The ESO Great Depression

DanielMaxwell

Genomic wrote: »

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

josh5813 wrote: »

So the underlying message to this post is the game should just hand you large amounts of gold since you bought the game with real money.

Seriously getting gold in the game isn't hard by any means.

For me just playing the game and killing stuff, looting and selling what I got to vendors and not even really bothering with any guild stores earns me more than enough gold.

If I really wanted to I can earn 1000 gold in a matter of 30mins by just playing the game and I have never been like "Man I really want to do this but I can't since I have no gold" nor have I ever had to worry about armor repair costs.

Also not trying to be mean but it sounds like you are not even trying to earn gold but instead just want to be handed large amounts of gold because you spent real money to buy the game.

To sum it up, laziness is no excuse.

You must be a casual that does not play V M A. With your way of thinking, i would believe you have low standards and believe that you should have to slave yourself away in a video game and treat it like a job instead of the entertainment that it is supposed to be. I do not pay people money to make me do work. When i pay for something, i expect something in return that is self gratifying. You sound like one of those that likes the carrot dangled in front of your face, even though you will never get it, you enjoy chasing it. Ive elevated myself way above this type of thinking and just so you know, life is much better when you decide to improve yourself and realize your worth. If you do not care about yourself, then i suppose this is all you will amount to in life. A carrot chaser.

Got news for you: if you are here playing an MMO -- you are also a carrot chaser. =P

careful the truth can be offensive to some people , since even in real life everyone is chasing the proverbial carrot on a stick in order to get what they want in life whether it is material items , gaining money , social status , promotions at work or any other thing that they want.

Of course they do, but there are degrees to this, and most of these things have real-world benefits. In a computer game the carrot on a stick is too easily overdone and can become particularly onerous considering you're grinding away for 1's and 0's locked away on a server somewhere. So it's a fine line. Games are fun, entertainment. Make them too grindy and people start to become more aware of the pointlessness of the grind.

very true , just gets funny when they forget that little fact .

Waffennacht

I think I understand where the disconnect is.

I keep thinking about people's meaning of grindy. They mean it takes a lot of time and effort to gain the best or at least better. They want to be competitive at a decent amount of time, this can be because of life etc (doesn't matter).

For me, I view the high end gear, the gear that will take weeks to get, not as a necessity to be competitive. It is a reward, like when completing a quest. Simple improvement is all. I loved facing a vet 16 while I was vet 12 with no battle leveling. I knew theoretically he was more powerful than I so if I were to win I had to out play him. I did not look at his advantages as incentive to stop playing but rather a reason to continue.

The only reason to have better anything is to do better while playing the game, if you felt like you were doing well already there isn't nearly the feeling of grind but rather one of playing the game.

I guess in conclusion those that feel the game is a grindy one rather than a long road reward feel they must improve to enjoy the game, this improvement can come through sharpening one's skills.

Mojmir

Its a video game,there is no economy.

DanielMaxwell

Mojmir wrote: »

Its a video game,there is no economy.

actually there is a virtual economy , that some players want to make more like the real life economy despite how complex that would be for programming into the game world .

Mojmir

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Its a video game,there is no economy.

actually there is a virtual economy , that some players want to make more like the real life economy despite how complex that would be for programming into the game world .

Oh cool where do I invest for my retirement? And I don't see any of my guild vendors on the NYSE

DanielMaxwell

Mojmir wrote: »

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Its a video game,there is no economy.

actually there is a virtual economy , that some players want to make more like the real life economy despite how complex that would be for programming into the game world .

Oh cool where do I invest for my retirement? And I don't see any of my guild vendors on the NYSE

well first you have to develop a means for you to exist in the virtual world of the game other then as the being controling a digital avatar . until you can do that the virtual economy is only virtual and not real.

Waffennacht

Mojmir wrote: »

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Its a video game,there is no economy.

actually there is a virtual economy , that some players want to make more like the real life economy despite how complex that would be for programming into the game world .

Oh cool where do I invest for my retirement? And I don't see any of my guild vendors on the NYSE

I don't wanna jump in too much... but technically there are those sell gold for cash sites. If you wanna get to it, right there is a monetary value to every in game item.

Though I completely abhor such things, they exist.

Mojmir

I realize it is such a thing in games,just so hilarious when ppl spotlight it to be so serious,.

OGLezard

cheese

k2blader

To me the main problem with gold is not enough is awarded for PvP.

Kyros

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Its real folks, ESO is in a full scale Economic depression and commerce with guild stores are suffering from the economic downfall because of BOP and BOE. Everything you do in ESO has a gold cost associated with it. They have successfully bleed the gold out of everyone that was already dependent on sales of items to continue to progress their characters. There is way to many gold sinks in this game. We need more gold to play the game. When i spend real money to purchase the game/DLC , i expect to be able to play it with my gear/skills points/etc. Currently I cannot play the PVE V M A because i cannot afford to pay the repair cost associated with it, im also unable to afford to pay the gold fees associated with changing skills, CP's, Crafting mats, ETC, to optimize my character in order to play the content that i payed my Real Money for. Im also unable to play the Daily's because i cannot afford to pay the repair cost associated with those. Im also unable to sell mats, since everyone else is flat broke and cannot afford to pay for them. It is also too expensive to just craft new gear instead of repairing the old gear to get around the gold fees.

I guess my character needs to get on ESO welfare gold payouts daily, because i cannot afford to play the content that i payed real money to play. It is also against the rules to take out my credit card and buy gold from a chinese gold selling store and i risk loosing my account over this.

Something needs to change, and it needs to change quickly.

you just the begginner, you not familiar with ESO trading guides and dont know how to earn money with guildstores
all you need is few addons and few hours in a day - and you will have all gold you need from re-selling items
i did like 1 million gold in a week while spending on trading only 1 hour in a day

so stop being noob and stop whine
i bolded your words - which is clear lie about everyone is flat broke

gen_reynard2050

if PVE player can't farm gold, then what make you think PVP player can farm gold..

Kyros

P.s. few days ago i bought Warlock ring purple vr12 for 10k gold
and after few days i sold it at the guildstore for 499.999
like an example

yes yes everyone is flat broke
cool story bro

Snickers1

I've earnt above 2 mill gold since release and spent above 700k.

Gold isnt a problem.

josh5813

People save your breath you aren't going to make him understand how easy it is to earn gold in-game. He just wants to be handed large amounts of gold for free without doing anything in return solely on the grounds of "I paid for the game and since this is my way of having fun ZOS needs to accommodate me on that".

MrBeatDown

josh5813 wrote: »

People save your breath you aren't going to make him understand how easy it is to earn gold in-game. He just wants to be handed large amounts of gold for free without doing anything in return solely on the grounds of "I paid for the game and since this is my way of having fun ZOS needs to accommodate me on that".

Thats right, Save your breath. Make your own newby PVE Farm thread about how you enjoy farming. Stay out of competitive players threads, then everyone will be happy. Bye!

anitajoneb17_ESO

Pro-Tip for @MrBeatDown : don't start threads on public forums if you cannot handle people disagreeing with you and you're unhappy about them :-)

josh5813

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Pro-Tip for @MrBeatDown : don't start threads on public forums if you cannot handle people disagreeing with you and you're unhappy about them :-)

Thank you, I was about to say the same thing.

What's worse than someone who can't handle others not agreeing with them is starting a thread whining and crying about how they are broke but are to lazy to do anything about it and think it's ZOS responsibility to come to the rescue and make everything better for them and saying they are willing to go to a gold selling site to buy gold to make everything better. Then throw up the "you are trolling" card when they don't like what they hear.

Kyros

first post of this topic is full of blatant lie
i prooved it in my last posts here

Vangy

Its kinda easy to verify how the ESO market works...

Go to guild stores and look for items sold that are popular. Ie Columbine on PC AD is sold at almost always 320-400 gold a pop. I can list down the most frequent sellers by name ( not allowed here). But its kinda obvious they fix the price. No one tells them that columbine should be sold at 320 gold lol. I see the same few guys posting the same stacks of columbine week after week after week at the same price. If it dosent move they dont care lol. They still price it at the same price until someone is desperate enough to buy it. Same goes for rare stuff like agility rings or things high in demand but low in supply. They control the rarest assets so they dictate the price. An agility ring is sure as hell not worth 350k lol. Who do you think decided on them being so costly. The sellers realised its rare so are pricing them ridiculously high. Not the market.

On the other hand, things like kuta/tempers etc which are relatively high in supply most of the time (ie supply>demand) they tend to have prices that are pretty much agreed upon by the community. Like kutas go for around 6k and if u try to ask for 8k people will just laugh u off or type WTB kuta in zone chat and get like 200 sellers pming them that they can sell for 5.8k.

I guess the key to this is how much leverage the seller has. If ur item is rare as hell (ie agility rings) u have all the power and market will bend to your will. If ur item is common enough you lose any leverage and have to take guidance from what other people are pricing that said item at. I guess its just simple supply-demand but lets not forget monopolies that are fairly obvious happening in places like rawlkha guild traders etc. These tend to defy the supply demand rules because these guys just buy up every single columbine for example and price them higher therby artificially inflating prices.

Kyros

i also sold Dylora's Staff vr16 for 1.3 million gold
its common price because item is TOO EXTREMELY RARE

MrBeatDown

Kyros wrote: »

i also sold Dylora's Staff vr16 for 1.3 million gold
its common price because item is TOO EXTREMELY RARE

You sold a complete piece of garbage for 1.3 million gold. I pity the fool that bought it. Good job on the sell though, that has to be one hell of a sells pitch to sell trash for that much gold just because its rare.

mr_wazzabi

Reeko wrote: »

I don't understand. I have plenty of gold. 300k which to me is more than enough. Repair costs? Most i ave paid for doing a pledge in the last few months was 300 gold. A single daily in Cyrodiil covers that. Only things i sell on traders is little bits here and there for 1-3k gold.

Like real life gold is not free. You can't expect to sit and do nothing and make gold. Do the dailys in Cyrodiil, IC, Orsinium, your daily writs, etc. You can also make good gold stealing/pick pocketing and fencing your goods.

Really now, it took more effort to make this topic then it woud have to do even one of these things.

From what i hear, vma breaks your gear so much that if you want to play it everyday, you'll need to farm gold before even stepping in.

Vma takes most people on average 3-4 hours to complete. I personally do not have the time to do vma AND all of the things you mentioned to get gold. Vma must drop enough gold by itself in order to cover the costs, or else nobody will want to play it.

Kyros

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Kyros wrote: »

i also sold Dylora's Staff vr16 for 1.3 million gold
its common price because item is TOO EXTREMELY RARE

You sold a complete piece of garbage for 1.3 million gold. I pity the fool that bought it. Good job on the sell though, that has to be one hell of a sells pitch to sell trash for that much gold just because its rare.

its not a garbage
and fools dont have enough money to buy top items
so please stop posting about things you didnt know at all

i am top trader and i know the real prices of every item in the game

Frenkthevile

ADarklore wrote: »

I'm kind of laughing at this... because apparently some people don't understand what an MMO involves... GRINDING. I don't know of any MMO that doesn't have some sort of grind to it... but ESO has much less IMO than any of the others I've played. I have acquired so much gold on my newest character just from killing mobs and selling loot to regular game merchants, while also selling any rare drops in Guild Trader. In the past I would farm materials and sell them in Guild Traders to make a lot of money... a couple hours of farming and I'd have thousands of gold. Right now my newest character is sitting on 30K gold just from grinding mobs and regular questing.

Not sure how anyone can come to an MMO and then complain because there is grinding involved... apparently they've never played an MMO before, so I'd like to welcome them to an MMO... Grinding, get used to it.

j.d.elyb14a_ESO

You think you have it bad because you aren't handed gold? I was her for beta and launch and I bought imp.edition and a good thing cause back then one kill = one gold. Now

j.d.elyb14a_ESO

Think of all those people that had to work for a horse. This may be a game but don't mean your gonna get a hand out. You could always RP and find a Sugar Momma or Daddy to take care of you.

Volkodav

k2blader wrote: »

To me the main problem with gold is not enough is awarded for PvP.

Why only PvP? Why not for PvE as well?

josh5813

Kyros wrote: »

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Kyros wrote: »

i also sold Dylora's Staff vr16 for 1.3 million gold
its common price because item is TOO EXTREMELY RARE

You sold a complete piece of garbage for 1.3 million gold. I pity the fool that bought it. Good job on the sell though, that has to be one hell of a sells pitch to sell trash for that much gold just because its rare.

its not a garbage
and fools dont have enough money to buy top items
so please stop posting about things you didnt know at all

i am top trader and i know the real prices of every item in the game

I honestly can't tell if this thread is serious or of the OP just posted a troll thread to start an argument.

OP doesn't want to grind (the main feature in any online MMO) to make gold because he doesn't find that fun and is to much work, fair enough. You sold an item for a large amount of gold showing how easy it is to make gold and the OP criticized you for it.

Yet the OP still wants to complain about being broke and is still waiting for ZOS to come running to the rescue and hand him large amounts of gold when ever he demands because he "spent money to buy the game".

Paske

I have to ask - what do you do in game that you can not afford repairs ?

Personally I have 100k gold normally.
Yesterday decided to craft new sets for 2 V16 chars and make them weapons gold. So sitting at 5k gold total ATM.

It will take me a week or so ( probably less ) to get to 100k again.

How ?

1. Do daily dungeon
2. Decon drops
3. ???
4. Profit

Oh yeah I also do daily writs at a loss just to farm for glass pages.

Never really farmed for gold.
Just didn't buy amazing amounts of crap items in store.

Literately every V15-V16 item is worth 400+ gold once deconed.
Just sell mats and enjoy the good times.