zornyan wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Oh c'mon people, let's get real. Look at the forums within the first month or two after the game's launch. Templars have always been OP:

Ok I have seen some posts about people complaining they find it hard to solo with this class. Let me solve all your problems with 2 easy steps.

Put Sun lance (don't know the proper names but all good Templars will know what i'm taking about)

And white fireball that hits up to 3 targets at the same time.

Done your sorted with that you can take on the world now.

Templars are the GOD mode class (April 2014)

Templars are really strong right now as well. I’m tired of hearing 'templars are weak' from players reading rumors from templar stamina spammers that doesn't know any better, on too many forums... This build is very effective and strong in solo PvP, group PvP, and PvE. Basically everything. You will be strong in both healing and doing damage anywhere you go.

Templar with Destro + Resto. This is THE build with everything. Kills anyone in 6 seconds guaranteed (May 2014)



These, too:

Templars can solo packs of elites/cyrodiil resources and have constant 100% dodge/be invincible (May 2014)

By The Light | A Templar PvP Movie (May 2014)



And it didn't stop right after launch:

Radiant Destruction and Biting Jabs 1.6 (January 2015)


Radiant ********* Destruction... Seriously (March 2015)



It's still an issue:

Puncturing sweeps, Puncturing sweeps,Puncturing sweeps, Puncturing sweeps,Puncturing sweeps, Puncturing sweeps, YOU DIED.

Puncturing sweeps, Puncturing sweeps, (September 2015)

Playing on Azura star today on ps4 na server and run into a vet 2 immortal templar. 30 guys couldn't kill him as his health continuously falls to zero he just jumps away. I tried to take a vid but held the share button and ended up with a screen shot.

The craziest thing happened today (November 2015)



The one-class terror that is Templar must be reigned in.

Are you trolling? That's pre soft caps, which removal of made sorcs and nb god mode.

If 30 players couldn't kill a templar he was probably an emperor and they were terrible terrible players, I've seen that happen with many classes and times.

Biting jabs barely hits half the time, it doesn't work on shields either.

Most of our skills are heavily bugged and don't work, radiant doesn't even apply execution damage most of the time, it's also blockable and dodge roll able.

Several of those links were put up post-soft caps.

dsalter wrote: »

it's silly really, i rarely see a templar as anything but a healer anymore.

And even that gets nerfed. I mean, the new nerfs are to skills that not many templars use. But gimmie a break. SO FRAKIN SICK of templar nerfs. Even if it was a fix to something they did, its not as if Tamriel is in danger from g-damn templars.

Seriously. Every patch.

Its been said before and I will say it again, damit. Zos, you have no idea how frustrating it is to be a consumer of your product.

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

DO US ALL A FAVOR AND REMOVE THIS GOD DAMN CLASS ALREADY.

Noooo... I rolled a Templar to test out the "Build with Everything" I linked above back when that thread was first posted. What would happen to that character?

BalticBlues wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

30+ abilities of pretty much all skilltrees are NOT WORKING CORRECTLY.
The whole Combat code is a complete mess.
There are errors in numerous formulas.
BUT BETTER NERF SPEARS

The four stages of Templar nerfs:
1. Annoyment (really?)
2. Frustration (really again?)
3. Capitulation (no more nerfs please!)
4. Sarcasm (more nerfs please!)

I just remain at sarcasm now; it saves time.

AFAIK, the original performance change (I'm laughing too) was supposed to halve the number of damage ticks (nerf due to Burning Light proc'ing less) but ended up just increasing the damage. This was a huge issue for Refreshing Path which got glitched beyond belief and was healing for 20k+ a tick. Anyway, ZOS used a bandaid fix on Refreshing Path (because ZOS thinks that solves everything) so this is the result of that comedy of errors.

I honestly do not know if the tick frequency was ever changed or not since the patch notes do not even make this clear. If the frequency of damage ticks was not changed then this simply reverts Blazing Spear back to its original (yet underwhelming) state. If the frequency of ticks was indeed halved then this is a huge damage nerf. I honestly can't keep track of all of ZOS' undocumented mistakes at this point. Does anyone know if Blazing Spear ticks every second or every 2s now?

tinythinker wrote: »

Oh c'mon people, let's get real. Look at the forums within the first month or two after the game's launch. Templars have always been OP:

Ok I have seen some posts about people complaining they find it hard to solo with this class. Let me solve all your problems with 2 easy steps.

Put Sun lance (don't know the proper names but all good Templars will know what i'm taking about)

And white fireball that hits up to 3 targets at the same time.

Done your sorted with that you can take on the world now.

Templars are the GOD mode class (April 2014)

Templars are really strong right now as well. I’m tired of hearing 'templars are weak' from players reading rumors from templar stamina spammers that doesn't know any better, on too many forums... This build is very effective and strong in solo PvP, group PvP, and PvE. Basically everything. You will be strong in both healing and doing damage anywhere you go.

Templar with Destro + Resto. This is THE build with everything. Kills anyone in 6 seconds guaranteed (May 2014)



These, too:

Templars can solo packs of elites/cyrodiil resources and have constant 100% dodge/be invincible (May 2014)

By The Light | A Templar PvP Movie (May 2014)



And it didn't stop right after launch:

Radiant Destruction and Biting Jabs 1.6 (January 2015)


Radiant ********* Destruction... Seriously (March 2015)



It's still an issue:

Puncturing sweeps, Puncturing sweeps,Puncturing sweeps, Puncturing sweeps,Puncturing sweeps, Puncturing sweeps, YOU DIED.

Puncturing sweeps, Puncturing sweeps, (September 2015)

Playing on Azura star today on ps4 na server and run into a vet 2 immortal templar. 30 guys couldn't kill him as his health continuously falls to zero he just jumps away. I tried to take a vid but held the share button and ended up with a screen shot.

The craziest thing happened today (November 2015)



The one-class terror that is Templar must be reigned in.

lol do u even ESO bro?
for every link u posted there are 50 links of NB being op, 50 for sorc being OP, and 50 for Temps asking fixing/buffs for all their crap skills

My best guess is that after the last nerf, Zeni ran some stats and saw that some people are still not playing nightblades or sorcerers. They won't put up with that. They'll finish neutering Templar damage skills, then move on to finish squashing dragonknights. Then they'll circle back to tackle that pesky Templar healing business.

I think they nerfed it because of the healing, not the dmg.

The way it was, I could solo any group of mobs no worries because of my CP in healing and stuff I recieved almost as much as the dmg I do. So no the dmg isnt crazy, but when you are healing for 400+ w/e points per hit. Hitting 3-4 mobs per hit, well.... all the PvE solo content becomes ... well it's hard to die.

However you still get slammed by the DPS walls and PvP. So this dmg reduc really wasnt the proper fix. It should have been recognized and left with the higher than intended dmg value. You could have reduced the healing from 40% to 30% instead or ... just not touch it.

I'm saying this because I played last night and felt like the healing received was almost halved with the new dmg values (I never really used it for dmg, more for a cheap healing)

@Sounomi

The problem is that the global battle spirit changes pretty much killed Sun Shield. Jabs are still glitched against damage shields and do not get the +140% bonus damage, not to mention they grant CC immunity for what is the worst CC effect in the game. Eclipse cannot be used on CC-immune targets and you can only cast it one target at a time now. Restoring Light passives do not work on Stamina heals, yet DK's passives do. The performance fix that started this thread was supposed to double the damage per tick to compensate for halving the frequency of ticks, which completely neglects how Burning Light procs. I can keep going of course but you get the idea.

For you to claim that Templars are in a good place neglects the currently bugged issues that have plagued the class for quite a long time now. This most recent debacle only highlights ZOS' inability to actually make changes without accidentally nerfing the class. I mean Toppling Charge has been bugged since beta but could you imagine if Ambush had the same problem? Templars need major bug fixing before I would ever consider them to be in a good place.

Nerfing an already underpowered skill (that no-one was complaining about) on an underpowered class (where dps is concerned) is frankly just embarrassing. It shows poor judgement and a total lack of understanding of what issues the Templar class faces. Doesn't inspire much confidence.

tinythinker wrote: »

In addition to participating in new threads about specific recent changes, don't forget there is still an active Templar Update thread on the Developer Discussion forum for another avenue to give feedback on the changes you would like to see

Nice troll post. *clap*
Could only be trumped in its cynicism if you were a ZOS staff member saying this.

More Templar bugs and completely useless abilities listed by Springt-Über-Zwerge in a post today:

"1. No 140% bonus on shields for jabs
2. Last hit of Jabs somtimes doesnt even hit
3. no execute damage for Jesus beam
4. Radiant sweep not hitting anything at all (also 5m radius for an ultimade is ridiculous)
5. eclipse bug
6. global cooldown on toppling charge
7. completely useless sun shield
8. completely useless backlash due to cap not scaling with spell/weapondamage
9. completely useless eclipse thanks to unnessesary nerf to 1 target
10. completely useless rite of passage thanks to barrier being 100 times better
11. completely useless healing ritual
12. completely useless radiant aura thanks to potion buffs
13. why is sun fire doing firedamage as only templar skill which forces me to either not use the skill because its crap since its missing the 25% from thaumaturge or put points in elemetal expert and weakening all my other abilities

Now to passives:

1. way lower proc chance of burning light than 25%
2. ballanced warrior being everything else than ballanced (missing spelldamage)
3. enduring rays rowering templar dps (backlash)
4. light weaver being completely useless thanks to rite of passage and healing ritual being useless
5. master ritualist soulgem return bugged
6. missing ressource sustain for Templars in the passives 4% is laughable (sorcs for excample have 5% plus 15% ult cost reduction plus 20% magicka and stam regen)


And why on earth would you double nerf blazing spear I cant see any logic in nerfing the dps of the class with the lowest dps

also give us back a good aoe CC like blinding flashes
Edited by Springt-Über-Zwerge on December 2, 2015 11:24AM"

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