AMadAussie wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Im going to make breakfast so yah later shitcunts pl0x report me

Are you going to cook it with flaming oil? Cause that's about all it's good for now.

But but the damage is so nerfed that he will not eat for years...

But if he sided with us then he would have his breakfast cooked fast

AMadAussie wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Im going to make breakfast so yah later shitcunts pl0x report me

Are you going to cook it with flaming oil? Cause that's about all it's good for now.

............

Should be buffed, a lot of groups (including groups I am with) now just go front door, something which was unthinkable before IC, oil is like a warm shower, I am in 7 light armour and I can take a ballista bolt to the face and just laugh..
As already pointed out by many people in this thread, there are Red Circles, if you are stupid enough to stand in them then you deserve to get hurt.

Yes, go back to the way it was before, anti personnel siege used to work quite well. If you don't want to get tower farmed just don't go in.

I never run purge now because I can just Rally through the damage. It does not now not will it ever matter what you do against a highly organized group. They are going to kill you, if you remove the AOE caps, increase the siege damage, whatever. An army with a numerical advantage is going to have a better chance of winning all other things equal.

One thing I'd like to see is put in collision like their is with NPCs so you can't just stack 24 people on top of each other. Still allow for dodge rolling through but I never like in any game players just being ghosts. You have a much more difficult time stacking a raid in a tiny cubby hole and hide if the game mechanics just didn't allow it.

eliisra wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

You need to understand that the "casuals" in this game complain about everything so while yes most people in this thread want more siege damage despite how ignorant that is the casuals will complain and it will eventually get nerfed

YES I want skillfull gameplay but I hate to break it to you the casuals do not

the reason PvE has been nerfed into the ground so *** hard is because casuals complain about how it is so hard for them

the same will happen if they increase siege damage

I personally do not think this will help anything and will make TTK even shorter which is a bad thing

But it's the casuals that want siege buffed lol. No-life PvP'ers hate siege v.s. siege fights.

It's the casual that cant compete unless they run with a massive pug zerg and place siege from every angle of the map, to tryhard some stacked group, they already outnumber greatly. It's the casual that wants to stand max range and oneshot people with a cool toy, without having to use actual skills.

Also, if you play to break up one sided campaigns, dominated by one faction, you really dont want siege buffed to infinity. It's painful enough to fight these megablobs as in 2-3 raids clumped up to protect their private PvE paradise. Having to deal with their endless amount of siege- and revive monkeys, makes it even harder. Why I dont mind siege hitting for less again.

The more players you have the more siege you can place, the more healers and Purge bots you can place to protect the siege monkey line. As the underdog, in terms of numbers, you usually cant spare more than one guy placing at most a meatbag.

Please read the posts. This ain't about 1 shot kills. This is about the players that have no input to the game except for run and attack. The regular PvP players know when to purge/can purge/heal. The inexperienced don't. If you heal yourself standing in a red circle and you heal that inexperienced player, he has no idea what the circle means or what it's for. To be good at this game all you need to do is have a weapon and join a zerg. Making siege hit slightly higher so healing won't fully heal the player standing in the red circle will make him play. He has to move, do something to survive. The defenders inside the walls have a small chance at defending then.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

Panth141 wrote: »

*sigh*
This went downhill.

On topic, I've literally just watched 5 people on a ram (though with a siege shield) have two pots of oil poured right on them - they maybe lost 5% of their health before you could see three of them simultaneously purge. Flaming oil is now ineffective and useless for most defences.

Also, mod arrival in 3, 2, 1...

But teh ram is as effective as the oil lol. That's like throwing a wet sponge at the door to go with the fairy liquid...

Omg I'm saving this! This is the true pic of Cyrodiil siege as it stands.

eliisra wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

You need to understand that the "casuals" in this game complain about everything so while yes most people in this thread want more siege damage despite how ignorant that is the casuals will complain and it will eventually get nerfed

YES I want skillfull gameplay but I hate to break it to you the casuals do not

the reason PvE has been nerfed into the ground so *** hard is because casuals complain about how it is so hard for them

the same will happen if they increase siege damage

I personally do not think this will help anything and will make TTK even shorter which is a bad thing

But it's the casuals that want siege buffed lol. No-life PvP'ers hate siege v.s. siege fights.

It's the casual that cant compete unless they run with a massive pug zerg and place siege from every angle of the map, to tryhard some stacked group, they already outnumber greatly. It's the casual that wants to stand max range and oneshot people with a cool toy, without having to use actual skills.

Also, if you play to break up one sided campaigns, dominated by one faction, you really dont want siege buffed to infinity. It's painful enough to fight these megablobs as in 2-3 raids clumped up to protect their private PvE paradise. Having to deal with their endless amount of siege- and revive monkeys, makes it even harder. Why I dont mind siege hitting for less again.

The more players you have the more siege you can place, the more healers and Purge bots you can place to protect the siege monkey line. As the underdog, in terms of numbers, you usually cant spare more than one guy placing at most a meatbag.

Ummmm... I wouldn't consider myself a casual. I don't join groups/zergs anymore, I roll solo in attempts to 1vX players. I don't post any montages/successful PvP videos because I don't feel the need to try and show off what anybody can do on this game, but one for thing's for sure, I can & have defeated a group of players by myself, no siege weapon included. If a zerg rolls by, what can I do to them? absolutely nothing but die or hide.

If siege weapons were buffed again? I could at least fire a ballista at them and then lure them to my location, while the damage they've taken from my successful(?) hit would have wounded them enough for me to attempt to kill them.

I don't play on a one sided dominated campaign, ours (on ps4) is pretty equal, as it's the most active campaign but EP are quite the underdogs at times, even though we have lots of zergers.

Think of the fights where Siege Weapons are actually useful.

On bridge fights when you put up a few oil pots, that's usually a great way to not let the zergs past. What do the smart players/groups do to combat the oil line? they go under/around the bridge and flank.

The more players you have the more siege you can place, the more healers and Purge bots you can place to protect the siege monkey line.

In what scenario? at a keep's wall? the defenders have the upper hand by using height to their advantage, even inside the main keep where you can place siege up there to aim at a sieged wall for example.

nice results i'm seeing

This thread is hilarious. Anyone who thinks siege weapons are "working as intended" does not PvP in Cyrodiil very much.

This is just math; tweak the input/output:

Buff all siege weapon damage
Buff siege weapon damage for defending siege > offensive siege so smaller groups that defend have a chance at winning
Buff siege weapon damage for certain weapon types > other weapon types, like a rock/paper/scissors (ie. Meatbags > people, Rock Treb > walls, Ballistae > siege weapons, etc.)
Buff oil to pre-IC numbers
Tweak Rams

Oh yea, remove AOE caps. Period.

Dynamic Ultimate gain? Yes, tweak it and make it work.

Because being hit by a trebuchet stone would hurt?

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I do not even need a reason why, because if you PvP, you'll know exactly why.

Siege weapon damage does barely do any damage to players now after the Imperial City update and changes to Battle Spirit. This includes players in small groups or alone, and especially with the AOE Cap granting 75% less damage taken to groups containing 6+ players, there's absolutely nothing you can do to them/or a zerg anymore. Sorry @ZOS, but not everybody wants to join zerg-balls!

YES Please. Makes NO Sense for Ballista or any Siege Weapon not to Hurt 2x or 4x Legged Beings. Siege equipment is too weak in Mmo's in general. Zenimax pls do the Logical move and Buff them Up.

Kind regards: Long time Subber & Huge Fan of Tamriel since Morrowind launched.

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Noted, and Siege is going through testing again internally with new sets, champ points, etc.

Excellent, good to know.

Agreed. Thank you!

kuscoe wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Buff it?? Why if you dont purge oils you will die... if you dont purge fire siege you will die this is what makes tower farms so insanely lucrative at times

OR you can avoid siege. OR people can stop being stupid and camp a resource while people are camping inside. In short, OR people can learn how to play.

Did you just L2P me? LOL

Why avoid it when I can purge it?

Why am I stupid for trying to take down a tower farm? afaik thats where the AP is and typically there is no lag because you dont tower farm with 24+ people -______-

You tried to mock me with your "ors" but it was just bad and hard to read

Exactly the point. You just said it yourself... Why avoid it when I can purge it? (why play when I have a 1 hit fix?) So zerg just stand around with their 1 hit fix and ignore siege weapons. While you're spamming purge the guy next to you is doing what? What great input does he have to the fight besides being a number? All he has to do is turn up.

Ok

Um

its been said before in this thread

this is not elder siege online

player vs player

any player will die to siege in 2-3 seconds if they do not counteract it there is no need to buff it

also apart from like disease siege or whatever do you really think the devs intended us to shoot fire ballistas at each other and have fun?

I play my character in pvp not some simple ass siege weapon

ROFL. I have sat though a full oil and didnt die. Ballista hits for like 5-8k...

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Noted, and Siege is going through testing again internally with new sets, champ points, etc.

How about adding more skills and passives to the Alliance War skill line? Right now we have Assault, Support, and Emperor. How about adding something like Siege (maybe unlocking new siege weapons, boosting damage or defense with/of siege weapons, specialization in particular siege weapons which could mean reloading faster or hitting from further away, etc.)?