Orsinium - 25 hours of gameplay?!

Enodoc

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

I had hoped it would be full of soloable dailies like in Cyrodiil so solo players at last will have a place to xp that is not in a pvp zone.

This I think is a must. Without repeatable content, players won't come back to the area once they've done the story. There's currently repeatable quests for groups (Craglorn), dungeoneers (Pledges), PvPvEers (Cyrodiil), but nothing for solo players, which is sorely needed.

dennissomb16_ESO

My assumption around the 25 hours is that is an approximate game play time to complete the basic new quests etc. After that the normal repeatability of MMO kicks in, dailies, grinding, repeating new dungeons etc. 25 hours is not bad for a new zone.

King Bozo

I think it's a bargain for 2500 crowns. That is a lot better then 3000 crowns for mounts imo. I hope the dlc out sales the mount market.

Skwor

If the DLC came out every 4 to 6 weeks like they originally planned then yes 25 hours is good. With DLC coming out once every 1.3 years 25 hours is abysmal.

sekou_trayvond

Well, thank you. You helped me win a bet with my wife. I just knew this forum would have a thread with this title/complaint. And I wake up and check the forums over coffee and....voila!

Uggh. Entitled gamers. So predictable.

Now, what am I going to do with those 200 lockpicks I just won off her?

JD2013

sekou_trayvond wrote: »

Well, thank you. You helped me win a bet with my wife. I just knew this forum would have a thread with this title/complaint. And I wake up and check the forums over coffee and....voila!

Uggh. Entitled gamers. So predictable.

Now, what am I going to do with those 200 lockpicks I just won off her?

Pick all the locks in Tamriel!!

Elsonso

I think that 25 hours is a good amount of time for a DLC. Short for an expansion, but on the same order as Dawnguard and a little larger than Dragonborn.

They obviously announced this because 25 hours is a positive number to them. That probably means that it is above and beyond what they consider to be the normal amount of time for a project of this scope. I don't expect every DLC to be 25 hours.

Some of the DLC may be more like the Oblivion DLC. They tended to feature very short quests adding up to a couple of hours.

Skwor

sekou_trayvond wrote: »

Well, thank you. You helped me win a bet with my wife. I just knew this forum would have a thread with this title/complaint. And I wake up and check the forums over coffee and....voila!

Uggh. Entitled gamers. So predictable.

Now, what am I going to do with those 200 lockpicks I just won off her?

Well thank you, you helped ME win a bet, I just knew i would wake up and find on these forums someone whining about whining and viola, there is your post! Now my buddy owes me a dinner.

Uggh, faux elitist posters. So smug.

DDuke

If this content comes with a new 12-man (or even 24-man) Trial/Raid with long progression curve & good repetition value, no problem.

If it's just 25 hours of solo questing (2-3 days) & done, wait 3 months for next DLC... there's going to be a problem.

OrphanHelgen

It takes around 20 hours to finish a well made resident evil game. Just sayin

JD2013

There's a lot of $60 AAA games that have less than 25 hours of play.

Eirella

I think 25 hours is fine, I was expecting less to be honest.

Xendyn

Enodoc wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

I had hoped it would be full of soloable dailies like in Cyrodiil so solo players at last will have a place to xp that is not in a pvp zone.

This I think is a must. Without repeatable content, players won't come back to the area once they've done the story. There's currently repeatable quests for groups (Craglorn), dungeoneers (Pledges), PvPvEers (Cyrodiil), but nothing for solo players, which is sorely needed.

This^ Whether or not I buy a DLC is going to depend on how much replayability there is in it. Otherwise, I'll just sub for a month, play it and then drop sub again.

Sausage

I hope theres grind-mode too, reason to do them again.

Averya_Teira

Well, if it's 25 hours of questing, that's $1 an hour and that doesn't take in the dungeons/repeatable content in the DLC.

I'd say it's pretty cheap entertainment...

VoidBlue

Tandor wrote: »

Let's see what other leisure pursuits cost only $20 for a minimum 25 hours of entertainment. A dozen rounds of golf? A dozen trips to the cinema or theatre? I don't think so! I'd love to see some of the critics of this sort of thing turn up at the golf course, cinema or theatre and say "Just let me in already, I don't reckon to pay for my entertainment these days"! That's the state that F2P in the MMO genre has brought us to, some people feel an entitlement to get everything for nothing, and if they do have to pay a modest amount they expect a lifetime's entertainment in return although even then they insist on rushing through it in 10 minutes.

Now let's see, 25 hours of questing means say 50 hours if you double it to include exploration, achievements, harvesting etc. That's across my 8 characters, so 400 hours in total. $20 doesn't seem that unreasonable, does it?

Idk where you're from but $20 will not get you a dozen rounds of golf, maybe 4 rounds. And definitely not a dozen trips to the movies more like 2 trips if you're lucky.

So yea $20 for 25 hours of gameplay that's completely repeatable and full of random things like material gathering is dang fine.

Gidorick

25 but then you have to do it with your alts... so it's more like 200 hours.

Psychobunni

NobleNerd wrote: »

I had to replay that part in the Quackcon presentation to make sure I heard it right. Did he really announce that like people were suppose to be excited or impressed with only 25 hours of game play??!!

Seemed fine to me. I assumed 25 hours was non stop straight through, which will be about 50 or so for me

FelixTheCatt

Anyone that wants to complain about the price , just take a look at games like Dead Or Alive 5. There are literally pages and thats just costumes! Someone thats a completist could break the bank and thats not even content.

Tandor

VoidBlue wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Let's see what other leisure pursuits cost only $20 for a minimum 25 hours of entertainment. A dozen rounds of golf? A dozen trips to the cinema or theatre? I don't think so! I'd love to see some of the critics of this sort of thing turn up at the golf course, cinema or theatre and say "Just let me in already, I don't reckon to pay for my entertainment these days"! That's the state that F2P in the MMO genre has brought us to, some people feel an entitlement to get everything for nothing, and if they do have to pay a modest amount they expect a lifetime's entertainment in return although even then they insist on rushing through it in 10 minutes.

Now let's see, 25 hours of questing means say 50 hours if you double it to include exploration, achievements, harvesting etc. That's across my 8 characters, so 400 hours in total. $20 doesn't seem that unreasonable, does it?

Idk where you're from but $20 will not get you a dozen rounds of golf, maybe 4 rounds. And definitely not a dozen trips to the movies more like 2 trips if you're lucky.

Do you think that's possibly why I posed it as a question and then said "I don't think so!" ?

SinisterAgonian

Those people will never nerver be happy,whine more they dont care really just dont buy it end.

VoidBlue

Tandor wrote: »

VoidBlue wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Let's see what other leisure pursuits cost only $20 for a minimum 25 hours of entertainment. A dozen rounds of golf? A dozen trips to the cinema or theatre? I don't think so! I'd love to see some of the critics of this sort of thing turn up at the golf course, cinema or theatre and say "Just let me in already, I don't reckon to pay for my entertainment these days"! That's the state that F2P in the MMO genre has brought us to, some people feel an entitlement to get everything for nothing, and if they do have to pay a modest amount they expect a lifetime's entertainment in return although even then they insist on rushing through it in 10 minutes.

Now let's see, 25 hours of questing means say 50 hours if you double it to include exploration, achievements, harvesting etc. That's across my 8 characters, so 400 hours in total. $20 doesn't seem that unreasonable, does it?

Idk where you're from but $20 will not get you a dozen rounds of golf, maybe 4 rounds. And definitely not a dozen trips to the movies more like 2 trips if you're lucky.

Do you think that's possibly why I posed it as a question and then said "I don't think so!" ?

i was giving context to those young ones or weirdos who dont know how much golf or a movie cost :P

Soulshine

DDuke wrote: »

If this content comes with a new 12-man (or even 24-man) Trial/Raid with long progression curve & good repetition value, no problem.

If it's just 25 hours of solo questing (2-3 days) & done, wait 3 months for next DLC... there's going to be a problem.

I would like to see them add an actual true raid to the game and leave the concept of trials in the past since it is just too simple a system to sustain real progression raiding for those of us interested in it.

I doubt they will bother to do this though, since there has been little demostrated interest whatseover on the part of the dev team to improve the challenge level and quality of group content in any way, despite all statements to the contrary, and even less interest on the part of the player base to care about it anyway. Most clamoring now for "where is the PvE?" are not interested in raids. They could care less.

As is, the truth is pretty sad. The implemented systems in the dungeonsof this game just repeat over and over the same old mechanics, slapped with some slight cosmetic changes. Vet CoA was a definite example of wait a long time for same old, same old. Nearly every dungeon is the same: fire AoE ad nauseum, archer cones which can be easily stepped out of, roll doge or block the rest, and mostly... since soft caps removal and CPs especially, you can now just lamblast everything via heavy DPS and by pass what little mechanics are even there in the first place. Trials and SO fall into that tired pattern as well and did not present anything new, other than more HPs to deal with. Truly boring. These types of instance are not raids, they are just different kinds of time sinks for people who want to play in a group.

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Endurance

you fail to realize how long it takes for them to create 25 hours of gameplay, just so that most of these crybabies could skip the content for more pvp and complain later

NobleNerd

Enodoc wrote: »

It's supposed to have about the same amount of content as a standard levelling zone, so somewhere like Glenumbra, Shadowfen or Greenshade. For time comparison, the 1-50 levelling experience is supposed to be "100 hours of content", so that to me sounds like there'll be a bit more to Wrothgar than a standard zone (which would come out at 20 hours).

$25.00 for the equivalent of 1 standard zone worth of content is not a great value. We spent more than that for the whole game with 10 times the zone/content. Not a good comparison there.

Soulshine

Endurance wrote: »

you fail to realize how long it takes for them to create 25 hours of gameplay, just so that most of these crybabies could skip the content for more pvp and complain later

If you are under the impression that it would take them over two years to create and introduce one zone of strictly overland PvE questing that amounts to 25hours of gameplay, I'd say you are pretty far off the mark.

Because that is how long we are talking about. 2 years and counting since everything currently in the game was seen during beta. The quests and zones for all three factions were included, and evev Craglorn was created prior to the game even launching. We were promised IC over one year ago. Miracle now we are actually getting it....

People can blame console development for these delays until the cows come home. My view is that had nothing whatseover to do with it. What did was a marketing plan to sustain the game's revenue stream. Now Firor is once again touting the "quarterly update" horn.... heard it before. Not hold my breath.

Ysne58

Soulshine wrote: »

Endurance wrote: »

you fail to realize how long it takes for them to create 25 hours of gameplay, just so that most of these crybabies could skip the content for more pvp and complain later

If you are under the impression that it would take them over two years to create and introduce one zone of strictly overland PvE questing that amounts to 25hours of gameplay, I'd say you are pretty far off the mark.

. Not hold my breath.

Well, in all fairness, it isn't the only thing they've been working on.

Ethona

If the content is built right, and with a high replay value, than 25 hours of content for 20 dollars is right on the edge for me, but I can deal with it. My original post was base on very little info, and also without the right prices for crowns. However, this doesn't mean ZOS is out of the water with this in my opinion, because we realy don't know what the price is yet. I do believe, my opinion of course, that 20 dollars is too much for such a small DLC, that being Imperial City. It's a tiny zone, mostly PvP, and the only PvE are two dungeons (base on the Quakecon Presentation and my understanding there of).

NobleNerd

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

You can't really label an area with a set number of hours. What is said to be 25 hours for one could be anywhere from 1 to over 9,000 for another. If going at it full force in a speed run type of way is 25 hours then that's a hefty amount of gameplay time in general!

This is completely my point. So much of the presentation was a bunch of poorly chosen words, lack luster execution and very dull. There was not a time in the audience where they had an overwhelming roar of excitement (except for maybe when Dark Brotherhood received an honorable mention). I, myself watching it was underwhelmed.

I am glad they are saying there will be regular content in a timely manner. Heck, I might even start subbing again, because it will be most cost effective than individually buying the DLCs, but ZOS has not proven to be reliable in their ability to release anything on time yet. We will see.