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Cloak should work like Mist Form and prevent heals when active
LoreRiley
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Go ahead and cry me a river. We all know you shouldnt be able to go Invis>Pop vigor/healing ward>come back to battle at full health its complete BS. Now I know all the Meta FOTM users are gonna attack me for wanting to nerf their precious skilless Meta.
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, that would screw NB over too hard.
I wouldn't even slot cloak anymore at that point, just use efficient purge for DoTs and beef up my resistance and regen. If cloaking and invisible NB are giving you too much trouble, add a heal debuff to your rotation.
Edited by OdinForge on December 28, 2015 10:46PMThe Age of Wrobel.2 -
LoreRiley✭✭✭✭ebethke_ESO wrote: »Do... do I need to link the meta video?
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LoreRiley✭✭✭✭No, that would screw NB over too hard.
I wouldn't even slot cloak anymore at that point, just use efficient purge for DoTs and beef up my resistance and regen.
This is the typical response to every thread about cloak saying "All it will make cloak obsolete" no it wont. Cloak is an Escape/Ambush Tactic not a heal right in your face whille invisible as a Stam DK the only head Debuff I have is Reverberating Bash and thats only 30% which still allows you to keep cloaking and healing. Its an unfair tactic and I know this because my main is a Nightblade so I know what gave me an advantage. Unlike most users on here Im not afraid to balance my own class.2 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Go ahead and cry me a river. We all know you shouldnt be able to go Invis>Pop vigor/healing ward>come back to battle at full health its complete BS. Now I know all the Meta FOTM users are gonna attack me for wanting to nerf their precious skilless Meta.
I disagree only because it would be devastating to the way nightblades are designed. However, I do think that casting heals/wards while invisible should break invisibility (and stealth) and they should be forced to re-cast Cloak.
To be thorough, I think that any buff that affects the player ONLY should NOT break stealth. But any ability that can heal/buff/shield another player should DEFINITELY break invisibility. Therefore Vigor and Healing Ward should break invisibility.0 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, that would screw NB over too hard.
I wouldn't even slot cloak anymore at that point, just use efficient purge for DoTs and beef up my resistance and regen.
This is the typical response to every thread about cloak saying "All it will make cloak obsolete" no it wont. Cloak is an Escape/Ambush Tactic not a heal right in your face whille invisible as a Stam DK the only head Debuff I have is Reverberating Bash and thats only 30% which still allows you to keep cloaking and healing. Its an unfair tactic and I know this because my main is a Nightblade so I know what gave me an advantage. Unlike most users on here Im not afraid to balance my own class.
No it's not, you have no idea what you're talking about.
When I play my magblade, cloak is positioning tool or constant protection from being spotted and run over. When I'm focused, cloak becomes almost if not 100% useless and I rely on chance utility like a well placed shadow image, wards and if I'm snared forget it.
When I play my stamblade, cloak is just there for a once in a while cast or to purge DoTs or heal in an emergency. My escape is a speed buff and run speed + dodge roll + better snare immunity
I play 1H stam food NB, A similar 1H stam DK can block better damage, upkeep resources better via passives, and dish out similar damage. The one card that usually balances a fight comes to the occasional cloak heal, but can be negated by detect pot or mark + heal debuff.Edited by OdinForge on December 28, 2015 11:11PMThe Age of Wrobel.2 -
LoreRiley✭✭✭✭No, that would screw NB over too hard.
I wouldn't even slot cloak anymore at that point, just use efficient purge for DoTs and beef up my resistance and regen.
This is the typical response to every thread about cloak saying "All it will make cloak obsolete" no it wont. Cloak is an Escape/Ambush Tactic not a heal right in your face whille invisible as a Stam DK the only head Debuff I have is Reverberating Bash and thats only 30% which still allows you to keep cloaking and healing. Its an unfair tactic and I know this because my main is a Nightblade so I know what gave me an advantage. Unlike most users on here Im not afraid to balance my own class.
No it's not, you have no idea what you're talking about.
When I play my magblade, cloak is positioning tool or constant protection from being spotted and run over. When I'm focused, cloak becomes almost if not 100% useless and I rely on chance utility like a well placed shadow image, wards and if I'm snared forget it.
When I play my stamblade, cloak is just there for a once in a while cast or to purge DoTs or heal in an emergency. My escape is a speed buff and run speed + dodge roll + better snare immunity
I play 1H stam food NB, A similar 1H stam DK can block better damage, upkeep resources better via passives, and dish out similar damage. The one card that usually balances a fight comes to the occasional cloak heal, but can be negated by detect pot or mark + heal debuff.
I know exactly what i'm talking about you are just a salty forumblade what I meant by that was its original purpose is to escape/ambush according to the perks. And using it to prevent being targeted counts as escape/ambush1 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I know exactly what i'm talking about you are just a salty forumblade what I meant by that was its original purpose is to escape/ambush according to the perks. And using it to prevent being targeted counts as escape/ambush
Detect Pot | Caltrops | Mark | Steel Tornado
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Sykotical✭✭✭Maybe they should just get rid of the healing staff.Son Azoth | Breton Nightblade
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LoreRiley✭✭✭✭
Detect Pots- Are so bad as the time you get is nothing
Caltrops- Yet to unlock it on my DK but yea very effective unless the NB casts Blur and it 30m away before you can use it
Mark- I should have to use my NB to counter my own class
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davey1107✭✭✭✭✭
✭as a Stam DK the only heal Debuff I have is Reverberating Bash
If you're a Stam DK and you need a heal and debuff, you're not playing stam DK right. Amp up that armor and make yourself less of a glass canon. I play a stam NB - trust me, if you spec right, you will be veeeeeeeeeeeery hard for me to kill.1 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
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Detect Pots- Are so bad as the time you get is nothing
Caltrops- Yet to unlock it on my DK but yea very effective unless the NB casts Blur and it 30m away before you can use it
Mark- I should have to use my NB to counter my own class
Steel Tornado- Im a tank
Dude based on your previous post, I doubt you know anything about your class or PvP in general.
I don't go anywhere without detect pots, if you think detect pots are bad, I don't know what to tell you. Go unlock caltrops, equip an axe 2H off-hand and have some fun killing NB with a well timed detect pot.Edited by OdinForge on December 28, 2015 11:27PMThe Age of Wrobel.3 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
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Detect Pots- Are so bad as the time you get is nothing
Caltrops- Yet to unlock it on my DK but yea very effective unless the NB casts Blur and it 30m away before you can use it
Mark- I should have to use my NB to counter my own class
Steel Tornado- Im a tank
Dude based on your previous post, I doubt you know anything about your class or PvP in general.
I don't go anywhere without detect pots, if you think detect pots are bad, I don't know what to tell you. Go unlock caltrops, equip an axe 2H off-hand and have some fun killing NB with a well timed detect pot.
Detect pot - Only useful if you can get them and if you pot timer is down
Caltraps - Very Very expensive still easy for nb to get out of it and run, assault 6
Mark - The counter to a class shouldn't be the class itself, sorc have a set that literally ignores there class defence
Steel tornado - requires stamina build + requires dw.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Detect Pots- Are so bad as the time you get is nothing
Caltrops- Yet to unlock it on my DK but yea very effective unless the NB casts Blur and it 30m away before you can use it
Mark- I should have to use my NB to counter my own class
Steel Tornado- Im a tank
Dude based on your previous post, I doubt you know anything about your class or PvP in general.
I don't go anywhere without detect pots, if you think detect pots are bad, I don't know what to tell you. Go unlock caltrops, equip an axe 2H off-hand and have some fun killing NB with a well timed detect pot.
Detect pot - Only useful if you can get them and if you pot timer is down
Caltraps - Very Very expensive still easy for nb to get out of it and run, assault 6
Mark - The counter to a class shouldn't be the class itself, sorc have a set that literally ignores there class defence
Steel tornado - requires stamina build + requires dw.
I can fight magblades without mark or a detect pot (assuming he wants to fight and have a chance at killing me, and not run away), what's the trouble?
Caltrops are good when you know how and when to use them, we can ignore mark since it's good for NB only. Steel tornado can be substituted for any AoE combined with a gap closer.Edited by OdinForge on December 29, 2015 12:42AMThe Age of Wrobel.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Detect Pots- Are so bad as the time you get is nothing
Caltrops- Yet to unlock it on my DK but yea very effective unless the NB casts Blur and it 30m away before you can use it
Mark- I should have to use my NB to counter my own class
Steel Tornado- Im a tank
Dude based on your previous post, I doubt you know anything about your class or PvP in general.
I don't go anywhere without detect pots, if you think detect pots are bad, I don't know what to tell you. Go unlock caltrops, equip an axe 2H off-hand and have some fun killing NB with a well timed detect pot.
Detect pot - Only useful if you can get them and if you pot timer is down
Caltraps - Very Very expensive still easy for nb to get out of it and run, assault 6
Mark - The counter to a class shouldn't be the class itself, sorc have a set that literally ignores there class defence
Steel tornado - requires stamina build + requires dw.
I can fight magblades without mark or a detect pot (assuming he wants to fight and have a chance at killing me, and not run away), what's the trouble?
Caltrops are good when you know how and when to use them, we can ignore mark since it's good for NB only. Steel tornado can be substituted for any AoE combined with a gap closer.
Have you seen the speed of proper magblades, you won't hit them with an aoe ^^PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...3 -
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✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Detect Pots- Are so bad as the time you get is nothing
Caltrops- Yet to unlock it on my DK but yea very effective unless the NB casts Blur and it 30m away before you can use it
Mark- I should have to use my NB to counter my own class
Steel Tornado- Im a tank
Dude based on your previous post, I doubt you know anything about your class or PvP in general.
I don't go anywhere without detect pots, if you think detect pots are bad, I don't know what to tell you. Go unlock caltrops, equip an axe 2H off-hand and have some fun killing NB with a well timed detect pot.
Detect pot - Only useful if you can get them and if you pot timer is down
Caltraps - Very Very expensive still easy for nb to get out of it and run, assault 6
Mark - The counter to a class shouldn't be the class itself, sorc have a set that literally ignores there class defence
Steel tornado - requires stamina build + requires dw.
I can fight magblades without mark or a detect pot (assuming he wants to fight and have a chance at killing me, and not run away), what's the trouble?
Caltrops are good when you know how and when to use them, we can ignore mark since it's good for NB only. Steel tornado can be substituted for any AoE combined with a gap closer.
Have you seen the speed of proper magblades, you won't hit them with an aoe ^^
When I get irritated with NB's I generally get on one of my own and make their day by spamming mark. It amazes me how many NB's when pressed will simply spam cloak and crawl in one direction and do nothing else. I believe these situations are what made the 'cloak's worthless' and 'nightblades are squishy' threads.1 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭As much as I hate cloak, Mist Form is different. It mitigates a lot of damage and they can't be pulled out of mist with AoEs, so giving them the same downside doesn't seem right.
I don't like the fact they can purge my DK DoTs however, but that's another story.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Only two fixes for cloak are needed
Fix Sentry Set to work against it (It'll be like shield breaker)
and make it if you're revealed from an ability (Like Scorching Flare for example) you can't purge the dot.
That's basically the only changes to Cloak that are needed.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Only two fixes for cloak are needed
Fix Sentry Set to work against it (It'll be like shield breaker)
and make it if you're revealed from an ability (Like Scorching Flare for example) you can't purge the dot.
That's basically the only changes to Cloak that are needed.
Close, but you also add that DK DoTs should stick. I don't care if they stay invisible, as long as they can't insta-purge my main source of damage, I'm fine. I'm broken enough without this crap.1 -
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✭I don't know about never but maybe reduce the heals by 50% while cloaked. It is a tactic I use when battle doesn't turn in my favor. Healing ward, cloak. Then Reposition and re engage. 1 could argue that is the way of the NB. You can't play 2 classes the same i.e. A NB can't be played like a DK. Besides my magic NB is so squishy if you sneeze on him he's done. You just have to hit me
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Igawotch✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi everyone, thanks for all your feedback. We are looking at several options to limit the number of times Shadow Cloak can be cast in a row. However, unlike Bolt Escape, there are multiple ways of countering Shadow Cloak so we want to be very careful with any change we ultimately make. One of the possibilities we're exploring is reducing your Magicka regeneration while Shadow Cloak is active.
Any change we make will be in a future update, though we don't have a solid time frame at this time.
From a couple months back.
Link: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2274406#Comment_2274406Edited by Igawotch on December 29, 2015 3:37AM0 -
revonine✭✭✭✭Healing on a magblade pulls me out of cloak, I do feel stamblade should get the same treatment. They already do more damage this extra edge is unnecessary.0 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Only two fixes for cloak are needed
Fix Sentry Set to work against it (It'll be like shield breaker)
and make it if you're revealed from an ability (Like Scorching Flare for example) you can't purge the dot.
That's basically the only changes to Cloak that are needed.
Close, but you also add that DK DoTs should stick. I don't care if they stay invisible, as long as they can't insta-purge my main source of damage, I'm fine. I'm broken enough without this crap.
sorry but the current cloak morph is to remove dot,the fact that a dot should still on the NB make no sense IMO,at this point is better to change some DK skill,and since im leveling my stamina DK i would like a stamina Morph for Whip.0 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Detect Pots- Are so bad as the time you get is nothing
Caltrops- Yet to unlock it on my DK but yea very effective unless the NB casts Blur and it 30m away before you can use it
Mark- I should have to use my NB to counter my own class
Steel Tornado- Im a tank
Dude based on your previous post, I doubt you know anything about your class or PvP in general.
I don't go anywhere without detect pots, if you think detect pots are bad, I don't know what to tell you. Go unlock caltrops, equip an axe 2H off-hand and have some fun killing NB with a well timed detect pot.
Detect pot - Only useful if you can get them and if you pot timer is down
Caltraps - Very Very expensive still easy for nb to get out of it and run, assault 6
Mark - The counter to a class shouldn't be the class itself, sorc have a set that literally ignores there class defence
Steel tornado - requires stamina build + requires dw.
I can fight magblades without mark or a detect pot (assuming he wants to fight and have a chance at killing me, and not run away), what's the trouble?
Caltrops are good when you know how and when to use them, we can ignore mark since it's good for NB only. Steel tornado can be substituted for any AoE combined with a gap closer.
Have you seen the speed of proper magblades, you won't hit them with an aoe ^^
Ya I have one, magblade is weak AF, and I'd wager not many people could prove me otherwise in-game.Edited by OdinForge on December 29, 2015 4:40AMThe Age of Wrobel.2 -
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✭✭No offence but this thread is trash.
WHAT DO YOU WANT A NIGHTBLADE TO DO?
dk's have 30% more healing and get resource's back from ult's.
sorc's have burst heal's and shield.
templar's have good heal's.
nightblade's? we have disengage. that's about it. we cannot roll like we used to. we relie on cloak to heal and if we cant cloak we die.
Nightblade's are the scum of pvp. They kill you when your weak and hide. That's what being a rogue is all about.
Why don't you pop a detect potion or AoE and stop nightblade's from trying to heal. You call these nightblade's skill-less when it seem's your the one being out played and showing little skill.
Nightblade's have a good kit yes, however it's a kit very easily countered...
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on December 29, 2015 5:13AMPS4 NA DC2 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Only two fixes for cloak are needed
Fix Sentry Set to work against it (It'll be like shield breaker)
and make it if you're revealed from an ability (Like Scorching Flare for example) you can't purge the dot.
That's basically the only changes to Cloak that are needed.
Close, but you also add that DK DoTs should stick. I don't care if they stay invisible, as long as they can't insta-purge my main source of damage, I'm fine. I'm broken enough without this crap.
Well see if you had Scorching Flare for example and revealed them your dots would work against them as they wouldn't be purged by Dark Cloak. This would make Scorching Flare actually ya know.... useful. Same with the other Reveal as well...Basically if you're revealed by an ability and such...the Dots shouldn't be purged when ya use Dark Cloak.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Forestd16b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Agreed 100%. Sorcerers have to suffer with a stackable 50% increase cost with Bolt Escape. Tanks suffer with 0 stamina regen while blocking. Heavy Armor users have suffered with reduce break free being moved out of there passives and into the over nerfed immovable. So why should NB almighty cloak not suffer something huh?2
