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Perma CC is out of control!

LegacyDM
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With the latest update, damage has been reduced to extend pvp fights and mitigate the burst that was becoming a problem. Now that CC has become more mainstream, due to reduced burst damage, people are figuring out ways to perma lock people. Due to a combination of poor game mechanics as demonstrated by WB knockdowns and out of sync immunity timers, Cyrodil lag, and break-free bugs cropping up, CCs are out of control. Quite frankly, pvp is not fun. To make matters worse, as a Magicka light armor (LA) NB, I do not get any usable anti-CC skills. Medium armor gets shuffle and can effectively use rapid maneuvers. Heavy Armor gets immovable brute. In both cases, stamina cost reduction is reduced significantly allowing them the flexibility to use a skill or break free and stay in the fight.

As a magicka LA I do not have the stamina to combat the horrible CC locks. The advantage of medium builds is they can spec into stamina reduction, recovery, and get the benefits of stamina reduction from armor. In addition, they get the benefit of weapon/crit damages and anti-detection radius bonuses for sneaking. Basically, they can min-max and get all benefits of both anti-cc, physical damage, reductions, and mobility. Heavy armor gets the reduced morph, extra armor bonuses, and health recovery. They get tank and anti cc skills. I am not seeing any advantage to going LA since damage has been reduced and CP and shields heavily mitigate damage and crits. When magicka LA min-max they get damage and magicka recovery, but no mobility and no anti-cc. With the reduction to magicka damage and so many CP counters to magicka damage this is lackluster. Ok, so I have high Magicka recovery but can't use it with a CC counter like medium and heavy armors. Now before you all go L2P and tell me to spam cloak, cloak is useless 96% of the time when 96% of the community is spamming AOEs, Velocious curse, or perma locking in place. Mist form is useless because it is still effected by snares and CCs. With all the animation canceling and macro spamming, Double take is also useless. Shield breaker set is medium armor so not much utility for a magicka based character.

Now I could go invest attribute points into stamina and or armor enchants but then I sacrifice magicka and hit like a wet noodle. I could invest CP points in break free reduction but then I sacrifice magicka recovery and magicka reduction and can't sustain a fight. I could hybrid my armor sets but then lose magicka sustain and hit like a wet noodle.

As CCs are the new meta and damage has been reduced, ZOS really needs to re-evaluate CCs or give magicka LA a damage boost, or an anti-cc skill on par with other armor skills. There really is no advantage to going LA in the new meta which is frustrating.



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  • Johngo0036
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    and on top of it all CC immunity is BROKEN!!!!!

    You can get hit by Wrecking Blow stand and get hit flying immediately after.....

    Then you have those Fears, Reverberating Bashes and tallons(maybe others) that seem to be unbreakable yet they apparently are not except when they are cast on me, for some obscure reason, and they always seem to be by the same casters, other casters i can break...............

    I dunno how, Just saying....
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  • olsborg
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    build for more stamina sustain.

    but yes...cc immunity is buggy

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  • DeanTheCat
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    Give this a try

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    It gives a nice boost to Health giving you a bit more leeway to recover from attacks, and it grants Stamina Regeneration which helps against CC-es. I know you are a Magicka build, but going into Cyrodiil without decent stamina regeneration and trying to fight on the front lines is honestly rather... suicidal?

    If you lack Magicka Sustain due to consuming this, you can make it up with Elemental Drain, Harness Magicka or Siphon Spirit (Though this is a gamble, as you can be interrupted while casting). It's easier to regain Magicka then it is to regain Stamina. A few champion points in Tumbling or the Way of the Arena item set would help too. Ideally, you want at least 1.4k Stamina Regeneration without any reduction to break free costs.
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  • hrothbern
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    as NB you have SA, Siphoning Attacks to get back not only the needed Stamina, but also Magicka.

    For burst CC situations, an Unstoppable potion will do as well:

    see post below:
    but if you really are getting fed up of fear all the time id try leveling alchemy. Get some nice stamina/health/unstoppable potions with columbine/wormwood/mountain flower. And popping one of those after CC immunity wears off is beautiful. Or even better wormwood/columbine/corn flower detection and unstoppable from one pot is like they anti nightblade potion of choice.
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  • willymchilybily
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    hrothbern wrote: »
    as NB you have SA, Siphoning Attacks to get back not only the needed Stamina, but also Magicka.

    For burst CC situations, an Unstoppable potion will do as well:

    see post below:
    but if you really are getting fed up of fear all the time id try leveling alchemy. Get some nice stamina/health/unstoppable potions with columbine/wormwood/mountain flower. And popping one of those after CC immunity wears off is beautiful. Or even better wormwood/columbine/corn flower detection and unstoppable from one pot is like they anti nightblade potion of choice.
    unsurprisingly i find myself agreeing with with myself. :smiley:
    give magicka LA a damage boost, or an anti-cc skill on par with other armor skills. There really is no advantage to going LA in the new meta which is frustrating.
    i think this is the wrong approach, how does more damage prevent CC or make it easier to escape?

    magicka users can use purge to remove snare and immobilizing effects, this is all shuffle does (in-fact shuffle doesnt remove immobilizing effect just the snare iirc?).

    i think any changes to CC breaking and CC immunity that enable magicka classes to do it frequently is going to be detrimental because that is for some classes their ONLY weakness.
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  • Waffennacht
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    Mur, Shuffle and purge... I really wish they would work while under the effect of fear, knock down etc...

    Shuffle is good for roots.

    I really want a move that I can press while feared, there isn't such a thing right? It's all pre emptive?

    As a sorc, streak still functions while rooted etc fyi. Can be weird seeing roots teleport lol
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  • duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO
    trust this one, it's not getting any better when you are a pure stamina fighter with stamina and regen up to whatever

    You are still getting rooted, immobilized and stunned to kingdom come.

    You might have the stamina to break free in theory, but the break free animation, which can't be cancelled, takes too long for that to matter in most cases, even if you do.

    What's worse even if you do, you are a free for all target during that time, with little to no self heal, no shields (so pretty much everything crits). You might get one or two break frees out, but in the end you are just as fast dead (if not faster, remember hardly any self-heals, hardly any shields)

    And if you spec for full mitigation, there is simply neither time, nor stamina, nor skill lots left for actually dealing damage.

    If ZOS really believes all these CCs are such a good idea, let's remove the CC immunity of all the bosses, mini bosses and hey even some mobs. Let's see what a laugh that sort of trial / dungeon run will become

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  • Levo18
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  • LegacyDM
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    There definitely is a problem with cc. Yesterday, I had full stamina and got jumped by 2 or 3 people. My skill bar went grey and I started button mashing my break free and nothing would happen. I tried flipping to bar 2 to cast healing ward and couldn't flip. I wasn't lagged but perma stuck in cc with no way to dodge or break free.
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  • Jura23
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    There definitely is a problem with cc. Yesterday, I had full stamina and got jumped by 2 or 3 people. My skill bar went grey and I started button mashing my break free and nothing would happen. I tried flipping to bar 2 to cast healing ward and couldn't flip. I wasn't lagged but perma stuck in cc with no way to dodge or break free.

    They were discussing this on the latest Sypher's podcast. Some NB rotations stack CC so you can't break free from it.
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  • LegacyDM
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    Jura23 wrote: »
    There definitely is a problem with cc. Yesterday, I had full stamina and got jumped by 2 or 3 people. My skill bar went grey and I started button mashing my break free and nothing would happen. I tried flipping to bar 2 to cast healing ward and couldn't flip. I wasn't lagged but perma stuck in cc with no way to dodge or break free.

    They were discussing this on the latest Sypher's podcast. Some NB rotations stack CC so you can't break free from it.

    I think your right. I know I was at least feared. Not sure what other ccs were stacked.
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  • WillhelmBlack
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    Besides the CC problem we have. I'm sure you can sacrifice some of that 42,000 Magicka for stamina. I'm a Magicka Templar but I wouldn't last 1 minute without at least 14k stamina. That's PvP, change your build accordingly.
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  • duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO
    The problem is not the amount of stamina you have or not have, it's a broken mechanic, a too short duration and an immunity that only tackles some effects, but not others.

    The system can't get a hold which one is on and bugs out. Want to break free, do a bash instead.
    Want to roll dodge out of the red, dodge (auto path) right in, remove a snare, no just give speed boost (rooted) etc.

    And don't get me started on these potions.Running through a stack each session and still get rooted (yeah it's only a snare) but also stunned right after drinking one (they last only 15+ seconds and you can drink one only every 45- seconds). *Timing might vary with enchantments etc. you got


    It's that with all the different CCs (stuns, immobilize, snares, roots, ...) and each and all having their different break free (some work with others, some not, but would get you out of something else etc.) and you getting a whole set in PvP anytime you are into a fight x versus Y.

    PvP without constantly being stunned, rooted, snared ... is fun.

    What's going on right now, it's not funny, it's not even pathetic, it's unplayable.
    Edited by duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO on November 14, 2015 11:07PM
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