PvP Podcast (Episode 7 Uploaded)

Angarato · October 2015

gotta agree with everyone here. Fengrush nailed it.
ZENIMAX PLEASE LISTEN! do something about your cyrodill destroying ball zergs

Jules · October 2015

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Efficient wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

If you want to run around in a ball group and call it skill, that's fine, I don't care. Just continue to believe that when they remove AOE caps, and we wont have a problem.

Thanks

Honey don't you know that relationships without any problems won't last?
You're right; guilds like Decibel, Haxus, VE, Rage, KH, etc that run "ball" groups are unskilled and would be annihilated when AOE caps are removed. LOL

Nope. This would if anything help guilds like this against the neverending blobby 60+ guilds.

Jules · October 2015

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

OK next panel discussion needs a PSA announcement about the protein benefits of yogurt by publius.

I agree with tinyARMSitas! But also remember the benefits of the probiotics!

I can see it now! The show breaks for commercial and FEGNRUSH plays a young Hercules, Krotha is Zeus on his throne, Jules as Athena, Aetcherries as Hera, Erlexx as Hades, Aenlir as Mercury (because all the sissy does is run and self-heal more than fight in the pocket), Skaffa as Hades' pet snapping turtle Morris, Ezareth as Hercules' human friend Jim, and Methuselah as Methuselah.

Young Hercules on Olympus has anxiety about going down to the world to help the mortals against evil. His father says do not worry my son and he opens his hand and a bright pure white light shoots of his palm. When the light subsides, a bowl of Greek yogurt and a spoon are in his hand. "Go forth my son".

Awwwww pubes

I get to be Athena?!!

Publius_Scipio · October 2015

Jules wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

OK next panel discussion needs a PSA announcement about the protein benefits of yogurt by publius.

I agree with tinyARMSitas! But also remember the benefits of the probiotics!

I can see it now! The show breaks for commercial and FEGNRUSH plays a young Hercules, Krotha is Zeus on his throne, Jules as Athena, Aetcherries as Hera, Erlexx as Hades, Aenlir as Mercury (because all the sissy does is run and self-heal more than fight in the pocket), Skaffa as Hades' pet snapping turtle Morris, Ezareth as Hercules' human friend Jim, and Methuselah as Methuselah.

Young Hercules on Olympus has anxiety about going down to the world to help the mortals against evil. His father says do not worry my son and he opens his hand and a bright pure white light shoots of his palm. When the light subsides, a bowl of Greek yogurt and a spoon are in his hand. "Go forth my son".

Awwwww pubes I get to be Athena?!!

Yup. Krotha's daughter.

Darnathian · October 2015

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

It takes thought by the leader of that grp and perfect robot execution of everyone else. WOW what an achievement. It´s like working assembly line. Are people actually enjoying that or does the paycheck (winning/ap) make it bearable?

Your comment makes it pretty clear you´ve never played in a grp environment where every player was a vital part of the grp.

Also ganking is a whole other problem in this game that has nothing to do with small grps and solo play - try not to mix those.

I've played small group, raid size, and 1vX, all I'm saying is that it's more than "stay on crown and spam AOE" all the time. Clearly your mind is made up on the matter so I won't bother trying to reason with you.

PS what good is small man and solo play if you're not ganking or PvDoor?

The thing that I don't get is look at the map. It has all these things called keeps. You cannot take one with 4 people. So i understand what you 4 are saying but maybe wrong game for you?

For the record I am for AOE cap removal. I am desperate at this point. Lot of time invested like many of you. Don't want the game to die

If it brings back players great.

VincentBlanquin · October 2015

what is most annoying that zenimax looks so clueless what they are doing

i remember i was here complaining that TTK is too low. if i know what i know now, how they will solve it, i will rather cut my fingers, before write something on the forum

i remember i was here complaining about "overpowered" characters that wipe groups. If i know what i know now i will rather let slaughterfishes feed on my fingers than write anything on the forum

and the list can go and on and on and on

its atomic hazard write suggestions on the forum, things probably only get worse next patch

after orsinium launched and farmers move there, we will be lucky there will be one full pvp campaign on PC European megaserver. I am sure its nowhere near what zenimax expected (and more open pvp competition is on the road) and its obvious that things are wrong on your side ZOS. act better quickly ......

Jules · October 2015

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Yup. Krotha's daughter.

Oh.....

_Chaos · October 2015

Jules wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Efficient wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

If you want to run around in a ball group and call it skill, that's fine, I don't care. Just continue to believe that when they remove AOE caps, and we wont have a problem.

Thanks

Honey don't you know that relationships without any problems won't last?
You're right; guilds like Decibel, Haxus, VE, Rage, KH, etc that run "ball" groups are unskilled and would be annihilated when AOE caps are removed. LOL

Nope. This would if anything help guilds like this against the neverending blobby 60+ guilds.

Please tell me you knew that I was being sarcastic

I thought you were more than just another pritty face Jules

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · October 2015

Derra wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

It takes thought by the leader of that grp and perfect robot execution of everyone else. WOW what an achievement. It´s like working assembly line. Are people actually enjoying that or does the paycheck (winning/ap) make it bearable?

Your comment makes it pretty clear you´ve never played in a grp environment where every player was a vital part of the grp.

Also ganking is a whole other problem in this game that has nothing to do with small grps and solo play - try not to mix those.

It depends a lot on the type of fights the group seeks. I would say almost every player in a large group is important for the dynamic of the group you can carry people yes but not if you want to be successful. This is especially true when fighting other large groups.

I've lead and played in 24+ and 8+ groups (as well as less) both are effectively the same. Usually in 8+ groups players look to outclass the enemies they fight and thus kill multiple pugs with small amounts of players thats fine but most players in these small groups are scared of fighting real enemies. I really enjoy 8v8 or 12v12 gvg but it hardly ever happens compared to 24 v24 gvg which people actually organise. As the guy above said. The place of a 24m is fighting for "the campaign" and against other groups of that size. The problem is that you get zone pug style groups who stack 50 players and don't care about actual PVP. Don't confuse the 2 styles.

Yes 24m players may not be at an elite level in comparison but with a good leader they can still have just as much have coordination and be an actual challenge to kill. As a leader, tactics of how to use your group and knowing your weaknesses and strengths is a lot of fun no matter the size and ESO was billed for its "Large scale pvp". The complaints of those who ask such groups for help when they want something like emp don't go unnoticed.

I get the frustration with lag and that groups are blamed for this but if eso wasn't laggy are you sure people would stop complaining? I remember the good days of 1.2 and that definitely wasn't the case. Players may think they are better than others that's fine but don't degrade someone's playstyle if it's what they enjoy to play. Does it really matter if you can kill them anyway?

It's another point why zos should implement better support for all playstyles.
Also the reason why players who get caught away from their group die so easily is because group builds rely on the other members of the group to be effective.. In small groups it's different because you can't rely on your team for help that's why some players prefer one or the other and why I enjoy both.

Fissh · October 2015

As much as I appreciate this, I sure do wish pve had some key players that cared this much. Large scale PVE is a thing of the past and ZoS thinks another quarter even after Orsinium of no new large scale PVE is ok. Anyways, not meant to derail, just that a pve group with a passion these guys have would be great. Maybe they have simply left the game....

VincentBlanquin · October 2015

just to say. pug zergs barely can create any lag. they are unorganized, half group maybe more is not even max level. nobody spam anything because they have no resource to do, unless when they actually fight another group. But when they face strong group they drop like flies so no lag too.

Only guild groups on TS create lags, intentionally or unintentionally

Legedric · October 2015

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

just to say. pug zergs barely can create any lag. they are unorganized, half group maybe more is not even max level. nobody spam anything because they have no resource to do, unless when they actually fight another group. But when they face strong group they drop like flies so no lag too.

Only guild groups on TS create lags, intentionally or unintentionally

I disagree!

Pug zergs of course can cause lags just as organized groups do due to launching their meteors, novas etc. all at one time like a freaking chicken herd on engagement.

I think you must have never been to Cyrodiil when you say this... most of the groups I encounter lag with are pug-trains firing everything at hand just as they please...

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · October 2015

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

just to say. pug zergs barely can create any lag. they are unorganized, half group maybe more is not even max level. nobody spam anything because they have no resource to do, unless when they actually fight another group. But when they face strong group they drop like flies so no lag too.

Only guild groups on TS create lags, intentionally or unintentionally

Idk if you are on NA but on EU pug groups are generally created by a guild to support their main guild run. The trouble with such types of run is that they don't split at all so all 50+ go for 1 keep at a time.

Also on EU azura lags even when there are no groups.
Most guilds don't create lag.

Manoekin · October 2015

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

just to say. pug zergs barely can create any lag. they are unorganized, half group maybe more is not even max level. nobody spam anything because they have no resource to do, unless when they actually fight another group. But when they face strong group they drop like flies so no lag too.

Only guild groups on TS create lags, intentionally or unintentionally

Idk if you are on NA but on EU pug groups are generally created by a guild to support their main guild run. The trouble with such types of run is that they don't split at all so all 50+ go for 1 keep at a time.

Also on EU azura lags even when there are no groups.
Most guilds don't create lag.

I think if that happened on NA the guild would be ostracized from the pvp community pretty much. NA equivalent would be guilds that invite freely and train up new players, so they just have the numbers to make multiple groups.

Etaniel · October 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

just to say. pug zergs barely can create any lag. they are unorganized, half group maybe more is not even max level. nobody spam anything because they have no resource to do, unless when they actually fight another group. But when they face strong group they drop like flies so no lag too.

Only guild groups on TS create lags, intentionally or unintentionally

Idk if you are on NA but on EU pug groups are generally created by a guild to support their main guild run. The trouble with such types of run is that they don't split at all so all 50+ go for 1 keep at a time.

Also on EU azura lags even when there are no groups.
Most guilds don't create lag.

I think if that happened on NA the guild would be ostracized from the pvp community pretty much. NA equivalent would be guilds that invite freely and train up new players, so they just have the numbers to make multiple groups.

Well EP players in EU are so desperate to run in 80 man groups that they don't mind serving as cannon fodder for organized (rofl) guilds

(said EP just for the laughs, its probably true for all factions)

VincentBlanquin · October 2015

well, i can somehow understand, but from my standpoint. I am ebonheart pact and most pugs groups i play was not supporting guilds group or never spamming to create lag intentionally. really

Jaronking · October 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

It takes thought by the leader of that grp and perfect robot execution of everyone else. WOW what an achievement. It´s like working assembly line. Are people actually enjoying that or does the paycheck (winning/ap) make it bearable?

Your comment makes it pretty clear you´ve never played in a grp environment where every player was a vital part of the grp.

Also ganking is a whole other problem in this game that has nothing to do with small grps and solo play - try not to mix those.

I've played small group, raid size, and 1vX, all I'm saying is that it's more than "stay on crown and spam AOE" all the time. Clearly your mind is made up on the matter so I won't bother trying to reason with you.

PS what good is small man and solo play if you're not ganking or PvDoor?

The thing that I don't get is look at the map. It has all these things called keeps. You cannot take one with 4 people. So i understand what you 4 are saying but maybe wrong game for you?

For the record I am for AOE cap removal. I am desperate at this point. Lot of time invested like many of you. Don't want the game to die

If it brings back players great.

That's completely not true you can take a Keep with 3 people I done it before with a 4 its a cake walk.

Etaniel · October 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

It takes thought by the leader of that grp and perfect robot execution of everyone else. WOW what an achievement. It´s like working assembly line. Are people actually enjoying that or does the paycheck (winning/ap) make it bearable?

Your comment makes it pretty clear you´ve never played in a grp environment where every player was a vital part of the grp.

Also ganking is a whole other problem in this game that has nothing to do with small grps and solo play - try not to mix those.

I've played small group, raid size, and 1vX, all I'm saying is that it's more than "stay on crown and spam AOE" all the time. Clearly your mind is made up on the matter so I won't bother trying to reason with you.

PS what good is small man and solo play if you're not ganking or PvDoor?

The thing that I don't get is look at the map. It has all these things called keeps. You cannot take one with 4 people. So i understand what you 4 are saying but maybe wrong game for you?

For the record I am for AOE cap removal. I am desperate at this point. Lot of time invested like many of you. Don't want the game to die

If it brings back players great.

you can take keeps solo actually. It's not a feat

Manoekin · October 2015

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

well, i can somehow understand, but from my standpoint. I am ebonheart pact and most pugs groups i play was not supporting guilds group or never spamming to create lag intentionally. really

That's probably your experience. I don't know that it's done intentionally anymore so much. I think right now it's just a numbers game.

Maulkin · October 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

you can take keeps solo actually. It's not a feat

You normally have to stay up really late for that though. That's a feat on its own

_Chaos · October 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

It takes thought by the leader of that grp and perfect robot execution of everyone else. WOW what an achievement. It´s like working assembly line. Are people actually enjoying that or does the paycheck (winning/ap) make it bearable?

Your comment makes it pretty clear you´ve never played in a grp environment where every player was a vital part of the grp.

Also ganking is a whole other problem in this game that has nothing to do with small grps and solo play - try not to mix those.

I've played small group, raid size, and 1vX, all I'm saying is that it's more than "stay on crown and spam AOE" all the time. Clearly your mind is made up on the matter so I won't bother trying to reason with you.

PS what good is small man and solo play if you're not ganking or PvDoor?

The thing that I don't get is look at the map. It has all these things called keeps. You cannot take one with 4 people. So i understand what you 4 are saying but maybe wrong game for you?

For the record I am for AOE cap removal. I am desperate at this point. Lot of time invested like many of you. Don't want the game to die

If it brings back players great.

you can take keeps solo actually. It's not a feat

No.
You can PVE a keep when it's not defended. That's not PVPing and never will be.

Etaniel · October 2015

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

It takes thought by the leader of that grp and perfect robot execution of everyone else. WOW what an achievement. It´s like working assembly line. Are people actually enjoying that or does the paycheck (winning/ap) make it bearable?

Your comment makes it pretty clear you´ve never played in a grp environment where every player was a vital part of the grp.

Also ganking is a whole other problem in this game that has nothing to do with small grps and solo play - try not to mix those.

I've played small group, raid size, and 1vX, all I'm saying is that it's more than "stay on crown and spam AOE" all the time. Clearly your mind is made up on the matter so I won't bother trying to reason with you.

PS what good is small man and solo play if you're not ganking or PvDoor?

The thing that I don't get is look at the map. It has all these things called keeps. You cannot take one with 4 people. So i understand what you 4 are saying but maybe wrong game for you?

For the record I am for AOE cap removal. I am desperate at this point. Lot of time invested like many of you. Don't want the game to die

If it brings back players great.

you can take keeps solo actually. It's not a feat

No.
You can PVE a keep when it's not defended. That's not PVPing and never will be.

@spenc_cathb16_ESO
Where did I say it was PvP? I just said it's possible, it's been done, it can be done again, it's just incredibly boring.
My point is that the keeps are not a reason to make large groups, the players defending them are.

_Chaos · October 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

It takes thought by the leader of that grp and perfect robot execution of everyone else. WOW what an achievement. It´s like working assembly line. Are people actually enjoying that or does the paycheck (winning/ap) make it bearable?

Your comment makes it pretty clear you´ve never played in a grp environment where every player was a vital part of the grp.

Also ganking is a whole other problem in this game that has nothing to do with small grps and solo play - try not to mix those.

I've played small group, raid size, and 1vX, all I'm saying is that it's more than "stay on crown and spam AOE" all the time. Clearly your mind is made up on the matter so I won't bother trying to reason with you.

PS what good is small man and solo play if you're not ganking or PvDoor?

The thing that I don't get is look at the map. It has all these things called keeps. You cannot take one with 4 people. So i understand what you 4 are saying but maybe wrong game for you?

For the record I am for AOE cap removal. I am desperate at this point. Lot of time invested like many of you. Don't want the game to die

If it brings back players great.

you can take keeps solo actually. It's not a feat

No.
You can PVE a keep when it's not defended. That's not PVPing and never will be.

@spenc_cathb16_ESO
Where did I say it was PvP? I just said it's possible, it's been done, it can be done again, it's just incredibly boring.
My point is that the keeps are not a reason to make large groups, the players defending them are.

Ah true, I just don't like you, so naturally I picked away at anything I could from your response.
Do you really think ZOS expected people to sit around for 10 minutes sieging undefended keeps with small groups?
Let's get real here, keeps are a damn good reason to have a raid.

Etaniel · October 2015

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

It takes thought by the leader of that grp and perfect robot execution of everyone else. WOW what an achievement. It´s like working assembly line. Are people actually enjoying that or does the paycheck (winning/ap) make it bearable?

Your comment makes it pretty clear you´ve never played in a grp environment where every player was a vital part of the grp.

Also ganking is a whole other problem in this game that has nothing to do with small grps and solo play - try not to mix those.

I've played small group, raid size, and 1vX, all I'm saying is that it's more than "stay on crown and spam AOE" all the time. Clearly your mind is made up on the matter so I won't bother trying to reason with you.

PS what good is small man and solo play if you're not ganking or PvDoor?

The thing that I don't get is look at the map. It has all these things called keeps. You cannot take one with 4 people. So i understand what you 4 are saying but maybe wrong game for you?

For the record I am for AOE cap removal. I am desperate at this point. Lot of time invested like many of you. Don't want the game to die

If it brings back players great.

you can take keeps solo actually. It's not a feat

No.
You can PVE a keep when it's not defended. That's not PVPing and never will be.

@spenc_cathb16_ESO
Where did I say it was PvP? I just said it's possible, it's been done, it can be done again, it's just incredibly boring.
My point is that the keeps are not a reason to make large groups, the players defending them are.

Ah true, I just don't like you

Wow thanks

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Do you really think ZOS expected people to sit around for 10 minutes sieging undefended keeps with small groups?
Let's get real here, keeps are a damn good reason to have a raid.

I don't care what ZOS was thinking, I just said pointed it out because Darnathian thought it was a valid point that since keeps couldn't be taken by 4 people, ESO wasn't a game for small scale.

7 people in a grp can handle the maximum number of siege weapons, those same 7 people if strong enough can deal with 20 random pugs defending that keep.

A keep is not a valid reason to have a raid. A raid has a purpose if the opposing force requires you to have a raid. Otherwise it has no purpose other than the fact you think it's fun.

Anazasi · October 2015

I read a few comments regarding my first post and thought I should load my pee shooter and fire a few shots back.

First off, what company would listen to just one side of an obviously multi-sided endeavor. It makes no since to have a panel that only represent what obviously is a small majority. If you want to actually be listened to perhaps you should open the panel up to more then just the 1 v X solo type players.

Now lets look at the panel's arguments. What is the motivation for the solutions they have offered? Will the proposed changes benefit the game as a whole or simply their play style? What is the financial motivation, if any, for the changes suggested.

As is see it we have 4 solo type players that twitch their feats of greatness for their own revenue gains. It's no secret that this is the case.

When someone, anyone, comes forward and pulls players together for the purpose of critiquing a game the least they could do is provide a balanced perspective that encompasses the overall state of the player base. If you do not do this then you create bias perspectives that destroy your efforts.

Now, I happen to agree with all of them and actually find what they are saying to be creditable. But if you want to sell this you need a broader support group that carries more weight then just the minority you represent.

Still good job on this like I said before this has been needed for a long time.

Dreyloch · October 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Just a observation but wouldn't "We are small man ESO" be more fitting of the podcast title instead?

If you enjoy the current meta of ball groups then yes, this would be a fitting title for you to label it as.

Everyone has a role. You play your role and the ball groups play theirs. To title a podcast with nothing but duelers and small man PvP'ers and call it "WE ARE ESO" just doesn't seem to properly reflect the title due to y'all (small man PvP'ers) only being a portion of what this game is (RP'ers, PvE'ers, Whateverelse'ers).

Ball groups play their role when they siege/defend keeps or attack/defend scroll temples. They serve no purpose other than being *** when they roam the sewers with 20 men, or any other place really.

GvG open field combat is some of the best combat I've ever been a part of. Ball groups require a lot more coordination and skill than most of the keyboard warriors and small man groups think, and it's too bad that many can't appreciate the thought and effort that goes into strategic play like that.

Cyrodiil is like a giant chess game when multiple "ball" groups are playing the map, and that's how I personally pictured ESO PVP from the beginning. Sure people can gank and run around for days looking for enemies to pick off, but just look at the objectives and map size and it should be crystal clear what the intentions of PVP in this game was to be.

It takes thought by the leader of that grp and perfect robot execution of everyone else. WOW what an achievement. It´s like working assembly line. Are people actually enjoying that or does the paycheck (winning/ap) make it bearable?

Your comment makes it pretty clear you´ve never played in a grp environment where every player was a vital part of the grp.

Also ganking is a whole other problem in this game that has nothing to do with small grps and solo play - try not to mix those.

I've played small group, raid size, and 1vX, all I'm saying is that it's more than "stay on crown and spam AOE" all the time. Clearly your mind is made up on the matter so I won't bother trying to reason with you.

PS what good is small man and solo play if you're not ganking or PvDoor?

The thing that I don't get is look at the map. It has all these things called keeps. You cannot take one with 4 people. So i understand what you 4 are saying but maybe wrong game for you?

For the record I am for AOE cap removal. I am desperate at this point. Lot of time invested like many of you. Don't want the game to die

If it brings back players great.

you can take keeps solo actually. It's not a feat

No.
You can PVE a keep when it's not defended. That's not PVPing and never will be.

@spenc_cathb16_ESO
Where did I say it was PvP? I just said it's possible, it's been done, it can be done again, it's just incredibly boring.
My point is that the keeps are not a reason to make large groups, the players defending them are.

I'll agree the players are, but the AI and level of the NPC's should prevent any group under...let's say 10ppl from waltzing in and taking it over. Something ZoS also needs to fix. It should be an epic battle in and of itself even with no human defenders imo =/
Then again, I've heard all that cry in the past about Keep guards being too tough. I think they just aren't programmed well, or perhaps broken. I mean, your in there with a large group going at the front door with a ram, and the NPC's in the corner towers just sit there! ROFL, yeah, nice defense NPC's!

If you have less than 8 ppl, you should only be able to take over resources. It's just my opinion, but those NPC's should be much much tougher everywhere in Cyrodiil. Now your "zergs" and ball-groups have more to deal with around Keeps at least. Which means added damage for the smaller groups trying to defend, adding to their DPS.

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Anazasi wrote: »

I read a few comments regarding my first post and thought I should load my pee shooter and fire a few shots back.

First off, what company would listen to just one side of an obviously multi-sided endeavor. It makes no since to have a panel that only represent what obviously is a small majority. If you want to actually be listened to perhaps you should open the panel up to more then just the 1 v X solo type players.

Now lets look at the panel's arguments. What is the motivation for the solutions they have offered? Will the proposed changes benefit the game as a whole or simply their play style? What is the financial motivation, if any, for the changes suggested.

As is see it we have 4 solo type players that twitch their feats of greatness for their own revenue gains. It's no secret that this is the case.

When someone, anyone, comes forward and pulls players together for the purpose of critiquing a game the least they could do is provide a balanced perspective that encompasses the overall state of the player base. If you do not do this then you create bias perspectives that destroy your efforts.

Now, I happen to agree with all of them and actually find what they are saying to be creditable. But if you want to sell this you need a broader support group that carries more weight then just the minority you represent.

Still good job on this like I said before this has been needed for a long time.

People on twitch benefit by having a healthy game with players in it. Thats the primary concern here on a lot of issues discussed (arenas). A lot of people dont like Cyro because of the blobby lag that occurs - they simply leave the game or avoid it. Theyre not here posting because they didnt care enough to. They simply werent enjoying it.

_Chaos · October 2015

@Dreyloch agreed with everything you said!

@Etaniel god forbid having fun with guild mates is frowned upon in a video-game. how rich. ESO is most definitely tuned towards large scale PVP and you're only kidding yourself if you think otherwise, the evidence is clear. I've been crying for arenas for ages in ESO but I doubt we will see that any time soon.

Etaniel · October 2015

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

@Dreyloch agreed with everything you said!

@Etaniel god forbid having fun with guild mates is frowned upon in a video-game. how rich. ESO is most definitely tuned towards large scale PVP and you're only kidding yourself if you think otherwise, the evidence is clear. I've been crying for arenas for ages in ESO but I doubt we will see that any time soon.

Can you read? I literally said the purpose of your raid is to have fun, because raids aren't required to take keeps, where the heck did I say having fun is wrong?

I hate arenas, I hate instanced combat, and Cyrodiil is the perfect place to have small scale combat, it's just not used to it's fullest potential.
If ESO was as tuned towards large scale PvP maybe they wouldn't focus so much on PvE dlcs and maybe their servers would support more than 40 people on screen without giving out terrible performance.

_Chaos · October 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

@Dreyloch agreed with everything you said!

@Etaniel god forbid having fun with guild mates is frowned upon in a video-game. how rich. ESO is most definitely tuned towards large scale PVP and you're only kidding yourself if you think otherwise, the evidence is clear. I've been crying for arenas for ages in ESO but I doubt we will see that any time soon.

Can you read? I literally said the purpose of your raid is to have fun, because raids aren't required to take keeps, where the heck did I say having fun is wrong?

I hate arenas, I hate instanced combat, and Cyrodiil is the perfect place to have small scale combat, it's just not used to it's fullest potential.
If ESO was as tuned towards large scale PvP maybe they wouldn't focus so much on PvE dlcs and maybe their servers would support more than 40 people on screen without giving out terrible performance.

"A keep is not a valid reason to have a raid. A raid has a purpose if the opposing force requires you to have a raid. Otherwise it has no purpose other than the fact you think it's fun."
You (in a nutshell) complain constantly that there's no reason for raids other than the fact that they're fun. My response was "god forbid we have fun in a video game"
I agree Cyrodiil needs more small man objectives. Fighting for town ownership would be hella fun. I don't know how the PVP team gets away with not changing the map/objectives for over a year, and the PVE IC grind with literally zero PVP objectives doesn't count.