Why are Zergs rewarded more AP?

Jura23

Manoekin wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

I think Sypher isn't going to be happy until no one groups up in cyrodiil ever again, and we're all running around solo not grouped up so it's just mass chaos at any Keep siege and he can pick off all kinds of noobs like myself with lesser skill, CP's ,gear and inferior unbalanced builds. Am I getting this right Sypher?

Your a great player and like to inform the masses on many subjects. I think this isn't a battle your going to win. Cyrodiil will be totally empty if you continue to push ZoS about this grouping subject. People will find less interest in grouping if there is no benefit. Then they'll stop playing in Cyrodiil altogther. Then you won't have anyone to kill. It's just human nature bro.

https://youtu.be/L0MK7qz13bU

I don't think that's what he's trying to do at all.

Lets create no groups campaign though and see what happens.

I'm not sure if they can disable part of the game for a campaign.

Probably can't. But I think they can change the maximum number of players in a group.

Teargrants

Manoekin wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

I think Sypher isn't going to be happy until no one groups up in cyrodiil ever again, and we're all running around solo not grouped up so it's just mass chaos at any Keep siege and he can pick off all kinds of noobs like myself with lesser skill, CP's ,gear and inferior unbalanced builds. Am I getting this right Sypher?

Your a great player and like to inform the masses on many subjects. I think this isn't a battle your going to win. Cyrodiil will be totally empty if you continue to push ZoS about this grouping subject. People will find less interest in grouping if there is no benefit. Then they'll stop playing in Cyrodiil altogther. Then you won't have anyone to kill. It's just human nature bro.

https://youtu.be/L0MK7qz13bU

I don't think that's what he's trying to do at all.

Lets create no groups campaign though and see what happens.

I'm not sure if they can disable part of the game for a campaign.

Just reduce the pop cap to 1.

Derra

Manoekin wrote: »

Also,

Derra wrote: »

ZOS needs to adress stealth gameplay. It comes with not enough drawbacks. There is literally no reason to be visible in cyrodiil unless you´re actively engaged in combat.

What´s the point of open pvp if nobody is visible...

Everyone utilizes stealth as you say, to get the element of surprise. Maybe aside from those that spend all of their time on the keep walls.

Almost everyone does yeah - it´s equally bad for the general state of pvp as large grps overperforming in objective pvp are. I dislike both as i feel it does not contribute to a "healthy" pvp environment where everyone can have fun.

I don´t like it at all as it basically leaves only gank playstyles. I don´t utilize crouch on my chars at all unless i go afk or try to hide from the hordes riding from one keep to another.
I never use stealth to initiate a fight (which i consider ganking).

But that´s just my personal approach.


As on zerg: For me it´s associated with hive mentality or behavior. I find an organized grp even more fitting for that term than headless randoms swarming in on someone. In general it´s just a term for a large force in my vocabulary.

Manoekin

Derra wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Also,

Derra wrote: »

ZOS needs to adress stealth gameplay. It comes with not enough drawbacks. There is literally no reason to be visible in cyrodiil unless you´re actively engaged in combat.

What´s the point of open pvp if nobody is visible...

Everyone utilizes stealth as you say, to get the element of surprise. Maybe aside from those that spend all of their time on the keep walls.

Almost everyone does yeah - it´s equally bad for the general state of pvp as large grps overperforming in objective pvp are. I dislike both as i feel it does not contribute to a "healthy" pvp environment where everyone can have fun.

I don´t like it at all as it basically leaves only gank playstyles. I don´t utilize crouch on my chars at all unless i go afk or try to hide from the hordes riding from one keep to another.
I never use stealth to initiate a fight (which i consider ganking).

But that´s just my personal approach.


As on zerg: For me it´s associated with hive mentality or behavior. I find an organized grp even more fitting for that term than headless randoms swarming in on someone. In general it´s just a term for a large force in my vocabulary.

I can understand that, and I agree about stealth as mentioned in the other thread.

Jules

Derra wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

So much wasted discussion time on literally a moot point on how to define a zerg (6 groups? 2 raids? 7 bushels?). It is ignorant to define every 24 man raid a zerg. It's easy to tell a coordinated 24 man raid by movement, heals and AoE DPS apart from a 24 man zerg of VR4 wildlings wielding two handers and Inner Fire spam. Come play some SC2 and I'll show you some OG zerging.

As far as AP gains go it would be almost impossible to test in a controlled environment. Those fabled players worth 2,888 AP might be running in a solid group that's accumulated a high net worth of AP to which only that 24 man raid could best.

Yep it´s easy to tell a coordinated guildzerg from a random pugzerg. Coordination does not change that people in the full raidgrp are considered a zerg for many players.
What about that is ignorant?
These people don´t like to get called zerg because of the negative connotation the word zerg has for many of them.

<insert racist analogy here>

I don't go around calling everyone not in my group a filthy ganker who can't kill anyone without the help of his two buddies or abusing camo hunter.

Well for me zerg is not negative per se. So idk.

Lies