GRxKnight wrote: »

On topic to Sypher's post fixing the ap formula isn't going to do what you think it will do...large groups will still be running because of what you guys said in the podcast...AoE caps, and ultimate generation...those two should be looked at and discussed before talking about something so trivial as how much ap gains as they kill someone.

frozywozy wrote: »

the green alliance made the Roebeck <=> Nikel <=> Ash a desert and often we will see AD pushing all the way to Brk and in the meantime, birds sing lullaby songs at Nikel.

GRxKnight wrote: »

I honestly don't understand how you solo small group players can put up with the zerging and ball groups...every time i try and go out and solo or small group i get into a fight it instantly turns from a 1v1 to a 1v7 or more EVERY TIME...it gets frustrating enough that i leave cyrodil or flat out just log off...now I know I'm not a super godly solo player but I'd have to think that I'm somewhat capable of playing that kind of playstyle...to me getting constantly zerged down and unable to fight back is what deters me from that playstyle and why i play with groups

As stated in an earlier post and as well by crown i challenge those that want to bash the large group play style to run in these large groups (and a good one not a pug group) and see for yourselves it's not as brain-dead as you all think...

On topic to Sypher's post fixing the ap formula isn't going to do what you think it will do...large groups will still be running because of what you guys said in the podcast...AoE caps, and ultimate generation...those two should be looked at and discussed before talking about something so trivial as how much ap gains as they kill someone.

Xsorus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Bigger question is who cares about AP? These days most guilds I know play for fun fights and objective completions than AP. Even the farming groups are really just attempts to get high number of kills as opposed to high amounts of AP.

Everyone cares about AP. AP is for leaderboards and alliance war ranks and abilities.
I'm surprised a zer..I mean raid leader like yourself question the importance of AP and its demand.
tsk tsk... /disappointed.

Zheg wrote: »

Same reason why most games give bonuses of some kind to groups, whether it's exp or otherwise. It's an mmo. It's supposed to be social, group up.

AP is still fine if you can find good ganking while solo, but why should solo play be optimal when Cyrodiil is meant for mass pvp?

Also, and perhaps more importantly, it seems like you're trying to figure out why people in pvp groups gain more AP than you, and it's not because of the formula you posted. They simply kill more people over the same period of time than you could find solo running between objectives to gank in a field. You have to pick your fights while solo, you can't challenge another raid group. PVP groups have more options, as they should.

Spoken like a true zergling.

On a totally unrelated note... Zheg rhymes with Zerg. Fascinating !

#LetsSocialize
#24v1Style

jkjk

I mean, if you think Zheg rhymes with zerg, you either need speech therapy or are just not all that intelligent - at which point it would be cruel to argue with you. I'm currently leaning towards the latter given that you're calling someone who played solo or duo for 6+ months, and recently in groups <=24, a zergling.

And @Sypher , come now, you're honestly going to say you had no foresight that a thread like this would turn into yet another hysterics-focused rant about whatever arbitrary number someone picked to start saying zerg? I tend to give you a little more credit than that. While I see no problems with adopting an even distribution system for AP (and see little value to AP to even begin with...), AP distribution has been the same since launch; there have been no additions or changes made to that system to promote or discourage solo/small/large group play that should suddenly make this a pressing issue all of a sudden, so if I'm reading between the lines you can't blame me for suspecting this is just another attempt to stoke the flames against group play, for which you could have picked a better cause or contributed to any number of the other threads doing that. I mean, you frame the thread title as "why do zergs get this", and then your OP does math for 1 to 4 and then 24 people. How SHOULD something like that be interpreted? Most would interpret that as you saying 24 people is a zerg, or anything lower but still close to that. Given the things you say, one could even go so far as to assume something like 12 would be a zerg in your eyes considering the way you've framed this thread.

The way AP is awarded is probably on the same scale as ice trebs not being as good as fire trebs in terms of priorities for pvp right now. Healers tend to make more AP than every other role in pvp, is that even and balanced? No. Is that important right now? No. There are far bigger fish to fry, as you should well know.

As for the incentives for large group play, while you and others seem to obviously loathe it, you all tend to conveniently forget the promos for ESO and descriptions of cyrodiil being for large-scale pvp. Maybe the devs actually WANTED to encourage more than 8 people in a group for large scale pvp, and while still allowing it and keeping it perfectly viable, provide disincentives for everyone to run around solo or in a small group as that impedes the ability for alliances to focus on map objectives.

24 people is a zerg..this shouldn't be up for argument.

One group a Zerg, lawl.

I don´t get why people refer to 24 slots as grps. It´s a raid. Eso´s grpsize is 4 ppl (hint hint - the game even tells you when inviting the 5th person that you´re exceeding the standard grpsize). In my book you´re zerging when you´re running with more than 8 - that´s two standard grps for eso.
Running around with 24 people and claiming to not be zerging just bc it´s organised and everyone is on TS is hilarious. You´re not a grp you´re literally 6 grps running together.

Edit: Because i quoted wrong

And your basing your entire argument about what is and isn't a zerg on semantics, why?

The UI divisions of 'grp 1 - grp 6' in the raid frame is purely aesthetic, it plays no role in the functionally of grouping. Why is running more than 8 zergging? Does something magical happen at that number? Is it not more responsible to define zergging by the relative sizes of two opposing forces and the organization or lack there of on each side? That is to say, based on behavior, not arbitrary numbers.

To answer your question.. No.
You getting outzerged while zerging doesn't change the fact you were zerging.

That's the thing, two big groups go at it and a couple seconds later one is wipped and as you would put it, it's all just out zergging another zerg. That does not provide useful information about what happened.

It's nice and all calling it all zergging vs zergging, but it's not helpful to the guilds fighting for campaign objectives. "Our zerg got out zergged." What people need to know is organized group? Disorganized group? Tons of pugs?

What you stated has no point with the matter at hand; you asked when it's considered a Zerg.. I explained when it is. Going into how you would describe the Zerg to other people doesn't matter.

Uh what?

Things I asked:

Why is running more than 8 zergging?

Does something magical happen at that number?

Is it not more responsible to define zergging by the relative sizes of two opposing forces and the organization or lack there of on each side?

You answered:

Xsorus wrote: »

No. You getting outzerged while zerging doesn't change the fact you were zerging.

I can only take it you're addressing that last question, in other words, that you define "zergging" based on numbers alone, not relative size or organization. Is you answer addressed at something else? Would be nice if you'd make it clearer.

So, do you just see fights between 24 man grps as just one side "getting outzerged while zerging" when they end?

I feel like I'm going in circles here, because people in this thread seem to just want to define any sort of 'large' group as a 'zerg', and anything it does as 'zergging'. That leaves the impression to me that people don't acknowledge what kind of organization, movement, positioning, ect that goes into large group play.

Fights between two 24 mans is simply two zergs fighting. It's generous to say you aren't zerging with a trial group (12 people) but I'll let it slide in this game; however if you look at 24 people and say "nah no one will think running two ESO raids is zerging" I can help but laugh.

I mean Christ, I'm almost certain 24 is more then actual wow raid groups? Isn't it like 20 mans in wow now?

Ok, clarification is good. Could you clarify what exactly you define as "outzerging" in a fight between one 24 man raid and another?

It means when someone is whining they can't be a Zerg cause another group had more people then their Zerg. Like for example 24 vs 36; both are zergs... But one does have more people.. 24vs24 is Zerg vs Zerg... It just happens to be even number zergs.

Teargrants wrote: »

I'm just gona say, whether I'm solo, duo, smallman or in a raid grp, I don't give a rat's ass about how much AP I get killing someone. I just care about getting good fights, AP is just a byproduct of pvping.

You can go ahead and change the AP to anything you want it's not gona change anyone's playstyle except someone farming for emp.

MountainHound wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

If you want my honest opinion regarding what constitutes a zerg. Any group large enough to CONSISTENTLY cause the server performance to plummet is regarded as a Zerg to me. (emphasis on the word CONSISTENTLY) The blame mainly falls on the servers so I'm not mad at people for running these groups, but these groups that cause a negative effect on performance shouldn't be encouraged/rewarded as much as they do over smaller groups. This is a step to prevent further server issues.

So then if the pendulum swings the other way and AP distribution, and all of the other things you harp on are patched and it's far more favorable to run solo or small groups, and now you just have a gigantic mass of multiple 1-5 man groups at keeps and the performance STILL drops, are each of these 1-5 man groups a zerg? Who becomes the scapegoat then?

We did a long, painful siege against a well-defend chalman last night, and after getting the inner down, left the keep because another blue raid showed up (at least) and performance plummeted before we were about to engage the reds inside. And yet we are the boogeyman that zergs and is to blame for all of the performance issues according to the posts that your thread promotes. While you may diplomatically choose your words, you share guilt in having fostered the anti-group atmosphere that's currently present.

Are you serious? Sypher never said that the ONLY problem causing latency issues in Cyrodiil were large groups. He said it was part of the problem. You keep argueing for the sake of argueing even after Sypher publicly apologized for using the term zerg.

You stated plenty of valid points in your argumentation but you also went pretty far with your assumptions of what Sypher mind thinks. You're not in his head, are you? Maybe you should watch his stream a little bit and you would see what kind of person he is. He doesn't have any deep hatred for large groups as you pretend. He respect the playstyle. He just doesn't like the fact that they get more benefits than small groups on top of the fact that they are a part of the problem regarding server performances.

Like we discussed the other day, it's not only about the fact that some people run more than one full raid in the same guild / teamspeak but the fact that some group leader doesn't have the maturity to move their group out of the area if another raid of their own faction is already engaging. This is a problem involving all 3 factions. Everybody should be aware about it. I personally call often in my zone chat when I see a massive swarm of EP pushing only one side of the map to split forces on the other front to help the server.

Another problem on Azura Star this campaign is when there is a massive fight happening between DC and EP at Chalman or Aleswell and AD comes to participate in a 3ways fight. This DOES NOT work. 3ways fights are a thing of the past and nobody should even come close to consider that option. The server cannot handle it. Not with the actual population cap. Please stop trying to back cap keeps when there is already 100 players in the area. It is not fun for anybody but your blind and selfish person.

Its pretty clear the guy was offended by Sypher and takes offense to anyone attempting to speak ill of large group play - he doesnt care about the post at all. Report his post as off topic and move on. Hes seeking that glory. Unfortunately he has 4 V16 chars in his sig, talks about being great, and Ive never heard of any of them. Must be making a living inside big groups where its hard to see names.

Or, I dont feel the need to constantly call out my name or insist people call me lord.

Or, I don't feel the need to self aggrandize myself and stream pvp kills.

Or, you just have me on ignore at this point.

See? I can make veiled insults too.

Wasnt really insulting - no worries.

Zheg wrote: »

Phone isnt letting me edit my post above so I'll add here. The reason I've gone off on sypher (and fengrush in the past) is because I hold them to a higher standard than random Joe calling people zerglings in a thread. They're excellent pvpers, have been around for a while and know many of the issues well, and I expect them to bear more responsibility than may be fair given how publicized they are. Theyre part of a group of players that helped to create the vitriol against groups, even if they themselves were mostly diplomatic while doing so. I'm not really expecting a pod cast covering the awful atmosphere they (and many others to be fair) played a hand in creating and what a problem it's become, but at least some attention, responsibility, and acknowledgement of the problem is warranted at this point. Even with perfect performance, if the playerbase despises each other how is that a good situation?

People feel a vitriol (VE especially, must be a hot topic in your guys teamspeak) - but its brought on by your own imagination really. The gameplay is simple compared to what group play could be and has been. Thats all there really is to it. Some people are willing to acknowledge it, some others feel they are the best in todays current 24 man ball group gameplay and want to insist to others that there is a lot of skill behind what theyre doing.

Its just a matter of opinion really, you dont disagree with mine. Youre not alone - but I dont think youre in the majority. I want a group chemistry that is more interesting, and environment thats more interesting. Instead were rebalancing siege every 2 months, tripping over the same issues, and going backwards in terms of making the game more interesting as far as mass PvP goes.

All of the talk of zergs is moot really, the discussion has been had what it is and isnt in 100s of threads on this forum - literally hundreds. I dont really care about the exact number, but once its a raid hovering everywhere as a ball - its a ball group. Ball groups and the current game design is not balanced, and nobody at @ZOS is willing to acknowledge or address it.

I dont care how good your ball group is or how good you think it is. The meta is stupid and has clear problems. Youre either on board with that or youre wrong as far as Im concerned.

@FENGRUSH ....actually in TS we are just joking around and talking about the stuff happening on the map and rarely if ever discuss anything that's on these trashcan forums. I'm also fairly certain that I've told you in another thread or two that people in VE have their own thoughts on issues and can speak to them as they please and that those thoughts are not a reflection upon VE rather the individual presenting them. Do you understand what I'm saying or am I going to have to put that in another thread somewhere else down the line?

Ya but I dont know everyone by name and I feel like theres new people every time. Its really confusing knowing whos who and what guild theyre in sometimes.

You probably do not know VE as they play on their EP toons most nights and when they do log cyrodiil, it is to block our pop space for their EP buddies.

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

A 24 man group can successfully fight another 24 man group or more on trueflame with zero lag - zero, with random pugs on both sides. The performance slop comes in when you have multiple groups stacked in the same spot and worsens when they engage in combat. You want performance increase? Focus on people stacking multiple raids in a keep, when it's a single force or just a high density of randoms. When people run 3 raids, you think AP distribution means anythin to them at that point? It's not like you're getting AP from raid 3's kills. The solo and small groups that stack on top of someone running 2+ raids are equally guilty.

I find it interesting that the experts saying it's 'no skill ball groups' behind all the lag have no explanations why multiple 'no skill ball groups' can fight eachother with hardly any lag at all outside of azuras where each alliance has a guild that stacks multiple raids plus all the pugs. But go on, continue bashing the rest because it makes your egos feel bigger. I'm sure we and other guilds have plenty of footage somewhere showing no lag fights between the very groups people on here feel obligated to castigate. Would that even be sufficient evidence for people? Or would the 'no skill ball groups' then be accused of holding back their brainless aoe spam for the fight? As someone who actually plays in those groups daily and has actual experience rather than armchairing it as a solo player and making assumptions, the only time our lag is bad during fights is when the multiple raid stackers are fighting elsewhere on the map, or other raids came to the party afterwards, at which point we usually peace out if the ping is ridiculous.

In my experience total volume usually weighs far more heavily on my ping than density. Shortly after IC dropped, we thought the lag had legit been completely fixed because we could fight gos and swp at once and not lag. There was jubilitation in our ts that the 30 banners and meteor artillary spam had been stopped and fights were smooth against 50ish people. But as people starting leaving IC and populating the campaigns again the ping went up, and was exacerbated on azuras for the reasons I've already said. I legitimately think the increased pop caps that came with IC need to be rolled back, and people need to focus on breaking up the crews with multiple raids; if you're a pug or small man, you're also partially guilty if you stack on top of those crews.

Anyway, some folks just refuse to listen and would rather cast blame because it makes their argument easier, but changing AP will do nothing to the groups with 3 raids since they already spread the AP thin. I care not what you do to AP, just ask that you have realistic expections for what it will and won't do, and that the constant group play bashing has been done to death already, enough.

Short and sweet answer : Lower population cap.

Teargrants wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

A 24 man group can successfully fight another 24 man group or more on trueflame with zero lag - zero, with random pugs on both sides. The performance slop comes in when you have multiple groups stacked in the same spot and worsens when they engage in combat. You want performance increase? Focus on people stacking multiple raids in a keep, when it's a single force or just a high density of randoms. When people run 3 raids, you think AP distribution means anythin to them at that point? It's not like you're getting AP from raid 3's kills. The solo and small groups that stack on top of someone running 2+ raids are equally guilty.

I find it interesting that the experts saying it's 'no skill ball groups' behind all the lag have no explanations why multiple 'no skill ball groups' can fight eachother with hardly any lag at all outside of azuras where each alliance has a guild that stacks multiple raids plus all the pugs. But go on, continue bashing the rest because it makes your egos feel bigger. I'm sure we and other guilds have plenty of footage somewhere showing no lag fights between the very groups people on here feel obligated to castigate. Would that even be sufficient evidence for people? Or would the 'no skill ball groups' then be accused of holding back their brainless aoe spam for the fight? As someone who actually plays in those groups daily and has actual experience rather than armchairing it as a solo player and making assumptions, the only time our lag is bad during fights is when the multiple raid stackers are fighting elsewhere on the map, or other raids came to the party afterwards, at which point we usually peace out if the ping is ridiculous.

In my experience total volume usually weighs far more heavily on my ping than density. Shortly after IC dropped, we thought the lag had legit been completely fixed because we could fight gos and swp at once and not lag. There was jubilitation in our ts that the 30 banners and meteor artillary spam had been stopped and fights were smooth against 50ish people. But as people starting leaving IC and populating the campaigns again the ping went up, and was exacerbated on azuras for the reasons I've already said. I legitimately think the increased pop caps that came with IC need to be rolled back, and people need to focus on breaking up the crews with multiple raids; if you're a pug or small man, you're also partially guilty if you stack on top of those crews.

Anyway, some folks just refuse to listen and would rather cast blame because it makes their argument easier, but changing AP will do nothing to the groups with 3 raids since they already spread the AP thin. I care not what you do to AP, just ask that you have realistic expections for what it will and won't do, and that the constant group play bashing has been done to death already, enough.

Short and sweet answer : Lower population cap.

It's like limbo at this point, how low can we go?

Ezareth wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

I honestly don't understand how you solo small group players can put up with the zerging and ball groups...every time i try and go out and solo or small group i get into a fight it instantly turns from a 1v1 to a 1v7 or more EVERY TIME...it gets frustrating enough that i leave cyrodil or flat out just log off...now I know I'm not a super godly solo player but I'd have to think that I'm somewhat capable of playing that kind of playstyle...to me getting constantly zerged down and unable to fight back is what deters me from that playstyle and why i play with groups

As stated in an earlier post and as well by crown i challenge those that want to bash the large group play style to run in these large groups (and a good one not a pug group) and see for yourselves it's not as brain-dead as you all think...

On topic to Sypher's post fixing the ap formula isn't going to do what you think it will do...large groups will still be running because of what you guys said in the podcast...AoE caps, and ultimate generation...those two should be looked at and discussed before talking about something so trivial as how much ap gains as they kill someone.

The answer is simple. We don't. We used to survive in the sewers for awhile but that *** dried up too. Now it is zerg or die, or become a VMSA carebear.

I'm giving up on ESO more and more every day. PvP is the only thing that has kept me around and it dies more and more for me every day.

Ezareth wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

I honestly don't understand how you solo small group players can put up with the zerging and ball groups...every time i try and go out and solo or small group i get into a fight it instantly turns from a 1v1 to a 1v7 or more EVERY TIME...it gets frustrating enough that i leave cyrodil or flat out just log off...now I know I'm not a super godly solo player but I'd have to think that I'm somewhat capable of playing that kind of playstyle...to me getting constantly zerged down and unable to fight back is what deters me from that playstyle and why i play with groups

As stated in an earlier post and as well by crown i challenge those that want to bash the large group play style to run in these large groups (and a good one not a pug group) and see for yourselves it's not as brain-dead as you all think...

On topic to Sypher's post fixing the ap formula isn't going to do what you think it will do...large groups will still be running because of what you guys said in the podcast...AoE caps, and ultimate generation...those two should be looked at and discussed before talking about something so trivial as how much ap gains as they kill someone.

The answer is simple. We don't. We used to survive in the sewers for awhile but that *** dried up too. Now it is zerg or die, or become a VMSA carebear.

I'm giving up on ESO more and more every day. PvP is the only thing that has kept me around and it dies more and more for me every day. Every time I see a group of 6+ people all tackle a solo player at once my enjoyment of this game dies even more. Less PvPers just compounds the problem. As all the solo players die out the zergs die out and PvP dies.

Most of the time I see a zerg these days they're engaging in some form of PvDoor or another. Sound exciting.

Less PvPers just compounds the problem. As all the solo players die out the zergs die out and PvP dies.

Most of the time I see a zerg these days they're engaging in some form of PvDoor or another. Sound exciting.

frozywozy wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

A 24 man group can successfully fight another 24 man group or more on trueflame with zero lag - zero, with random pugs on both sides. The performance slop comes in when you have multiple groups stacked in the same spot and worsens when they engage in combat. You want performance increase? Focus on people stacking multiple raids in a keep, when it's a single force or just a high density of randoms. When people run 3 raids, you think AP distribution means anythin to them at that point? It's not like you're getting AP from raid 3's kills. The solo and small groups that stack on top of someone running 2+ raids are equally guilty.

I find it interesting that the experts saying it's 'no skill ball groups' behind all the lag have no explanations why multiple 'no skill ball groups' can fight eachother with hardly any lag at all outside of azuras where each alliance has a guild that stacks multiple raids plus all the pugs. But go on, continue bashing the rest because it makes your egos feel bigger. I'm sure we and other guilds have plenty of footage somewhere showing no lag fights between the very groups people on here feel obligated to castigate. Would that even be sufficient evidence for people? Or would the 'no skill ball groups' then be accused of holding back their brainless aoe spam for the fight? As someone who actually plays in those groups daily and has actual experience rather than armchairing it as a solo player and making assumptions, the only time our lag is bad during fights is when the multiple raid stackers are fighting elsewhere on the map, or other raids came to the party afterwards, at which point we usually peace out if the ping is ridiculous.

In my experience total volume usually weighs far more heavily on my ping than density. Shortly after IC dropped, we thought the lag had legit been completely fixed because we could fight gos and swp at once and not lag. There was jubilitation in our ts that the 30 banners and meteor artillary spam had been stopped and fights were smooth against 50ish people. But as people starting leaving IC and populating the campaigns again the ping went up, and was exacerbated on azuras for the reasons I've already said. I legitimately think the increased pop caps that came with IC need to be rolled back, and people need to focus on breaking up the crews with multiple raids; if you're a pug or small man, you're also partially guilty if you stack on top of those crews.

Anyway, some folks just refuse to listen and would rather cast blame because it makes their argument easier, but changing AP will do nothing to the groups with 3 raids since they already spread the AP thin. I care not what you do to AP, just ask that you have realistic expections for what it will and won't do, and that the constant group play bashing has been done to death already, enough.

Short and sweet answer : Lower population cap.

It's like limbo at this point, how low can we go?

As long as it will take to convince them to apply more drastic changes such as the ones I've been mentioning enough times in this thread.

Satiar wrote: »

TEARGRANTS I told you THEY MUST NEVER KNOW

MountainHound wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

If you want my honest opinion regarding what constitutes a zerg. Any group large enough to CONSISTENTLY cause the server performance to plummet is regarded as a Zerg to me. (emphasis on the word CONSISTENTLY) The blame mainly falls on the servers so I'm not mad at people for running these groups, but these groups that cause a negative effect on performance shouldn't be encouraged/rewarded as much as they do over smaller groups. This is a step to prevent further server issues.

So then if the pendulum swings the other way and AP distribution, and all of the other things you harp on are patched and it's far more favorable to run solo or small groups, and now you just have a gigantic mass of multiple 1-5 man groups at keeps and the performance STILL drops, are each of these 1-5 man groups a zerg? Who becomes the scapegoat then?

We did a long, painful siege against a well-defend chalman last night, and after getting the inner down, left the keep because another blue raid showed up (at least) and performance plummeted before we were about to engage the reds inside. And yet we are the boogeyman that zergs and is to blame for all of the performance issues according to the posts that your thread promotes. While you may diplomatically choose your words, you share guilt in having fostered the anti-group atmosphere that's currently present.

Are you serious? Sypher never said that the ONLY problem causing latency issues in Cyrodiil were large groups. He said it was part of the problem. You keep argueing for the sake of argueing even after Sypher publicly apologized for using the term zerg.

You stated plenty of valid points in your argumentation but you also went pretty far with your assumptions of what Sypher mind thinks. You're not in his head, are you? Maybe you should watch his stream a little bit and you would see what kind of person he is. He doesn't have any deep hatred for large groups as you pretend. He respect the playstyle. He just doesn't like the fact that they get more benefits than small groups on top of the fact that they are a part of the problem regarding server performances.

Like we discussed the other day, it's not only about the fact that some people run more than one full raid in the same guild / teamspeak but the fact that some group leader doesn't have the maturity to move their group out of the area if another raid of their own faction is already engaging. This is a problem involving all 3 factions. Everybody should be aware about it. I personally call often in my zone chat when I see a massive swarm of EP pushing only one side of the map to split forces on the other front to help the server.

Another problem on Azura Star this campaign is when there is a massive fight happening between DC and EP at Chalman or Aleswell and AD comes to participate in a 3ways fight. This DOES NOT work. 3ways fights are a thing of the past and nobody should even come close to consider that option. The server cannot handle it. Not with the actual population cap. Please stop trying to back cap keeps when there is already 100 players in the area. It is not fun for anybody but your blind and selfish person.

Its pretty clear the guy was offended by Sypher and takes offense to anyone attempting to speak ill of large group play - he doesnt care about the post at all. Report his post as off topic and move on. Hes seeking that glory. Unfortunately he has 4 V16 chars in his sig, talks about being great, and Ive never heard of any of them. Must be making a living inside big groups where its hard to see names.

Or, I dont feel the need to constantly call out my name or insist people call me lord.

Or, I don't feel the need to self aggrandize myself and stream pvp kills.

Or, you just have me on ignore at this point.

See? I can make veiled insults too.

Wasnt really insulting - no worries.

Zheg wrote: »

Phone isnt letting me edit my post above so I'll add here. The reason I've gone off on sypher (and fengrush in the past) is because I hold them to a higher standard than random Joe calling people zerglings in a thread. They're excellent pvpers, have been around for a while and know many of the issues well, and I expect them to bear more responsibility than may be fair given how publicized they are. Theyre part of a group of players that helped to create the vitriol against groups, even if they themselves were mostly diplomatic while doing so. I'm not really expecting a pod cast covering the awful atmosphere they (and many others to be fair) played a hand in creating and what a problem it's become, but at least some attention, responsibility, and acknowledgement of the problem is warranted at this point. Even with perfect performance, if the playerbase despises each other how is that a good situation?

People feel a vitriol (VE especially, must be a hot topic in your guys teamspeak) - but its brought on by your own imagination really. The gameplay is simple compared to what group play could be and has been. Thats all there really is to it. Some people are willing to acknowledge it, some others feel they are the best in todays current 24 man ball group gameplay and want to insist to others that there is a lot of skill behind what theyre doing.

Its just a matter of opinion really, you dont disagree with mine. Youre not alone - but I dont think youre in the majority. I want a group chemistry that is more interesting, and environment thats more interesting. Instead were rebalancing siege every 2 months, tripping over the same issues, and going backwards in terms of making the game more interesting as far as mass PvP goes.

All of the talk of zergs is moot really, the discussion has been had what it is and isnt in 100s of threads on this forum - literally hundreds. I dont really care about the exact number, but once its a raid hovering everywhere as a ball - its a ball group. Ball groups and the current game design is not balanced, and nobody at @ZOS is willing to acknowledge or address it.

I dont care how good your ball group is or how good you think it is. The meta is stupid and has clear problems. Youre either on board with that or youre wrong as far as Im concerned.

@FENGRUSH ....actually in TS we are just joking around and talking about the stuff happening on the map and rarely if ever discuss anything that's on these trashcan forums. I'm also fairly certain that I've told you in another thread or two that people in VE have their own thoughts on issues and can speak to them as they please and that those thoughts are not a reflection upon VE rather the individual presenting them. Do you understand what I'm saying or am I going to have to put that in another thread somewhere else down the line?

Ya but I dont know everyone by name and I feel like theres new people every time. Its really confusing knowing whos who and what guild theyre in sometimes.

You probably do not know VE as they play on their EP toons most nights and when they do log cyrodiil, it is to block our pop space for their EP buddies.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Buy a game for AvAvA warfare.

Complain about groups actually partaking in AvAvA warfare.

Pretend you are ESO.

Fly off on your unicorn.