The ESO Great Depression

MrBeatDown · November 2015

Its real folks, ESO is in a full scale Economic depression and commerce with guild stores are suffering from the economic downfall because of BOP and BOE. Everything you do in ESO has a gold cost associated with it. They have successfully bleed the gold out of everyone that was already dependent on sales of items to continue to progress their characters. There is way to many gold sinks in this game. We need more gold to play the game. When i spend real money to purchase the game/DLC , i expect to be able to play it with my gear/skills points/etc. Currently I cannot play the PVE V M A because i cannot afford to pay the repair cost associated with it, im also unable to afford to pay the gold fees associated with changing skills, CP's, Crafting mats, ETC, to optimize my character in order to play the content that i payed my Real Money for. Im also unable to play the Daily's because i cannot afford to pay the repair cost associated with those. Im also unable to sell mats, since everyone else is flat broke and cannot afford to pay for them. It is also too expensive to just craft new gear instead of repairing the old gear to get around the gold fees.

I guess my character needs to get on ESO welfare gold payouts daily, because i cannot afford to play the content that i payed real money to play. It is also against the rules to take out my credit card and buy gold from a chinese gold selling store and i risk loosing my account over this.

Something needs to change, and it needs to change quickly.

anitajoneb17_ESO · November 2015

Lol.

Go out. Pick up some flowers. Especially columbine. Put them for sale in guild store. Rinse and repeat for a couple of hours. You're rich.

Fantastic, isn't it ?

Alternatives : get to the IC sewers. Kill mobs. Collect TV stones. Buy potency runes. Sell. Deconstruct loot, collect mats, sell.

dsalter · November 2015

last i recall people still have tons of gold...
if anything they need to introduce some stupidly expensive reskinned horses to help bleed the system of gold

MrBeatDown · November 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lol.

Go out. Pick up some flowers. Especially columbine. Put them for sale in guild store. Rinse and repeat for a couple of hours. You're rich.

Fantastic, isn't it ?

Another gold sink? Only the rich can afford to blow gold on crafted pots, but the rich are far and few between, Many of these rich ones, already have people they get them from anyway, and you risk leaving your flowers sitting in a guild store until they sell, IF they sell, AND THERE IS A GOLD FEE ASSOCIATED WITH LISTING THEM which is not re imbursable. I should not have to spend several hours a day trying to farm flowers, then waiting on them to sell, before i am able to play the pve dungeons that i payed to play. Some people have real life to deal with and dont have time to farm junk that they may or may not be able to sell.

BalticBlues · November 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Rinse and repeat for a couple of hours.

This concept is called WORK. In real life a must, in game a bust.

Until IC the economy was nice, you could do it by the way, and the game was fun.
IC then brought endless grinding for endless mat requirements. The work started.
Orsinium brought endless grinding to sustain the costs of VMA.The work continues.

Game designers replacing fun with work probably do not understand "entertainment".
ZOS really thinks people like to WORK in game to play the END game?
Sorry, if ZOS really thinks this way, the game could be dead soon.

I see more of my friends leaving each day. People want to have fun and play Fallout.
I am still playing ESO, but it is getting lonely and somehow the fun is gone.

hrothbern · November 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lol.

Go out. Pick up some flowers. Especially columbine. Put them for sale in guild store. Rinse and repeat for a couple of hours. You're rich.

Fantastic, isn't it ?

Alternatives : get to the IC sewers. Kill mobs. Collect TV stones. Buy potency runes. Sell. Deconstruct loot, collect mats, sell.

haha... yesss

Only the Defense Industry and Wall Street are in a depression, not the common blokes, harvesting and farming real stuff

Sevalaricgirl · November 2015

MrBeatDown wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lol.

Go out. Pick up some flowers. Especially columbine. Put them for sale in guild store. Rinse and repeat for a couple of hours. You're rich.

Fantastic, isn't it ?

Another gold sink? Only the rich can afford to blow gold on crafted pots, but the rich are far and few between, Many of these rich ones, already have people they get them from anyway, and you risk leaving your flowers sitting in a guild store until they sell, IF they sell, AND THERE IS A GOLD FEE ASSOCIATED WITH LISTING THEM which is not re imbursable. I should not have to spend several hours a day trying to farm flowers, then waiting on them to sell, before i am able to play the pve dungeons that i payed to play. Some people have real life to deal with and dont have time to farm junk that they may or may not be able to sell.

I absolutely agree with you on this one. Only a few of the players are rich in game. The guild store was a stupid thing. They should have had an trading post. As an unguilded player who doesn't want to be in a guild, I have always been against the auction house. I'm sure the players who have tons of money think it's a great idea...of course they would.

Guild Wars 2 did away with repair costs because it was just too much in the economy. I don't have a problem with paying for repairs but ESO needs to learn what SWTOR did, if we pay to play, then the repair costs should be doable no matter what the content is. ESO hasn't learned that yet. They are catering to players who can spend their time grinding or who PvP a lot.

DanielWinterborn · November 2015

To be honest i am doing better than ever, i can say i am a true rich person ingame...Hmmmm just for the fun of it i will go and change a couple of items to do some testing cause i can afford it

WTB Tempering Alloy!!!

Ariisen · November 2015

Roll an alt, quest, deconstruct items, pick things up, sell stacks of water, mats, flowers, tannins, runes ect.
Have fun while you do so.

Get rich or die trying.

josh5813 · November 2015

So the underlying message to this post is the game should just hand you large amounts of gold since you bought the game with real money.

Seriously getting gold in the game isn't hard by any means.

For me just playing the game and killing stuff, looting and selling what I got to vendors and not even really bothering with any guild stores earns me more than enough gold.

If I really wanted to I can earn 1000 gold in a matter of 30mins by just playing the game and I have never been like "Man I really want to do this but I can't since I have no gold" nor have I ever had to worry about armor repair costs.

Also not trying to be mean but it sounds like you are not even trying to earn gold but instead just want to be handed large amounts of gold because you spent real money to buy the game.

To sum it up, laziness is no excuse.

MrBeatDown · November 2015

josh5813 wrote: »

So the underlying message to this post is the game should just hand you large amounts of gold since you bought the game with real money.

Seriously getting gold in the game isn't hard by any means.

For me just playing the game and killing stuff, looting and selling what I got to vendors and not even really bothering with any guild stores earns me more than enough gold.

If I really wanted to I can earn 1000 gold in a matter of 30mins by just playing the game and I have never been like "Man I really want to do this but I can't since I have no gold" nor have I ever had to worry about armor repair costs.

Also not trying to be mean but it sounds like you are not even trying to earn gold but instead just want to be handed large amounts of gold because you spent real money to buy the game.

To sum it up, laziness is no excuse.

You must be a casual that does not play V M A. With your way of thinking, i would believe you have low standards and believe that you should have to slave yourself away in a video game and treat it like a job instead of the entertainment that it is supposed to be. I do not pay people money to make me do work. When i pay for something, i expect something in return that is self gratifying. You sound like one of those that likes the carrot dangled in front of your face, even though you will never get it, you enjoy chasing it. Ive elevated myself way above this type of thinking and just so you know, life is much better when you decide to improve yourself and realize your worth. If you do not care about yourself, then i suppose this is all you will amount to in life. A carrot chaser.

BalticBlues · November 2015

josh5813 wrote: »

So the underlying message to this post is
the game should just hand you large amounts of gold

No. The message is that PvE VMA should not cost gold for repairs.
PVP also costs no gold for repairs.
This is because people would not PvP if they had to pay for repairs.

So why are PvE players treated differently from PvP players?
Playing the favorite end game (PvE VMA orPvP Cyrodiil)
should be free of repairs for all people or for none.

People who are not in a big trade guild cannot sustain the costs of VMA.
Being unable to play what they like indeed must be depressing...

josh5813 · November 2015

MrBeatDown wrote: »

josh5813 wrote: »

So the underlying message to this post is the game should just hand you large amounts of gold since you bought the game with real money.

Seriously getting gold in the game isn't hard by any means.

For me just playing the game and killing stuff, looting and selling what I got to vendors and not even really bothering with any guild stores earns me more than enough gold.

If I really wanted to I can earn 1000 gold in a matter of 30mins by just playing the game and I have never been like "Man I really want to do this but I can't since I have no gold" nor have I ever had to worry about armor repair costs.

Also not trying to be mean but it sounds like you are not even trying to earn gold but instead just want to be handed large amounts of gold because you spent real money to buy the game.

To sum it up, laziness is no excuse.

You must be a casual that does not play V M A. With your way of thinking, i would believe you have low standards and believe that you should have to slave yourself away in a video game and treat it like a job instead of the entertainment that it is supposed to be. I do not pay people money to make me do work. When i pay for something, i expect something in return that is self gratifying. You sound like one of those that likes the carrot dangled in front of your face, even though you will never get it, you enjoy chasing it. Ive elevated myself way above this type of thinking and just so you know, life is much better when you decide to improve yourself and realize your worth. If you do not care about yourself, then i suppose this is all you will amount to in life. A carrot chaser.

So I was right, you just want to be handed everything you want and demand in the game but not be expected to do anything for it. Earning the gold doesn't mean the player is treating the game like a job it means they are playing the game.

Casual? So I'm casual because I go out and get the gold I need instead of just standing around crying and posting about being broke in-game but again at the same time not wanting to do anything about it?

Just because your idea of fun is being handed everything for free and doesn't involve actually earning it doesn't mean there is a huge problem with the in-game economy, it means you just want to be handed everything because that's your own personal view of what having fun in-game means.

MrBeatDown · November 2015

josh5813 wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

josh5813 wrote: »

So the underlying message to this post is the game should just hand you large amounts of gold since you bought the game with real money.

Seriously getting gold in the game isn't hard by any means.

For me just playing the game and killing stuff, looting and selling what I got to vendors and not even really bothering with any guild stores earns me more than enough gold.

If I really wanted to I can earn 1000 gold in a matter of 30mins by just playing the game and I have never been like "Man I really want to do this but I can't since I have no gold" nor have I ever had to worry about armor repair costs.

Also not trying to be mean but it sounds like you are not even trying to earn gold but instead just want to be handed large amounts of gold because you spent real money to buy the game.

To sum it up, laziness is no excuse.

You must be a casual that does not play V M A. With your way of thinking, i would believe you have low standards and believe that you should have to slave yourself away in a video game and treat it like a job instead of the entertainment that it is supposed to be. I do not pay people money to make me do work. When i pay for something, i expect something in return that is self gratifying. You sound like one of those that likes the carrot dangled in front of your face, even though you will never get it, you enjoy chasing it. Ive elevated myself way above this type of thinking and just so you know, life is much better when you decide to improve yourself and realize your worth. If you do not care about yourself, then i suppose this is all you will amount to in life. A carrot chaser.

So I was right, you just want to be handed everything you want and demand in the game but not be expected to do anything for it. Earning the gold doesn't mean the player is treating the game like a job it means they are playing the game.

Casual? So I'm casual because I go out and get the gold I need instead of just standing around crying and posting about being broke in-game but again at the same time not wanting to do anything about it?

Just because your idea of fun is being handed everything for free and doesn't involve actually earning it doesn't mean there is a huge problem with the in-game economy, it means you just want to be handed everything because that's your own personal view of what having fun in-game means.

Just ask any player and they will tell you earning gold isn't hard and earning a good amount of gold doesn't take long and can be done in about 30 mins.

This is where your brain is failing you, When you pay money out of your pocket for a product (entertainment) then you should have a feeling of self gratification for spending the real life money that you already performed real life labor to aquire so that you can enjoy yourself with your off time. Turning a video game into a "Grind for several hours" before you can "play the way you want" which in this instance, for me and several others, is to play the end game content (since we already have the V16 characters with 350+ cp) Should not be a second part time job. I should be able to log in, jump on my character, and be able to go to any dungeon in this game, without haveing to worry about the fact that repair cost are going to set me back a few days, weeks, maybe even months, before im able to enjoy the content that i Payed for. By your logic, i should be happy with not being able to enjoy my content that i bought, until i grind for several hours, days, weeks, maybe even months before i can do that. By that time, new content will be released, and my money that i payed to be able to get these items, is for nothing, because all gear, content, zone, and anything else, is outdated and no longer the end game. So basically your telling me to be happy with just giving these guys money for nothing, and that i should save my money for a next update, so i can run that content for 1 or 2 days and be flat broke again, and start the farm again for the next few months.

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icontested · November 2015

MrBeatDown wrote: »

josh5813 wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

josh5813 wrote: »

So the underlying message to this post is the game should just hand you large amounts of gold since you bought the game with real money.

Seriously getting gold in the game isn't hard by any means.

For me just playing the game and killing stuff, looting and selling what I got to vendors and not even really bothering with any guild stores earns me more than enough gold.

If I really wanted to I can earn 1000 gold in a matter of 30mins by just playing the game and I have never been like "Man I really want to do this but I can't since I have no gold" nor have I ever had to worry about armor repair costs.

Also not trying to be mean but it sounds like you are not even trying to earn gold but instead just want to be handed large amounts of gold because you spent real money to buy the game.

To sum it up, laziness is no excuse.

You must be a casual that does not play V M A. With your way of thinking, i would believe you have low standards and believe that you should have to slave yourself away in a video game and treat it like a job instead of the entertainment that it is supposed to be. I do not pay people money to make me do work. When i pay for something, i expect something in return that is self gratifying. You sound like one of those that likes the carrot dangled in front of your face, even though you will never get it, you enjoy chasing it. Ive elevated myself way above this type of thinking and just so you know, life is much better when you decide to improve yourself and realize your worth. If you do not care about yourself, then i suppose this is all you will amount to in life. A carrot chaser.

So I was right, you just want to be handed everything you want and demand in the game but not be expected to do anything for it. Earning the gold doesn't mean the player is treating the game like a job it means they are playing the game.

Casual? So I'm casual because I go out and get the gold I need instead of just standing around crying and posting about being broke in-game but again at the same time not wanting to do anything about it?

Just because your idea of fun is being handed everything for free and doesn't involve actually earning it doesn't mean there is a huge problem with the in-game economy, it means you just want to be handed everything because that's your own personal view of what having fun in-game means.

Just ask any player and they will tell you earning gold isn't hard and earning a good amount of gold doesn't take long and can be done in about 30 mins.

This is where your brain is failing you, When you pay money out of your pocket for a product (entertainment) then you should have a feeling of self gratification for spending the real life money that you already performed real life labor to aquire so that you can enjoy yourself with your off time. Turning a video game into a "Grind for several hours" before you can "play the way you want" which in this instance, for me and several others, is to play the end game content (since we already have the V16 characters with 350+ cp) Should not be a second part time job. I should be able to log in, jump on my character, and be able to go to any dungeon in this game, without haveing to worry about the fact that repair cost are going to set me back a few days, weeks, maybe even months, before im able to enjoy the content that i Payed for. By your logic, i should be happy with not being able to enjoy my content that i bought, until i grind for several hours, days, weeks, maybe even months before i can do that. By that time, new content will be released, and my money that i payed to be able to get these items, is for nothing, because all gear, content, zone, and anything else, is outdated and no longer the end game. So basically your telling me to be happy with just giving these guys money for nothing, and that i should save my money for a next update, so i can run that content for 1 or 2 days and be flat broke again, and start the farm again for the next few months.

I usually wouldn't do this but I see BOTH of your points. Neither of you are right or wrong. I think a meeting of both ideas is actually the sweet spot. Why I decided to say something is you are both respectful. I always hate to see two respectful people turn ugly. Agree to disagree with no more insults? I only say this because you two are more alike than you think and one petty thing should not bring out ugly.

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Thalmor-Nordmaster · November 2015

Can't you just go to the Rift and steal things from the Nords? And then sell them to a fence. Its not like they are smart enough to know whats missing.

josh5813 · November 2015

Turning a video game into a "Grind for several hours" before you can "play the way you want".

See this is where you seem to be confused. Every player has a different view of what they think "play the way you want" means.

To me it means "Playing the game" by doing missions, side quests, killing stuff and so on.

To you it means being handed everything.

In this game you don't have to "grind for hours" to get what you want, when the game basically hands you gold at every turn.

Trolling? I'm beginning to think you are using words you don't understand the definition to.

When someone disagrees with you that doesn't mean they are trolling and claiming someone is trolling only on the grounds that they don't just outright agree with you also doesn't make it true.

Here's the reality of all this and why I disagree with you, the way "you want to play" would actually do harm to the in-game economy. Since everyone would have a large amount of gold everything would be that more expensive..

So if being handed everything is your idea of fun, good for you and if you think running off to a Chinese gold selling site is the only way to make everything better so you can finally start having fun more power to you.

Cously · November 2015

There is always an economy depression, depends on your point of view. A lot of business break during a depression but also many raise. If you want to keep your living standards then you have to adapt and find another way to make money. Sadly the game is limited compared to real life, I don't like the direction this is going. I do agree BOE needs to come back. It was very useful. I'd sell my drops and save money to buy those things I couldn't get but others could. All but monster sets and master weapons should be BOE.

Dubhliam · November 2015

Gold sinks are your friends.
You don't want inflation, trust me. That is where the REAL gap between rich and poor forms.

Waseem · November 2015

yeah those guys " buy cheap sell expensive " gold makers having a problem at the moment selling gold for USD
they shouldnt have quitted their job in RL at first place...

MrBeatDown · November 2015

Dubhliam wrote: »

Gold sinks are your friends.
You don't want inflation, trust me. That is where the REAL gap between rich and poor forms.

What im witnessing is Inflation for Legendary mats, Columbine, and Kuta. These items are consumables. So you use them one time and they are gone anyway, hence a gold sink. On top of them already being a consumable gold sink, The prices are skyrocketing and making it un affordable in most circumstances. Less of these items are selling, but prices are skyrocketing. If your paying attention to the ones that are selling them, you will notice that they are hoarded items. These folks got full guild banks dedicated to these items. Over supply and no demand causes inflation. So when Joe Blow gets a Kuta and decides hes going to sell it, he doesnt have to try very hard to be competitive to ditch it, He can throw it out for a measly 200 gold cheaper than anyone else for the quick sell, But the reality is, 2 months ago he would have gotten 3k less gold for it than hes about to get for it. Hows that for inflation?

anitajoneb17_ESO · November 2015

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Over supply and no demand causes inflation.

Where did you learn basic economics ???

MrBeatDown · November 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Over supply and no demand causes inflation.

Where did you learn basic economics ???

America, Did you see our housing Bubble? Stock market Bubble, Silver/Gold, Education Loan, ETC ETC ETC. Its the way it works. Lower demand, Inflated prices to recoup losses. If the rich are going to loose, then they loose the bare minimum possible. Thats the way it works.

But this is a video game, so its a million times easier to regulate and fix.

I should not have to spend several hours,days,weeks,months, Whatever, just to farm up enough gold to Farm a dungeon........

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JamilaRaj · November 2015

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Currently I cannot play the PVE V M A because i cannot afford to pay the repair cost associated with it, im also unable to afford to pay the gold fees associated with changing skills, CP's, Crafting mats, ETC, to optimize my character in order to play the content that i payed my Real Money for. Im also unable to play the Daily's because i cannot afford to pay the repair cost associated with those.

Perhaps you could try one of ZOS's many cash to gold money laundering schemes, such as buying some convenient repair kits from the crowns store, to remediate your gold issues.

BalticBlues wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Rinse and repeat for a couple of hours.

This concept is called WORK. In real life a must...

Not necessarily, you can let other people do that rinse and repeat part and then just collect proceeds e.g. on the pretext that you somehow own that rinse and repeat business.

anitajoneb17_ESO · November 2015

MrBeatDown wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Over supply and no demand causes inflation.

Where did you learn basic economics ???

America, Did you see our housing Bubble? Stock market Bubble, Silver/Gold, Education Loan, ETC ETC ETC. Its the way it works. Lower demand, Inflated prices to recoup losses. If the rich are going to loose, then they loose the bare minimum possible. Thats the way it works.

But this is a video game, so its a million times easier to regulate and fix.

I should not have to spend several hours,days,weeks,months, Whatever, just to farm up enough gold to Farm a dungeon........

You got it all wrong I'm afraid.
Prices get higher when offer is LOWER than demand. That can be a very healthy process and no sign of bad economy.
Inflation occurs when money is thrown into the economy without any extra goods and services being offered. THAT is a sign of unbalanced economy, and that is what would occur if ZOS removed gold sinks such as repair costs, or increased gold dropping from mobs or quest rewards.
Kuta are expensive at the moment because people try new armor sets and want to enchant them legendary. And because there is a lot of new content with Orsinium, there are less people farming Kuta or obtaining them via writs. Offer is low, demand is high, prices rise. But that's normal, not inflation.

That is how it works.

Point is, you don't want to do anything to earn gold. You want gold handed over to you. But that would not help you because it would cause inflation. Prices would raise and you would find yourself just as unable to purchase what you need as before.
Inversely, if you choose to farm and sell, you will contribute to raise supply and lower prices.

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Reznique · November 2015

If you want anything in this game- you have to grind.

Thats why this game is turning into Elder Lineage Online

TERMINAT0R_XVII · November 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Over supply and no demand causes inflation.

Where did you learn basic economics ???

America, Did you see our housing Bubble? Stock market Bubble, Silver/Gold, Education Loan, ETC ETC ETC. Its the way it works. Lower demand, Inflated prices to recoup losses. If the rich are going to loose, then they loose the bare minimum possible. Thats the way it works.

But this is a video game, so its a million times easier to regulate and fix.

I should not have to spend several hours,days,weeks,months, Whatever, just to farm up enough gold to Farm a dungeon........

You got it all wrong I'm afraid.
Prices get higher when offer is LOWER than demand. That can be a very healthy process and no sign of bad economy.
Inflation occurs when money is thrown into the economy without any extra goods and services being offered. THAT is a sign of unbalanced economy, and that is what would occur if ZOS removed gold sinks such as repair costs, or increased gold dropping from mobs or quest rewards.
Kuta are expensive at the moment because people try new armor sets and want to enchant them legendary. And because there is a lot of new content with Orsinium, there are less people farming Kuta or obtaining them via writs. Offer is low, demand is high, prices rise. But that's normal, not inflation.

That is how it works.

Point is, you don't want to do anything to earn gold. You want gold handed over to you. But that would not help you because it would cause inflation. Prices would raise and you would find yourself just as unable to purchase what you need as before.
Inversely, if you choose to farm and sell, you will contribute to raise supply and lower prices.

Finally someone is making sense.

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MrBeatDown · November 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Over supply and no demand causes inflation.

Where did you learn basic economics ???

America, Did you see our housing Bubble? Stock market Bubble, Silver/Gold, Education Loan, ETC ETC ETC. Its the way it works. Lower demand, Inflated prices to recoup losses. If the rich are going to loose, then they loose the bare minimum possible. Thats the way it works.

But this is a video game, so its a million times easier to regulate and fix.

I should not have to spend several hours,days,weeks,months, Whatever, just to farm up enough gold to Farm a dungeon........

You got it all wrong I'm afraid.
Prices get higher when offer is LOWER than demand. That can be a very healthy process and no sign of bad economy.
Inflation occurs when money is thrown into the economy without any extra goods and services being offered. THAT is a sign of unbalanced economy, and that is what would occur if ZOS removed gold sinks such as repair costs, or increased gold dropping from mobs or quest rewards.
Kuta are expensive at the moment because people try new armor sets and want to enchant them legendary. And because there is a lot of new content with Orsinium, there are less people farming Kuta or obtaining them via writs. Offer is low, demand is high, prices rise. But that's normal, not inflation.

That is how it works.

Point is, you don't want to do anything to earn gold. You want gold handed over to you. But that would not help you because it would cause inflation. Prices would raise and you would find yourself just as unable to purchase what you need as before.
Inversely, if you choose to farm and sell, you will contribute to raise supply and lower prices.

Na, That is not how inflation is working. First of all, just because something has a sticker price, That does not mean that is what its worth. It may have a fair market value, or a government tax assessment, or a book price, but, Bottom line is, An item is worth what someone is willing to pay for it at the time of purchase. You cannot regulate the price of what someone wants to sell, so its final value is what is being payed for it. Ive never seen a book, a tax assessment paper, or computer buy anything from anyone before. It would definitely blow my mind.

See the thing is, government taxes rise, so product price raises with it. (grocery for example) My gallon of milk still cost more now than it did 4 years ago, but the price of gasoline has also dropped back down to $1.94 where i live. But my milk price never dropped, it retained the high price tag that it received several years ago from the price increase of gasoline. So what gives? Well, the answer is, Inflation. But the supposed reason why the price was inflated in the first place was based off of gasoline prices. But as production cost continue to rise My price for a gallon of milk where i live will not drop. Also, god forbid the cows get sick, it will cost several millions of dollars to replace all the live stock that will be slaughtered to prevent contamination and several billion gallons of milk might also have to be destroyed.

At the end of the day though, My milk price never decreased, even though the supposed reason for the initial increase is gone and over. This is inflation. And ill still pay the grocery store sticker price for milk If i want it. Otherwise i will have to go without. That is how supply/demand/ and inflation work in the USA.

Anything else?

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anitajoneb17_ESO · November 2015

MrBeatDown wrote: »

That is how supply/demand/ and inflation work in the USA.

Anything else?

Supply / demand / inflation / price evolution work the same in the USA as everywhere else in the world.
And I'm sorry but I have to repeat that you are all wrong. You simply don't understand these concepts. But I'm not going to waste my time explaining basics to someone who's not willing to learn, sorry.

Meshal · November 2015

it seems the way it is right now, they're planning to put gold stacks in crown store.

ADarklore · November 2015

I'm kind of laughing at this... because apparently some people don't understand what an MMO involves... GRINDING. I don't know of any MMO that doesn't have some sort of grind to it... but ESO has much less IMO than any of the others I've played. I have acquired so much gold on my newest character just from killing mobs and selling loot to regular game merchants, while also selling any rare drops in Guild Trader. In the past I would farm materials and sell them in Guild Traders to make a lot of money... a couple hours of farming and I'd have thousands of gold. Right now my newest character is sitting on 30K gold just from grinding mobs and regular questing.

Not sure how anyone can come to an MMO and then complain because there is grinding involved... apparently they've never played an MMO before, so I'd like to welcome them to an MMO... Grinding, get used to it.