Which Alliance is the most evil?

RAGUNAnoOne

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Count_Dracula wrote: »

Because AD and DC have some sort of agreement to only attack EP when in PvP. I hate both factions and I would rather delete my character before joining them. EBONHEART TILL I DIE!!!!!!!!!

LOL caught a video of that but I don't want a youtube account so I can't share it

Enodoc

KewaG wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

KewaG wrote: »

Dagger Fall has attempted to Raise the dead to create an army. Raising the dead sounds like a worm cult thing. Worm cult is responsible for the constructing the dark anchors. Dark anchors are used to summon daedra in an attempt to pull Tamriel into Cold Horbor. Conclusion, Dagger Fall Covenant is the most evil of all the factions.
Also, just to point this out, Thallik Wormfather is a Breton and Angof the Undying (or the Gravesinger as known in Tamriel) is Reachmen who are related to the Breton's. Breton's are members of the Daggerfall Covenant. AD and EP are morally ambiguous most of the time but to call them evil is too strong of a phrase to describe their actions. Most of the evil in this era, aside from Mannimarco of course, seems to be coming from the DC faction, namely the Breton's.

Not all Bretons are part of the Covenant, and the Reachmen have no affiliation with them. The Reachmen are affiliated with Molag Bal. I'm pretty sure Thallik Wormfather is a Nord. DC never attempted to raise the dead (we established above that rogue operatives do not count), but a renegade privateer may have convinced the DC leadership to gain control of some spirits that had already been awoken by the Bloodthorn Cult.

I've checked two different sources with two different conclusions. One source claims he is Breton while the other claims that he is Nord. My mistrust of the internet is coming back full force.

Heh, yeah. I just found the other one. Personally, I think he's Imperial

I could swear there was a quest were DC was attacking EP and trying to raise the dead to attack. I guess I'm wrong on all points. Now I'm just gonna say DC just because I hate them. I don't really, just sticking to my guns....

Not at all, you're technically correct, but we were commenting above how General Serien must be operating outside of standard Covenant procedures, and if the Covenant leadership found out then he'd probably be executed. you know from playing through the Covenant storyline how much they detest necromancy, so they would never sanction its use, even against the enemy.

Artjuh90

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Count_Dracula wrote: »

Because AD and DC have some sort of agreement to only attack EP when in PvP. I hate both factions and I would rather delete my character before joining them. EBONHEART TILL I DIE!!!!!!!!!

EP 4 live \,,/

Shardaxx

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

I'm sorry to say that it's mine - Aldmeri Dominion. I didn't realise this when I started the game and chose them, but having played through all of AD, EP and halfway through DC, the missions involving AD and what they do to the other alliances makes me ashamed and I wish I could change. AD are a bunch of racist elitists and I take great pleasure in foiling their evil plots while playing the other 2 alliances.

Jura23

Shardaxx wrote: »

I'm sorry to say that it's mine - Aldmeri Dominion. I didn't realise this when I started the game and chose them, but having played through all of AD, EP and halfway through DC, the missions involving AD and what they do to the other alliances makes me ashamed and I wish I could change. AD are a bunch of racist elitists and I take great pleasure in foiling their evil plots while playing the other 2 alliances.

Elves are the wisest race of all, so it would only make sense if they rule the world. Unfortunately other races outside of Khajiit don't see this truth, so it has to be enforced first. For the greater good.

Artjuh90

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Jura23 wrote: »

Shardaxx wrote: »

I'm sorry to say that it's mine - Aldmeri Dominion. I didn't realise this when I started the game and chose them, but having played through all of AD, EP and halfway through DC, the missions involving AD and what they do to the other alliances makes me ashamed and I wish I could change. AD are a bunch of racist elitists and I take great pleasure in foiling their evil plots while playing the other 2 alliances.

Elves are the wisest race of all, so it would only make sense if they rule the world. Unfortunately other races outside of Khajiit don't see this truth, so it has to be enforced first. For the greater good.

tell that to the nords. We beat them once.... ;D

Tryxus

DC

Our leader is both Davy Jones and Viktor the Elder Vampire

Moonshadow66

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

I'd say AD.
In PvE zones (NPCs) as well as in PvP. I'm not a PvPer in that sense, but I've done the PvE quests in Cyrodiil pretty often. Whenever the map turned yellow, I was like "Sh*t, the Dominion is here!", however when it turns blue, i'm more like "Ok, the Covenant is here" XD ... for a reason^^ When I was doing these quests with my only Covenant character, I was so lucky that day that I could complete all 50 quests in one go!

Artheiron

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

AD. Elves are snobs. Elves are racists. Lore-wise I never liked elves. Except dwemers but they have issues too like enslaving snow elves, drugging them turning them into monsters etc.

In eso? I don't like AD because

Your Queen Commands

I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims.

She says she doesn't hate men but she doesn't want to see anyone other than an High Elf sitting on the ruby throne.
But thanks to ZOS' money making machine, any race-any alliance thingy, her faction lets any race to become emperor in the name of aldimeri dominion anyway. Hypocrites. Both ad and zos.

In pvp (pc/na) again I hate AD, because They don't attempt to change the map when they don't have numbers. And their weird ties with the EP... I think I should blame angryjoe here.

Artjuh90

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Artheiron wrote: »

AD. Elves are snobs. Elves are racists. Lore-wise I never liked elves. Except dwemers but they have issues too like enslaving snow elves, drugging them turning them into monsters etc.

In eso? I don't like AD because

Your Queen Commands

I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims.

She says she doesn't hate men but she doesn't want to see anyone other than an High Elf sitting on the ruby throne.
But thanks to ZOS' money making machine, any race-any alliance thingy, her faction lets any race to become emperor in the name of aldimeri dominion anyway. Hypocrites. Both ad and zos.

In pvp (pc/na) again I hate AD, because They don't attempt to change the map when they don't have numbers. And their weird ties with the EP... I think I should blame angryjoe here.

have to add the queen is 32 years old herself

Korah_Eaglecry

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I haven't completed gold yet and I did skip a few dungeons but I have not heard of one quest involving the pact in any of the other 2 areas, I have seen the dominion in daggerfall and the covenent in AD but I have yet to see the pact in either.

Theres a few quests in Glenumbra that kind of revolve around people being snatched up by Dunmer Slavers. If you spend time in Stonefalls and Shadowfen youll see people enslaved but it seems underhanded and just out of view of the major parties involved in the EP. Youll run across a farm in Stonefalls full of Khajiit that are revolting and on the eastern shore of Shadowfen youll find a Breton Slave thats ran away and trying to escape. You have to decide her fate. You'll also notice Slaver Camps scattered around Shadowfen indicating even in EP held lands that the Dunmer are ignoring the decree that Argonians are not to be enslaved. This is most likely Telvanni Slavers but I wouldnt put it past the other members considering House Dres was a party to the Maulborn. I dont recall House Dres being punished for this, seems their involvement was swept under the rug right after it was revealed.

Kelces

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

It's kind of funny - the first character I played in Morrowind was an Altmer, because I liked the "high elves" from the tabletop-game Warhammer. After that I chose a Dunmer, because I hated to be the "outsider"...didn't really matter, I realized soon.

Anyway, there was a certain arrogance, the "high elves" showed, which persisted through the whole saga. Always emphasizing the "glorious future" they, and only them, are supposed to bring about.
Sadly the seemingly innocent Bosmer aswell Kajiit got drawn into the dominion, so they could be (ab-)used as agents, which was more aligned with the skills of those people.

Since you brought that topic up, something became quite obvious to me:
In every faction, there is at least one culture, that had some major flaw from what I saw in the elder scrolls history. (I may be missing something )

In short:

Dunmer - slavery, dogmatic religion

Altmer - necromancy, divisiveness

Bretons (Orcs) - blind obedience, double-crossing

But considering the most recent events, I lean more towards AD being the worst of all.

Korah_Eaglecry

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Enodoc wrote: »

KewaG wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

KewaG wrote: »

Dagger Fall has attempted to Raise the dead to create an army. Raising the dead sounds like a worm cult thing. Worm cult is responsible for the constructing the dark anchors. Dark anchors are used to summon daedra in an attempt to pull Tamriel into Cold Horbor. Conclusion, Dagger Fall Covenant is the most evil of all the factions.
Also, just to point this out, Thallik Wormfather is a Breton and Angof the Undying (or the Gravesinger as known in Tamriel) is Reachmen who are related to the Breton's. Breton's are members of the Daggerfall Covenant. AD and EP are morally ambiguous most of the time but to call them evil is too strong of a phrase to describe their actions. Most of the evil in this era, aside from Mannimarco of course, seems to be coming from the DC faction, namely the Breton's.

Not all Bretons are part of the Covenant, and the Reachmen have no affiliation with them. The Reachmen are affiliated with Molag Bal. I'm pretty sure Thallik Wormfather is a Nord. DC never attempted to raise the dead (we established above that rogue operatives do not count), but a renegade privateer may have convinced the DC leadership to gain control of some spirits that had already been awoken by the Bloodthorn Cult.

I've checked two different sources with two different conclusions. One source claims he is Breton while the other claims that he is Nord. My mistrust of the internet is coming back full force.

Heh, yeah. I just found the other one. Personally, I think he's Imperial

I could swear there was a quest were DC was attacking EP and trying to raise the dead to attack. I guess I'm wrong on all points. Now I'm just gonna say DC just because I hate them. I don't really, just sticking to my guns....

Not at all, you're technically correct, but we were commenting above how General Serien must be operating outside of standard Covenant procedures, and if the Covenant leadership found out then he'd probably be executed. you know from playing through the Covenant storyline how much they detest necromancy, so they would never sanction its use, even against the enemy.

Sanction? No. But Aryenn would never sanction the genocide committed in Shadowfen and Jorunn wouldnt sanction the Slavers in Glenumbra. Point is that there are parties that are claiming either direct loyalty or affilitated with these factions.

Whether Serien was doing it with the authority of Emeric or not he was flying DC colors and his men, who were just as loyal to the Banner as they were to Serien did nothing about it. If we're going to just dismiss their behavior because someone along the chain of command would protest or condemn the actions. We're going to be in for a hard time pinpointing what makes one faction eviler than the other. Sure you can argue the nuances of each faction and how these things held to scrutiny would make the faction as a whole not responsible. But at the end of the day both AD and DC banner flying Armies entered EP lands and committed atrocities. And whether the Royalty knew about it or not, Aryenn and Emeric are ultimately responsible for the behavior and actions of their Officers and Soldiers. And if this sort of thing can occur because no one is looking. It begs to question how disciplined and upstanding those armies and factions are as a whole when the first opportunity to commit atrocities comes along and they take it.

Zorrashi

Ebonhart Pact - explain

Valrien wrote: »

Have you played through Shadowfen? They are killing (and possibly eating, I heard someone there talking about omelets) ARGONIAN CHILDREN! Making it so their eggs hatch stillborn. That is the most vile thing I have seen out of any of the alliances.

This is in the EP storyline though, haven't paid attention to what happens elsewhere. The DC there are pretty bad too, right out of Stonefalls they are raiding villages and killing innocent civilians.

I was kinda finicky on where the unborn argonians were in development at the time. I spotted no body parts or anything that looks like developmental fluid when the eggs are destroyed. Making them still born doesn't necessarily imply a 'body that no longer breaths' because still essentially be an...egg. Or a an egg yolk more specifically.

He could've been basically been eating the Shadowfen equivalent of a chicken egg.
(....D*mn, it sounds really insensitive when I put it like that. )

Artjuh90

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Zorrashi wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Have you played through Shadowfen? They are killing (and possibly eating, I heard someone there talking about omelets) ARGONIAN CHILDREN! Making it so their eggs hatch stillborn. That is the most vile thing I have seen out of any of the alliances.

This is in the EP storyline though, haven't paid attention to what happens elsewhere. The DC there are pretty bad too, right out of Stonefalls they are raiding villages and killing innocent civilians.

I was kinda finicky on where the unborn argonians were in development at the time. I spotted no body parts or anything that looks like developmental fluid when the eggs are destroyed. Making them still born doesn't necessarily imply a 'body that no longer breaths' because still essentially be an...egg. Or a an egg yolk more specifically.

He could've been basically been eating the Shadowfen equivalent of a chicken egg.
(....D*mn, it sounds really insensitive when I put it like that. )

would make the game to graphic . but i would enjoy it though :P

eNumbra

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

PBpsy wrote: »

DC has a very early quest in which you are presented with what I feel is the strongest moral dilemma in the game. They get upset if you do the right thing. I really fail to have any sympathy for them after that.

Do you mean the one on Betnikh - the second starter island? (The one where something like 3 people get upset if you do the right thing? One of whom is a short-sighted idiot who wants the artifact to impress her king despite the fact that her entire race/culture has such a taboo around necromancy that they have a whole separate tribal culture devoted to combating those undead and the necromancers that raise them?)

If so, (not that ANY of your choices have any consequences) her king would have never accepted the gift, she was acting alone and without direction from any authority, similar as can be argued about many of the invasion parties you see throughout the factions.


If that's not the quest you're referring to, then it's been too long since I've played through the DC areas.

Artjuh90

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

eNumbra wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

DC has a very early quest in which you are presented with what I feel is the strongest moral dilemma in the game. They get upset if you do the right thing. I really fail to have any sympathy for them after that.

Do you mean the one on Betnikh - the second starter island? (The one where something like 3 people get upset if you do the right thing? One of whom is a short-sighted idiot who wants the artifact to impress her king despite the fact that her entire race/culture has such a taboo around necromancy that they have a whole separate tribal culture devoted to combating those undead and the necromancers that raise them?)

If so, (not that ANY of your choices have any consequences) her king would have never accepted the gift, she was acting alone and without direction from any authority, similar as can be argued about many of the invasion parties you see throughout the factions.


If that's not the quest you're referring to, then it's been too long since I've played through the DC areas.

^ this is so true xD

Helgi_Skotina

I wish i could kill members of all 3 alliances.

hamburgerler76

Ebonhart Pact - explain

I was mad I couldn't choose both AD and EP lol EP hate everyone who isn't one of them and even hate each other most the time, AD wants equality but only under elf rule and ways half there quest are about racism lol DC is only good I can see they are fighting to store trade and economy to the empire

Helgi_Skotina

hamburgerler76 wrote: »

I was mad I couldn't choose both AD and EP lol EP hate everyone who isn't one of them and even hate each other most the time, AD wants equality but only under elf rule and ways half there quest are about racism lol DC is only good I can see they are fighting to store trade and economy to the empire

I agree! Death to the elves, death to the yokudans, death to the elf-seem bretons, death to the animal-races! And when we killed all of them we will fight among each other till only one is left! We are the pure evil!

Enodoc

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Artheiron wrote: »

AD. Elves are snobs. Elves are racists. Lore-wise I never liked elves. Except dwemers but they have issues too like enslaving snow elves, drugging them turning them into monsters etc.

In eso? I don't like AD because

Your Queen Commands

I have no hatred for the races of Man, but they are young. Like all children, they are driven by emotion. They lack the wisdom that comes with age. I would sooner place an Altmer infant on the Ruby Throne than surrender Tamriel to their capricious whims.

She says she doesn't hate men but she doesn't want to see anyone other than an High Elf sitting on the ruby throne.
But thanks to ZOS' money making machine, any race-any alliance thingy, her faction lets any race to become emperor in the name of aldimeri dominion anyway. Hypocrites. Both ad and zos.

In pvp (pc/na) again I hate AD, because They don't attempt to change the map when they don't have numbers. And their weird ties with the EP... I think I should blame angryjoe here.

have to add the queen is 32 years old herself

I don't know why they changed that. In the original released info she was going to be 132.

HaldaAinur

AD by far, but only really due to the extremists. Also if you look at the USEP lore page on bosmer, many don't practice eating the dead anymore, and in DC there is a quest where you help a man mourning his bosmer wife who I thiiinnnkkk (correct me if I'm wrong) didn't agree with all of what her religion asked of her people either, despite otherwise staying true to her roots. Khajiits...not really evil, just easily tempted, and mischievous by nature. Now the altmer...they definitely show signs of being supremacists early on.

EP attempts to help the veiled heritance, although this was a mostly tactical move, it makes you wonder what they'd do to win the war. Also, two very radical religions. (haven't played through it entirely, but I got to shadowfen.)

DC and necromancy...again a matter of how far they'd go to win the war, and even in DC the orcs can be treated as if they're just mere 'brutes'.

Honestly, despite AD going truly evil in skyrim, in ESO, I'd say all three have serious issues as alliances.

KewaG

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

Enodoc wrote: »

KewaG wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

KewaG wrote: »

Dagger Fall has attempted to Raise the dead to create an army. Raising the dead sounds like a worm cult thing. Worm cult is responsible for the constructing the dark anchors. Dark anchors are used to summon daedra in an attempt to pull Tamriel into Cold Horbor. Conclusion, Dagger Fall Covenant is the most evil of all the factions.
Also, just to point this out, Thallik Wormfather is a Breton and Angof the Undying (or the Gravesinger as known in Tamriel) is Reachmen who are related to the Breton's. Breton's are members of the Daggerfall Covenant. AD and EP are morally ambiguous most of the time but to call them evil is too strong of a phrase to describe their actions. Most of the evil in this era, aside from Mannimarco of course, seems to be coming from the DC faction, namely the Breton's.

Not all Bretons are part of the Covenant, and the Reachmen have no affiliation with them. The Reachmen are affiliated with Molag Bal. I'm pretty sure Thallik Wormfather is a Nord. DC never attempted to raise the dead (we established above that rogue operatives do not count), but a renegade privateer may have convinced the DC leadership to gain control of some spirits that had already been awoken by the Bloodthorn Cult.

I've checked two different sources with two different conclusions. One source claims he is Breton while the other claims that he is Nord. My mistrust of the internet is coming back full force.

Heh, yeah. I just found the other one. Personally, I think he's Imperial

I could swear there was a quest were DC was attacking EP and trying to raise the dead to attack. I guess I'm wrong on all points. Now I'm just gonna say DC just because I hate them. I don't really, just sticking to my guns....

Not at all, you're technically correct, but we were commenting above how General Serien must be operating outside of standard Covenant procedures, and if the Covenant leadership found out then he'd probably be executed. you know from playing through the Covenant storyline how much they detest necromancy, so they would never sanction its use, even against the enemy.

I read through most of the first page and skimmed the rest, didn't read all of the previous comments due to being at work. Oddly enough, it's the only time I can post on the forums. I'm reading now though, if I can think of a better argument then I'll post it. If not then you won't hear from me again...lol :P

Zordrage

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

>:D

MLGProPlayer

Ebonhart Pact - explain

EP solely because of the dunmer. They're slavers and fanatical daedra/false god worshippers. Their caste/house system is also barbaric.

AD is the furthest thing from evil in ESO. Ayrenn is so nice she's literally a Disney queen.

The "nicest" faction is probably DC. Bretons are former slaves. Redguards are conquerers but they're honourable. The orcs are blood thirsty savages, but they're so primitive they don't pose a threat to anyone.

Enslaved

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Dominion. Their goal is destruction of Nirn. They worked and will work on this idea for eras. To be able to do this, they first have to erase the existence of men. They tried enslaving and even mixing with humans as way to erase the men form Auri El, Akatosh, God of Time. They want time to end, so Nirn will end.

CrisXD

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

AD = Thalmor

Runschei

Daggerfall Covenant - explain

Don't like em in pvp

GreyWolf_79

Aldmeri Dominion - explain

Why do people keep asking for necromancer class? Clearly it already exists in the forums

Olupajmibanan

Where Imperials do belong to? They are evil for trying to cut off my head with my pretty face every time I start a new character.