Assault and Support are not leveling at all

Dahood2 · November 2015

So ive been playing in and off for a while and for at least 2 months my assault and support tree have literally stopped leveling. Theyre stuck and a smidge from level 5 but refuse to move. I have done 10 dailies and they haven't moved at all. I returned 2 elder scrolls. Took resources, took keeps, fought in wars and not once have they moved

Draxys · November 2015

The amount of ap needed to level the alliance ranks and skill lines increases exponentially with every level. Much more so than anything else in the game. It will take a while.

Lava_Croft · November 2015

Killing people and reaping offensive and defensive AP ticks is what you want. Turning in quests and delivering Elder Scrolls does not reward you with any meaningful amount of AP at all.

Skinzz · November 2015

It's AP based. U have to kill a lot of enemy players along with the usual objectives of pvp.

DeanTheCat · November 2015

You'll get an Assault/Support rank every 3 Alliance Ranks (AR), with the first rank up you get at rank 1.

This means:
AR 0: Rank 1
AR 1: Rank 2
AR 3: Rank 3
AR 6: Rank 4
AR 9: Rank 5
AR 12: Rank 6
AR 15: Rank 7
AR 18: Rank 8
AR 21: Rank 9
AR 24: Rank 10

Tankqull · November 2015

DeanTheCat wrote: »

You'll get an Assault/Support rank every 3 Alliance Ranks (AR), with the first rank up you get at rank 1.

This means:
AR 0: Rank 1 = 0 AP
AR 1: Rank 2 = 700 AP
AR 3: Rank 3 = 8.000 AP
AR 6: Rank 4 = 88.000 AP
AR 9: Rank 5 = 326.400 AP
AR 12: Rank 6 = 809.600 AP
AR 15: Rank 7 = 1.624.000 AP
AR 18: Rank 8 = 2.856.000 AP
AR 21: Rank 9 = 4.592.000 AP
AR 24: Rank 10 = 6.918.400 AP

added the total required AP amount of each rank

AverageJo3Gam3r · November 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

You'll get an Assault/Support rank every 3 Alliance Ranks (AR), with the first rank up you get at rank 1.

This means:
AR 0: Rank 1 = 0 AP
AR 1: Rank 2 = 700 AP
AR 3: Rank 3 = 8.000 AP
AR 6: Rank 4 = 88.000 AP
AR 9: Rank 5 = 326.400 AP
AR 12: Rank 6 = 809.600 AP
AR 15: Rank 7 = 1.624.000 AP
AR 18: Rank 8 = 2.856.000 AP
AR 21: Rank 9 = 4.592.000 AP
AR 24: Rank 10 = 6.918.400 AP

added the total required AP amount of each rank

Is that total AP needed, or AP needed to go to the next rank? Eg, do you need 88K total to earn rank 4, or do you need to earn 88K to go from rank 3 to 4?

Tankqull · November 2015

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

You'll get an Assault/Support rank every 3 Alliance Ranks (AR), with the first rank up you get at rank 1.

This means:
AR 0: Rank 1 = 0 AP
AR 1: Rank 2 = 700 AP
AR 3: Rank 3 = 8.000 AP
AR 6: Rank 4 = 88.000 AP
AR 9: Rank 5 = 326.400 AP
AR 12: Rank 6 = 809.600 AP
AR 15: Rank 7 = 1.624.000 AP
AR 18: Rank 8 = 2.856.000 AP
AR 21: Rank 9 = 4.592.000 AP
AR 24: Rank 10 = 6.918.400 AP

added the total required AP amount of each rank

Is that total AP needed, or AP needed to go to the next rank? Eg, do you need 88K total to earn rank 4, or do you need to earn 88K to go from rank 3 to 4?

its total ap needed for that rank, the difference between two is the ap needed from one rank to the other.
so you´ll need 6.9 mio for R10 or ~2,4 from R9 to R10

Waffennacht · November 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

You'll get an Assault/Support rank every 3 Alliance Ranks (AR), with the first rank up you get at rank 1.

This means:
AR 0: Rank 1 = 0 AP
AR 1: Rank 2 = 700 AP
AR 3: Rank 3 = 8.000 AP
AR 6: Rank 4 = 88.000 AP
AR 9: Rank 5 = 326.400 AP
AR 12: Rank 6 = 809.600 AP
AR 15: Rank 7 = 1.624.000 AP
AR 18: Rank 8 = 2.856.000 AP
AR 21: Rank 9 = 4.592.000 AP
AR 24: Rank 10 = 6.918.400 AP

added the total required AP amount of each rank

Thank you for the info.

First thing I noticed was the MASSIVE gap between 88k and 326k at the most every other rank is about double the previous rank. Not here though, 4 to 5 is freaking quadruple. No wonder I got to 4 and have stalled out a bit.

DeanTheCat · November 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

You'll get an Assault/Support rank every 3 Alliance Ranks (AR), with the first rank up you get at rank 1.

This means:
AR 0: Rank 1 = 0 AP
AR 1: Rank 2 = 700 AP
AR 3: Rank 3 = 8.000 AP
AR 6: Rank 4 = 88.000 AP
AR 9: Rank 5 = 326.400 AP
AR 12: Rank 6 = 809.600 AP
AR 15: Rank 7 = 1.624.000 AP
AR 18: Rank 8 = 2.856.000 AP
AR 21: Rank 9 = 4.592.000 AP
AR 24: Rank 10 = 6.918.400 AP

added the total required AP amount of each rank

@Tankqull

Typed that on my phone

Thanks for helping me make it comprehensive.

Unsent.Soul · November 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

You'll get an Assault/Support rank every 3 Alliance Ranks (AR), with the first rank up you get at rank 1.

This means:
AR 0: Rank 1 = 0 AP
AR 1: Rank 2 = 700 AP
AR 3: Rank 3 = 8.000 AP
AR 6: Rank 4 = 88.000 AP
AR 9: Rank 5 = 326.400 AP
AR 12: Rank 6 = 809.600 AP
AR 15: Rank 7 = 1.624.000 AP
AR 18: Rank 8 = 2.856.000 AP
AR 21: Rank 9 = 4.592.000 AP
AR 24: Rank 10 = 6.918.400 AP

added the total required AP amount of each rank

Am I the only one that wants to cry? Seriously though with a good pvp group and dedication it's not too bad. I got to rank 5 rather quickly on a v16 stam templar.

Working on a pvp magicka sorc and now that I know what I'm doing its going faster.

timmayyyboy · December 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

You'll get an Assault/Support rank every 3 Alliance Ranks (AR), with the first rank up you get at rank 1.

This means:
AR 0: Rank 1 = 0 AP
AR 1: Rank 2 = 700 AP
AR 3: Rank 3 = 8.000 AP
AR 6: Rank 4 = 88.000 AP
AR 9: Rank 5 = 326.400 AP
AR 12: Rank 6 = 809.600 AP
AR 15: Rank 7 = 1.624.000 AP
AR 18: Rank 8 = 2.856.000 AP
AR 21: Rank 9 = 4.592.000 AP
AR 24: Rank 10 = 6.918.400 AP

added the total required AP amount of each rank

So much AP... lol i just dont have time lol

zornyan · December 2015

It's really not that bad, a good pvp player will do around 100 150k in a day

AverageJo3Gam3r · December 2015

zornyan wrote: »

It's really not that bad, a good pvp player will do around 100 150k in a day

I think the real grind is to go from "bad" PvP player to "good" PvP player

Kas · December 2015

Waffennacht wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

You'll get an Assault/Support rank every 3 Alliance Ranks (AR), with the first rank up you get at rank 1.

This means:
AR 0: Rank 1 = 0 AP
AR 1: Rank 2 = 700 AP
AR 3: Rank 3 = 8.000 AP
AR 6: Rank 4 = 88.000 AP
AR 9: Rank 5 = 326.400 AP
AR 12: Rank 6 = 809.600 AP
AR 15: Rank 7 = 1.624.000 AP
AR 18: Rank 8 = 2.856.000 AP
AR 21: Rank 9 = 4.592.000 AP
AR 24: Rank 10 = 6.918.400 AP

added the total required AP amount of each rank

Thank you for the info.

First thing I noticed was the MASSIVE gap between 88k and 326k at the most every other rank is about double the previous rank. Not here though, 4 to 5 is freaking quadruple. No wonder I got to 4 and have stalled out a bit.

nope,
the first cap is more than a factor of 10, then slightly less, then 4 to 5 (waht you#re talking about), then less.
the absokutely amount is getting worse and worse ofc. no the ratio, though.

zekeElite · December 2015

I get about 25k AP every 3-4 hour session

Level66Charizard · December 2015

Just need the makers or whoever to go look at and emulate the PVP leveling aspect from Dark Age of Camelot and this game would be perfection.

I still love the game tho

HansenPvP · December 2015

Get a zerg and go at it make sure its organized, 1 million AP/8 hrs and its fast leveling if you guys know what youre doing

Waffennacht · December 2015

HansenPvP wrote: »

Get a zerg and go at it make sure its organized, 1 million AP/8 hrs and its fast leveling if you guys know what youre doing

The problem is the know what you are doing part. I don't! I just kill players, that's all i wanna do! Lol

DurzoBlint13 · December 2015

I only recently started playing Pvp in this game, and at first I was only doing it to get Vigor (at rank 4 1/4 now). Once I started it gets addicting! Lol I hated it at first but then I started to figure out good combos and sequences to use and I am actually getting better. Once you get that first 1v1 kill and realize that getting ambushed by nightblades is not the only thing there is to PvP it gets a lot more enjoyable.
My problem now is this- I need advice and a good group to run with to refine my play even more. I want to get in to Azura Star since I hear that is where the real action is but I need to find a group (or guild) to show me the ropes. If anyone would be willing to have a PvP newb in their group and offer a few pointers I would greatly appreciate it. I run a stam-sorc vr16 in Daggerfall. I think today is the day I can change my guest server so I am switching to Azura. I keep my home as Skull since I am still a newb. Hope to see some of you on the field!

Draxys · December 2015

HansenPvP wrote: »

Get a zerg and go at it make sure its organized, 1 million AP/8 hrs and its fast leveling if you guys know what youre doing

A million AP in a night was actually possible at launch. So many oblivious people in oils.

ThePonzzz · December 2015

PvP is a long grind. You have to enjoy yourself to really get far. You're not going to be able to breeze through it like any other portion of this game. The first big milestone is getting caltrops. It's a huge game changer in PvP and solo play. You'll start getting a lot of partial AP while grouping, you get a lot of accidental kills. But most importantly, it burns through enemy resources. But from here on out, it's about double the AP to that first big milestone. It's a long ways to see any more ranks.

If you're wanting to grind AP, you need to get into a group that isn't about pushing keeps. Defending over long periods is where the AP is at. And you need to be on a campaign that is poplocked. The traffic is a lot better. On a good night of defending keeps, I'll see about 40k to 50k AP in a few hours. On a good night of pushing the inner keeps, I might see 20k.

Johngo0036 · December 2015

zornyan wrote: »

It's really not that bad, a good pvp player will do around 100 150k in a day

then I must suck.. lol..

Just kidding..