Which Alliance is the most evil?

Leandor · November 2015

Always the two I am not currently playing on (I have chars in all three factions).

CapnPhoton · November 2015

I am not sure since I have only really played one. But to me, Pact sounds like a loose alliance or cooperation between a bunch of smaller leaders, Covenant sounds religious or fanatical, Dominion sounds like an empire.

These are just feelings on the words themselves, not from experience with play. I remember thinking this when I first looked on the website while I was waiting for the beta to download.

MrDerrikk · November 2015

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Valrien wrote: »

The DC there are pretty bad too, right out of Stonefalls they are raiding villages and killing innocent civilians.

Even though I'm biased as a DC supporter myself, I see the Stonefalls + starter islands quests to be a good example of how they are not quite as bad as the others, as all they did in those zones was pretty normal war tactics, unlike Shadowfen where AD just went insane

LadyNalcarya · November 2015

Ebonhart Pact - explain

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

The DC there are pretty bad too, right out of Stonefalls they are raiding villages and killing innocent civilians.

Even though I'm biased as a DC supporter myself, I see the Stonefalls + starter islands quests to be a good example of how they are not quite as bad as the others, as all they did in those zones was pretty normal war tactics, unlike Shadowfen where AD just went insane

What General Serien did is not a normal war tactic, and he would probably be put to death if Emeric knew what's going on.

MrDerrikk · November 2015

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

CapnPhoton wrote: »

I am not sure since I have only really played one. But to me, Pact sounds like a loose alliance or cooperation between a bunch of smaller leaders, Covenant sounds religious or fanatical, Dominion sounds like an empire.

These are just feelings on the words themselves, not from experience with play. I remember thinking this when I first looked on the website while I was waiting for the beta to download.

Covenant is definitely not fanatical, and the worst actually tends to come out when you're invading their area. You'll find the main exception with the second DC starter island...

Enodoc · November 2015

Daraugh wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

I don't think any of them are particularly evil. The AD as an organization has no racial supremacy in this era; it was specifically created as a union of multicultural territories. The racial supremacists in Altmeri lands during this time frame are the Veiled Heritance.

The storyline in Shadowfen makes a good case against the AD, but just as with the DC general in Stonefalls, the AD general in Shadowfen is rogue, operating beyond his alliance's protocols to further his own means.

I think Molag Bal is doing a good job turning everyone against each other. I admit I clicked EP as a knee jerk reaction to their attempts enslave Argonians, Khajiit and anyone else they can get their unclawed hands on, but neither the Nords or Argonians are evil. The Dunmer just grab center stage it seems.

@Enodoc, do you remember the name of the general? I'm trying to recall the quest because it was pretty horrible and I think I blocked a lot of it out lol.

@Daraugh The Dominion General was called Ruuvitar, and the Covenant General was called Serien. Quests "The Dominion's Alchemist" and "The General's Demise".

failkiwib16_ESO · November 2015

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

I must admit, I play AD and we are the most evil faction, specially considering if you have played Skyrim, you know the Dominion will expand and become the strongest power in Tamriel around 800 years into the future

Enodoc · November 2015

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

I must admit, I play AD and we are the most evil faction, specially considering if you have played Skyrim, you know the Dominion will expand and become the strongest power in Tamriel around 800 years into the future

Completely different organization. They reused Ayrenn's alliance name but didn't take any of their values.

Daraugh · November 2015

Ebonhart Pact - explain

Thanks, @Enodoc! I don't recall Ruuvitar being a general, but it's been a while since I played through Shadowfen.

@mr_wazzabi makes an excellent point about the Orrery Chamber! I hadn't thought of that, but if Ayrenn had that kind of evil at heart, she would have been transformed.

Robo_Hobo · November 2015

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I haven't completed gold yet and I did skip a few dungeons but I have not heard of one quest involving the pact in any of the other 2 areas, I have seen the dominion in daggerfall and the covenent in AD but I have yet to see the pact in either.

There is a small bit of pact involvement in DC Alik'r with some boats in the northeast, and in AD Auridon near the middle-north-east, I can't remember specifics. There was also a boat, and an Ayleid ruin, and some pact troops walking around.

Pretty minor compared to the others though, but they are there.

Enodoc · November 2015

Daraugh wrote: »

Thanks, @Enodoc! I don't recall Ruuvitar being a general, but it's been a while since I played through Shadowfen.

He probably wasn't, but he was still in charge of that detachment of AD troops.

Catblade · November 2015

This one eats lizard eggs all the time. Tastes good with garlic

KewaG · November 2015

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

Dagger Fall has attempted to Raise the dead to create an army. Raising the dead sounds like a worm cult thing. Worm cult is responsible for the constructing the dark anchors. Dark anchors are used to summon daedra in an attempt to pull Tamriel into Cold Horbor. Conclusion, Dagger Fall Covenant is the most evil of all the factions.

Also, just to point this out, Thallik Wormfather is a Breton and Angof the Undying (or the Gravesinger as known in Tamriel) is Reachmen who are related to the Breton's. Breton's are members of the Daggerfall Covenant. AD and EP are morally ambiguous most of the time but to call them evil is too strong of a phrase to describe their actions. Most of the evil in this era, aside from Mannimarco of course, seems to be coming from the DC faction, namely the Breton's.

Tavore1138 · November 2015

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

AD - best ruler but truly evil Thalmor and bosmer who'd kill you for picking the wrong flower.

DC have the worst ruler - Emeric is totally useless and whiny.

EP - slavery and crazy nords... not evil but lousy choice to rule Tamriel.

Khaos_Bane · November 2015

Ebonhart Pact - explain

Look, I selected EP because I can. Seriously though, the Bosmer make the AD look bad. The Bosmer are just lunatics, we all know this.

However, the Altmer have superior looks, brains, and brawn. The Altmer are simply the most fit to rule and BY FAR the superior race in ALL of Tamriel.

If you had to be one of the races in Tamriel wouldn't EVERYONE pick Altmer? Of course they would !

Uriel_Nocturne · November 2015

I didn't vote because: If it isn't Ebonheart, then it is evil.

:P

Count_Dracula · November 2015

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Because AD and DC have some sort of agreement to only attack EP when in PvP. I hate both factions and I would rather delete my character before joining them. EBONHEART TILL I DIE!!!!!!!!!

Enodoc · November 2015

KewaG wrote: »

Dagger Fall has attempted to Raise the dead to create an army. Raising the dead sounds like a worm cult thing. Worm cult is responsible for the constructing the dark anchors. Dark anchors are used to summon daedra in an attempt to pull Tamriel into Cold Horbor. Conclusion, Dagger Fall Covenant is the most evil of all the factions.

Also, just to point this out, Thallik Wormfather is a Breton and Angof the Undying (or the Gravesinger as known in Tamriel) is Reachmen who are related to the Breton's. Breton's are members of the Daggerfall Covenant. AD and EP are morally ambiguous most of the time but to call them evil is too strong of a phrase to describe their actions. Most of the evil in this era, aside from Mannimarco of course, seems to be coming from the DC faction, namely the Breton's.

Not all Bretons are part of the Covenant, and the Reachmen have no affiliation with them. The Reachmen are affiliated with Molag Bal. I'm pretty sure Thallik Wormfather is a Nord. DC never attempted to raise the dead (we established above that rogue operatives do not count), but a renegade privateer may have convinced the DC leadership to gain control of some spirits that had already been awoken by the Bloodthorn Cult.

SemiD4rkness · November 2015

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Those AD Zergs are evil AF.

Artjuh90 · November 2015

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

AD:
altmer: elven equivalent of ***'s
Bosmer: cannibals
Khajiit: steals everything without any regreat + makes highly addictive skooma

KewaG · November 2015

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

Enodoc wrote: »

KewaG wrote: »

Dagger Fall has attempted to Raise the dead to create an army. Raising the dead sounds like a worm cult thing. Worm cult is responsible for the constructing the dark anchors. Dark anchors are used to summon daedra in an attempt to pull Tamriel into Cold Horbor. Conclusion, Dagger Fall Covenant is the most evil of all the factions.

Also, just to point this out, Thallik Wormfather is a Breton and Angof the Undying (or the Gravesinger as known in Tamriel) is Reachmen who are related to the Breton's. Breton's are members of the Daggerfall Covenant. AD and EP are morally ambiguous most of the time but to call them evil is too strong of a phrase to describe their actions. Most of the evil in this era, aside from Mannimarco of course, seems to be coming from the DC faction, namely the Breton's.

Not all Bretons are part of the Covenant, and the Reachmen have no affiliation with them. The Reachmen are affiliated with Molag Bal. I'm pretty sure Thallik Wormfather is a Nord. DC never attempted to raise the dead (we established above that rogue operatives do not count), but a renegade privateer may have convinced the DC leadership to gain control of some spirits that had already been awoken by the Bloodthorn Cult.

I've checked two different sources with two different conclusions. One source claims he is Breton while the other claims that he is Nord. My mistrust of the internet is coming back full force.

I could swear there was a quest were DC was attacking EP and trying to raise the dead to attack. I guess I'm wrong on all points. Now I'm just gonna say DC just because I hate them. I don't really, just sticking to my guns....

LadyNalcarya · November 2015

Ebonhart Pact - explain

Artjuh90 wrote: »

AD:
altmer: elven equivalent of ***'s
Bosmer: cannibals
Khajiit: steals everything without any regreat + makes highly addictive skooma

DC:
Bretons: a whole race cosplaying game of thrones.
Redguards: presumably sunk their own continent, Yokuda.
Orcs: dumb brutes and chauvinistic pigs.

EP:
Dunmer: enslavers and daedra worshippers.
Nords: they wiped Skyrim natives and are opressing Reachmen. Also they're all stupid drunkards.
Argonians: thieves, slaves and assassins. Also theyre probably eating imperial children.

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Those AD Zergs are evil AF.

I can say the same about DC zergs

But it depends on your server really.

NateAssassin · November 2015

All of the sides have their ups and downs, there is no "evil" faction, why isn't this an option on the poll for this?

Artjuh90 · November 2015

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

AD:
altmer: elven equivalent of ***'s
Bosmer: cannibals
Khajiit: steals everything without any regreat + makes highly addictive skooma

DC:
Bretons: a whole race cosplaying game of thrones.
Redguards: presumably sunk their own continent, Yokuda.
Orcs: dumb brutes and chauvinistic pigs.

EP:
Dunmer: enslavers and daedra worshippers.
Nords: they wiped Skyrim natives and are opressing Reachmen. Also they're all stupid drunkards.
Argonians: thieves, slaves and assassins. Also theyre probably eating imperial children.

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Those AD Zergs are evil AF.

I can say the same about DC zergs But it depends on your server really.

well about the reachman same can be said about the bretons
Brentos are older as GoT
Redguards... well i kinda felt bad first run on pc with my redgurd dk when i entered alik'r. always had a great opinion about them being a strong warrior race, but summon 3 undead and they can wipe their race cause they can't stike down their cursed ancestors -,-'.
orcs: no love 4 my dk on consoles

Dumner: damn elves

Nords: drink beer and fight what's new
Argonians: not that many are thieves though, they can't help being enslaved, and only when born under the sign of the shadow are assassins who are trained for it, you could even compair it to most military soldiers ingame who do the same

iamnotweakrwb17_ESO · November 2015

Bosmer eat their victims so I am going to say AD.

Azurephoenix999 · November 2015

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

AD because skin stealing, plus trying to make the argonians extinct.

Totalitarian · November 2015

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

While most of my characters are AD, I think it can be obvious from the motifs of the Aldmeri Dominion that they have the most evil motifs according to our definition.

Racial superiority is generally seen as evil today.

LadyNalcarya · November 2015

Ebonhart Pact - explain

Totalitarian wrote: »

While most of my characters are AD, I think it can be obvious from the motifs of the Aldmeri Dominion that they have the most evil motifs according to our definition.

Racial superiority is generally seen as evil today.

But during the AD questline we're kinda fighting against altmer supremacists...

TX12001rwb17_ESO · November 2015

Any alliance that does not put their faith in the 3 are evil.

Shunravi · November 2015

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

While most of my characters are AD, I think it can be obvious from the motifs of the Aldmeri Dominion that they have the most evil motifs according to our definition.

Racial superiority is generally seen as evil today.

But during the AD questline we're kinda fighting against altmer supremacists...

Its not just kinda, its an all out purge against the supremicists.