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✭✭✭willymchilybily wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Not everyone just those that don't usually Alchemy with their collected Reagents lolUltimaJoe777 wrote: »Do you Alchemy bro? I do!
Joe you are on PS4 so don't even have access to the arena yet (like myself). So you are not talking from first hand experience and hence cant possibly know the actual cost of completing Arena. The fact you are even commenting on this thread makes me wonder "do you even maelstrom bro?"
In truth, I've noticed he just comments on everything. Like *everything* so I would just take it like he's just trying to take part and leave it at that.
My comments are not specified toward MSA but this thread's general topic which is spending gold to stock up on supplies when going into any dungeon or arena or whatnot and not being able to go in because you don't have the gold to stock up. I suppose it is not entirely false to say I am simply "taking part" but that is not the only reason I comment lol
Also my comments regarding the topic have been that you don't have to spend gold to complete anything let alone MSA and it is a choice that player makes to do so, so my tidbits are not without merit simply because, as willy put it, I don't maelstrom (yet).Edited by UltimaJoe777 on November 11, 2015 2:28PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Rust_in_Peace✭✭✭✭✭I don't think anyone understands why the VMA and trial gear is BoP.
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General topic is in the title not any dungeon, this thread is about MaelstromUltimaJoe777 wrote: »willymchilybily wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Not everyone just those that don't usually Alchemy with their collected Reagents lolUltimaJoe777 wrote: »Do you Alchemy bro? I do!
Joe you are on PS4 so don't even have access to the arena yet (like myself). So you are not talking from first hand experience and hence cant possibly know the actual cost of completing Arena. The fact you are even commenting on this thread makes me wonder "do you even maelstrom bro?"
In truth, I've noticed he just comments on everything. Like *everything* so I would just take it like he's just trying to take part and leave it at that.
My comments are not specified toward MSA but this thread's general topic which is spending gold to stock up on supplies when going into any dungeon or arena or whatnot and not being able to go in because you don't have the gold to stock up. I suppose it is not entirely false to say I am simply "taking part" but that is not the only reason I comment lol
Also my comments regarding the topic have been that you don't have to spend gold to complete anything let alone MSA and it is a choice that player makes to do so, so my tidbits are not without merit simply because, as willy put it, I don't maelstrom (yet).
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General topic is in the title not any dungeon, this thread is about MaelstromUltimaJoe777 wrote: »willymchilybily wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Not everyone just those that don't usually Alchemy with their collected Reagents lolUltimaJoe777 wrote: »Do you Alchemy bro? I do!
Joe you are on PS4 so don't even have access to the arena yet (like myself). So you are not talking from first hand experience and hence cant possibly know the actual cost of completing Arena. The fact you are even commenting on this thread makes me wonder "do you even maelstrom bro?"
In truth, I've noticed he just comments on everything. Like *everything* so I would just take it like he's just trying to take part and leave it at that.
My comments are not specified toward MSA but this thread's general topic which is spending gold to stock up on supplies when going into any dungeon or arena or whatnot and not being able to go in because you don't have the gold to stock up. I suppose it is not entirely false to say I am simply "taking part" but that is not the only reason I comment lol
Also my comments regarding the topic have been that you don't have to spend gold to complete anything let alone MSA and it is a choice that player makes to do so, so my tidbits are not without merit simply because, as willy put it, I don't maelstrom (yet).
I understand this topic is directed at Maelstrom but at the same time can you honestly say this very topic does not arise regarding DSA or Trials or anything similar? Either way though my comments thus far are not hindered by the fact I am a console player without access to MSA yet as was commented by willy.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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No because VDSA and Trials drops BoE gear. Dungeons never drop BoE gear it's always been BoP.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
General topic is in the title not any dungeon, this thread is about MaelstromUltimaJoe777 wrote: »willymchilybily wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Not everyone just those that don't usually Alchemy with their collected Reagents lolUltimaJoe777 wrote: »Do you Alchemy bro? I do!
Joe you are on PS4 so don't even have access to the arena yet (like myself). So you are not talking from first hand experience and hence cant possibly know the actual cost of completing Arena. The fact you are even commenting on this thread makes me wonder "do you even maelstrom bro?"
In truth, I've noticed he just comments on everything. Like *everything* so I would just take it like he's just trying to take part and leave it at that.
My comments are not specified toward MSA but this thread's general topic which is spending gold to stock up on supplies when going into any dungeon or arena or whatnot and not being able to go in because you don't have the gold to stock up. I suppose it is not entirely false to say I am simply "taking part" but that is not the only reason I comment lol
Also my comments regarding the topic have been that you don't have to spend gold to complete anything let alone MSA and it is a choice that player makes to do so, so my tidbits are not without merit simply because, as willy put it, I don't maelstrom (yet).
I understand this topic is directed at Maelstrom but at the same time can you honestly say this very topic does not arise regarding DSA or Trials or anything similar? Either way though my comments thus far are not hindered by the fact I am a console player without access to MSA yet as was commented by willy.
The only comparison I make is to have VMA follow the same design as VDSA because it was very healthy
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No because VDSA and Trials drops BoE gear. Dungeons never drop BoE gear it's always been BoP.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
General topic is in the title not any dungeon, this thread is about MaelstromUltimaJoe777 wrote: »willymchilybily wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Not everyone just those that don't usually Alchemy with their collected Reagents lolUltimaJoe777 wrote: »Do you Alchemy bro? I do!
Joe you are on PS4 so don't even have access to the arena yet (like myself). So you are not talking from first hand experience and hence cant possibly know the actual cost of completing Arena. The fact you are even commenting on this thread makes me wonder "do you even maelstrom bro?"
In truth, I've noticed he just comments on everything. Like *everything* so I would just take it like he's just trying to take part and leave it at that.
My comments are not specified toward MSA but this thread's general topic which is spending gold to stock up on supplies when going into any dungeon or arena or whatnot and not being able to go in because you don't have the gold to stock up. I suppose it is not entirely false to say I am simply "taking part" but that is not the only reason I comment lol
Also my comments regarding the topic have been that you don't have to spend gold to complete anything let alone MSA and it is a choice that player makes to do so, so my tidbits are not without merit simply because, as willy put it, I don't maelstrom (yet).
I understand this topic is directed at Maelstrom but at the same time can you honestly say this very topic does not arise regarding DSA or Trials or anything similar? Either way though my comments thus far are not hindered by the fact I am a console player without access to MSA yet as was commented by willy.
The only comparison I make is to have VMA follow the same design as VDSA because it was very healthy
Trials and vDSA were added to the game during the subscription era. Things have changed, if you want gear now; buy the DLC. It sucks, but that's how the B2P business works. To be honest, I was shocked Willpower, Endurance, and Agility sets were BoE when Imperial City was released same with the Tel'var boxes.
I'm a pvp player in this game and would much rather Maelstrom Weapons be available via PvP leaderboards like Master weapons used to be available. However, I recognize the game has changed and am learning this new arena day by day, which I'd rather be in Cyrodiil. Just like if you want gold you might have to go harvest V15-16 crafting materials and sell them in a guild store.
Sorry, but that's what we face now.
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Mordred101✭✭✭A lot of good points have been made here, and I don't disagree with much. But just an idea ... If you need/want to learn VMA without burning gold on potions and repairs, can't you just log into the PTS with a template character? They give you around 5,000 crowns and everything in the Crown Store is 1 gold. That means you can stock up on Crown food, Crown potions and Crown repair kits. Then once you're comfortable with the content you can actually play it on Live.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I made a big thread long ago and I am too lazy to hunt it down. But my idea was "Bind on Achievement". Some pieces of gear would require you to have an achievement unlocked before you could equip it. So it would show as red in a listing, just like a piece of VR16 gear would show as red if you are VR1. Whether it is completing the Wrothgar main quest, getting the Stormproof title from completing vMSA, getting the White-Gold Tower hard mode achievement, or whatever. This solves two problems:
1). You still have to "earn" the gear by getting these achievements in the first place. This seems to be a concern among some players. That any sense of accomplishment is lost if everything is up for sale.
2). If gear that drops in DLC is tied to achievements from that DLC, you avoid players acquiring top-quality gear without buying the DLC. This seems to be a concern to ZOS.
So you expand the in-game economy, continue to provide an incentive for all players to earn achievements and tackle content, without blowing up ZOS' B2P business model that requires people to buy DLC if they want the latest and greatest shiny objects.0 -
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✭This post is ridiculous. It's pretty much the equivalent of the 1% complaining that they have to pay a $1000 fee every year to live in their $5 million mansions.
Spending 50k on pots each run sounds like a personal problem. You seriously do not need to be doing this. This is the same as PVP- a ton of players chug tripots on cooldown, but a lot of players use the cheap pots or none at all. You don't have to be chugging pots to be successful. Use them when appropriate.1 -
Kas✭✭✭✭✭s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »This post is ridiculous. It's pretty much the equivalent of the 1% complaining that they have to pay a $1000 fee every year to live in their $5 million mansions.
Spending 50k on pots each run sounds like a personal problem. You seriously do not need to be doing this. This is the same as PVP- a ton of players chug tripots on cooldown, but a lot of players use the cheap pots or none at all. You don't have to be chugging pots to be successful. Use them when appropriate.
if you want #1, you have to drink them permanently. but that aside, pots just make the problem more obvious but it's also there if you don't drink any:
with repcosts, cp cap and zero selleable loot, anything else than insane rng luck for the mweapon you wanted, means hours of successfully playing the hardest content put you and your character in a WORSE spot than you have been in before. this was never the case (until trial loot became obsolete and look what happend to the motivation to do trials): aa/hrc let you sell warlock/sun/etc stuff. so let you sell viper/skirmisher/etc stuff, dsa let you sell healer/footman/(okay, no real etc with the other two ^^).
If you went in for a primary goal (a score, a master weapon, a parituclar drop) and had no luck, you would - at least on average - at least get something still useful. that's what made those tasks somewhat fun and were the only reason i left pvp.
while pots make the spot significantly worse, even stagnation (0 pots, 0 deaths, some xp repcosts convered by the minimal rewards) is bad and does not make players enjoy msa.
even more importantly, eventuelly people will have their mweapons (and most don't even need one for their usual builds anyway) so the whole, albeit awesome, arena is nothing but a waste of time in terms of rewards.
this has also nothing to do with making you buy the dlc. you need either dlc to efficiently get v15-16 mats etc. those are tradeable anyway.
it is just the continuation of the pattern that killed trials (except for the few that want to play for #1) - no useful reward.
mmo's, rpg's - they're both abotu progression. most of the player base enjoys that. if you take it away entirely from content, you make that content much, much less appealingEdited by Kas on November 11, 2015 5:42PM@bbu - AD/EU
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✭✭✭Keep it up everyone.Rest in Peace:
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This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
skillastat✭✭✭✭skillastatb16_ESO wrote: »50k per run ?
I hardly spend 5k....
Maybe you should reconsider your build or whatsoever, because it's ridiculous in this form.
if you're looking for highscores, it would be stupid to miss out on your major spelldamage buff.
if you're not a sorc, there is only entropy and using that skill will cost you some time as well.
if you want to have constant uptime on a crafted pot that includes spelldamage, you're looking at well over 100pots in a perfect run and over 200 in anverage one. Add some repairt costs and you're not far off.
now let's say you are struggeling to beat the arena and therefore wanto to fully optimize (also take pots all the time) but take much longer and ahve higher repairt bills. my very first run took me over 300pots and many full repairs. i think i was over 50k costs in that one
right now, if i just want to farm for weapons, i can do it very cheaply. especially playing my sorc, costs are close to zero. but if i wanted (i know why this is not the case) to compete for top spots on my templar, thing would be expensive.
I got 290k score, sorc. Best run was 2h09 min - 15 deaths. I use normal magicka potion until last boss then I use a little amount of tripots to finish it. That's it.
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✭✭✭✭✭The repair bills are real. Also, glad I had a stock pile of soul gems. Perhaps the creepy looking merchant in the arena could give us a repair discount? Might help a bit.
The OP does have a point. 95% of the player base will never be able to complete this content without it acting as a huge gold sink. On my "mechanics learning day" I definitely dropped a stack of tri pots, a few hundred soul gems and and prob 30k in repairs. Now I am guessing I will never do that again (god I hope i learned something), but the gold sink does factor into the equation every time I think about making an arena run.2 -
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✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
95% of the player base will never be able to complete this content .....
I think that part of your statement is true as well.Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
95% of the player base will never be able to complete this content .....
I think that part of your statement is true as well.
LT, if anyone can tank the entire arena, it's you buddy. 0 -
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✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
95% of the player base will never be able to complete this content .....
I think that part of your statement is true as well.
LT, if anyone can tank the entire arena, it's you buddy.
I'm just a little surprised that players are having such a hard time affording this arena. I hope that you all get what you want and I will keep supporting you all in this thread, but I think in getting a cheaper arena the game will be further casualized.
Rest in Peace:
The Dragonknight
2014-2025
This commemoration is for the class that has constantly been plundered and dismantled by designers for no obvious reason while other classes continue to have coherent skill lines and feel both powerful and cool.0 -
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »willymchilybily wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Not everyone just those that don't usually Alchemy with their collected Reagents lolUltimaJoe777 wrote: »Do you Alchemy bro? I do!
Joe you are on PS4 so don't even have access to the arena yet (like myself). So you are not talking from first hand experience and hence cant possibly know the actual cost of completing Arena. The fact you are even commenting on this thread makes me wonder "do you even maelstrom bro?"
In truth, I've noticed he just comments on everything. Like *everything* so I would just take it like he's just trying to take part and leave it at that.
My comments are not specified toward MSA but this thread's general topic which is spending gold to stock up on supplies when going into any dungeon or arena or whatnot and not being able to go in because you don't have the gold to stock up. I suppose it is not entirely false to say I am simply "taking part" but that is not the only reason I comment lol
Also my comments regarding the topic have been that you don't have to spend gold to complete anything let alone MSA and it is a choice that player makes to do so, so my tidbits are not without merit simply because, as willy put it, I don't maelstrom (yet).
My point was just that you comment on most everything. Even if you literally don't know anything about it, or weren't there when it happened, or whatever.
I don't mean anything snarky by it.
You just comment a lot and sometimes what you say is flat out incorrect.
I cannot recall now which times those were, and really CBA to dig them up - because who really cares?
I am just saying you're pretty chatty and often have something to add even when it's something you haven't done or weren't around for, etc. Member of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
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✭Make the arena like Cyro where gear doesn't get trashed. Bring back empty soul gem filling on Cyro dummies as well.Edited by SneaK on November 11, 2015 8:34PM"IMO"Aldmeri Dominion1 Nightblade - 1 Templar - 7 Hybrid Mutt Abominations0 -
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As of today I have the gear I wanted from Maelstrom with the proper traits, which means there is no longer a reason for me to do it. I'll probably keep doing it because I actually like it, but the point is that BoE makes things replayable. It's bad design to create content that is not replayable. Content should have incentives that keep you doing it after you get everything you personally need out of it. Reconsider your stance on this.
A couple of ways you can do this, while restraining the amount of Maelstrom gear that gets injected into the economy:
1. Make the stuff from round 8 and 9(minus the Maelstrom weapons) BoE
A. Alternatively make the stuff from round 8 and 9(minus the weapons) have a small chance to drop BoE.
2. Make certain items like the rings/amulets BoE.
3. Make the Maelstrom Arena quest drop a single BoE item per run.
4. Give the top 15% of weekly times an additional BoE item.
5. If you are worried about people that haven't purchased the DLC getting the gear, make Maelstrom gear only wearable by people that have completed the arena or own the content(I personally don't like this option, but it is better than the current BoP situation.)Edited by timidobserver on November 11, 2015 10:19PMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »@ZOS_RichLambert
As of today I have the gear I wanted from Maelstrom with the proper traits, which means there is no longer a reason for me to do it. I'll probably keep doing it because I actually like it, but the point is that BoE makes things replayable. It's bad design to create content that is not replayable.
Ever considered that BoP gear makes the content "not worth replaying" for you but "worth playing" for every one else ? Sure, we'll have to wait for nerfs and that's okay, but if we already have the stuff because we bought it from you, there will be less incentive for the rest of us to do it. (And yes, we're more people than you. Being a minority is part of being "elite", live with it and stop looking at things with your own self-centered vision please....)
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✭This is a problem as the OP mentioned. I been making some money on potions due the high demand. However, I won't make any money if my buyers are dry on coin. Surely those drops could be BOE. My only interest in VMA is the achievements since I'm a completionist. No way in hell I'd farm it even if it's easy and quick, just because I enjoy crafting and RP more. So the guys who enjoy running PVE should be able to get something that they can sell in order to maintain their expenses. I don't expect end game PVErs to go harvest plants if they don't enjoy it. I'd also feel terrible if I was forced to PVE in order to craft. C'mon ZOS! Please both the people who are running the arenas and the crafters who will have access to rich customers!0 -
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✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »@ZOS_RichLambert
As of today I have the gear I wanted from Maelstrom with the proper traits, which means there is no longer a reason for me to do it. I'll probably keep doing it because I actually like it, but the point is that BoE makes things replayable. It's bad design to create content that is not replayable.
Ever considered that BoP gear makes the content "not worth replaying" for you but "worth playing" for every one else ? Sure, we'll have to wait for nerfs and that's okay, but if we already have the stuff because we bought it from you, there will be less incentive for the rest of us to do it. (And yes, we're more people than you. Being a minority is part of being "elite", live with it and stop looking at things with your own self-centered vision please....)
The BoE armor and BoP master weapons system worked out very well with Vet DSA. People continued to run it regularly well after maxing out their needs, even though many of the sets could be purchased. I definitely considered the perspective that you laid out, which is why each of my options is formulated from the perspective of limiting the amount of BoE stuff that goes into the economy. One of the options was to only make certain items(maybe only the jewelry) BoE. The idea here is not to push something centered around me, but to include everyone. Some stuff remains BoP for people like you and some stuff is BoE for people like me. Everybody wins?V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Starshadw✭✭✭✭Think I'll bow out of this thread now.
That's probably wise, since you've not actually offered anything helpful. You've simply said "I can do such-and-such" and then said "you don't know the trick." Someone who wants to be helpful would say "Hey, here's how and what I do when I need to make money" - and they actually then tell people the how and the what. Otherwise? Your comment about how you make so much money is unhelpful.0 -
Daveheart✭✭✭✭I think the cost is steep, but money is pretty easy to come by now, I'm lazy and only farm for cash when I need to (I'd rather be doing something fun) but by spending 2 - 3 hours farming certain things you can make 200k gold, it's a pain but it's not that hard.
What are you farming? I iamgine I could get ~60K tops with three hours
What are you farming ?? Mats especially silk sell really well quite easy really.
ESO economy is in a way like most things in ESO, effort is rewarding and personal skill is the best skill you can have (Sorry, no guides or addons for that).
Traders are great, but just like a merchant in a "real" Tamriel, who using his skills and knowledge for business. Players in tamriel can do just that. Anything sells, or can be purchased. Know the market and find what items YOU can get, which sells for a nice profit.
I'll give a free tip and many sellers will hate me. In Cyro, anyone can buy the new Akvari (spelling) motif for alliance points. 100k, 250k and 500k. All the motifs are there, and not bound.
Sold a 250k AP motif for 150k gold and got a buyer for a 500k Motif for 300k gold.
That's one of million ways to get gold.
The beauty with ESO economy is that everyone can make good gold in their own way of playing. The trick is to find out what.
The only play style in ESO that is not rewarding gold, is "No effort".
That last sentence is the whole point of this thread. Running the Maelstrom Arena is 100% unrewarding in terms of gold. If someone only has 1.5 hours to play, and they want to run Maelstrom, they are losing out on gold.Arena drops has always been the same. Master weapons, bound high end sets and bind on equip set items drops there. Arena even drops all the new bind on equip sets that came with Orsinium.Why are you quoting me, I'm barely speaking for myself. For example run Maelstrom tell me how many times you die before you complete it and how much total gold you spend on repairs vs how much you get from looting the chests.
Do I want the gear? No I don't, don't need any of it. Does someone else want it who has 0 chance of getting it? Probably. Can I sell it to them, no I can't.
Can I sell any gear that is useful and requires content to do it no grinding? No I can't, not for the past 4 months. Imperial City requires grinding fyi.
Gold sinks are fine, but we already had a gold sink with White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, Dungeons are known as gold sinks in ESO considering you can't trade any dungeons sets and they brought in great sets with the new dungeons.
Arena has never been a gold sink, you could always sell the gear apart from Master Weapons. ESO already has established gold sinks that work, so I don't see an issue making the new gear from Arena BoE apart from Master Weapons.
Greetings.
I am quoting you to ask about your concerns, since I did not understand them.
Your reply here made me more confused.Do I want the gear? No I don't, don't need any of it. Does someone else want it who has 0 chance of getting it? Probably. Can I sell it to them, no I can't.
Master weapons and the new Maelstrom weapons have always been bound to the person who gets it.
Is your concern for a lesser playerbase really about being able to sell rare, unique rewards that you get because you are among the best players?
Please elaborate. How would flooding the market with Master weapons, so everyone had them, and by doing so, make most other weapons useless, increase the player base? Not a single MMO that gives everything to everyone, keeps that short increase of players longer then weeks.....Even WoW, which are the kings in all to everyone for no effort, looses millions players between their expansions.Gold sinks are fine, but we already had a gold sink with White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, Dungeons are known as gold sinks in ESO considering you can't trade any dungeons sets and they brought in great sets with the new dungeons.
Is it gold sinks that is a problem? Bag space and bank space are gold sinks. Not dungeons. Where did you get that from?
Who told you that you can not trade and sell sets that drops in dungeons? Dungeons drops all the sets in the game (apart from event specific rewards), which all are bind on equip.
Dungeons also has a chance of dropping the best sets in the game, which are bound to you. The chance is relative to the value of the item, but this gives all players a chance for these priceless rewards even if they have yet to beat the hardest encounters.
I still don't understand what it is you want ZoS to change?Arena has never been a gold sink, you could always sell the gear apart from Master Weapons. ESO already has established gold sinks that work, so I don't see an issue making the new gear from Arena BoE apart from Master Weapons.
The arena costs far more gold and takes way longer to defeat, then Maelstrom.
It takes more then just a few evenings for a team before they MIGHT defeated this event.
Arena isn't a gold sink and never was. It is the same as Maelstrom Arena.
The best of the best takes on and wins in the Maelstrom. But just like Dragonstar, players can use valuable tools and powers to assist them. The gold cost is up to the player......
I have to ask,
do you want all gear to be bound on equip, so you can sell the best items for lots of gold?
This might be a stupid question, but I really don't understand what you want ZoS to fix?
He quite simply wants a BoE/BoP system similar to what veteran DSA had. The Maelstrom/Master Weapons would still be BoP, and the rest of the gear would be BoE. The weapons themselves have been the biggest incentive to run the content, and you still wouldn't be able to sell those.Personofsecrets wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
95% of the player base will never be able to complete this content .....
I think that part of your statement is true as well.
LT, if anyone can tank the entire arena, it's you buddy.
I'm just a little surprised that players are having such a hard time affording this arena. I hope that you all get what you want and I will keep supporting you all in this thread, but I think in getting a cheaper arena the game will be further casualized.
PoS, in what way would making the Arena a more financially viable option for gameplay make it more casual? Does requiring spending a lot of time outside of it to farm for gold or pots really do anything to make it more "hardcore" or whatever?anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »@ZOS_RichLambert
As of today I have the gear I wanted from Maelstrom with the proper traits, which means there is no longer a reason for me to do it. I'll probably keep doing it because I actually like it, but the point is that BoE makes things replayable. It's bad design to create content that is not replayable.
Ever considered that BoP gear makes the content "not worth replaying" for you but "worth playing" for every one else ? Sure, we'll have to wait for nerfs and that's okay, but if we already have the stuff because we bought it from you, there will be less incentive for the rest of us to do it. (And yes, we're more people than you. Being a minority is part of being "elite", live with it and stop looking at things with your own self-centered vision please....)
You always sound so angry or bitter. Are you okay?Edited by Daveheart on November 12, 2015 5:04PMDaggerfall Covenant (PC-NA)
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Islyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think the cost is steep, but money is pretty easy to come by now, I'm lazy and only farm for cash when I need to (I'd rather be doing something fun) but by spending 2 - 3 hours farming certain things you can make 200k gold, it's a pain but it's not that hard.
What are you farming? I iamgine I could get ~60K tops with three hours
What are you farming ?? Mats especially silk sell really well quite easy really.
ESO economy is in a way like most things in ESO, effort is rewarding and personal skill is the best skill you can have (Sorry, no guides or addons for that).
Traders are great, but just like a merchant in a "real" Tamriel, who using his skills and knowledge for business. Players in tamriel can do just that. Anything sells, or can be purchased. Know the market and find what items YOU can get, which sells for a nice profit.
I'll give a free tip and many sellers will hate me. In Cyro, anyone can buy the new Akvari (spelling) motif for alliance points. 100k, 250k and 500k. All the motifs are there, and not bound.
Sold a 250k AP motif for 150k gold and got a buyer for a 500k Motif for 300k gold.
That's one of million ways to get gold.
The beauty with ESO economy is that everyone can make good gold in their own way of playing. The trick is to find out what.
The only play style in ESO that is not rewarding gold, is "No effort".
That last sentence is the whole point of this thread. Running the Maelstrom Arena is 100% unrewarding in terms of gold. If someone only has 1.5 hours to play, and they want to run Maelstrom, they are losing out on gold.Arena drops has always been the same. Master weapons, bound high end sets and bind on equip set items drops there. Arena even drops all the new bind on equip sets that came with Orsinium.Why are you quoting me, I'm barely speaking for myself. For example run Maelstrom tell me how many times you die before you complete it and how much total gold you spend on repairs vs how much you get from looting the chests.
Do I want the gear? No I don't, don't need any of it. Does someone else want it who has 0 chance of getting it? Probably. Can I sell it to them, no I can't.
Can I sell any gear that is useful and requires content to do it no grinding? No I can't, not for the past 4 months. Imperial City requires grinding fyi.
Gold sinks are fine, but we already had a gold sink with White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, Dungeons are known as gold sinks in ESO considering you can't trade any dungeons sets and they brought in great sets with the new dungeons.
Arena has never been a gold sink, you could always sell the gear apart from Master Weapons. ESO already has established gold sinks that work, so I don't see an issue making the new gear from Arena BoE apart from Master Weapons.
Greetings.
I am quoting you to ask about your concerns, since I did not understand them.
Your reply here made me more confused.Do I want the gear? No I don't, don't need any of it. Does someone else want it who has 0 chance of getting it? Probably. Can I sell it to them, no I can't.
Master weapons and the new Maelstrom weapons have always been bound to the person who gets it.
Is your concern for a lesser playerbase really about being able to sell rare, unique rewards that you get because you are among the best players?
Please elaborate. How would flooding the market with Master weapons, so everyone had them, and by doing so, make most other weapons useless, increase the player base? Not a single MMO that gives everything to everyone, keeps that short increase of players longer then weeks.....Even WoW, which are the kings in all to everyone for no effort, looses millions players between their expansions.Gold sinks are fine, but we already had a gold sink with White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, Dungeons are known as gold sinks in ESO considering you can't trade any dungeons sets and they brought in great sets with the new dungeons.
Is it gold sinks that is a problem? Bag space and bank space are gold sinks. Not dungeons. Where did you get that from?
Who told you that you can not trade and sell sets that drops in dungeons? Dungeons drops all the sets in the game (apart from event specific rewards), which all are bind on equip.
Dungeons also has a chance of dropping the best sets in the game, which are bound to you. The chance is relative to the value of the item, but this gives all players a chance for these priceless rewards even if they have yet to beat the hardest encounters.
I still don't understand what it is you want ZoS to change?Arena has never been a gold sink, you could always sell the gear apart from Master Weapons. ESO already has established gold sinks that work, so I don't see an issue making the new gear from Arena BoE apart from Master Weapons.
The arena costs far more gold and takes way longer to defeat, then Maelstrom.
It takes more then just a few evenings for a team before they MIGHT defeated this event.
Arena isn't a gold sink and never was. It is the same as Maelstrom Arena.
The best of the best takes on and wins in the Maelstrom. But just like Dragonstar, players can use valuable tools and powers to assist them. The gold cost is up to the player......
I have to ask,
do you want all gear to be bound on equip, so you can sell the best items for lots of gold?
This might be a stupid question, but I really don't understand what you want ZoS to fix?
He quite simply wants a BoE/BoP system similar to what veteran DSA had. The Maelstrom/Master Weapons would still be BoP, and the rest of the gear would be BoE. The weapons themselves have been the biggest incentive to run the content, and you still wouldn't be able to sell those.Personofsecrets wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
95% of the player base will never be able to complete this content .....
I think that part of your statement is true as well.
LT, if anyone can tank the entire arena, it's you buddy.
I'm just a little surprised that players are having such a hard time affording this arena. I hope that you all get what you want and I will keep supporting you all in this thread, but I think in getting a cheaper arena the game will be further casualized.
PoS, in what way would making the Arena a more financially viable option for gameplay make it more casual? Does requiring spending a lot of time outside of it to farm for gold or pots really do anything to make it more "hardcore" or whatever?anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »@ZOS_RichLambert
As of today I have the gear I wanted from Maelstrom with the proper traits, which means there is no longer a reason for me to do it. I'll probably keep doing it because I actually like it, but the point is that BoE makes things replayable. It's bad design to create content that is not replayable.
Ever considered that BoP gear makes the content "not worth replaying" for you but "worth playing" for every one else ? Sure, we'll have to wait for nerfs and that's okay, but if we already have the stuff because we bought it from you, there will be less incentive for the rest of us to do it. (And yes, we're more people than you. Being a minority is part of being "elite", live with it and stop looking at things with your own self-centered vision please....)
You always sound so angry or bitter. Are you okay?
Sometimes people who are to the point and say what they mean without beating around the bush can come across as angry or bitter (or whatever) - I get this from time to time too because my posts aren't covered in sparkly rainbow unicorn turds, but I'm not anything other than forthright.
I believe the same is true for her/him.
Correct me if I am wrong?Member of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
Starshadw✭✭✭✭That last sentence is the whole point of this thread. Running the Maelstrom Arena is 100% unrewarding in terms of gold. If someone only has 1.5 hours to play, and they want to run Maelstrom, they are losing out on gold.
Except that not every moment spent in-game is intended, nor should it, be money-making. The idea is - you spend money, you go out and make some more. You spend some, you make some. Not that any time you do anything at all in the game, you should be making money.
That said, a reduction in repair costs on from the merchant inside the arena itself on vet mode would not be amiss. I don't believe the cost factor to run the arena should be erased - a player should have to choose between buying or crafting, between spending money and making money. The arena should not be a huge money-maker, in my opinion.
I doubt I'll ever run the thing fully - I went through the first wave and found it tedious and actually elected to zone out and abandon the quest. I hate leaving quests undone, so thought "OK, I'll just switch to normal and plow through it" and I thinkj it was round 8? Somewhere in there, I realized I was simply not having fun, despite the mobs dying quickly. Running around in circles endlessly is just not something that appeals to me. So I dropped it again, and I've no plans to go back.
During the above I did notice that, between the gold from the chest, and selling the dropped items from the chest I didn't want, I made enough to partially cover the cost of repairs. But then, I make my own pots, so I'm not forking over 15-20k for a stack of pots, plus however much food costs.
For those finding this cost-prohibitive, I'd suggest that it's not so much the repairs that are emptying your wallets, but the pots/food - and there's a solution to that. Craft your own pots. Alchemy and Provisioning are ridiculously easy to level up. Then, you're out only the cost to repair - which is far less, even if it's costing you 2k per arena zone. In addition, you can get the grand repair kits as rewards in crafting writs - which could help with repair costs at least a little. You can also buy the repair kits on numerous vendors for 140 gold - I don't know if anyone has done the math to ascertain whether it's cheaper to buy the repair kits, or just do the repairs at a merchant?. (I confess to being both baffled and amused by people who actually buy repair kits for more than that from players - why would anyone choose to give players 175-200 gold per repair kit when they can walk to a merchant and buy them cheaper?)0 -
kuscoe✭✭✭I think the cost is steep, but money is pretty easy to come by now, I'm lazy and only farm for cash when I need to (I'd rather be doing something fun) but by spending 2 - 3 hours farming certain things you can make 200k gold, it's a pain but it's not that hard.
What are you farming? I iamgine I could get ~60K tops with three hours
What are you farming ?? Mats especially silk sell really well quite easy really.
ESO economy is in a way like most things in ESO, effort is rewarding and personal skill is the best skill you can have (Sorry, no guides or addons for that).
Traders are great, but just like a merchant in a "real" Tamriel, who using his skills and knowledge for business. Players in tamriel can do just that. Anything sells, or can be purchased. Know the market and find what items YOU can get, which sells for a nice profit.
I'll give a free tip and many sellers will hate me. In Cyro, anyone can buy the new Akvari (spelling) motif for alliance points. 100k, 250k and 500k. All the motifs are there, and not bound.
Sold a 250k AP motif for 150k gold and got a buyer for a 500k Motif for 300k gold.
That's one of million ways to get gold.
The beauty with ESO economy is that everyone can make good gold in their own way of playing. The trick is to find out what.
The only play style in ESO that is not rewarding gold, is "No effort".
That last sentence is the whole point of this thread. Running the Maelstrom Arena is 100% unrewarding in terms of gold. If someone only has 1.5 hours to play, and they want to run Maelstrom, they are losing out on gold.Arena drops has always been the same. Master weapons, bound high end sets and bind on equip set items drops there. Arena even drops all the new bind on equip sets that came with Orsinium.Why are you quoting me, I'm barely speaking for myself. For example run Maelstrom tell me how many times you die before you complete it and how much total gold you spend on repairs vs how much you get from looting the chests.
Do I want the gear? No I don't, don't need any of it. Does someone else want it who has 0 chance of getting it? Probably. Can I sell it to them, no I can't.
Can I sell any gear that is useful and requires content to do it no grinding? No I can't, not for the past 4 months. Imperial City requires grinding fyi.
Gold sinks are fine, but we already had a gold sink with White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, Dungeons are known as gold sinks in ESO considering you can't trade any dungeons sets and they brought in great sets with the new dungeons.
Arena has never been a gold sink, you could always sell the gear apart from Master Weapons. ESO already has established gold sinks that work, so I don't see an issue making the new gear from Arena BoE apart from Master Weapons.
Greetings.
I am quoting you to ask about your concerns, since I did not understand them.
Your reply here made me more confused.Do I want the gear? No I don't, don't need any of it. Does someone else want it who has 0 chance of getting it? Probably. Can I sell it to them, no I can't.
Master weapons and the new Maelstrom weapons have always been bound to the person who gets it.
Is your concern for a lesser playerbase really about being able to sell rare, unique rewards that you get because you are among the best players?
Please elaborate. How would flooding the market with Master weapons, so everyone had them, and by doing so, make most other weapons useless, increase the player base? Not a single MMO that gives everything to everyone, keeps that short increase of players longer then weeks.....Even WoW, which are the kings in all to everyone for no effort, looses millions players between their expansions.Gold sinks are fine, but we already had a gold sink with White Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison, Dungeons are known as gold sinks in ESO considering you can't trade any dungeons sets and they brought in great sets with the new dungeons.
Is it gold sinks that is a problem? Bag space and bank space are gold sinks. Not dungeons. Where did you get that from?
Who told you that you can not trade and sell sets that drops in dungeons? Dungeons drops all the sets in the game (apart from event specific rewards), which all are bind on equip.
Dungeons also has a chance of dropping the best sets in the game, which are bound to you. The chance is relative to the value of the item, but this gives all players a chance for these priceless rewards even if they have yet to beat the hardest encounters.
I still don't understand what it is you want ZoS to change?Arena has never been a gold sink, you could always sell the gear apart from Master Weapons. ESO already has established gold sinks that work, so I don't see an issue making the new gear from Arena BoE apart from Master Weapons.
The arena costs far more gold and takes way longer to defeat, then Maelstrom.
It takes more then just a few evenings for a team before they MIGHT defeated this event.
Arena isn't a gold sink and never was. It is the same as Maelstrom Arena.
The best of the best takes on and wins in the Maelstrom. But just like Dragonstar, players can use valuable tools and powers to assist them. The gold cost is up to the player......
I have to ask,
do you want all gear to be bound on equip, so you can sell the best items for lots of gold?
This might be a stupid question, but I really don't understand what you want ZoS to fix?
He quite simply wants a BoE/BoP system similar to what veteran DSA had. The Maelstrom/Master Weapons would still be BoP, and the rest of the gear would be BoE. The weapons themselves have been the biggest incentive to run the content, and you still wouldn't be able to sell those.Personofsecrets wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Personofsecrets wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
95% of the player base will never be able to complete this content .....
I think that part of your statement is true as well.
LT, if anyone can tank the entire arena, it's you buddy.
I'm just a little surprised that players are having such a hard time affording this arena. I hope that you all get what you want and I will keep supporting you all in this thread, but I think in getting a cheaper arena the game will be further casualized.
PoS, in what way would making the Arena a more financially viable option for gameplay make it more casual? Does requiring spending a lot of time outside of it to farm for gold or pots really do anything to make it more "hardcore" or whatever?anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »@ZOS_RichLambert
As of today I have the gear I wanted from Maelstrom with the proper traits, which means there is no longer a reason for me to do it. I'll probably keep doing it because I actually like it, but the point is that BoE makes things replayable. It's bad design to create content that is not replayable.
Ever considered that BoP gear makes the content "not worth replaying" for you but "worth playing" for every one else ? Sure, we'll have to wait for nerfs and that's okay, but if we already have the stuff because we bought it from you, there will be less incentive for the rest of us to do it. (And yes, we're more people than you. Being a minority is part of being "elite", live with it and stop looking at things with your own self-centered vision please....)
You always sound so angry or bitter. Are you okay?
Sometimes people who are to the point and say what they mean without beating around the bush can come across as angry or bitter (or whatever) - I get this from time to time too because my posts aren't covered in sparkly rainbow unicorn turds, but I'm not anything other than forthright.
I believe the same is true for her/him.
Correct me if I am wrong?
Exactly right I get it alot too
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You always sound so angry or bitter. Are you okay?
Sometimes people who are to the point and say what they mean without beating around the bush can come across as angry or bitter (or whatever) - I get this from time to time too because my posts aren't covered in sparkly rainbow unicorn turds, but I'm not anything other than forthright.
I believe the same is true for her/him.
Correct me if I am wrong?
You're correct, Islyn ;-) But in this case I tend to believe that pointing out that my posts "sound bitter, angry or whatever" is just a way of trying to discredit them without having any real argument. That's a widespread strategy.
That said, admittedly, people who throw "L2P", "do the effort" and "derserve your loot" at other people all the time, and then complain that they don't want to make the effort to farm the ingredients for their own potions to run the content and ask for more tradeable loot in order to buy their pots, those players make me feel quite... cynical.
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