UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

GnGEmpire wrote: »

Agree with OP, maelstrom is a huge gold sink and it's impossible the cover to cost of running the content.

I too can't afford going back there anymore until something is done regarding this.

It doesn't make sense for someone toto go and farm other content, just so they can have enough gold to simply play through this content.

Either make the chest drop enough gold to cover the repair bills each round, make the gear sell-able, or something..

Nothing ever dropped in this game has true monetary value though, what 200 gold or so at most? The real moneymaking comes from the player market! Zenimax cannot do anything in that regard, that is something only the community can do. Same goes for supply preparations.

Even if they did increase monetary value and Gold quantity drops on kills that let the player make a quick buck on their own the player market would respond accordingly by raising their prices too.

Nobodys talking about increasing the amount of gold mobs drop

And you are talking about prices going up because of a proposed gold increase for maelstorm, I just dont see that happening.

Thanks to guild traders people arer always neck and neck in terms of pricing on pots v15 Spell pots have made there way down to 10k in alot of cases, Ive seen tripots for 16k but most of the time 17k.

Ontop of that, the suggestion I provided (about a 20k reward in the final chest or quest reward) that is 20k for what % of the population in ESO 5%? 3%? you would see hardly any chang in the player market if any

Agobi wrote: »

People actually buy potions?? o.O

weird

This.

You know there is something like crafting in this game ? You level that without major pain and without even noticing it and it is - in compare to other MMOs - incredible usefull here ?

I think the cost is steep, but money is pretty easy to come by now, I'm lazy and only farm for cash when I need to (I'd rather be doing something fun) but by spending 2 - 3 hours farming certain things you can make 200k gold, it's a pain but it's not that hard.

Nifty2g wrote: »

With the release of Orsinium being great all the new content and all the new gear, and the release of Maelstrom Arena it's been a real blast, but running Malestrom Arena costs about 50,000 gold per run this includes Potions and Repair Bills (with CP Cap you can't manage to get the reduced repair bill cost anymore either) and because of so it's restricting many players from running that content now as they can't support it due to the lack of making gold - everything being Bind on Pickup.

I know ZOS won't acknowledge the issue with the overwhelming amount of BoP for no reason behind it but if it is stopping players from running content (DLC content) then it's becoming a problem. Not sure what you guys are doing but please change your minds, this is getting pretty bad, most of the guys I play with are having trouble getting into Arena now, not only does it not drop Masters Weapons each time, the gold sink is absurd, gives a lot of resentment and feeling restricted into what content you can actually do especially when there is no guaranteed Master Weapon drop with random traits.

With an average of 50,000 gold per run and random traits you're looking at spending around 20,000,000 gold just to get the weapon you're looking for. I've personally done 5 runs and completed three times and have spent over 200,000 gold.

Please do something... @ZOS_GinaBruno

So, you want the best items in the game for less gold? And the problem is .....you spend to much gold, to get the weapon you want? Why do you spend gold if it's not worth it?

There are many things they can improve the area with, but making it cheaper? You lost me....
If this is about gold cost, then don't die so much? Or wear armor you throw away after? Or use potions that doesn't cost as much? These are risk vs reward choices........you don't need ZoS to loose less gold. You control your gold.

If anything,
the risk of "loosing" valuables and repairs in these events, IS one of the reasons they are "High end".
This arena isn't a new dungeon everyone does in their sleep, twice a day to get daily quests.
This is the hardest solo event in the game. Where the best and bravest gets to test their skills. Just like Dragonstar Arena, still is.

If ZoS nerfed Dragonstar as people whined about, it wouldn't be used today other then farming and carry new players who pay gold/cash for it......No thank you.

If you ALREADY have beaten this 3 times and got rewarded with the best items in the game......is your complaint really about the gold cost? Or the wrong kinds of awesome rewards? All your chars can use them. Where is the complaint? This event are for players just like you, warriors and heroes who can test their skills.

If the rewards was easier to get and the risk of gold was slim, then it wouldn't be a test of the best, would it?

I suggest you check the lore and intent with this arena. I sense from your post that you expect this hardest solo event in game, to give these best rewards in the game, without much effort? Or maybe I understood you wrong?

Regarding your bind on pickup complaint
Bind on pickup is there for a reason. A very good one. But only the Arena specific gear and weapons drops only in the arena. All other sets that are bound to you, drops in chests all over Orsinium, in all dungeons chests and bosses, as well as Cyrodiil chests and rewards from the worthy (PvP rewards everyone gets). And....Dragonstar Arena....

The only complaint here I see from you is that the current system makes less players run "DLC content"? Where did you get that from?

• Cyrodiil players have problems with having to many players who are in the Imperial city, instead of the war. This has been increasing for months. That DLC is too good if you ask pvpers. ;-)

• Orsinium is to early to tell, but the huge influx of players the past weeks, with many new guild are born, and returning players who are popping up.....with friends, looks pretty good for this DLC.

The fact that ZoS had to expand their "datacenter" (short for long techy discussion), in order to handle Orsinium, only happens if we are getting more players. The datacenter is the highest cost for an MMO company. Not in what they buy, but the monthly support and license costs.

I share your concern regarding game changes which makes more players quit, then plays. I see nothing of that here?

My concern with Orsinium is that ZoS listens to much on players who only wants easier things. Faster things. No effort, just 100% reward. The solution to harder encounters is NEVER to make the game easier, or lower the risk and increase the rewards.

These things just lower the value of the rewards and quality of the MMO. Which hurts the player base, the community and upcoming DLC.

kuscoe wrote: »

Kryank wrote: »

I think the cost is steep, but money is pretty easy to come by now, I'm lazy and only farm for cash when I need to (I'd rather be doing something fun) but by spending 2 - 3 hours farming certain things you can make 200k gold, it's a pain but it's not that hard.

What are you farming? I iamgine I could get ~60K tops with three hours

What are you farming ?? Mats especially silk sell really well quite easy really.

Cogo wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

With the release of Orsinium being great all the new content and all the new gear, and the release of Maelstrom Arena it's been a real blast, but running Malestrom Arena costs about 50,000 gold per run this includes Potions and Repair Bills (with CP Cap you can't manage to get the reduced repair bill cost anymore either) and because of so it's restricting many players from running that content now as they can't support it due to the lack of making gold - everything being Bind on Pickup.

I know ZOS won't acknowledge the issue with the overwhelming amount of BoP for no reason behind it but if it is stopping players from running content (DLC content) then it's becoming a problem. Not sure what you guys are doing but please change your minds, this is getting pretty bad, most of the guys I play with are having trouble getting into Arena now, not only does it not drop Masters Weapons each time, the gold sink is absurd, gives a lot of resentment and feeling restricted into what content you can actually do especially when there is no guaranteed Master Weapon drop with random traits.

With an average of 50,000 gold per run and random traits you're looking at spending around 20,000,000 gold just to get the weapon you're looking for. I've personally done 5 runs and completed three times and have spent over 200,000 gold.

Please do something... @ZOS_GinaBruno

So, you want the best items in the game for less gold? And the problem is .....you spend to much gold, to get the weapon you want? Why do you spend gold if it's not worth it?

There are many things they can improve the area with, but making it cheaper? You lost me....
If this is about gold cost, then don't die so much? Or wear armor you throw away after? Or use potions that doesn't cost as much? These are risk vs reward choices........you don't need ZoS to loose less gold. You control your gold.

If anything,
the risk of "loosing" valuables and repairs in these events, IS one of the reasons they are "High end".
This arena isn't a new dungeon everyone does in their sleep, twice a day to get daily quests.
This is the hardest solo event in the game. Where the best and bravest gets to test their skills. Just like Dragonstar Arena, still is.

If ZoS nerfed Dragonstar as people whined about, it wouldn't be used today other then farming and carry new players who pay gold/cash for it......No thank you.

If you ALREADY have beaten this 3 times and got rewarded with the best items in the game......is your complaint really about the gold cost? Or the wrong kinds of awesome rewards? All your chars can use them. Where is the complaint? This event are for players just like you, warriors and heroes who can test their skills.

If the rewards was easier to get and the risk of gold was slim, then it wouldn't be a test of the best, would it?

I suggest you check the lore and intent with this arena. I sense from your post that you expect this hardest solo event in game, to give these best rewards in the game, without much effort? Or maybe I understood you wrong?

Regarding your bind on pickup complaint
Bind on pickup is there for a reason. A very good one. But only the Arena specific gear and weapons drops only in the arena. All other sets that are bound to you, drops in chests all over Orsinium, in all dungeons chests and bosses, as well as Cyrodiil chests and rewards from the worthy (PvP rewards everyone gets). And....Dragonstar Arena....

The only complaint here I see from you is that the current system makes less players run "DLC content"?
Where did you get that from?

• Cyrodiil players have problems with having to many players who are in the Imperial city, instead of the war. This has been increasing for months. That DLC is too good if you ask pvpers. ;-)

• Orsinium is to early to tell, but the huge influx of players the past weeks, with many new guild are born, and returning players who are popping up.....with friends, looks pretty good for this DLC.

The fact that ZoS had to expand their "datacenter" (short for long techy discussion), in order to handle Orsinium, only happens if we are getting more players. The datacenter is the highest cost for an MMO company. Not in what they buy, but the monthly support and license costs.

I share your concern regarding game changes which makes more players quit, then plays. I see nothing of that here?

My concern with Orsinium is that ZoS listens to much on players who only wants easier things. Faster things. No effort, just 100% reward. Those things hurts the player base, community and upcoming DLC.

I dont know who makes gear and then throws it away after a VMA run that is extemely stupid and would just make the cost multiply by a factor of 10

Also no one wants them to make Arena easier which you say many times in this post all we want is a TINY amount of instant gratification

This is the hardest solo event in the game. Where the best and bravest gets to test their skills. Just like Dragonstar Arena, still is.

Arena is not that hard once you know what you are doing... And vdsa? LOL that "trial" is the easiest thing in the game the mobs die in the portal, most players SOLO cardinal directions or the arena VDSA is not a challenge VDSA isnt even hard it used to be, in the begining before ZoS nerfed it (and they did )

Seems not alot of people are actually understanding what this thread is about, so ill tell you.

Its about creating incentive for running vma currently there is very little you may say "Oh but BiS weapons" and yeah you are right however these weapons are hardly neccasary for best in game builds

Alot of people are saying "You are lazy go farm mats" and to that I say id love to spend all my time farming mats but id rather play the game, there are people that enjoy farming mats and trading and selling why should I be forced into these things anything more then casually... ontop of that the only "worthwhile" place to farm is completely flooded with the people that enjoy farming

My concern with Orsinium is that ZoS listens to much on players who only wants easier things. Faster things. No effort, just 100% reward. Those things hurts the player base, community and upcoming DLC.

Nobody wants easier just the people who really dont know how to play this game. Faster? we do that on our own by getting better at Arena. No Effort? It takes effort in play and skill and building your character

All I would like is some real actual reward for completing VMA because legitamtely I have run VMA prolly close to 30 times now and I have recieved 3 useable maelstorm weapons... I dont want drop rate increased I think you should have to work for your gear all I and many othersis some gratification (in the form of gold or BoE) for running VMA everytime because right now there is none... one of my friend have even said he is done with VMA because it is just to aggravating

Kryank wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Kryank wrote: »

I think the cost is steep, but money is pretty easy to come by now, I'm lazy and only farm for cash when I need to (I'd rather be doing something fun) but by spending 2 - 3 hours farming certain things you can make 200k gold, it's a pain but it's not that hard.

What are you farming? I iamgine I could get ~60K tops with three hours

What are you farming ?? Mats especially silk sell really well quite easy really.

The only place worth farming is Orsinium and it is grossly overcrowded

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why are you quoting me, I'm barely speaking for myself. For example run Maelstrom tell me how many times you die before you complete it and how much total gold you spend on repairs vs how much you get from looting the chests.

Do I want the gear? No I don't, don't need any of it. Does someone else want it who has 0 chance of getting it? Probably. Can I sell it to them, no I can't.

Can I sell any gear that is useful and requires content to do it no grinding? No I can't, not for the past 4 months. Imperial City requires grinding fyi.

Gold sinks are fine, but we already had a gold sink with White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, Dungeons are known as gold sinks in ESO considering you can't trade any dungeons sets and they brought in great sets with the new dungeons.

Arena has never been a gold sink, you could always sell the gear apart from Master Weapons. ESO already has established gold sinks that work, so I don't see an issue making the new gear from Arena BoE apart from Master Weapons.

Greetings.
I am quoting you to ask about your concerns, since I did not understand them.

Your reply here made me more confused.

Do I want the gear? No I don't, don't need any of it. Does someone else want it who has 0 chance of getting it? Probably. Can I sell it to them, no I can't.

Master weapons and the new Maelstrom weapons have always been bound to the person who gets it.
Is your concern for a lesser playerbase really about being able to sell rare, unique rewards that you get because you are among the best players?

Please elaborate. How would flooding the market with Master weapons, so everyone had them, and by doing so, make most other weapons useless, increase the player base? Not a single MMO that gives everything to everyone, keeps that short increase of players longer then weeks.....Even WoW, which are the kings in all to everyone for no effort, looses millions players between their expansions.

Gold sinks are fine, but we already had a gold sink with White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, Dungeons are known as gold sinks in ESO considering you can't trade any dungeons sets and they brought in great sets with the new dungeons.

Is it gold sinks that is a problem? Bag space and bank space are gold sinks. Not dungeons. Where did you get that from?

Who told you that you can not trade and sell sets that drops in dungeons? Dungeons drops all the sets in the game (apart from event specific rewards), which all are bind on equip.

Dungeons also has a chance of dropping the best sets in the game, which are bound to you. The chance is relative to the value of the item, but this gives all players a chance for these priceless rewards even if they have yet to beat the hardest encounters.

I still don't understand what it is you want ZoS to change?

Arena has never been a gold sink, you could always sell the gear apart from Master Weapons. ESO already has established gold sinks that work, so I don't see an issue making the new gear from Arena BoE apart from Master Weapons.

The arena costs far more gold and takes way longer to defeat, then Maelstrom.
It takes more then just a few evenings for a team before they MIGHT defeated this event.
Arena isn't a gold sink and never was. It is the same as Maelstrom Arena.

The best of the best takes on and wins in the Maelstrom. But just like Dragonstar, players can use valuable tools and powers to assist them. The gold cost is up to the player......

Arena drops has always been the same. Master weapons, bound high end sets and bind on equip set items drops there. Arena even drops all the new bind on equip sets that came with Orsinium.

I have to ask,
do you want all gear to be bound on equip, so you can sell the best items for lots of gold?

This might be a stupid question, but I really don't understand what you want ZoS to fix?

Cogo wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why are you quoting me, I'm barely speaking for myself. For example run Maelstrom tell me how many times you die before you complete it and how much total gold you spend on repairs vs how much you get from looting the chests.

Do I want the gear? No I don't, don't need any of it. Does someone else want it who has 0 chance of getting it? Probably. Can I sell it to them, no I can't.

Can I sell any gear that is useful and requires content to do it no grinding? No I can't, not for the past 4 months. Imperial City requires grinding fyi.

Gold sinks are fine, but we already had a gold sink with White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, Dungeons are known as gold sinks in ESO considering you can't trade any dungeons sets and they brought in great sets with the new dungeons.

Arena has never been a gold sink, you could always sell the gear apart from Master Weapons. ESO already has established gold sinks that work, so I don't see an issue making the new gear from Arena BoE apart from Master Weapons.

Greetings.
I am quoting you to ask about your concerns, since I did not understand them.

Your reply here made me more confused.

Do I want the gear? No I don't, don't need any of it. Does someone else want it who has 0 chance of getting it? Probably. Can I sell it to them, no I can't.

Master weapons and the new Maelstrom weapons have always been bound to the person who gets it.
Is your concern for a lesser playerbase really about being able to sell rare, unique rewards that you get because you are among the best players?

Please elaborate. How would flooding the market with Master weapons, so everyone had them, and by doing so, make most other weapons useless, increase the player base? Not a single MMO that gives everything to everyone, keeps that short increase of players longer then weeks.....Even WoW, which are the kings in all to everyone for no effort, looses millions players between their expansions.

Gold sinks are fine, but we already had a gold sink with White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, Dungeons are known as gold sinks in ESO considering you can't trade any dungeons sets and they brought in great sets with the new dungeons.

Is it gold sinks that is a problem? Bag space and bank space are gold sinks. Not dungeons. Where did you get that from?

Who told you that you can not trade and sell sets that drops in dungeons? Dungeons drops all the sets in the game (apart from event specific rewards), which all are bind on equip.

Dungeons also has a chance of dropping the best sets in the game, which are bound to you. The chance is relative to the value of the item, but this gives all players a chance for these priceless rewards even if they have yet to beat the hardest encounters.

I still don't understand what it is you want ZoS to change?

Arena has never been a gold sink, you could always sell the gear apart from Master Weapons. ESO already has established gold sinks that work, so I don't see an issue making the new gear from Arena BoE apart from Master Weapons.

Arena is the same as now. Master weapons, bound high end sets and bind on equip set items drops there.
Is the change you want, all the new sets that came with Orsinium?

Same there, most are bind on equip, the high end are bound to you and the "new" Master weapons only drops there.

I have to ask,
do you want all gear to be bound on equip, so you can sell the best items for lots of gold?

This might be a stupid question, but I really don't understand what you want ZoS to fix?

Cant tell if troll

kuscoe wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why are you quoting me, I'm barely speaking for myself. For example run Maelstrom tell me how many times you die before you complete it and how much total gold you spend on repairs vs how much you get from looting the chests.

Do I want the gear? No I don't, don't need any of it. Does someone else want it who has 0 chance of getting it? Probably. Can I sell it to them, no I can't.

Can I sell any gear that is useful and requires content to do it no grinding? No I can't, not for the past 4 months. Imperial City requires grinding fyi.

Gold sinks are fine, but we already had a gold sink with White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, Dungeons are known as gold sinks in ESO considering you can't trade any dungeons sets and they brought in great sets with the new dungeons.

Arena has never been a gold sink, you could always sell the gear apart from Master Weapons. ESO already has established gold sinks that work, so I don't see an issue making the new gear from Arena BoE apart from Master Weapons.

Greetings.
I am quoting you to ask about your concerns, since I did not understand them.

Your reply here made me more confused.

Do I want the gear? No I don't, don't need any of it. Does someone else want it who has 0 chance of getting it? Probably. Can I sell it to them, no I can't.

Master weapons and the new Maelstrom weapons have always been bound to the person who gets it.
Is your concern for a lesser playerbase really about being able to sell rare, unique rewards that you get because you are among the best players?

Please elaborate. How would flooding the market with Master weapons, so everyone had them, and by doing so, make most other weapons useless, increase the player base? Not a single MMO that gives everything to everyone, keeps that short increase of players longer then weeks.....Even WoW, which are the kings in all to everyone for no effort, looses millions players between their expansions.

Gold sinks are fine, but we already had a gold sink with White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, Dungeons are known as gold sinks in ESO considering you can't trade any dungeons sets and they brought in great sets with the new dungeons.

Is it gold sinks that is a problem? Bag space and bank space are gold sinks. Not dungeons. Where did you get that from?

Who told you that you can not trade and sell sets that drops in dungeons? Dungeons drops all the sets in the game (apart from event specific rewards), which all are bind on equip.

Dungeons also has a chance of dropping the best sets in the game, which are bound to you. The chance is relative to the value of the item, but this gives all players a chance for these priceless rewards even if they have yet to beat the hardest encounters.

I still don't understand what it is you want ZoS to change?

Arena has never been a gold sink, you could always sell the gear apart from Master Weapons. ESO already has established gold sinks that work, so I don't see an issue making the new gear from Arena BoE apart from Master Weapons.

Arena is the same as now. Master weapons, bound high end sets and bind on equip set items drops there.
Is the change you want, all the new sets that came with Orsinium?

Same there, most are bind on equip, the high end are bound to you and the "new" Master weapons only drops there.

I have to ask,
do you want all gear to be bound on equip, so you can sell the best items for lots of gold?

This might be a stupid question, but I really don't understand what you want ZoS to fix?

Cant tell if troll

People with that set of mind you can't change no matter how simple you word the reply, I think I've said it multiple times in here that Maelstrom gear is subpar gear, it's just a way to make some gold

kuscoe wrote: »

The only place worth farming is Orsinium and it is grossly overcrowded

Wrong there i am afraid there are other places you can farm that will let you choose the mats you want to sell, Sorry i cant be anymore helpful than that but you are missing a real trick.

Kryank wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Kryank wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Kryank wrote: »

I think the cost is steep, but money is pretty easy to come by now, I'm lazy and only farm for cash when I need to (I'd rather be doing something fun) but by spending 2 - 3 hours farming certain things you can make 200k gold, it's a pain but it's not that hard.

What are you farming? I iamgine I could get ~60K tops with three hours

What are you farming ?? Mats especially silk sell really well quite easy really.

ESO economy is in a way like most things in ESO, effort is rewarding and personal skill is the best skill you can have (Sorry, no guides or addons for that).

Traders are great, but just like a merchant in a "real" Tamriel, who using his skills and knowledge for business. Players in tamriel can do just that. Anything sells, or can be purchased. Know the market and find what items YOU can get, which sells for a nice profit.

I'll give a free tip and many sellers will hate me . In Cyro, anyone can buy the new Akvari (spelling) motif for alliance points. 100k, 250k and 500k. All the motifs are there, and not bound.

Sold a 250k AP motif for 150k gold and got a buyer for a 500k Motif for 300k gold.

That's one of million ways to get gold.

The beauty with ESO economy is that everyone can make good gold in their own way of playing. The trick is to find out what.
The only play style in ESO that is not rewarding gold, is "No effort".

Very well put! you sir get an awesome from me

There is a no effort way to make gold and you just made the point yourself, PvP.

Run PvP - Get AP for playing the game - Sell AP for money

Run Maelstrom Arena - Get BoP drops - Lose money for playing the game

I dont neccasarily want to gain money I just want something

Ok guys I'm only trying to help here, I have been running in orsinium and IC and have no problems making gold. But if you guys think it's too hard to make gold then yeah game too hard increase drops and nerf everything please!

Think I'll bow out of this thread now.

Sausage wrote: »

I make 50-100k per day by selling new vr15-16 mats.

do they pay you well in your Chinese sweatshop?

willymchilybily wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Not everyone just those that don't usually Alchemy with their collected Reagents lol

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Do you Alchemy bro? I do!

Joe you are on PS4 so don't even have access to the arena yet (like myself). So you are not talking from first hand experience and hence cant possibly know the actual cost of completing Arena. The fact you are even commenting on this thread makes me wonder "do you even maelstrom bro?"

In truth, I've noticed he just comments on everything. Like *everything* so I would just take it like he's just trying to take part and leave it at that.

skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »

50k per run ?

I hardly spend 5k....

Maybe you should reconsider your build or whatsoever, because it's ridiculous in this form.

if you're looking for highscores, it would be stupid to miss out on your major spelldamage buff.
if you're not a sorc, there is only entropy and using that skill will cost you some time as well.
if you want to have constant uptime on a crafted pot that includes spelldamage, you're looking at well over 100pots in a perfect run and over 200 in anverage one. Add some repairt costs and you're not far off.

now let's say you are struggeling to beat the arena and therefore wanto to fully optimize (also take pots all the time) but take much longer and ahve higher repairt bills. my very first run took me over 300pots and many full repairs. i think i was over 50k costs in that one

right now, if i just want to farm for weapons, i can do it very cheaply. especially playing my sorc, costs are close to zero. but if i wanted (i know why this is not the case) to compete for top spots on my templar, thing would be expensive.