Psychobunni wrote: »

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

There just better be enough pvp content in it, otherwise I'm going to start several forum threads QQing endlessly about pvping in a pve zone.

So backwards. If it comes with a level cap increase, new gears you can only achieve through Orsinium while being at a risk of losing your gains....then starts threads to the moon

Could not have said it better myself!!!

25 hours is a ton for a DLC and some expansions dont even offer than much.

UrQuan wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

seratin wrote: »

25 hours of content would be amazing for a single player game, but this is an mmo. You have to think long term, will this be enough to tide you over until the next dlc release? Price wise it's fine, I just worry that it will be enough until the next big zone.

There will be players that finish the content inside a week.

And there will be others that are still going strong after several months.

I could be wrong, but based on the types of things he posts @Gidorick seems to me like the type of player who takes his time and stops to smell the roses rather than rushing through things, so to me it seems likely he'll be in the "still going strong after several months" category. I think he was just pointing out that the "rush through it" crowd will, predictably, rush through it and be done with it.

Oh absolutely. I wasn't criticising his comment, just adding the other extreme perspective to his. That's the whole point, some will finish it in a week, some will take months, and most will take somewhere inbetween.

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NobleNerd wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

It's supposed to have about the same amount of content as a standard levelling zone, so somewhere like Glenumbra, Shadowfen or Greenshade. For time comparison, the 1-50 levelling experience is supposed to be "100 hours of content", so that to me sounds like there'll be a bit more to Wrothgar than a standard zone (which would come out at 20 hours).

$25.00 for the equivalent of 1 standard zone worth of content is not a great value. We spent more than that for the whole game with 10 times the zone/content. Not a good comparison there.

We could also flip that around and say that the base game should have costed more since the DLC is going to be $20. That would mean the base game should be about $200-$300.

It doesnt work the way you want it to work. The comparison has no merit.

LOL if you say so. Your point is invalid. The price for core games have already been set by the industry and developers for years. My point is valid because it has a standard value per content already established for years.

Soulshine wrote: »

NobleNerd wrote: »

Ysne58 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Ysne58 wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

Endurance wrote: »

you fail to realize how long it takes for them to create 25 hours of gameplay, just so that most of these crybabies could skip the content for more pvp and complain later

If you are under the impression that it would take them over two years to create and introduce one zone of strictly overland PvE questing that amounts to 25hours of gameplay, I'd say you are pretty far off the mark.

. Not hold my breath.

Well, in all fairness, it isn't the only thing they've been working on.

So? That is part of the business they ( and we ) are all in. Planning is not just about revenue and somebody's "analysis" of how to get there. Backpeddling over promised development goals (spell crafting? season gear? hello??), shifting mid-way through leveling systems (Champion system), and a slew of other rookie issues have plagued this game from day one. That Sage and company are gone is at this point, a good sign but who the heck knows how many cobwebs are left to clear out...

I do agree with you. ZOS still needs to do a lot of work to improve it's credibility.

That is part of my shock at such a weak presentation (yet again) for ESO. First was their almost complete lack of anything at E3 and now at their very own Quakecon they, yet again, underwhelmed us.

More worrisome is the apparent level of disinterest - or worse, ignorace - about the significance of the opportunity (in this case missed) which QuakeCon represents. There was so little passion on that stage you could fit it on a pin-head. No surprise the audience looked like it was falling asleep.

Say what we will about Sage, at least he tried to get people enthused about the game... even if he fed us BS while he was at it, but that is another topic...

Especially in light of having a new creative director to lead this march, and considering we were presented with BOTH Orisium AND IC video LAST year at QuakeCon, they should have pulled out all the stops on this and seriously AMPED their presentation by a mile. Heck even repeat footage from ESO Live 7/17 game play would have been better than slow moving silent cameras on areas already presented 12 months ago.

Honestly, after all this time, they should have had some folks up on stage playing through IC DLC stuff. Having some recorded footage of a Orsinium would have also been great. These ZOS didn't even try. I mean, I been playing mmorpg since 1999 where even back in then you'd have studios showing live demos of their future games and expansions to a cheering crowd. These studios are all about the money, but not about giving anything in return these days. ZOS has a PvP DLC coming out in about a month, and they don't try to sell it at the event. What gives with these peeps.

I'm all about not talking of that other game, that a lot of us would like to ignore. However, I'm just going to say this as my opinion, that nothing... nothing will ever, EVER, replace the kind of amazing fun, gameplay, friends, or the social life, that came about between NOV 11 2004 and till the Wrath expansion for World of Warcraft. Blizzard can't even match that today. My opinon on blizzard right now is super low. They lost it after Wrath, but let's face it, there will never be a time like that again.

I've lost all faith in mmorpgs.

I don't get the complaint OP. 20-ish dollars for 25 hours of content? thats great! Take someone to the movies you spend about that for maybe 2 hours of content and you just sit there and watch... 25 hours is so subjective too, I imagine (though could be wrong) this is 25 hours of main questing, dungeons and delves... not all the exploring, and general repeatable fun that could be had, like all other areas. Seems a darn good price if you ask me.

Quarterly game packs is fine. But they should find ways to sneak in free content between that.

Even just a grocery quest of 20 things to complete this month in exchange for a dye, costume repaint, or visual trophy. A fun little optional structured adventure you can run in any order you want, alone or with friends.

@Ethona maybe it isn't a good example, especially if you don't like movies. Its difficult to compare video games to other forms of entertainment... but that being said there are many people out there who think video games aren't worth crap either. My wife for instance doesn't understand how someone could sit and play a video game even one hour, let alone 5. Movies are just something I see as fairly common that lots of people do. Wasn't trying to offend you. But for me 25 dollars for 25 hours... still a good deal. $1/hour of entertainment does not feel like a lot of money to me.

Again, this is all subjective, as is the "25 hours", as some people will play through in much less and some people will play through in much much longer time periods. It just seems premature to me to complain about this as its content that we haven't seen yet... it would be one thing to buy, play and then say that was a waste.

I understand your opinion about hollywood being evil and movies being filled with subliminal messages (although I think grouping all movies into this category is generalizing a little too much) but there are many that would argue that the video game industry is no different, perhaps worse, or at least in bed with hollywood... the lines blur between video game and movie more and more every year. I say watch what you like, play what you like and do what you like, but perhaps try not to blast people or crap all over content that hasn't even come out yet.

jluchau wrote: »

@Ethona maybe it isn't a good example, especially if you don't like movies. Its difficult to compare video games to other forms of entertainment... but that being said there are many people out there who think video games aren't worth crap either. My wife for instance doesn't understand how someone could sit and play a video game even one hour, let alone 5. Movies are just something I see as fairly common that lots of people do. Wasn't trying to offend you. But for me 25 dollars for 25 hours... still a good deal. $1/hour of entertainment does not feel like a lot of money to me.

Again, this is all subjective, as is the "25 hours", as some people will play through in much less and some people will play through in much much longer time periods. It just seems premature to me to complain about this as its content that we haven't seen yet... it would be one thing to buy, play and then say that was a waste.

I understand your opinion about hollywood being evil and movies being filled with subliminal messages (although I think grouping all movies into this category is generalizing a little too much) but there are many that would argue that the video game industry is no different, perhaps worse, or at least in bed with hollywood... the lines blur between video game and movie more and more every year. I say watch what you like, play what you like and do what you like, but perhaps try not to blast people or crap all over content that hasn't even come out yet.

It's cool, you didn't offend me, I'm only here to add my opinions while keeping busy with other more important things (it is only a video game) haha. Stay safe out there in this ol world.

I'm really enjoying this zone. I'll probably be spending a lot more then just 25 hours in Orsinium ...

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Almost a week into the patch, and im on the last quest now. I remembered this post and wanted to bump it XD.
I have been so busy I dont even know where to start. With all dailys, collections, new writs, treasure maps, achievements, amazing quests, exploring and ofcourse arena. I would say I am close to 50 hours+ in this patch, and thats not even a lie. The first day I tried arena veteran, I started the arena 8 pm, and went to bed 5 am. That day I also started playing and questing around 10 am, so that would be 17 hours gaming non stop, just in one day.

Way to bring this back! I remember reading this thread when it popped up earlier this year. Totally agree, I'm still barely into the main quest having a total blast! This zone is absolutely fantastic!

25 Hours is fine for an MMO DLC I think. That's not including all the runs of the Arena you'll have to do.

Look at Halo 5, just came out, less than 10 hours of gameplay. Games are pretty short and lazy these days.