Detect Pots- Are so bad as the time you get is nothing
Caltrops- Yet to unlock it on my DK but yea very effective unless the NB casts Blur and it 30m away before you can use it
Mark- I should have to use my NB to counter my own class
Steel Tornado- Im a tank
Detect Pots- Are so bad as the time you get is nothing
Caltrops- Yet to unlock it on my DK but yea very effective unless the NB casts Blur and it 30m away before you can use it
Mark- I should have to use my NB to counter my own class
Steel Tornado- Im a tank
So, did i get you right? You have no counters to cloak whatsoever, and when ppl use it against you effectively (because you have no counters to it) you cry nerf! Hmmm, nice...
Detect Pot | Caltrops | Mark | Steel Tornado
Learn it.
Praeficere wrote: »I'm sure cloak wasn't used pre-TU.
leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Detect Pots- Are so bad as the time you get is nothing
Caltrops- Yet to unlock it on my DK but yea very effective unless the NB casts Blur and it 30m away before you can use it
Mark- I should have to use my NB to counter my own class
Steel Tornado- Im a tank
Dude based on your previous post, I doubt you know anything about your class or PvP in general.
I don't go anywhere without detect pots, if you think detect pots are bad, I don't know what to tell you. Go unlock caltrops, equip an axe 2H off-hand and have some fun killing NB with a well timed detect pot.
Detect pot - Only useful if you can get them and if you pot timer is down
Caltraps - Very Very expensive still easy for nb to get out of it and run, assault 6
Mark - The counter to a class shouldn't be the class itself, sorc have a set that literally ignores there class defence
Steel tornado - requires stamina build + requires dw.
I can fight magblades without mark or a detect pot (assuming he wants to fight and have a chance at killing me, and not run away), what's the trouble?
Caltrops are good when you know how and when to use them, we can ignore mark since it's good for NB only. Steel tornado can be substituted for any AoE combined with a gap closer.
Have you seen the speed of proper magblades, you won't hit them with an aoe ^^
leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Detect Pots- Are so bad as the time you get is nothing
Caltrops- Yet to unlock it on my DK but yea very effective unless the NB casts Blur and it 30m away before you can use it
Mark- I should have to use my NB to counter my own class
Steel Tornado- Im a tank
Dude based on your previous post, I doubt you know anything about your class or PvP in general.
I don't go anywhere without detect pots, if you think detect pots are bad, I don't know what to tell you. Go unlock caltrops, equip an axe 2H off-hand and have some fun killing NB with a well timed detect pot.
Detect pot - Only useful if you can get them and if you pot timer is down
Caltraps - Very Very expensive still easy for nb to get out of it and run, assault 6
Mark - The counter to a class shouldn't be the class itself, sorc have a set that literally ignores there class defence
Steel tornado - requires stamina build + requires dw.
I can fight magblades without mark or a detect pot (assuming he wants to fight and have a chance at killing me, and not run away), what's the trouble?
Caltrops are good when you know how and when to use them, we can ignore mark since it's good for NB only. Steel tornado can be substituted for any AoE combined with a gap closer.
Have you seen the speed of proper magblades, you won't hit them with an aoe ^^
this thread isnt about magblades, stamblades dont share this speed. stfu
SupremeTravie wrote: »Praeficere wrote: »I'm sure cloak wasn't used pre-TU.
It wasn't used because the skill was broken until 1.6 now that its working as intended everyone has a problem with it because they don't know how to fight a nb which is pretty simple. Any CC,AoE, or pot will work. Use one guarantee it will help a lot or make the nb's job painful in killing you or running away. Its a stealth class your not meant to hit us when we stealth. Its the whole point to our survivability. As for the healing while in stealth. Were pretty squishy so when a nb stealths and pops a vigor or rally etc its because were most likely down to 40% by the first hit. So a nerf to healing while in stealth yeah that won't work. Leave it be and use the the suggested methods.
Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Agreed 100%. Sorcerers have to suffer with a stackable 50% increase cost with Bolt Escape. Tanks suffer with 0 stamina regen while blocking. Heavy Armor users have suffered with reduce break free being moved out of there passives and into the over nerfed immovable. So why should NB almighty cloak not suffer something huh?
Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Agreed 100%. Sorcerers have to suffer with a stackable 50% increase cost with Bolt Escape. Tanks suffer with 0 stamina regen while blocking. Heavy Armor users have suffered with reduce break free being moved out of there passives and into the over nerfed immovable. So why should NB almighty cloak not suffer something huh?
Because it's not op, and you're just a whiner?
This thread is a joke.
Go ahead and cry me a river. We all know you shouldnt be able to go Invis>Pop vigor/healing ward>come back to battle at full health its complete BS. Now I know all the Meta FOTM users are gonna attack me for wanting to nerf their precious skilless Meta.
People really need to stop comparing cloak to streak and suggesting it get the same treatment. Cloak is a SURVIVAL tool like Hardened Ward.
Jesus you MagSorcs your one of the most powerful classes in PvP right now RIGHT THERE with stamblades but your still not satisfied. Trying to fight you with any other magicka class is down right infuriating and you have burst on par with a stamblade. This is starting to stink of "well I got nerfed so you must be nerfed too".
How about we all just cut the nerf crap for awhile and maybe buff magicka DK and fix templar and see how we fare aye?
Oh and have a Happy New Year =D
People really need to stop comparing cloak to streak and suggesting it get the same treatment. Cloak is a SURVIVAL tool like Hardened Ward.
Jesus you MagSorcs your one of the most powerful classes in PvP right now RIGHT THERE with stamblades but your still not satisfied. Trying to fight you with any other magicka class is down right infuriating and you have burst on par with a stamblade. This is starting to stink of "well I got nerfed so you must be nerfed too".
How about we all just cut the nerf crap for awhile and maybe buff magicka DK and fix templar and see how we fare aye?
Oh and have a Happy New Year =D
If you don't use cloak for both strong survival and mobility, thats on you.
People really need to stop comparing cloak to streak and suggesting it get the same treatment. Cloak is a SURVIVAL tool like Hardened Ward.
Jesus you MagSorcs your one of the most powerful classes in PvP right now RIGHT THERE with stamblades but your still not satisfied. Trying to fight you with any other magicka class is down right infuriating and you have burst on par with a stamblade. This is starting to stink of "well I got nerfed so you must be nerfed too".
How about we all just cut the nerf crap for awhile and maybe buff magicka DK and fix templar and see how we fare aye?
Oh and have a Happy New Year =D
If you don't use cloak for both strong survival and mobility, thats on you.
Cloak in conjunction in Double Take/Bow passive/Concealed Weapon/Vampire/Quick Cloak for mobility. Moving at a snails pace with just cloak will get you no where fast in 2.9 seconds. Cloak alone does not grant mobility.
Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Agreed 100%. Sorcerers have to suffer with a stackable 50% increase cost with Bolt Escape. Tanks suffer with 0 stamina regen while blocking. Heavy Armor users have suffered with reduce break free being moved out of there passives and into the over nerfed immovable. So why should NB almighty cloak not suffer something huh?
Because it's not op, and you're just a whiner?
This thread is a joke.
Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Agreed 100%. Sorcerers have to suffer with a stackable 50% increase cost with Bolt Escape. Tanks suffer with 0 stamina regen while blocking. Heavy Armor users have suffered with reduce break free being moved out of there passives and into the over nerfed immovable. So why should NB almighty cloak not suffer something huh?
Because it's not op, and you're just a whiner?
This thread is a joke.
People really need to stop comparing cloak to streak and suggesting it get the same treatment. Cloak is a SURVIVAL tool like Hardened Ward.
Jesus you MagSorcs your one of the most powerful classes in PvP right now RIGHT THERE with stamblades but your still not satisfied. Trying to fight you with any other magicka class is down right infuriating and you have burst on par with a stamblade. This is starting to stink of "well I got nerfed so you must be nerfed too".
How about we all just cut the nerf crap for awhile and maybe buff magicka DK and fix templar and see how we fare aye?
Oh and have a Happy New Year =D
If you don't use cloak for both strong survival and mobility, thats on you.
Cloak in conjunction in Double Take/Bow passive/Concealed Weapon/Vampire/Quick Cloak for mobility. Moving at a snails pace with just cloak will get you no where fast in 2.9 seconds. Cloak alone does not grant mobility.
True, but being invisible does tend to help. I've seen more than my fair share of NB's that thought cloak would do that for them. Its just cloak works so well with so many skills/passives and does so much on its own that there is no way ZOS can make a handful of skills in the game as valuable.
People really need to stop comparing cloak to streak and suggesting it get the same treatment. Cloak is a SURVIVAL tool like Hardened Ward.
Jesus you MagSorcs your one of the most powerful classes in PvP right now RIGHT THERE with stamblades but your still not satisfied. Trying to fight you with any other magicka class is down right infuriating and you have burst on par with a stamblade. This is starting to stink of "well I got nerfed so you must be nerfed too".
How about we all just cut the nerf crap for awhile and maybe buff magicka DK and fix templar and see how we fare aye?
Oh and have a Happy New Year =D
If you don't use cloak for both strong survival and mobility, thats on you.
Cloak in conjunction in Double Take/Bow passive/Concealed Weapon/Vampire/Quick Cloak for mobility. Moving at a snails pace with just cloak will get you no where fast in 2.9 seconds. Cloak alone does not grant mobility.
True, but being invisible does tend to help. I've seen more than my fair share of NB's that thought cloak would do that for them. Its just cloak works so well with so many skills/passives and does so much on its own that there is no way ZOS can make a handful of skills in the game as valuable.
Yeah I can't argue with that, NB's have some of the best selection of passives and skills. If other classes have the same kinda synergy with both stamina and magicka specs most of these threads wouldn't even exist.