blazing spear damage reduction?

dsalter · December 2015

can i ask why? i don't really use a temp but i'm curious as to why one of the over beaten horses of a class keeps getting reductions rather than fixes?

Lylith · December 2015

after careful consideration over nearly two years time, i've come to believe that zeni hates templars.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · December 2015

ZOS can't drop a proper patch without a unnecessary templar nerf. It's tradition at this point.

dsalter · December 2015

i just don't get the specific nerfs they apply, blazing was no way hitting hard at all, if anything i expected something like an increased time between cleansing purges or a healing reduction on rites or something that actually does well, but blazing?

AngryNord · December 2015

Guess some dev ventured into PvP for the first time and got ganked by a Templar using blazing spear...

cazlonb16_ESO · December 2015

I finally caved and ditched my Templar last week, thanks for timely confirming that was the right decision ZOS.

The class is a complete mess, how you decide to nerf a damage wise already extremely poor skill instead of fixing any of the multiple actual issues with Templars is just mind boggling.

PainfulFAFA · December 2015

Doesn't nerf Steel Tornado, or Purge, or Barrier...

Nerfs weak single target ability..

-zos logic

Kaliki · December 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

ZOS can't drop a proper patch without a unnecessary templar nerf. It's tradition at this point.

QFT.

Nifty2g · December 2015

Ignore the Sorcerer Shield Stacking, Purge Spamming, Steel Torando Ball Group Spam, Fire Ring Spam, Prox Det Spam, Dragon Leap Spam

BUT... let us nerf the weakest of them all, Blazing Spear. Who complains about this skill?

What are you even thinking at this point @Wrobel why do you want to nerf Templars into the ground for no apparent reason? Steel Tornado is an EXECUTE AoE with 15 meters. And there is no real Physical Damage Reduction to the Champion System so you are taking full damage from it, however throw 70 points into Hardy and Blazing Spear will hit for little to nothing.

ZOS you should probably talk to the community before throwing in nerfs all the time in attempts to fix something that isn't a problem.

BalticBlues · December 2015

ALL non-NB players I know complain about OP NIGHTBLADES.
Instead almost each patch CRIPPLES TEMPLARS a little bit more.

btw: Necrotic Orbs also have been nerfed.
As a Templar, I come to the point where I do not know anymore how to range attack?

Are there any attack skills for Templars that have not been broken or nerfed into the ground?
With each patch Templars are nerfed into even more defensive, slow, powerless healing snails.

This is what my daughter just said to me who now also changed from a Sorc to a NB:
"Daddy, you are SCREWED. In PvP, my Sorc is twice as effective as your Templar.
My new NB even is twice as effective as my beloved Sorc. I just have to play NB."

Does ZOS want all people to play NB?
I am fed up with this unbalanced mess ZOS calls PvP.
I am playing since beginning, but at some point enough is enough.

usmcjdking · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ignore the Sorcerer Shield Stacking, Purge Spamming, Steel Torando Ball Group Spam, Fire Ring Spam, Prox Det Spam, Dragon Leap Spam

BUT... let us nerf the weakest of them all, Blazing Spear. Who complains about this skill?

What are you even thinking at this point @Wrobel why do you want to nerf Templars into the ground for no apparent reason? Steel Tornado is an EXECUTE AoE with 15 meters. And there is no real Physical Damage Reduction to the Champion System so you are taking full damage from it, however throw 70 points into Hardy and Blazing Spear will hit for little to nothing.

ZOS you should probably talk to the community before throwing in nerfs all the time in attempts to fix something that isn't a problem.

Blazing Spear is now worse DPS than refreshing path loooooooooooooool.

AngryNord · December 2015

Guess I may as well quit this game... At least my LoTRO level 60 Captain can hold his own 95% of the time and even does acceptable DPS...

Xantaria · December 2015

It's so funny .... Nerfing it as if it would have been oneshotting bosses. LOL.

As if templars were known for their good AoE. HAHAHA

nice meme zenimax

Islyn · December 2015

I agree Blazing Spears did not need a nerf, but: It was only incorrectly having higher damage from 2.2.5, according to this:

Fixed several minor issues for the following abilities, based on the adjustments made in patch v2.2.5:
Blazing Spear: Decreased the damage values, which were previously higher than intended.

Artheiron · December 2015

take flight

Nifty2g wrote: »

Ignore the Sorcerer Shield Stacking, Purge Spamming, Steel Torando Ball Group Spam, Fire Ring Spam, Prox Det Spam, Dragon Leap Spam

DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP DRAGON LEAP

^ This is a "dragon leap" spam. Maybe you're drunk so I'll be polite. You can't spam an ultimate.

Kelces · December 2015

zornyan · December 2015

Islyn wrote: »

I agree Blazing Spears did not need a nerf, but: It was only incorrectly having higher damage from 2.2.5, according to this:

Fixed several minor issues for the following abilities, based on the adjustments made in patch v2.2.5:
Blazing Spear: Decreased the damage values, which were previously higher than intended.

It wasn't even having higher damage, the tooltip may have gone up a small amount, but it ticks less amount of times meaning it procs Burning light less.

So even with the inflated tooltip it actually didn't do any more damage than before. Now it does a chunk less

Van_0S · December 2015

I guess zeni loves Assassin creed and harry potter,a lot.

So, that explains their nerfs

Alcast · December 2015

Zenimax just loves killing templars.

Atm in PvP:
75% NBs
20% Sorcs
4% Dks
1% Temp

*** NB heaven all over the place, AND REMEMBER, next patch ZOS is going to buff the "weak" passives of NB. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL wtf srsly

MLRPZ · December 2015

We have always been kinda useless running solo or very small scale, yes a good templar is the core of a group, but when there's no one to play with ? meh just reroll a NB like eveyone else and pew pew with camo on...

On my support build, Blazing spears is my only DPS. Hopefully, it still stuns and return stamina WOOP WOOP

Islyn · December 2015

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Doesn't nerf Steel Tornado, or Purge, or Barrier...

Nerfs weak single target ability..

-zos logic

zornyan wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

I agree Blazing Spears did not need a nerf, but: It was only incorrectly having higher damage from 2.2.5, according to this:

Fixed several minor issues for the following abilities, based on the adjustments made in patch v2.2.5:
Blazing Spear: Decreased the damage values, which were previously higher than intended.

It wasn't even having higher damage, the tooltip may have gone up a small amount, but it ticks less amount of times meaning it procs Burning light less.

So even with the inflated tooltip it actually didn't do any more damage than before. Now it does a chunk less

Oh thanks for the details.

ContraTempo · December 2015

MLRPZ wrote: »

We have always been kinda useless running solo or very small scale, yes a good templar is the core of a group, but when there's no one to play with ? meh just reroll a NB like eveyone else and pew pew with camo on...

On my support build, Blazing spears is my only DPS. Hopefully, it still stuns and return stamina WOOP WOOP

Exactly. NB in PvP is an assassin and yeah they are really good at nuking a target. That's what they do. A NB healer? Not so much.

Kas · December 2015

If I play my NB, every second action I take is actually a misplay if I think about it after a fight. Still I can perform about as good as I do when soloing my templar. Seriously, I made a cheaper equip for the NB and spammign rnadom skills, messing up 70% of LA-skill-bash combos so that I don't even perform a skill and STILL I kill as much as i kill with my templar that I have been playing for AGES and couldn't name a single thing I messed up after a fight...

Alcast wrote: »

Zenimax just loves killing templars.

Atm in PvP:
75% NBs
20% Sorcs
4% Dks
1% Temp

*** NB heaven all over the place, AND REMEMBER, next patch ZOS is going to buff the "weak" passives of NB. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL wtf srsly

that's not true, but only because there's still quite a number of "healers". Granted, BoL really is great (time to nerf so we can finally remove one of the classes and make the game more balanced!!!), but every templar that spams 90% resto skills should look at where to get major mending and think about rerolling.

further, there are many templar players who consider themselves "healers" and just have no idea how bad they are. playing something else, you get an idea of your performance if you get stomped 1v1. While it's true that you cannot do much with only supportive skills, people lack the feedback of how well they actually do.

I'm not saying all templar are bad - not at all. I just want to point out why I think there are actually still far more than 1% templars in pvp even though balance should probably lead to stats like that.

Xantaria wrote: »

It's so funny .... Nerfing it as if it would have been oneshotting bosses. LOL.

As if templars were known for their good AoE. HAHAHA

nice meme zenimax

agree!
at this point, i think it's really just a meme. it's by far the best explanation.

EgoRush · December 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

ALL non-NB players I know complain about OP NIGHTBLADES.
Instead almost each patch CRIPPLES TEMPLARS a little bit more.

btw: Necrotic Orbs also have been nerfed.
As a Templar, I come to the point where I do not know anymore how to range attack?

Are there any attack skills for Templars that have not been broken or nerfed into the ground?
With each patch Templars are nerfed into even more defensive, slow, powerless healing snails.

This is what my daughter just said to me who now also changed from a Sorc to a NB:
"Daddy, you are SCREWED. In PvP, my Sorc is twice as effective as your Templar.
My new NB even is twice as effective as my beloved Sorc. I just have to play NB."

Does ZOS want all people to play NB?
I am fed up with this unbalanced mess ZOS calls PvP.
I am playing since beginning, but at some point enough is enough.

With regards to Necrotic Orbs the nerf was needed, I mean they travel at like 100 miles per hour and are almost impossible to avoid. It was OP as heck and completely destroying PvP and PvE where they are known for one-shotting bosses.
/sarcasm

Seriously, these nerfs to Blazing Spear and Mystic Orbs were wholly unnecessary and are absolutely ridiculous. Do ZOS even play their own game? I play it quite a lot and can say I haven't seen someone get Blazing Speared or Mystic Orbed to death. Changes like this show how little they listen to the community and know about their own game. More changes like this will be the death of it for me.

Xantaria · December 2015

30+ abilities of pretty much all skilltrees are NOT WORKING CORRECTLY.

The whole Combat code is a complete mess.

There are errors in numerous formulas.

BUT

BETTER NERF SPEARS

...

And I don't even play Templar. And I would never ever have thought about complaining about this ability.

dsalter · December 2015

it's silly really, i rarely see a templar as anything but a healer anymore.

BalticBlues · December 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

30+ abilities of pretty much all skilltrees are NOT WORKING CORRECTLY.
The whole Combat code is a complete mess.
There are errors in numerous formulas.
BUT BETTER NERF SPEARS

The four stages of Templar nerfs:
1. Annoyment (really?)
2. Frustration (really again?)
3. Capitulation (no more nerfs please!)
4. Sarcasm (more nerfs please!)

Nifty2g · December 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

30+ abilities of pretty much all skilltrees are NOT WORKING CORRECTLY.
The whole Combat code is a complete mess.
There are errors in numerous formulas.
BUT BETTER NERF SPEARS

The four stages of Templar nerfs:
1. Annoyment (really?)
2. Frustration (really again?)
3. Capitulation (no more nerfs please!)
4. Sarcasm (more nerfs please!)

This is true, I had this exact process when i seen the nerf

bertenburnyb16_ESO · December 2015

Making bad skills worse since april 2014

tinythinker · December 2015

Oh c'mon people, let's get real. Look at the forums within the first month or two after the game's launch. Templars have always been OP:

Ok I have seen some posts about people complaining they find it hard to solo with this class. Let me solve all your problems with 2 easy steps.

Put Sun lance (don't know the proper names but all good Templars will know what i'm taking about)

And white fireball that hits up to 3 targets at the same time.

Done your sorted with that you can take on the world now.

Templars are the GOD mode class (April 2014)

Templars are really strong right now as well. I’m tired of hearing 'templars are weak' from players reading rumors from templar stamina spammers that doesn't know any better, on too many forums... This build is very effective and strong in solo PvP, group PvP, and PvE. Basically everything. You will be strong in both healing and doing damage anywhere you go.

Templar with Destro + Resto. This is THE build with everything. Kills anyone in 6 seconds guaranteed (May 2014)

These, too:

Templars can solo packs of elites/cyrodiil resources and have constant 100% dodge/be invincible (May 2014)

By The Light | A Templar PvP Movie (May 2014)

And it didn't stop right after launch:

Radiant Destruction and Biting Jabs 1.6 (January 2015)

Radiant ********* Destruction... Seriously (March 2015)

It's still an issue:

Puncturing sweeps, Puncturing sweeps,Puncturing sweeps, Puncturing sweeps,Puncturing sweeps, Puncturing sweeps, YOU DIED.

Puncturing sweeps, Puncturing sweeps, (September 2015)

Feels like an "I win button" against any melee stamina build.

Everyone talks like there is nothing wrong here, but a templar is soloing 3 of us in Crackwood cave right now, and he is almost exclusively just spamming puncturing sweep, thatTemplar ultimate( I think it's called eclipse) and the shield from healing staff. That is it. And he is cleaning the floor with us. I know Im not very good at PvP, but one person shouldn't be able to solo 3 people over and over again when they are only using 3 abilities.

Is anything going to be done about puncturing strikes? (September 2015)

Playing on Azura star today on ps4 na server and run into a vet 2 immortal templar. 30 guys couldn't kill him as his health continuously falls to zero he just jumps away. I tried to take a vid but held the share button and ended up with a screen shot.

The craziest thing happened today (November 2015)

The one-class terror that is Templar must be reigned in.

MrGigglypants · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Zenimax just loves killing templars.

Atm in PvP:
75% NBs
20% Sorcs
4% Dks
1% Temp

*** NB heaven all over the place, AND REMEMBER, next patch ZOS is going to buff the "weak" passives of NB. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOL wtf srsly

I'd say 45% NB 35% sorcerer 15% temp 5 % dk with disabilities a day temperature being out of favor purely due to mobility and lore appeal. 1v1 the classes aren't leagues apart tby give temperature some mobility and design a stamp flame lash morph and the world would be right.