when I've seen it regularly lol
Damn scrub, gtfo
Well sorry for being scrub... You know i've just played PvP since beta....
Other classes arent that bad, but In every scenario possible Templar just stomps the others as a healer. Heck I can survive 10 guys ganking me by just healing and shieling my self with my templar abilities. No other class can really do that with only healing abilities... Shield or no. A DK needs Dragon blood and Dragonic Armour, and dragon scales to survive such a thing for example.
EP:
Vesari - Woof Elf NB VR3
Erenwyn - High Elf Templar VR2
'Elayne - High Elf Sorc 20
Erenweyn - High Elf Templar 17
Sax-In-Da-City - Dark Elf Dragon Knight 4
DC:
Ammir - Redguard Templar 35
Thallia - Breton NB 25
Your sig is very informative that you don't know what you are talking. You can maybe do that in BWB with a level 40-49 templar against level 20 gankers, but this is about vr16. And good luck tanking 10 gankers with your class shield.
Explain this instead.
"In every scenario possible Templar just stomps the others as a healer. Heck I can survive 10 guys ganking me by just healing and shieling my self with my templar abilities. No other class can really do that."
The thing is, those so called dps classes can and do survive much better in such situations with utilising escape skills and self heals. If they are suppose to be only dps classes and templars are healers, then they should not allowed to survive more than 2 seconds in any scenario without a templar backing them by this logic.
But in reality, they perform much better in both dps and survival.
Surviving with a templar or dk is equal to your stamina pool. In this CC madness, it means you won't last long. You are not allowed to use your stamina to block or dodge, just cc break.. Your armor and resist mean nothing vs anyone who knows the mechanics. And you have a crap shield, no escape, no aoe cc, no nothing. You're just allowed to spam one or two button and expect to survive. This is not the way that it should be.
And you still claim that you can tank 10 people by yourself in vet campaigns. I doubt that. Lets do some math.
Max BoL heal I saw was close to 17k crit in full heal build with 501 cp, and only while in low health. A single wrecking blow or frags can hit for 6k noncrit with regular vr16 build. Add a light attack damage on top of that and maybe bash. Considering that so many people would punching you in a 1vX scenario that you will not able to out heal all the damage in one GCD. Heck you need to cast purify first for healing bonus which means you have to waste 2 GCD while they punching you. Unless you fight with potatoes that's not gonna happen.
Templar with BoL is best healer. But yes, when Templar using Honor the Dead, his healing output equalized with other classes. Thats why noone use it.Come on are you seriously trying to argue against the claim that templars are just better in healing their group members than other classes?
The thing is, those so called dps classes can and do survive much better in such situations with utilising escape skills and self heals. If they are suppose to be only dps classes and templars are healers, then they should not allowed to survive more than 2 seconds in any scenario without a templar backing them by this logic.
But in reality, they perform much better in both dps and survival.
Surviving with a templar or dk is equal to your stamina pool. In this CC madness, it means you won't last long. You are not allowed to use your stamina to block or dodge, just cc break.. Your armor and resist mean nothing vs anyone who knows the mechanics. And you have a crap shield, no escape, no aoe cc, no nothing. You're just allowed to spam one or two button and expect to survive. This is not the way that it should be.
And you still claim that you can tank 10 people by yourself in vet campaigns. I doubt that. Lets do some math.
Max BoL heal I saw was close to 17k crit in full heal build with 501 cp, and only while in low health. A single wrecking blow or frags can hit for 6k noncrit with regular vr16 build. Add a light attack damage on top of that and maybe bash. Considering that so many people would punching you in a 1vX scenario that you will not able to out heal all the damage in one GCD. Heck you need to cast purify first for healing bonus which means you have to waste 2 GCD while they punching you. Unless you fight with potatoes that's not gonna happen.
Well I can agree with your mat but I have done it before, then again your math doesnt count in the fact that I can just outplay them I.e. going around corner, and back etc. which kinda means they were potatoes hehe ;P
Also Of course other classes can surivve without a templar that not what im saying, as you said they all have self heals. But thats the thing, they just excel more in self healing rather than group healing.
Come on are you seriously trying to argue against the claim that templars are just better in healing their group members than other classes?
I 've played PvP non stop since this game came out and I havent seen a single class heal as well as a Templar. Of course other classes can heal im not saying they cant. But no one can
"In every scenario possible Templar just stomps the others as a healer. Heck I can survive 10 guys ganking me by just healing and shieling my self with my templar abilities. No other class can really do that."
Its already explained, With Steadfast ward form Regeneration staff (of course other classes can use this aswell) and with all the Templar abilities from Restoring Light I can easily Survive in PvP while being Ganked by multiple Players. Other classes just cant do this as good with just the Regen Staff SKills and the few heals they might have in their skill like.
Of course a DK and easily survive such a thing aswell with all the Dmg reduction skills, Extra armour skills and regen skills etc. But what im trying to say is that Without those skills he cant do much to surive solely on heals.
Templar is just a far better option for a Healer than the other classes. Zeni obviously knew their intentions for each class as some one said above. DK - Tank, Sorc - Burst DPS mostly Magic, Nightblade - Stealthy Burst Magic or Stamina both are very good, and Templar - Healer
The thing is, those so called dps classes can and do survive much better in such situations with utilising escape skills and self heals. If they are suppose to be only dps classes and templars are healers, then they should not allowed to survive more than 2 seconds in any scenario without a templar backing them by this logic.
But in reality, they perform much better in both dps and survival.
Surviving with a templar or dk is equal to your stamina pool. In this CC madness, it means you won't last long. You are not allowed to use your stamina to block or dodge, just cc break.. Your armor and resist mean nothing vs anyone who knows the mechanics. And you have a crap shield, no escape, no aoe cc, no nothing. You're just allowed to spam one or two button and expect to survive. This is not the way that it should be.
And you still claim that you can tank 10 people by yourself in vet campaigns. I doubt that. Lets do some math.
Max BoL heal I saw was close to 17k crit in full heal build with 501 cp, and only while in low health. A single wrecking blow or frags can hit for 6k noncrit with regular vr16 build. Add a light attack damage on top of that and maybe bash. Considering that so many people would punching you in a 1vX scenario that you will not able to out heal all the damage in one GCD. Heck you need to cast purify first for healing bonus which means you have to waste 2 GCD while they punching you. Unless you fight with potatoes that's not gonna happen.
Well I can agree with your mat but I have done it before, then again your math doesnt count in the fact that I can just outplay them I.e. going around corner, and back etc. which kinda means they were potatoes hehe ;P
Also Of course other classes can surivve without a templar that not what im saying, as you said they all have self heals. But thats the thing, they just excel more in self healing rather than group healing.
Come on are you seriously trying to argue against the claim that templars are just better in healing their group members than other classes?
I 've played PvP non stop since this game came out and I havent seen a single class heal as well as a Templar. Of course other classes can heal im not saying they cant. But no one can
Jon Snow of eso.
A sorc can stack shields beyond imagination and thats gives em critimmunity aswell. A templar could never heal that amount and do something else at the same time, a sorc easily can.
Define massiveThe thing is, those so called dps classes can and do survive much better in such situations with utilising escape skills and self heals. If they are suppose to be only dps classes and templars are healers, then they should not allowed to survive more than 2 seconds in any scenario without a templar backing them by this logic.
But in reality, they perform much better in both dps and survival.
Surviving with a templar or dk is equal to your stamina pool. In this CC madness, it means you won't last long. You are not allowed to use your stamina to block or dodge, just cc break.. Your armor and resist mean nothing vs anyone who knows the mechanics. And you have a crap shield, no escape, no aoe cc, no nothing. You're just allowed to spam one or two button and expect to survive. This is not the way that it should be.
And you still claim that you can tank 10 people by yourself in vet campaigns. I doubt that. Lets do some math.
Max BoL heal I saw was close to 17k crit in full heal build with 501 cp, and only while in low health. A single wrecking blow or frags can hit for 6k noncrit with regular vr16 build. Add a light attack damage on top of that and maybe bash. Considering that so many people would punching you in a 1vX scenario that you will not able to out heal all the damage in one GCD. Heck you need to cast purify first for healing bonus which means you have to waste 2 GCD while they punching you. Unless you fight with potatoes that's not gonna happen.
Well I can agree with your mat but I have done it before, then again your math doesnt count in the fact that I can just outplay them I.e. going around corner, and back etc. which kinda means they were potatoes hehe ;P
Also Of course other classes can surivve without a templar that not what im saying, as you said they all have self heals. But thats the thing, they just excel more in self healing rather than group healing.
Come on are you seriously trying to argue against the claim that templars are just better in healing their group members than other classes?
I 've played PvP non stop since this game came out and I havent seen a single class heal as well as a Templar. Of course other classes can heal im not saying they cant. But no one can
Jon Snow of eso.
A sorc can stack shields beyond imagination and thats gives em critimmunity aswell. A templar could never heal that amount and do something else at the same time, a sorc easily can.
The Discussion was about Heals in groups, not whoever can have the most shields ;P but I agree Although DK's have massive shield power aswell!
All you are basicall saying is that my Arguemtn doesnt count at all since I dont have a current V16 account, and that Non-vet doesn't matter what so ever.
All you are basicall saying is that my Arguemtn doesnt count at all since I dont have a current V16 account, and that Non-vet doesn't matter what so ever.
Sorry for being arrogant but this is pretty much correct. Balance at max level is much more important than on the way there. You not even having a VR16 yet eventhough you played since beta is a testiment to how little you know of how PvP is when you fight with classes at their maximum potential. Being on the recieving end is not the same as playing a class yourself at its max level and comparing it to others in duels etc. This thread is for experienced Templars to share their opinions on the class and if you don't even have a Templar at VR16 yet you have no basis for giving feedback on the class, and much less in participating in the discussions in this thread.
All you are basicall saying is that my Arguemtn doesnt count at all since I dont have a current V16 account, and that Non-vet doesn't matter what so ever.
Sorry for being arrogant but this is pretty much correct. Balance at max level is much more important than on the way there. You not even having a VR16 yet eventhough you played since beta is a testiment to how little you know of how PvP is when you fight with classes at their maximum potential. Being on the recieving end is not the same as playing a class yourself at its max level and comparing it to others in duels etc. This thread is for experienced Templars to share their opinions on the class and if you don't even have a Templar at VR16 yet you have no basis for giving feedback on the class, and much less in participating in the discussions in this thread.
I have Had Vr16's, at the End I see no point in Continuation, so I delete them and start a new. It would be pretty riduclous to have played since beta and NOT have a Vr16 account some time along the way. Im sorry If i do not write every single character ive ever had in my Signature.
I've been playing Templar only pretty much for half a year or more, before that i would play Nb and Sorc aswell but Templar still the most, im wroking on getting my newly Vr1 Rank Tempalr to vr16, After that? in the bin she goes and a new charc get created. I know might be a bad habit of mine but hey I play how I play
All you are basicall saying is that my Arguemtn doesnt count at all since I dont have a current V16 account, and that Non-vet doesn't matter what so ever.
Sorry for being arrogant but this is pretty much correct. Balance at max level is much more important than on the way there. You not even having a VR16 yet eventhough you played since beta is a testiment to how little you know of how PvP is when you fight with classes at their maximum potential. Being on the recieving end is not the same as playing a class yourself at its max level and comparing it to others in duels etc. This thread is for experienced Templars to share their opinions on the class and if you don't even have a Templar at VR16 yet you have no basis for giving feedback on the class, and much less in participating in the discussions in this thread.
I have Had Vr16's, at the End I see no point in Continuation, so I delete them and start a new. It would be pretty riduclous to have played since beta and NOT have a Vr16 account some time along the way. Im sorry If i do not write every single character ive ever had in my Signature.
I've been playing Templar only pretty much for half a year or more, before that i would play Nb and Sorc aswell but Templar still the most, im wroking on getting my newly Vr1 Rank Tempalr to vr16, After that? in the bin she goes and a new charc get created. I know might be a bad habit of mine but hey I play how I play
You definately have the right to play how you want!
I am just saying that continually playing on a VR16 character creates a more correct picture of how the class is doing than snapshots of their performance at certain level intervals.
Low level PvP in every MMO has always been a gimmick and true balance it strived to be achieved at max level.
All you are basicall saying is that my Arguemtn doesnt count at all since I dont have a current V16 account, and that Non-vet doesn't matter what so ever.
Sorry for being arrogant but this is pretty much correct. Balance at max level is much more important than on the way there. You not even having a VR16 yet eventhough you played since beta is a testiment to how little you know of how PvP is when you fight with classes at their maximum potential. Being on the recieving end is not the same as playing a class yourself at its max level and comparing it to others in duels etc. This thread is for experienced Templars to share their opinions on the class and if you don't even have a Templar at VR16 yet you have no basis for giving feedback on the class, and much less in participating in the discussions in this thread.
I have Had Vr16's, at the End I see no point in Continuation, so I delete them and start a new. It would be pretty riduclous to have played since beta and NOT have a Vr16 account some time along the way. Im sorry If i do not write every single character ive ever had in my Signature.
I've been playing Templar only pretty much for half a year or more, before that i would play Nb and Sorc aswell but Templar still the most, im wroking on getting my newly Vr1 Rank Tempalr to vr16, After that? in the bin she goes and a new charc get created. I know might be a bad habit of mine but hey I play how I play
You definately have the right to play how you want!
I am just saying that continually playing on a VR16 character creates a more correct picture of how the class is doing than snapshots of their performance at certain level intervals.
Low level PvP in every MMO has always been a gimmick and true balance it strived to be achieved at max level.
I cen agree with you but ESO isnt a standard MMo, Especially not in PvP. I feel there arent that many Differances between Non-Vet and Vet. Im not saying there arent any. Of course one differance being if you make a mistake, you'll probably die ahah. But Combat wise there arent Huge differances, Well I say tha lightly: CP, Set armour, etc. Those make a big differance but Skill not so much, you pretty much use the same skills in Vet as you do in Non-vet (Of course not the last skills etc.)
Explain this instead.
"In every scenario possible Templar just stomps the others as a healer. Heck I can survive 10 guys ganking me by just healing and shieling my self with my templar abilities. No other class can really do that."
Its already explained, With Steadfast ward form Regeneration staff (of course other classes can use this aswell) and with all the Templar abilities from Restoring Light I can easily Survive in PvP while being Ganked by multiple Players. Other classes just cant do this as good with just the Regen Staff SKills and the few heals they might have in their skill like.
Of course a DK and easily survive such a thing aswell with all the Dmg reduction skills, Extra armour skills and regen skills etc. But what im trying to say is that Without those skills he cant do much to surive solely on heals.
Templar is just a far better option for a Healer than the other classes. Zeni obviously knew their intentions for each class as some one said above. DK - Tank, Sorc - Burst DPS mostly Magic, Nightblade - Stealthy Burst Magic or Stamina both are very good, and Templar - Healer