Maelstrom Gold Sink

Nifty2g · November 2015

kuscoe wrote: »

another idea i had

pvp rewards get gold at the end of campaign

why dont we got gold with our weeklys?

in order to make gold in PvE you need to farm something which is really lame

if I was full time pvp'er I wouldve had more then half a mil AP (prolly somewhere around 2-3 million) when the patch dropped and would be rolling in gold from akiavari

but alas I had only saved half a mil poor poor pve scrub

._.

Here is the thing and this is what it's going to come to

ZOS are inevitably bringing back 3rd party gold selling websites, now that gold is incredibly hard to come by for the PvER unless you farm which many are against it makes players who want to do content look for gold from websites. While I'm against this and don't want the gold selling back in the game ZOS you should address the issue because it becomes a problem

anitajoneb17_ESO · November 2015

L2F ? (Learn to farm ?)

(joke apart; OP, I understand your point,just couldn't resist ;-) )

OrphanHelgen · November 2015

I agree with you. Its not worth farming, only the best of the best are able to farm this, and now you also had a good reason why money also have a huge role in this. I have a good idea of a solution in my latest post btw

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/229965/maelstrom-weapons-too-hard-to-get#latest

SeptimusDova · November 2015

Khajiit is having to reclaim all of khajiit's lost stuff and sell it to a nice orc. In order to run the arena. Very tired now this one must sleep for a bit. Tis a shame that an Honest cat must resort to a life of Bosmer blame to pay for an arena addiction.

dday3six · November 2015

I have always thought the cost repairs and repair kits were a bit too high in the first place.

Feels a bit like artifical content inflation to me. Rather than giving players a lot of content to do, they give players a few expensive activities so the rest of their time can be consumed with farming.

Flyzardi · November 2015

Every activity in this game requires trading resources for another resource.

If getting an awesome dropped set requires an an initial large investment of resources in time, potions, and repair bills, that is perfectly fine imo because all other sets require large initial investments to make.

Problem is not the cost, it's the fact that competitive rng grind content has been introduced for sets that are on par/ only marginally better combinations than gear we already have.

There is little incentive to complete this content when you're significantly better off making crafted gear exactly how you want it than trying to piece together dropped sets with random traits, it's always been that way.

willymchilybily · November 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Not everyone just those that don't usually Alchemy with their collected Reagents lol

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Do you Alchemy bro? I do!

Joe you are on PS4 so don't even have access to the arena yet (like myself). So you are not talking from first hand experience and hence cant possibly know the actual cost of completing Arena. The fact you are even commenting on this thread makes me wonder "do you even maelstrom bro?"

Paulington · November 2015

Whilst I do agree with you @Nifty2g that set items should be BoE, I am not sure how you arrive at the 50,000g per run number.

I crafted 100 VR15 tripots, that cost me ~17,000g, and a full stack lasts me four runs quite easily so that's 4,250g a run and I repair once maybe twice per run so let's call that 5,000g, even if we are rounding up that's 10,000g per run and I think that's an overestimate.

If you die a lot, it will cost a lot, but as you practice you won't die so much.

However, I must reiterate that I do agree, all the set items that drop from nMA/vMA should be BoE with only the Maelstrom Weapons BoP. I think this would necessitate a lowering of the overall drop rate for set items to stop the market flooding but I'd be fine with that.

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Xantaria · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

With the release of Orsinium being great all the new content and all the new gear, and the release of Maelstrom Arena it's been a real blast, but running Malestrom Arena costs about 50,000 gold per run this includes Potions and Repair Bills (with CP Cap you can't manage to get the reduced repair bill cost anymore either) and because of so it's restricting many players from running that content now as they can't support it due to the lack of making gold - everything being Bind on Pickup.

I know ZOS won't acknowledge the issue with the overwhelming amount of BoP for no reason behind it but if it is stopping players from running content (DLC content) then it's becoming a problem. Not sure what you guys are doing but please change your minds, this is getting pretty bad, most of the guys I play with are having trouble getting into Arena now, not only does it not drop Masters Weapons each time, the gold sink is absurd, gives a lot of resentment and feeling restricted into what content you can actually do especially when there is no guaranteed Master Weapon drop with random traits.

With an average of 50,000 gold per run and random traits you're looking at spending around 20,000,000 gold just to get the weapon you're looking for. I've personally done 5 runs and completed three times and have spent over 200,000 gold.

Please do something... @ZOS_GinaBruno

I only did one run and I died 120 times (Stamina DK with 678 Stam regen, lol) because it was the first time ever and I had to learn mechanics. I didn't use any potions so it just cost me 15k. my next run will probably have around 20 deaths and it will cost me a maximum of 3k gold? I don't see a big issue ... use less potions :')

Nifty2g · November 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

With the release of Orsinium being great all the new content and all the new gear, and the release of Maelstrom Arena it's been a real blast, but running Malestrom Arena costs about 50,000 gold per run this includes Potions and Repair Bills (with CP Cap you can't manage to get the reduced repair bill cost anymore either) and because of so it's restricting many players from running that content now as they can't support it due to the lack of making gold - everything being Bind on Pickup.

I know ZOS won't acknowledge the issue with the overwhelming amount of BoP for no reason behind it but if it is stopping players from running content (DLC content) then it's becoming a problem. Not sure what you guys are doing but please change your minds, this is getting pretty bad, most of the guys I play with are having trouble getting into Arena now, not only does it not drop Masters Weapons each time, the gold sink is absurd, gives a lot of resentment and feeling restricted into what content you can actually do especially when there is no guaranteed Master Weapon drop with random traits.

With an average of 50,000 gold per run and random traits you're looking at spending around 20,000,000 gold just to get the weapon you're looking for. I've personally done 5 runs and completed three times and have spent over 200,000 gold.

Please do something... @ZOS_GinaBruno

I only did one run and I died 120 times (Stamina DK with 678 Stam regen, lol) because it was the first time ever and I had to learn mechanics. I didn't use any potions so it just cost me 15k. my next run will probably have around 20 deaths and it will cost me a maximum of 3k gold? I don't see a big issue ... use less potions :')

I forgot the other 90% of the ESO community needs to listen to your advice.
You do realise I'm not speaking for myself, right? My first run costed quite a bit, but since then it costs me barely anything. But the vast majority of ESO players right now are spending a ton of gold on repair and potions

Eiagra · November 2015

Gold sinks in an MMO aren't a bad thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W39TtF14i8I

Many of the examples and solutions provided don't directly apply to ESO, but you can get a gist of the problem of a runaway currency and the challenge involved with finding ways to balance an MMO's economy.

StihlReign · November 2015

kuscoe wrote: »

another idea i had

pvp rewards get gold at the end of campaign

why dont we got gold with our weeklys?

in order to make gold in PvE you need to farm something which is really lame

if I was full time pvp'er I wouldve had more then half a mil AP (prolly somewhere around 2-3 million) when the patch dropped and would be rolling in gold from akiavari

but alas I had only saved half a mil poor poor pve scrub

._.

PvP gold is so low you can't even buy a piece of gear with it. It doesn't even cover the first day of potions in a campaign.

Zos is nuts....lol

kuscoe · November 2015

StihlReign wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

another idea i had

pvp rewards get gold at the end of campaign

why dont we got gold with our weeklys?

in order to make gold in PvE you need to farm something which is really lame

if I was full time pvp'er I wouldve had more then half a mil AP (prolly somewhere around 2-3 million) when the patch dropped and would be rolling in gold from akiavari

but alas I had only saved half a mil poor poor pve scrub

._.

PvP gold is so low you can't even buy a piece of gear with it. It doesn't even cover the first day of potions in a campaign.

Zos is nuts....lol

im not talking about gold, im talking about AP

Yes the gold you get from rewards can be pretty low at times, however, You also get items which means you make more gold... ontop of that fact in order to get these rewards you must earn AP... AP is worth gold in almost every other patch

Before IC AP was used to but Ravager and Cyrodils lights sets for up to 250k in the begining

And now? you have motifs you can buy with AP that sell for really decent amounts of gold

Lets take Fengrush for example since he is the only player I know with 12 million AP (Since I am not in a pvp guild and only pvp when I feel like it)

Feng has 12m AP when patch dropped I bought 1 250k Motif and sold it for 50 (a good price at the time) and 3 100k AP Motifs (20k EA again a good price) Now if I was Feng I would prolly sell like half of my AP to even out my currencys

Soo 6million AP on a more liberal side equates to about (6,000,000/100,000=60*20,000=1,200,000)

1.2 Million Gold and that is selling at prices people wouldnt pass up

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · November 2015

its not a valid point. you can do regular with no pots at all and experience the content. If your only motivation is to grind into major gear upgrades, the newest vet content in veteran is hard and requires investment to complete. what a sad story.

anitajoneb17_ESO · November 2015

In "casual" (whatever that means) guilds we help each other with potions, for free. Those who like farming provide plants for those who don't.
One if us is excellent in PvP (while the rest of us plain suck at it) and each time he became emperor we were so proud of him that we provided him with everything he needed. We were still a "team", even if we were not actually playing together in PvP.

I guess "competition" in elite guilds killed help and team spirit ?

And please, Nifty, do not speak for the "vast majority of players". You're far too far above the clouds for that.

The game is designed so that just playing its "combat part" doesn't make you rich. PvE'rs who don't farm, craft and trade are poor, too. If you don't like that and prefer VMA instead, that's fine, as a consequence, you're poor, that's ok, your choice.

You don't want "less good players" to have access to BiS gear without working hard to beat the hardest content ? Well, farmers don't want you to make gold without effort, either. Fair enough... I guess.

Lord_Wrath · November 2015

I have noticed this today, my repair bill is always larger than the gold I receive. Do people not think before they implement a reward system?

kuscoe · November 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

In "casual" (whatever that means) guilds we help each other with potions, for free. Those who like farming provide plants for those who don't.
One if us is excellent in PvP (while the rest of us plain suck at it) and each time he became emperor we were so proud of him that we provided him with everything he needed. We were still a "team", even if we were not actually playing together in PvP.

I guess "competition" in elite guilds killed help and team spirit ?

And please, Nifty, do not speak for the "vast majority of players". You're far too far above the clouds for that.

The game is designed so that just playing its "combat part" doesn't make you rich. PvE'rs who don't farm, craft and trade are poor, too. If you don't like that and prefer VMA instead, that's fine, as a consequence, you're poor, that's ok, your choice.

You don't want "less good players" to have access to BiS gear without working hard to beat the hardest content ? Well, farmers don't want you to make gold without effort, either. Fair enough... I guess.

BiS gear? where? Arena? LOL

Idk why you think Nifty wants Arena to be easier because he doesnt I think recently he said the problem with arena is buggy mechanics even if he didnt that is what most people say and the only BiS gear from arena is Maelstorm weapons which are a "challenge" to get

Nifty just wants some incentive for everyone to run Maelstorm (BoE gear drops(not maelstorm)and/or 20k prize at the end of runs) which to be completely honest is not alot at all

PvPers who PvP all the time can come by gold so much easier then PvEr's that PvE all the time (for perspective if all I did was PvP I would not have gold issues but since I hardly PvP I have gold issues)

We just want some consistent reward for doing this content because right now there isnt any, especially when over 70% of my maelstorm drops have been defending

As for the comment about your "casual" guild

My "elite" guild is always helpings its members, if anyone needs anything mats wise for example I let them take it from the guild bank (My Mats) and ive given away all my motifs I get to a certain guild member whos crafts for our guild

UltimaJoe777 · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

another idea i had

pvp rewards get gold at the end of campaign

why dont we got gold with our weeklys?

in order to make gold in PvE you need to farm something which is really lame

if I was full time pvp'er I wouldve had more then half a mil AP (prolly somewhere around 2-3 million) when the patch dropped and would be rolling in gold from akiavari

but alas I had only saved half a mil poor poor pve scrub

._.

Here is the thing and this is what it's going to come to

ZOS are inevitably bringing back 3rd party gold selling websites, now that gold is incredibly hard to come by for the PvER unless you farm which many are against it makes players who want to do content look for gold from websites. While I'm against this and don't want the gold selling back in the game ZOS you should address the issue because it becomes a problem

The player is at fault then. No game allows players to "buy" gold from a third party website because that is a security hazard to said player. Game corporations discourage this and take action towards it to protect the playerbase. The players themselves, however, should have the common sense to not attempt such transactions. Desperation often leads to disaster.

kuscoe · November 2015

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

another idea i had

pvp rewards get gold at the end of campaign

why dont we got gold with our weeklys?

in order to make gold in PvE you need to farm something which is really lame

if I was full time pvp'er I wouldve had more then half a mil AP (prolly somewhere around 2-3 million) when the patch dropped and would be rolling in gold from akiavari

but alas I had only saved half a mil poor poor pve scrub

._.

Here is the thing and this is what it's going to come to

ZOS are inevitably bringing back 3rd party gold selling websites, now that gold is incredibly hard to come by for the PvER unless you farm which many are against it makes players who want to do content look for gold from websites. While I'm against this and don't want the gold selling back in the game ZOS you should address the issue because it becomes a problem

The player is at fault then. No game allows players to "buy" gold from a third party website because that is a security hazard to said player. Game corporations discourage this and take action towards it to protect the playerbase. The players themselves, however, should have the common sense to not attempt such transactions. Desperation often leads to disaster.

There isnt as much securtiy hazard if you use a little bit of that common sense, why not pay a little bit of money for some in game gold? whats a few dollars?

UltimaJoe777 · November 2015

kuscoe wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

another idea i had

pvp rewards get gold at the end of campaign

why dont we got gold with our weeklys?

in order to make gold in PvE you need to farm something which is really lame

if I was full time pvp'er I wouldve had more then half a mil AP (prolly somewhere around 2-3 million) when the patch dropped and would be rolling in gold from akiavari

but alas I had only saved half a mil poor poor pve scrub

._.

Here is the thing and this is what it's going to come to

ZOS are inevitably bringing back 3rd party gold selling websites, now that gold is incredibly hard to come by for the PvER unless you farm which many are against it makes players who want to do content look for gold from websites. While I'm against this and don't want the gold selling back in the game ZOS you should address the issue because it becomes a problem

The player is at fault then. No game allows players to "buy" gold from a third party website because that is a security hazard to said player. Game corporations discourage this and take action towards it to protect the playerbase. The players themselves, however, should have the common sense to not attempt such transactions. Desperation often leads to disaster.

There isnt as much securtiy hazard if you use a little bit of that common sense, why not pay a little bit of money for some in game gold? whats a few dollars?

The simple fact that 1. The seller can easily take your money and run, giving you nothing and thus proving a scam and 2. They could very well hijack your information and take even more from you.

Nifty2g · November 2015

Well the only thing I think needs a damage nerf would be the flame warrior on round 8 mini boss, her banner is insane, chain inside a 15k banner lol. I think that's all that needs a "damage nerf" but I just want fixes

hrothbern · November 2015

I think it is easier to decide to buff the gold loot than change the BOP

MrGrimey · November 2015

Too bad... I made over a mil with the IC DLC

kuscoe · November 2015

MrGrimey wrote: »

Too bad... I made over a mil with the IC DLC

Not everyone has good RNG

asneakybanana · November 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Well the only thing I think needs a damage nerf would be the flame warrior on round 8 mini boss, her banner is insane, chain inside a 15k banner lol. I think that's all that needs a "damage nerf" but I just want fixes

Yea she hits like a truck. Her first hit of engulfing is like 12k, the flame pitch she throws is a 10k dot, her basic attacks are like 8k and then the banner is just stupid. Only consistent way I've found not to die is whenever she has a banner up I block until it goes away so I can't get chained in.
Edit: And on topic if I only did 1 run a week on each of my tools I would about break even. Costs me about 2k for the repair bill and then the mats from decon of the weekly are between 2 and 7k depending on what you get so that's would be worth it but going for #1 scores is definitely a gold sink of epic proportion.

Starshadw · November 2015

code65536 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Do you Alchemy bro? I do!

On PC/NA, it's cheaper in many (most?) cases to buy the crafted potions than to buy the mats to craft them yourself. It's one reason a lot of people just resort to selling the ingredients instead of potions, because there's (slightly) more gold for the former.

So the question should be, "Do you farm flowers, bro?" The answer to which likely is, "I can't if I'm spending all my time inside MSA."

Then there should be a cost associated with not taking the time to do your own resource gathering and crafting. That's how crafting remains viable. So, everyone has a choice:

1. Don't do a lot of resource gathering and/or crafting, and thus have to buy the resources/crafted items they need OR
2. Take the time to gather resources and craft.

Sorry, but I confess I don't have a lot of sympathy in this case. It's each individual player's choice. If the bills are emptying your bank, it might be time to take a break and do some gathering and crafting.

Potenza · November 2015

A lot of the trials are run continuously by people who are basically farming them to make money. Now I believe ZOS wanted Maelstrom to be a personal achievement type challenge. The people who run the trials to farm complain when they nerf them because now anyone can do them so they don't have to pay outrageous prices for the items the farmers sell them at. Now the farmers are complaining about BOP in Maelstrom because they can't sell them at outrageous prices.
So it isn't about personal achievement to the OP - its about making gold - ZOS knows this so they made it the way it is to keep it more about personal achievement.

asneakybanana · November 2015

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

A lot of the trials are run continuously by people who are basically farming them to make money. Now I believe ZOS wanted Maelstrom to be a personal achievement type challenge. The people who run the trials to farm complain when they nerf them because now anyone can do them so they don't have to pay outrageous prices for the items the farmers sell them at. Now the farmers are complaining about BOP in Maelstrom because they can't sell them at outrageous prices.
So it isn't about personal achievement to the OP - its about making gold - ZOS knows this so they made it the way it is to keep it more about personal achievement.

Personal achievement is all fine and dandy but, if you give the players no reason to farm them then what's the point of running more than once unless you're one of the 12 or so people in the world capable of competing for a #1 score. And once those 12 people get their #1 score they won't have anyone to compete against so they will stop running as well.

Even if there was a reason to farm it such as getting the maelstrom weapon you want being able to sustain gems and pots and repairs with 0 gold income from these runs will make it very hard to keep farming very fast.

Kelleton · November 2015

kuscoe wrote: »

MrGrimey wrote: »

Too bad... I made over a mil with the IC DLC

Not everyone has good RNG

Im over 4 Mill so far in the past month from IC averaging over 100k per day (with only a few horus of playtime)..has nothing to do with RNG to be honest. Has all to do with knowing which mobs to focus your farm. (Hint: its not the DC bone farm)

GnGEmpire · November 2015

Agree with OP, maelstrom is a huge gold sink and it's impossible the cover to cost of running the content.

I too can't afford going back there anymore until something is done regarding this.

It doesn't make sense for someone toto go and farm other content, just so they can have enough gold to simply play through this content.

Either make the chest drop enough gold to cover the repair bills each round, make the gear sell-able, or something..